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Can Detroit financially sustain another high draft pick?

Face it, this team may be more talented on paper, but somehow... the wins just aren't there. 

This team makes me ill.   Whether its lack of preparation, over game planning(yes over), or just plain sucking as a team... the words escape me.

Detroit had no business losing this game.  the Defense held Buffalo to 14 points... 14!!!!... Wtf? 

8 penalties in the first Quarter? 

How many 3rd down pens?

 

Geez o'petes!   

 

I have now eliminated my plans to attend the Vikings game... further more, I will not be buying another Lions ticket until they have a winning record.

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That question is one I've pondered much recently

Eventually we’re gonna get our cap room wiped out by repeated futility.

Another reason for a rookie salary cap I guess…

by Nate D. on Nov 14, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

Don't you have season ticks?

Good points, my sentiments exactly. Nate, you are so correct these 50mm contracts are killing our cap.

by toledogolf on Nov 14, 2010 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

I will chalk the game up to this....

Injuries

Hill rusty and has a broken arm.

Penalties again, especially on 3rd down, killing any chance for hill.

Horrible play calling on Offense. I do not understand why they tried to force the run up the middle when it has not worked all season or game but they keep going back to it again and again and again.

by Joey-P on Nov 14, 2010 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

Rusty? What ever...

the guy has 5 starts this year… rusty my ass.

by CLF on Nov 14, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He hasn't played.

Much less started, in three weeks.

by Mavyrk on Nov 14, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He was ready physically.

But a rusty Hill is still better than Stanton.

by Mavyrk on Nov 14, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He played like shit.

The whole offense played like shit.

Fuck rusty, weak fucking excuse.

Nice Jab at Stanton too… completes the reasoning. (eyes rolling)

by CLF on Nov 14, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You're so right,

Stanton would’ve beat that team by 30. I mean, he beat them in the Pre-season (Rolls eyes, right back).

If you can't spell practise write, then dont repond!

by FMFDOC8404 on Nov 14, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

who brought stanton in this conversation?

30… I doubt that… 12… I almost guarantee it.

by CLF on Nov 14, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Your guarantee is as good as The Bears first win of the season

Take that however you wanna take it.

If you can't spell practise write, then dont repond!

by FMFDOC8404 on Nov 14, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of the bears

did anyone catch the Walter TD catch. VIDEO
The NFL has no idea how to officiate its own rules.

R.I.P. Captain Hook. You will be missed. George Lee "Sparky" Anderson (1934-2010)

by JCruize on Nov 14, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand he played like shit.

I get that the whole offense played like shit.

But a rusty Hill is still better than Stanton.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

THAT'S where we will ALWAYS disagree.

If I did a shot for everytime I saw Hill wince and clinch his left hand… I would’ve been drunk by halftime.

Another fucking excuse.

Rusty.
His had was broke.
Stanton sucks.
Penalties killed us.
Blah, blah, blah.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

All I'm saying.

Is Hill has shown more poise and excellence in games than Stanton has. Hill is a proven starter.

I’d take a rusty Hill over Stanton any day, hindsight being 20/20 obviously I might give Stanton a shot, but really? If I’m making that call before the game, and Hill doesn’t look like he’s going to be injured (which he wasn’t) again, then I start Hill every time.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellence?

LMAO.

Stanton came into the Giants game and almost won the damn thing… killing the production of Hill before his injury.

Besides that… nobody has anything on Stanton with this current roster.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Stanton

Had an admirable last quarter versus the Giants, but let’s not forget Shaun Hill produced well before he went out in that game, and Stanton was fairly bad in the third quarter.

Stanton can have flashes of brilliance and the ability of scramble, but Hill is far more dependable.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I take that back...

He produces CRAP in the first 3 quarters of the game.

He’s big time in the 4th quarter…lol.

Look it up.

Detroit’s offense is shit in the first 3 quarters of the game with him in there. He’s had ONE game, STL.

Maybe the Lions need to start Stanton for the first 3 quarters… then put hill in the 4th if still behind….lol.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And.

Stanton is better… how?

Oh wait, he hasn’t played in the first three quarters.

I forgot.

Oh, there was that one game he played in the third quarter. Against the Giants. I remember. He was terrible. And then he came back in the 4th.

Yeah, sounds so superior.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Which

Is why I’d rather go with someone who’s proven, than someone who has shown himself to be pretty damn unreliable.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

To the contrary...

Stanton has shown pretty solid #s when playing with THIS ROSTER.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

How?

He’s only had one opportunity to play with this roster for any period of time, for two quarters.

In those two quarters, he didn’t do very much. His one good play came as the result of blown coverage by NYG, he did nothing to make that play other than throw it to CJ in double coverage.

Not to mention he threw an interception with 20 seconds left on the clock on second down, when we were down by 8. Had that connected and been run out of bounds, or had it even gone incomplete, we still would have had a chance to win that game.

All he managed to do was put 7 points up in garbage time, complemented with a field goal that was the entire result of Logan putting us at NYG 40. And then he gave the game away, just like he did versus the Jets.

I get that he’s not AWFUL, but he’s done nothing to show that he deserves a start over Hill, ever.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Blown Coverage????

You need to watch that throw again.

INT with 2 seconds left hit Pettigrew in both hands.

And further more… Burleson’s fumble…

Other that that though… you’re right.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Blown coverage.

Yeah. Rather than Rolle (the guy who capitalized on Pettigrew’s drop) staying over top of CJ, he decided to sweep down low to block for his CB on the interception that wasn’t. If Antrel Rolle doesn’t blow his coverage there, it’s a respectable gain, but it’s not a touchdown by anything but CJ’s hard work.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The pass was perfect... and lower higher or inbetween...

and its not a catch for a TD…

Seriously… do you hear yourself talk?

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The pass was fine.

But the only reason it was a TD was because Rolle blew coverage by assuming it was an interception and dropped low to block for his CB.

If Rolle stays over it, it becomes a second level gain. If it becomes anything more than a second level gain, it’s because CJ makes some amazing things happen, and has nothing to do with Stanton.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade down for a starting CB, draft an LB

Our D played well…Hill and SL need to look more for CJ…If we can get him the ball in the last minute, we should be able to get him the ball all game…

by lionsfan85 on Nov 14, 2010 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

fuck that we need offencive lineman

The Red Wings will come back stronger
RESTORE THE ROAR 2010 Detroit Lions

by GOLDIGGAH on Nov 15, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

For the last time: the rookie salary cap is going to be changed, period.

It’s the only issue that the owners and the Player’s association actually agree on with the upcoming new CBA deal. The owners are obviously tired of paying unproven rookies crazy amounts of money, and the players are sick of seeing rookies come in and make more then the team’s best player from day one, i.e. Sam Bradford making more money then Tom Brady before he ever put on an NFL helmet.

Both sides want to use the money that would be saved from ridiculous rookie contracts to increase veteran pensions and healthcare, which I think is a great idea. There was an article in Sports Illustrated about a month ago that explained all of this.

We don’t need to ever worry about paying ridiculous amounts of money to a high draft pick again. What we should worry about it whether or not there’s gonna be a 2011 NFL season.

by motown313 on Nov 14, 2010 7:25 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I meant retired player pensions

obviously veterans still playing won’t benefit from it until they’ve retired.

by motown313 on Nov 14, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

there will be.. might be another 1 year deal but there will be a 2011 season

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by det32 on Nov 14, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to think so

but the way the owners are talking, they sound very committed to having it their way, BK style. They seem very ready and willing to dig their heels in the dirt and wait for the Players to come to their terms.

NFL owners will receive TV revenue regardless of whether games are played or not, and are billionaires with other major money-making ventures. The players, for the most part, don’t have any income outside of their salary, and for every player sitting on millions in their bank account there are ten who don’t command a high salary and will struggle going a long period of time with no income.

by motown313 on Nov 14, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

the 2nd part is why a deal will be done...

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by det32 on Nov 14, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The league minimum salary

For a player in 2010’s NFL is $325,000.

Any player should be ashamed of themselves if they make that little (by NFL’s standards) and somehow can’t make ends meet for one year.

by Mavyrk on Nov 14, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i wish i made 325000 a year...

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sandvet Sep 2010

by det32 on Nov 14, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

hell i wish i made 25000 a year

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by det32 on Nov 14, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, right?

One year’s salary buys a house, a car, living expenses for the year, and has at least 50k in savings!

by Mavyrk on Nov 14, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

but players in professional sports are notoriously bad with money. Over self-indulgence in all things luxury, poor investments, financially supporting multiple family members not inside your immediate family, and many others are reasons that players will feel the effects of no income.

You also have to consider that this extends all the way down to practice squad players, guys who don’t make anywhere close to $325,000 a year.

by motown313 on Nov 14, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that.

But the players who are notoriously bad with money are usually the ones banking millions.

The third stringers no one knows about bringing in 500k a year are more than likely a little more well off and appreciative of the fact that they’re bringing in so much money without really doing anything.

by Mavyrk on Nov 14, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

A prime example:

Our very own Luther Ellis. He was paid 11.6 million dollars during his last four seasons in the NFL, and claimed bankruptcy a mere five years later.

You can read more here:
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/01/ex-detroit_lions_lineman_luthe.html

You may say “but that was five years after his last paycheck”, but you have to consider that meant he made roughly an average of $3 million a year in his last four playing years alone, almost ten times that $325,000 a year amount.

by motown313 on Nov 14, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay... now lets look at...

the average NFL Career.

Don’t just look at the dollars.

by CLF on Nov 14, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's say.

There’s a rookie making the league minimum and there’s no games next year.

That rookie made in one year what the national average makes in 7 or 8 years.

And I’m supposed to assume that rookie’s going to be hard up for cash if there’s a lockout?

Come on.

by Mavyrk on Nov 14, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Listen...

what don’t you get.

These kids sacrifice their bodies/life for entertainment. They’re not like actors though… if their knee get blown out or neck broken… their career is over… BAM!

Now take that 325,000 and spread it out over the next 3 years of recovery and job placement.

Do you get it yet? You really want to bitch… bitch at Reese Witherspoon for pulling in 5 million or more for a crappy blonde movie.

Just STFU with the comparisons to “national average” stuff… A person can make how ever much he is worth… end of story.

Unless you want to talk about national stuff… then we can talk about the white house employees getting a 9% bump in their pay while unemployment rises and the dollar weakens… that’s right… just print more money barrack… that’ll take care of it..

FACK!!!!!!!!!!

by CLF on Nov 14, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

so you think rookie should be paid as much as they are?? really?

more then 325000 but not more then the best of the best vets

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by det32 on Nov 14, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not opposed to a cap...

But saying its the league minimum is laughable.

Seems like more of a tier system would make sense… depending on draft status.

and it wouldn’t be a cap on salary… it would be a cap on guaranteed money.

by CLF on Nov 14, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh...

And comparing NFL salaries to the “national average”… is ASSNINE!

by CLF on Nov 14, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's a valuable comparison

when you’re discussing how well players should be able to weather a year without pay.

Is $325,000 (which may be more like $225,000 after agents’ fees, taxes, etc) per year enough to live comfortably on for two years if there is a lockout? I don’t see any reason why not. The vast majority of American families live on much less.

Is it enough to retire on comfortably forever if you injure your knee after only one season of pay? no.

Players absolutely deserve a good pension and health benefits plan.

But I don’t think any player who has earned at least the rookie minimum this year has an excuse (other than poor decision-making) for personal financial hardship next year if there’s a lockout, especially since they’ve known since well before the season began that a lockout is a possibility.

Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...

by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Your numbers are WAY off…

Income taxes on 325k…. looking at least 35% to the feds… then what, 10% to the agent.

now what do you have? Oh, and if the kid only lasts a year?

Again, take the salary and spread it out to age 65… then you’ll get my point.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Non-NFL players

Lose jobs all the time and find new ones. Why do you expect a one year player who gets fired can’t find a regular job?

by Adam Keith on Nov 15, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

good point

plus, they were offered three or four years of college education. That should help find a job. Of course, some players choose to take better advantage of the academic opportunities than others who just focus on football.

Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...

by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

this

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sandvet Sep 2010

by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

i could make 200k last a long ass time not till 65 but

one month
get a cheep 2 bedroom apartment for 600 a mouth spelt that with a roommate so – 300
total 300
then food you can live very well off of 250 a month for food +you would not have a job so food stamps would be realistic
total 550
Power can varies for a apartment we will assume it is on the higher end at 50 a month spelt that 2 ways and you get 25
total 575
cable Internet ect also varies we will say 100 spelt 2 ways is 50
total 625
cell phone if your in a budget you should spend no more then 50 a month.. Also no job so Obama phone is realistic
total 675
out to eat, buying a CD, buying a game, going to game ect we will say 150 (this one is very easily avoidable)
total 825
gas depends on car but no job takes away a lot of driving we will still list it at 125 a month
total 950
Insurance for car also varies a lot keep it nice and even at 150
total 1100 (easily down to 975)

Notes I didn’t include discounts for food stamps Obama phone unemployment ect the money from them will go to dentist bills or w/e pills to kill a bad cold ect.. could also get a bigger apartment with more people and pay less

Now add in a car some will have a car when they enter the league some will not we will go with not having one for the sake of the augment.. Get a used car for 4000

So after taxes and agent you have 200,000 – the 4k from the car and you have 196,000 / total 1100 (easily down to 975) you get

13200 a year for 14.8 years
or(
 11700 a year for 16.7 years

Now it is impossible not to splurge in 16 years so take a way the .7 and turn that into the cds and what not

This is all if he doesn’t go and get a job with his free school (most cases) he got.. It can be done very easy..

The lasting till he is 65 is bull shit most people cant live off of one year of pay.. Try living off of less then 13,000 a year

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sandvet Sep 2010

by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

no lets add in a min wage job

at 40 hours at $7.50 is 300 after taxes is about 250 a week (you also get almost all of it back b/c you make under the poverty level)

250×4 is 1000 almost what you spend a month is you had any over time you might even hit it

you wont be able to live like a king but you could live just as well as most people do

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sandvet Sep 2010

by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

well better then most people if you have the job and 200k

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

13200 a year for 14.8 years
or(
 11700 a year for 16.7 years

Actually, if your 200k is earning interest, since you’re only withdrawing a small amount every year, it will last even longer.

Put it in a conservative mix of stocks, bonds, whatever, and if it averages 5% interest per year, and you’re only taking out $13,500 ever year, it will last more than 25 years before it runs out.

Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...

by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i made it 196000 b/c of him buying a used car.. but your point still stand the intrest will make last longer

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Now add in a family.

Mortgage, daycare, cars, utilities…

that 200k is gone in a year or two.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

only if it's managed very poorly

If he can’t figure out how to make that 200k last at least three years, especially knowing ahead of time that he might go a while without income, and that nothing is guaranteed in the NFL, then he’s not managing his income very intelligently.

Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...

by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i added A car you dont need ore then one

not all are marred or have kids.. like stafford he has a GF but not kids or wife and if he did have a wife she could get a job as well make it even easyer

there in a apprtment so they dont pay a morgoge..

i included utities

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

but that ok compltly side step my point CLF

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

There you go again...

planning someone else’s life… Good for you.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

relly?

and you not??

he gets his deal and buys a 200,000 doller house

did you plane his life?? it is behound stuiped to spend that much on a house if your only income is 325000 b/c after taxes and ect ever thing will got to the hose no food or anything

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

its about mangment

if they cant do it its there own falt i dont care if there injured or w/e it money mangment dont but 10 cars or big houses till u get the big deal

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

no... you where you assumed he would go out and buy a new house

i dont see the difrence..

if you won the lotto would you spend it all fast or would you nikel and dime it??

i would nikle and dime it b/ you never know when shit will happen

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

might have missed??? wtf?

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

theres 2 ways a player can go about this

spend it like they have never seen money befor(how you seem to be looking at it)

or spend it like it might be the last good deal the ever have(how i am looking at it)

save save save..

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

once aghen i never said it was

but you started this thread asking if the lions had the cash..

donno who started it or if it snow balled into this but the fact stands true if you spend 200,00 in ONE year you and go brock you deserver it..

and in all honsty it is our bussness when that happens b/c most like it was b/c he bought a house or something he could not affored and that kind of shit is why the eco is where it is today

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

FIRED????

Listen, Don’t even use that as an argument…

This conversation is about employed NFL players, the hazards of the game, and the length of the career.

Deadbeats are not included.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

just b/c they cant play anymore dosent mean the cant work at mc Ds

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Your numbers are WAY off…

Income taxes on 325k…. looking at least 35% to the feds

Federal tax brackets for 2010

So, if he’s paying 10% to his agent, and he’s paying $92,366 in taxes (28% after you calculate all of the tax brackets his income spreads across), that comes to $124,866.

So, he’s getting $200k after 28% federal taxes and 10% agents fees and my example had $225k. I was a little off but not WAY off.

Again, take the salary and spread it out to age 65… then you’ll get my point.

Having enough from one year’s income to live the rest of your life and having enough from one year’s income to live on for two years instead of one year (in case of a lockout) are two completely different things.

Is $200k enough to live on for two years if there’s a lockout? absolutely, as long as you’re not stupid with it.

Is $200k enough to retire on for the rest of your life? no. That’s why I said I agree that players need to be assured good long-term pension and health benefits. And I’m sure that will be part of the negotiations.

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by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

200k is more than enough

its all about investing money. you can buy a convenience store, subway, little caesars, etc if you have around 40K in your bank account and have a fairly strong credit rating. Those buinesses bring in 25K to 75K depending on where they are and how good the service is. with 200K, a guy could easily start up a couple of stores and make enough to live off of for a lifetime.

The beginning of the end of the misery

by Latif Masud on Nov 15, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

agree to a point here...

he can start them easily but doesn’t mean they will succeed..

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

buying a house a renting it out is a easyer way to go and does the same job

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys are a bunch of wealth envy morons.

I for one will NOT vote to ever limit your wealth potential… I hope to god you don’t do the same to me.

I’m out of this degrading conversation.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure what I said that was envious or moronic, but whatever

Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...

by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

with all do respect clf

how much do you make?? by the why you are talking it sounds like it is more then the rest of us

i make less then 13000 a year if i can do it so can he…

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Boo fucking hoo...

that’s your choice.

YOu live how you want to live….

I live how I want to live….

Fuck you for even trying to “GO THERE”.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

thats right you can live how you want to live

but if you live like that you have to ignolge that it can all blow up in your face.. the players dont see that so i dont have sipafe..

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

the players dont see that so i dont have sipafe..

Who fucking cares? and further more… what the hell is SIPAFE?

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yea your a fucking badass make fun of spelling on a sports blog

your nothing but a hypocret

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

no, I seriously do not know what you

were trying to spell… there fore I could not make fun of it.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i do not feel bad for players

that go on a spending sprey and go bankropet

its there own falut.. save as much as you can.. make it last as long as you can.. untill the big deal comes along.. and if it dosent use the schooling you got to find a desent job..

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Err.

Like I said, if someone’s making 325,000 in one year, that person should be ashamed of themselves if they’re broke the next, even if they’re unemployed.

It has nothing to do with injuries, or the whole money for being entertainment, or the fact that their bodies are their wellbeing.

It has nothing to do with any of that. I’m not even bitching.

All I’m saying, is if someone is making that much (or little, by the NFL standards) they deserve what they get if they’re homeless and famished during a lockout. Period.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAT???

What kind of douchebaggery are you speaking of?….

So a QB comes out of college, gets drafted, gets a contract for 325,000… Guaranteed….(he sucks)… Buys a $200,000 house the next day for his wife and 2 little girls… then first day of practice, breaks his neck…

So he’s a fucking idiot?

Not so black and white is it?

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Breaking it down.

If he makes 325,000, he’s not buying a 200k house outright, he’s getting a mortgage. That means you take the down payment (a good down payment is 20%, so we’ll say 40k) and two year’s mortgage notes off, so let’s round it out at him having an even 100k left after the taxes, mortgage notes, and bills going along with that, to be generous.

That 100k then goes to a car, he could buy a car outright, say a decent line 20k vehicle. That’s 80k.

That 80k is more than enough to live off of for those two years, let alone one extra year. Period. Especially if you know you’re not bringing in a paycheck and have to budget appropriately.

It has nothing to do with where players are getting their money from after the lockout. It has everything to do with the fact that any NFL player, regardless of how much they make, or the reason they don’t play the 2011 season, is a damn fool if they are in financial disaster after a lockout.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

HUH???

Lets see a 180,000 mortgage + taxes would be… lets say $2000(very conservative)…. that’s $24,000/yr

Now lets in gas… $80/mth average… $1000/yr
Electric $1000/yr
Water? if in the city…………………………….$2000/yr
phone… $100/mth……………………………..$1200/yr

Daycare? Since the guy is half famous… he has to be sure its safe… lets say $250/wk…. $13,000/yr…

Do you get it yet? After one year of recovering from a neck injury… his family has soaked up just about all of that ’veteran minimum…. not to mention his career is shot.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Why does he need daycare when he and his wife aren’t working?

If he’s spending close to 30k (from your example) on housing+property taxes+utilities, and groceries cost another 6k and transportation (buying a used car, plus gas, insurance, etc) comes in at another 8k, that comes to $44,000 to cover all the basics: food, shelter, utilities, car, taxes, and insurance. Add in another $500 a month for whatever else they need ($6k/year), and this family is finding a way to live on $50,000.

His rookie salary was $325,000. After taxes and agents fees, etc, his take-home was about $200,000.

So, yes, if he has $200,000 in the bank, and he can’t figure out how to make that last at least through a one-year lockout—then he’s not making smart financial decisions, not at all. A “damn fool”, like Mavyrk said.

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by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Envy= That guy makes more than me… WAH!..

Moronic + envy = He shouldn’t be making that much!…. WAH

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Did I say anything that was envious or moronic?

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by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest...

I didn’t read all your posts…

But arguing over how SOMEONE ELSE spends their money is, in fact moronic and possibly envious.

The whole argument from a fans side is stupid.

What a player makes is between the owner of the franchise, and the players union.

Just like the real world… each person has their own individual worth, living style, and personalities…. where in the US of A… each person is allowed to excercise those traits at their own success or peril.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

All i've said.

Is any person who’s broke after a lockout, is a damn fool.

It has nothing to do with being envious of how much money they make.

It has nothing to do with “he shouldn’t be making that much.”

All I’ve said, from start to finish, is anyone who’s in financial disaster from a lockout is dumb, period. You can say all you want about individual worth, living style, and personality — the personalities that would make 350,000 and spend it like they’re making 35 million, are not intelligent, and deserve to be poor.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, and this is to answer CLF's point

I think there’s a big difference between saying

That guy doesn’t deserve to make $200,000 playing a sport.

and

If that guy can’t figure out how to stretch $200,000 through a lockout, knowing ahead of time that there is a risk he could lose his income, then he’s not being very smart about how he manages his money, and he has nobody to blame but himself if he’s broke in the next couple of years.

The first statement might be out of envy, but the second statement is just recognizing some obvious mismanagement and poor decision-making.

 

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by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yes a persone can spend money to how they feel

to a degree

it all come down to money mangment.. he should have taken it whne he got his free schooling

if they buy a 200,000 dorrel house the day they sign a 5 year 32500 deal it not smat money mangment after the 5 years he dosent know if he will be abled to affored the bill.. it is stuped to spend that much befor the fact

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

good point i missed
Why does he need daycare when he and his wife aren’t working

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yes he is if buys a 200,00 doller hose when his only income is 325 befor taxes

he is very retared no if an or buts

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not retarded.

But it would be if he bought it straight up. Realistically, he gets a mortgage.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

after taxes he only has 200,000

its retared howes he buying food??

his old ladey have a job??

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

A mortgage

With down payment would only be like 40k.

Lots of people start mortgages for houses of that much worth, while making far less per year. Mortgages are 30+ year investments, not shopping sprees.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

but he dosent know if in 5 years if he will be able to affor the mounthley morgage

thats why the econ is where it is now.. stuped people buy more then they cann afford

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

NFL players

Go to college.

What do you expect, someone to live in an apartment for the rest of their life?

In five years, if he can’t make the payments, he sells the house and leverages the equity towards a more affordable domicile. It’s not a dumb decision to establish a mortgage.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

homes are not selling right now..

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

and as far as a apartment.. yes they have to do what they have to do

if they cant control them self stick with smaller things

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

ALL RIGHT, ENOUGH ALREADY...

Summarize your argument please… cause you guys are all over the place.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Summary

Anyone, regardless of profession, making 325,000 before taxes, is a damn fool if they are broke after one year of not working.

All other tangents aside, that’s the only point I’ve been pressing on about.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyone, regardless of profession, making 325,000 before taxes, is a damn fool if they are broke after one year of not working

this..

i will even go farther into saying that they are a fool if it is gone in 5 years.. if they get cut or w/e they should find a real job

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that.

I just hate discussing someone elses salary and money issues… its just none of our business.

by CLF on Nov 15, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

say they guy tht started a therd asking

if the lions had the cash for a top 5 pick

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

but your right it isnt any of our business

but to feel bad for a guy the blows throw 200,oo(after taxes) in 1 year is silly to me

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay.

Those numbers you just listed adds up to 42,000.

Yeah, huge chunk out of 350,000. I totally get what you’re saying now. That guy would be totally broke after a lockout.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure they can

You have to realize that a lot of contracts are gonna come off the books. Julian Peterson’s 7.5 mil contract probably wont be around. B johnson’s 3 mil contract wont be there. Maurice Morris is making 1.9 mil and that might not be there. A rookie high draft pick would probably cost us in the range of 9 to 12 mil and those salaries above added up equal right around that amount.

Plus, one of the great things the Lions have going is that a lot of the young players are starting or project to start. If Spievey starts next year then we have starting safety that makes 550k and we can let go of CC Brown and his 1 mil contract. Levy only makes 600K, Follett (if he starts next year) makes 400K, Phonz makes 400K too. We have a lot of cheap starters, which greatly offset a lot of the expensive starters.

Add in the fact taht there will most likely be restrictions on rookie salaries next year, and the Lions actually look like they are pretty solid financial shape.

The beginning of the end of the misery

by Latif Masud on Nov 14, 2010 9:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Recced you latif for some good forward thinking.

Come on guys, Mayhew is not an idiot. He has put this team together looking towards the long and short term. Some pick ups have been to fill immediate holes, others have been with an eye towards building a playoff team. And that includes working with a salary cap. This is definitely Peterson’s and Bryant Johnson’s last year. If not for cost, for lack of performance.
The Lion’s worst case scenario is probably a lot of the lower salaried guys playing well beyond their current pay. So, in a couple of years you might have some unhappy players. That is a problem I hope the Lions have.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 15, 2010 7:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we need couple more high draft picks

The Lions have 10 former 1st round picks currently on their roster. Although, 3 ( Bryant Johnson, Bobby Carpenter, and Lo Jack) don’t get much playing time. The NY Jets have 16 former 1st rounders.

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by JCruize on Nov 14, 2010 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

and my opinion doesn't matter but..............

i think any player that makes over a certain amount shouldn’t qualify for retirement pension, eventually with players only averaging 3-5 years in the NFL how quickly will pension cost over extend? think social security, or our members of congress and their retirement checks and benefits for no minimal number of years worked, Obama, very very little time under his belt will receive retirement paycheck til he dies for less than 10 years service, these ideas sound good when there’s lots of money but as the NFL agrees to give out more the closer the line comes to an end, and soon the company (NFL) will have to ask the Union for help and the Union will not want to give anything up and the collapse of the NFL will be in sight. i’m not saying this is in the immediate future but if history shows us anything………..

by chainsaw on Nov 14, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions  

We can

Providing the Cap comes out around were it should. This would be a great year to move down if we could pull it off and just pile up picks

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by The Profiler on Nov 14, 2010 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know about that. The number of high quality of players coming out this year is not impressive.IMO

If there is a salary cap for rookies in place [supposedly a sure thing] then what player would the Lions give up to move back?
 
Scenario 1 – Lions have a top five pick. Peterson or Prince CB or both may be available then. Also Bowers, Quinn, and/or Clayborn DEs will likely be there too. AJ Green WR is another possibility. Not really any O linemen grade out this high. Or RBs. Or LBs.

Scenario 2 – Lions are picking between sixth and eleventh. Probably three of the guys [minimum] I previously mentioned are gone. Still too early for O Linemen. Some LBs might be worth a look although I think they would be reaches [T. Lewis, B. Carter, G. Jones].

In my current state of mind, I don’t see us picking any farther than eleventh. It would take at least four wins, maybe five, to get out of the top eleven.

I think the Lions will sit tight and draft someone they are really excited about at an early spot. I get the feeling it will be a DE. Bowers or Quinn. Not Clayborn. The second round pick will be for a CB [Smith Colorado or Harris Miami] or OLB. Whoever is the best value. The Lions/Mayhew seem to use their second round pick to fill a need, rather than value.

Oh yeah, I guess its not too early to talk about the draft now? Is it?

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 15, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

too early for draft talk? not anymore

Sean gave us the go-ahead

Every year there is a certain point when fans start to give up on the Lions. This is when the draft becomes a hot topic and the phrase “wait until next year” becomes a common theme to discussions. Well, I think we’ve officially hit that point.

My personal favorite scenario, at this point (outside of getting AJ Green—how sick would AJ+CJ be?), would be a couple of trade-downs into the middle or bottom-middle of the first round, picking up a third and fourth, or two thirds.

With our new lower-middle first-rounder and our original upper-second rounder (which we can trade up a bit like we did for Javhvid Best), we can get two impact guys for our back 7 on defense: I think there will be plenty of worthy first-round CB’s, like Brandon Harris (Miami) or Aaron Williams (Texas), and I wouldn’t be disappointed with any of the three OLB’s you mention, NorthLeft—Lewis, Jones, or Carter.

Then, with three or four picks in rounds 3-4 (depending how far we traded down in the first, and whether we traded up from the second), we can get some combination of BPA to fill needs we have at OLB (even if we just drafted an OLB, we could use at least two of them with Julian Peterson gone soon, and Zack Follett still being a question-mark), WR (to replace Bryant Johnson—the third round could be a good place to get a decent #3 WR), and OG (I know Peterman is on a longer-term contract, but our interior just isn’t getting the job done in run-blocking and we could always use more young depth that can challenge for the starting job). So, some combination of three or four guys like Mason Foster OLB (Washington) 6’2-245, Leonard Hankerson WR (Miami) 6’3-215, Austin Pettis WR (Boise State) 6’3-202, Ben Ijalana OG (Villanova) 6’4-320, John Moffitt OG (Wisconsin) 6’5-320.

So, we get two (hopefully) immediate-impact first-rounders for our back 7 on defense—a cornerback and a linebacker. Then, we get three more big guys in the third round or so, at other positions that could use competition and long-term starting potential (interior o-line, linebacker, receiver).

I’m sure I’m falling into the trap of projecting which positions they’ll draft when the mantra is BPA, but if we did come away from the first four rounds with some combination of CB-OLB-WR-OLB-OG, I don’t see any major holes left on our roster.

Also, I wouldn’t be disappointed at all to see us trade away a third or fourth in 2011 for a second or third in 2012. I agree with the consensus that there doesn’t appear to be a top-tier Left Tackle talent this year, and I think Jeff Backus will hold that job for at least one more year while the coaches continue to develop and evaluate the long-term potential of Jason Fox. But if we start winning in 2011, and we need to draft a blindside protector for Stafford in 2012, it could really help having an extra second- or third-rounder to help trade up if there appears to be a Russell Okung-caliber tackle near the top of that draft. We’ll also be looking at having to replace our other 10+ year vets, Vanden Bosch and Raiola sooner or later too.

but now I’m rambling and thinking too far ahead.

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by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I am almost hoping that Green will NOT be available when we pick.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the kid is an amazing WR and will be an excellent NFL talent, but …….I just don’t like the idea of drafting a second #1 receiver. We should be able to get a good receiver to complement Calvin and Nate in the third round. Other teams do.

I really want to see us get an impact LB, either strong or weak side. The problem is we will be picking a little early to justify picking a LB there. That is the one reason I can see for trading down. It just means giving up on the “Elite” draft picks like the six I mentioned above.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 15, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

If we don't see what we have in Derrick Williams....

In the next week or two, I’m seriously going to question this coaching staff….WTF….to keep playing a dud like Bryant Johnson who will not be back, while we have to see what we have in a 2nd year player is getting silly.

by delusional on Nov 15, 2010 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well if the Lions can be in the 4 to 6 range in the draft

Bruce Carter OLB – UNC could warrant that high of a pick. I also like Derek Sherrod OT – Miss. But again it is too early to start making any real projections.

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by JCruize on Nov 15, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm hoping.

We can grab Bowers and put him at weakside OLB.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

isnt he a DE?

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by det32 on Nov 15, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He is.

But he’s got the toolset to make for a promising 4-3 OLB on the weakside if not played as DE.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he was like 280lbs

maybe I’m reading the wrong scouting reports

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by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He is. Bowers can be an All Pro DE. Why try him at a less valuable position?

Bowers is not a LB candidate. Mav, do you mean Strong Side LB? Unless I am wrong, Weak Side LBs are smaller and more mobile like Ernie Sims etc. Strong Side LBs are bigger like Julian Peterson.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 15, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not that big.

He’s 275, and 6’4. He carries his weight well, he’s intelligent, has good burst, and strength. He’d be a solid gap filler as a weakside OLB. His coverage is certainly questionable (since he’s played DE during college), but if his coverage pans out well I could easily see him being a linebacker.

He’d be very good as a pro DE though, and probably game changing if utilized in Detroit’s 3-1-3 style looks instead of KVB.

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

270+ sounds pretty big for a linebacker, unless we're running a 3-4

but I’m sure we could find a place for him as talented as he appears to be.

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by n4ry4 on Nov 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I don’t think anyone’s going to draft Da’Quan and go, “darn, he’s big. Might have to cut him now.”

by Mavyrk on Nov 15, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I want to see Derrick Williams, I am so sick of BJ

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