The Difference Between Being Competitive And Winning
by mikeyclaw on Nov 17, 2010 8:39 PM EST
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PrintI was supposed to be preparing a preview article of the Detroit Lions vs. the Dallas Cowboys for Bleacher Report. But, an idea popped into my head, and would not leave me alone. It haunted me. It distracted me.
It stalked me.
It shook me, and brought back memories that I would rather just forget. It’s relevance, however, was so compelling that I needed to share it with you.
Lets do this!
The question is simple: What is the difference between being a losing team who is competitive, and a winning team?
As I pondered this question, I called upon my own experiences for some insight.
Leading a platoon of Marines during the Tet offensive of 1968, it was a FUBAR situation.
Poor communications, worse logistics, and zero support. We were, for all intents and purposes, marooned.
The thing that made the difference was the certain knowledge that we had implicit trust in one another, and that somehow, we would impose our will.
We would complete our mission, and win.
Having been recently reminded of former Commandant of the USMC, Chesty Puller’s remark at Chosin Reservoir during the Korean war, I thought that it would be germane to repeat it here:
"We’re surrounded? Good! That simplifies the problem."
General Puller realized that he could snatch victory from the jaws of the most costly defeat in US military history by imposing his will.
Pick a direction, attack it relentlessly, and impose your will.
The breakout at Chosin reservoir would save the lives of over 40,000 starving, freezing grunts who were low on ammo and morale.
For his decisiveness, General Chesty Puller was awarded his fourth Navy Cross. A unique accomplishment.
Imposing our will. Hmm. What a concept!
My thesis, therefore,is simple.
The difference between being a losing team that is competitive, and a winning team is this:
The Lions must have the level of trust in their teammates and coaches that fortifies them. Makes them focused. Makes them disciplined. Makes them ferocious.
The Lions must impose their will over opponents at every opportunity in order to become a winner.
Period.
When Calvin Johnson is covered by Darrelle Revis, the Lions must impose their will. They simply must win these key personnel matchups.
The Lions coaching staff chose to play it cozy, and stopped challenging Revis. This is the oft repeated flaw in the Lions game plans. They fail to impose their will.
When it seems that the Lions have an opponent on the ropes, do they stomp em?
No.
Lets be clear about this. The concept of imposing your will upon your opponents is the cornerstone of winning. To imply that the Lions talent level does not support such thinking is absurd.
It’s a losers lament.
Look at the Cleveland Browns. They have gotten in the face of the best teams in the NFL, and punched them in the mouth. With a third string rookie quarterback, no less.
This is the biggest challenge of head coach Jim Schwartz, and his staff. The schematically correctness must give way to discipline, and coaching a mind set that this Lions team will not be dominated.
Hell, my Lance Corporals had a clear understanding of this concept, and I would have trusted them implicitly in important leadership positions.
"It’s not a matter of having the game in your head, it’s about having your head in the game."
-- Master Gunnery Sgt G.O. Rilla, USMC
We will impose our will! We will control the line of scrimmage! We will dominate your best players! We will punch you in the mouth!
We will win!
This is the message that Schwartz, the scholarly, but seemingly detached head coach had better start preaching in an up close, in your face style.
Competing is not winning.
It is, what it is doesn’t cut it!
Winning is about imposing your will.
Mike Sudds is a Featured Columnist for Bleacher Report. Mike is also an analyst and correspondent for DraftTek.com.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Pride of Detroit or its writers. FanPosts are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable fans.
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interesting....
I like your comment about the browns. they are playing pretty good football. i think penalties are tearing us a part. it is getting ridiculous to say the least.
by yamahawarrior89 on Nov 17, 2010 8:47 PM EST reply actions
To be fair I never question Colt McCoys abillity to play in the NFL
I thought he should have atleast been the backup to start the season. Without a doubt thought to win games you have to be competitive first. Nice write up very interesting.
Did I mention..I love the Phonz!
It's odd that McCoy never got much love
I didn’t have much faith in him, but he seems to have won the team.
The way that Delhomme and Wallace have been acting, I’d dump both at season’s end, and pick up a journeyman backup QB who understands his role.
This is McCoy’s team to lose.
I was/am a BIG colt McCoy fan...
That Scrawny Freshman grew up into a damn fine QB that knows how to win.
Funny you should mention this....
I was just getting ready to post, but since you talked about imposing your will and discipline, as well as a “losing is not an option, here!” mentality, I will put my thoughts here on what I feel has been one of the BIGGEST reasons the Lions have lost 7 games; it goes right along with what you’re talking about, I believe, because I’m talking about a BREAKDOWN in the defense to the extent of allowing ONE big play at a crucial time, usually just before halftime. Now bear with me; I have taken the time to examine the games one by one and have come up with a definite pattern in the LOSSES. Here we go:
Bears: 2nd qtr., 89yd. pass to Forte-result TD.
Eagles: 4th qtr. 46yd. run L.McCoy-result TD.
Minn: 3rd qtr. 80yd. run A. Peterson-result TD.
Packers: 3rd qtr 48yd. Int. C. Woodson-result TD.
Rams: Blowout- ALLOWED NO BIG PLAYS!
Giants: 2nd qtr. 33yd. pass M. Manningham-result TD.
Wash: 4th qtr. 96yd. K.O. return- result TD. ( we overcame this!)
Jets: 2nd qtr. 74yd. pass B.Edwards-result TD.
Bills: 2nd qtr. 43yd. pass L.Evans-result; set up TD.
The Lions seem to lack the mentality for a complete game victory. They LET DOWN THEIR GUARD AT THE MOST CRUCIAL TIMES! This has been the story of this team for as long as I can remember. I don’t know what else to say. I hope they can continue to improve as they play together as a team and learn to, as you said, TRUST each other.
Sir Ronbomb
by Ronbomb on Nov 17, 2010 10:03 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
nice work
and it really fits in the with OP theme of mental will and imposing on to your opponents.
+1
Thanks, Thorpac!
This was an old Jarhead venting his spleen. I have to go off every so often, or start kicking my dogs.
Ahhh, I feel better already.
Excuse me while I puke
at all of Ronbomb’s very accurate analysis. Those plays made me sick, for sure.
Why don’t they get it?
Sheesh!
And he even failed to mention the OT Bomb against the Jets...
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
One other thing....
I forgot to say; GREAT POST! Excellent analogy! God Bless you for serving your country! I was in the Navy, but never served in combat(Vietnam war era).
Sir Ronbomb
Thank you, sir!
My Navy Hospital Corpsmen were among the bravest that I have ever seen, and not above picking up a weapon and using it with great effect.
Such is our debt to your Navy HCs, that they are forever allowed to wear Marine marksmanship medalions on their dress blues.
Semper Fi!
The House Of KA-Bars
It's not often
you hear a Devil Dog talk about their Devil Dolphin, or FMF Doc…..
If you can't spell practise write, then dont repond!
Those docs saved the lives of many grunts
Myself included.
They will always be welcomed in “The House Of KA-Bars”.
We Devil Dogs hand out praise very sparingly,
and only to those who are worthy. The Navy’s HCs belong to that class who are more than worthy.
Well Thanks,
I’ll take that as a complement. It was hands down the best job I ever had. It takes a whole nother breed to be a Marine. Happy belated Bday BTW.
If you can't spell practise write, then dont repond!
Great Post
I think the Lions still play suprised at the fact they are up to a team like the jets or any team for that matter. When it gets close they get nervous and play like a child doing the pee pee dance. Eventually, they will develop the killer mentality ….I hope. I also think moral plays a big part and after losing their leader twice as well as the way they lost the Bears and Jets game….they are just playing like they are defeated. Hope this changes in the Dallas game.
Thanx, Joey!
Look, these guys are PAID to do this. Many people prefer to compare them to mercenaries, but the comparison is unfair to those who get paid to go into harms way with weapons.
How do we motivate football players, who’s greatest concern is their next injury?
pro football athletes greatest concern is $! If you bench them they still get paid, to motivate someone in pro football take away $, fine them for false starts, personal fouls, ect. or if you bench them take away there pay for that game. I work constuction (when there’s work) no paid days off, no benefits, no sick days just hourly pay when I’m working so no work, no pay simple as that.
Some like to say that what fans and the press have to say has no bearing on what the team does.
After the injury report uproar, the Lions became much more forthcoming regarding Stafford’s injury. Being proactive and releasing Dr. Andrew’s info, and even going as far as saying they are trying to get him back for the last 2 games.
Well after the penalty uproar of the last few weeks, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to start to see players benched for portions of the games after committing additional penalties this week. Schwartz had to answer the penalty question multiple times this week.
Correct. Benching does not hit a player's wallet.
If you deactivate Peterman for 1 game, he’d lose a game check. The NFLPA would be helpless to prevent that.
Good post
I definitely see where your coming from. I do hope there is trust in this team, and so far, I think we can see that are playing hard but momentary lapses have let us down. I wanna see that drop away. Will it? Unsure.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
Thanks, Hype!
I want to see some real leadership on the field. I want the QB to start pointing fingers, and kicking keisters for stupid penalties and dropped passes.
my slant
We took a chance in the corner of the endzone against Chicago and that has set the tone for the rest of the year.
We can take chances on offense. We can take chances on defense. We can do this because we have play makers on this team on both sides of the ball. We need to expose our hiney every once in a while and take some chances. Not the kind where a player during a play says “hey i’ma go a different way and screw up the scheme”. I mean called chances where everyone is on the same page and be aware and can possibly focus on the possible weaknesses we are about to expose. Who knows the players that have to cover more with less, or the running back that goes one way without a single blocker ahead of him may actually bring himself up to the challenge. Football IS like chess but these “pieces” have so much more goin for them because they are human and with that can rise to the challege on any given day.
Oh, and by the way if we throw the gd ball like we should to calvin along the sideline for 30/40 yards its okay if there happens to be a turnover. Why? Because Calvin is Calvin and he knows what to do with the ball along with the fact that he has just as much chance to get a pass interference penalty because of what they have to defend. Another reason I believe its okay is that our defense while still in need of tuning a little more, is a solid defense that can generate turnovers just as much as any in the league. In other words why the hell are we making it so easy for the other team, ESPECIALLY IN OUR OWN BUILDING?
Does one play define a season?
It sure can! Ask the Patriots. When Brady went down in Week 1, they were screwed.
When Stafford went down in Week 1 this year, Hill came in and the Lions collapsed, giving up 10 points in 90 seconds.
I agree with your general thrust mc.
In my mind, it is more about playing to your strengths, not your opponent’s weakness [ie. the Bills game].
I would not get too specific and say we have to throw to Calvin + ten times a game, but we are a passing team, we have a pretty good group of receivers, our O Line are very good at pass protection, and we have two good QBs. Force the other team to stop our strength. In the Jets game the Lions targetted Nate and the RBs and TEs. I would have liked to see a couple more throws at Calvin, but they did go to him long early and in the end zone. I liked the game plan against the Jets. It was working until Stafford went down.
We still need to be able to run occasionally, especially when the other team ignores the run and plays total pass [see what the Colts did to the Giants one Monday night].
Banging your head against a wall is not productive. Some might argue that the Lions tried to impose their will against the Bills, although we did not play to our strength.
I agree with you, in principal, North
By not taking Revis to the wood shed, did the Lions publically acknowledge their reluctance to impose their will?
Did those 10 rushing plays on 1st down expose the Lions predictable play calling?
Did those personal fouls expose the Lions as an undisciplined rabble?
Did Hill’s performance inspire the trust and confidence of his teammates?
Are these questions valid, or am I just another voice in the wilderness?
Nice Post
I think especially in the Jets game this mentality showed.
When we had the lead by 10 late we played like “oh hell, we might actually win this. Lets not do anything to screw this up”. Then they screw up and say “Oh hell, we still have a little lead, lets play even more conservative and try to hang on”. Which to me is how bad teams who are winning play.
They should continue to play to win no matter what the score
Internet anonymity = the only place where you can find out what someone really thinks
Vince Lombardi had the right Idea.
The Packers were getting blown out at Lambeau field by halftime. He simply wasn’t getting through to his team.
When the players left the locker room to resume play, they found that the benches had been removed from the Packers sideline.
Lombardi then instructed the clubhouse manager to remove every bench and seat from the locker room.
The message was received loud and clear.
Now that’s coaching!
by mikeyclaw on Nov 18, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly and that's what I wonder with Schwartz
I like him and win or loss record aside. I just wonder is he a motivator of men. When I see the NFL network commercials and Parcells is saying to the Giants “this is why you lift all that weight!” You know, is he firing these guys up?
Is he coaching these guys up like Belicheck on the sideline coaching a defense with 4 rookies and still getting them to play above their heads.
I heard a story from one of Belichecks players on a podcast where they were saying he would run mental drills on the spot. For example he would say “Okay, fumble on the 1 and the ball goes in the endzone. If your on offense what do you want to do. If your on defense what do you want to do”
Is he a head coach / leader, or is more of a coordinator / manager.
And again I like the guy and believe as most do that he should get another year.
Internet anonymity = the only place where you can find out what someone really thinks
Watching Schwartz every day in training camp,
I noted a certain detachment from the team. Occasionally, he’d be joined by Mayhew for brief periods. Otherwise, he’s timing practice drills.
He’d gather the team after practice for some post session stretching and he would address them there for 10 minutes.
He looked like Jeff Fisher jr.
QFT
“Is he a head coach / leader, or is more of a coordinator / manager.”
He’s shown the cerebral side and the brash anger. Can he focus the two into fired motivation? I hope so…
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
Schwartz is a good talent evaluator
and utilizes that talent well. His inexperience is showing, but he seems to be a quick study.
We will need patience with Schwartz, the Lions biggest project.
I can't believe this hasn't been rec'd yet...
THis post should be up on the bulletin board in the Lions’ Locker room!
Schwartz has a vision of the future...
He stood up and said ‘’We need a quarterback’’ while most fans wanted the tackle or LB. It seems to me he was right, Stafford is the best thing that has hit Detroit since Barry!
They just need to find ways to protect the heart and soul of the Lions. Stafford had the guts and desire to be a Lion. I hope they put him on IR for the future of this franchise.
In 2 years, the Lions have turned around completely. There is more than hope that they will break through, we all see it and know it. We have a great head coach.
They have been in many situations where they could win or steal a game this year. That feels good. They have to learn how to take control of their opportunities and finish the job.
When they fix their tackling issues, penalties and running game issues, they will be the contender nobody expects the same ole Lions to be. They have come a long way with Schwartz, he had no nucleus except for Calvin and Backus. The Lions were an awful team when he took over and the turnaround has been quite fast, they have a great coach. This is not a 3 year tryout I hope.
With all due respect.....Regarding Stafford..
Wouldn’t it of been wiser to have the line in place before having an oft injured QB that is having a hard time staying healthy?
I’m not in the reach around giving mood just yet on the Stafford pick. And it’s not hindsight, I wanted the line in place first.
It's hard to look past superstars
But the more you watch the more you feel as though the trenches has to be the priority.
Internet anonymity = the only place where you can find out what someone really thinks
Yup, that was my thought in 09.
I don’t disagree with you at all because the O-line hasn’t protected Staff that well and the pick may backfire on the Lions. He was just too good to pass up though. I would hate to see him crippled because of lack of protection but if they take their time with him, you have a potentially great QB for many more years. Is the risk worth the reward?
From what I’ve seen, Staff was still a great pick. That Cleveland game last year showed what the kid was all about.
Our O-Line is excellent at pass protection already
We’re the fifth best team in the league right now in fewest qb hits or sacks per pass play right now.
Other than a hole at left guard (which we’ve since filled with Rob Sims), we really did have a good offensive line for Stafford to play behind, at least as far as pass protection goes. I can’t give these guys much credit for run-blocking, but as far as keeping the qb clean, they’ve done a great job statistically.
Of course, all it takes is one bad hit to sideline a QB (and if the hit was allowed by Backus, the haters are out in full force). But, given how good our O-Line has been this year overall at pass protection, and the fact that at least two of Stafford’s injuries had nothing to do with the O-Line (the hail-mary pass at Cleveland last year, and getting tackled trying to scramble against the Jets), I think we definitely have an O-Line capable of the kind of protection we need for our passing attack. Though, of course, Backus and Raiola are getting up there in years and we’ll hopefully be bringing in new young talent to replace them (and improve our run-blocking ability) over the next few drafts.
These stats are through week 10 this year:
Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...
by n4ry4 on Nov 18, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Number 5!!!!
Nice numbers that still yields a dislocated right shoulder and a broken left arm. 2 QB’s injured. That is sadly the bottom line.
Without wanting to blame the O-Line, how much of it goes to the O coordinator in his selection of plays, schemes and formations?
In spite of great numbers, the breakdowns in protection have been the source of major damage to the QB’s.
Even the best lines allow some hits
Look at the 2007 Patriots—very good protection of Brady all year.
Then, first game in 2008, he gets hit wrong and is out all year.
No matter what you do, your QB is going to get hit sometimes, and no matter who you are, some hits will cause injuries.
The fewer hits your line allows, the lower the chance for injury, but it still can happen.
And again, of Stafford’s four injuries in his first two seasons (knee, left shoulder, right shoulder, right shoulder again), two of them came on a hail mary or a scramble—not breakdowns in pocket protection.
Our O-Line does a great job at pass protection compared to other lines in the NFL. If Stafford wasn’t so brittle or unlucky (whichever it is), we’d be in much better shape.
Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...
Great contribution, n4y4!
Yes. The Lions have had an impressive showing in pass protection. When you consider that the Lions are third in pass attempts, this makes your stats even more impressive.
Thanks for doing the grunt work, N4! You have become an honorary “Sled Dog”
BTW, that’s a very good thing!
mikeyclaw
stats
Given the high number of pass attempts and the high percent of short passes this stat actually shows the line isn’t doing as well as some might think. Don’t get me wrong, they are doing a good job in pass protection but I don’t see it as truly a top 10 performance thus far. When weighing this to how poorly they’ve been doing in opening up running lanes I’m quite disappointed in fact.
I think the tackles are doing quite well, but the middle has collapsed more than it should. Of course any QB is going to get hit and the sides have been far from perfect, but solid. The use of the TE have been very suspect in pass protection as have the backs. A lot of this has to go to play design but some to the players.
I’d be curious to see a breakdown of exactly where the pressures have been applied if such a thing exists. Oh i wish Slippy or edit were here!
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
No.
the first one this year was on backus. the second one is on stafford. the kid needs to learn how to fall without landing directly on his shoulder. i mean cmon. the pass protection has been ok. the line is closer to good than bad. i think the bigger problem is linehan. the play calling is just wow sometimes. if they pass on first down, you can bet the farm its a run on second down. and last i checked the lineman ya’ll wanted so bad has been hurt alot and not that good. at least staff is a stud when healthy. look at the bright side, gonna get a shot at another stud that just might complete the turnaround. there close ya’ll, just be patient.
I certainly agree with the 3 year tryout angle, Cursed.
Ultimately, I believe that Schwartz is the right guy, at the right place, at the right time.
Cheers!
Mike
This blog of yours is one of the best!
Thanks again as your opening post shows just how much hope there is for this franchise and still how upbeat the fans are about their Lions.
How long has it been since you guys have relished the idea that Motown may have a great football team?
Loving the direction POD is headed in.
Thanks, Cursed!
Ee Oulo told me that this PoD crew was cool. After being here for less than a week, I’d have to agree.
You PoD’s are knowledgeable, passionate, and fair.
This ole Jarhead is very appreciative.
Thanks, again!
welcome brother
I do not think anyone here would call em fair but I am the exception to the rule around here and they do a pretty good job of keeping me in check. Kinda, sorta, maybe…..
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
lol
I’m bound to get it right once in a while. These guys made it a no brainer! Now to continue trying to get my other favorites from other sites to come here and help build the community. With the vastly superior function of the forums and the insight of the fans I hold out great expectations! If that fails perhaps some scotch will work!
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
I suggest Lagavulin
you can find the 16 year for $40-60. If you like Scotch, you’ll never drink Johnny again.
8====D my lil' j16941
I have been saying this in so many ways for so long
Schwartz is a players coach. He is not the disciplinarian we need as a head coach with such a young team. When you are the friend of a team that is mostly made up of young players discipline often is one of the first things that goes out the window. It is the mental toughness that is needed to perform on a professional level every snap of a game. As it stands right now this team is going to continue to get younger. Schwartz’s inexperience and apparent lack of discipline has hurt our team this year (clock management, penalties, game plans). With experience I am sure he would be a decent coach. I am just not willing to let him waste the talent we do have on the field learning on the job. This team needs an experienced, discipline oriented coach who will let them know that mistakes are not tolerated. Not one that says, off sides penalties are ok because that shows aggression. The Giants have a great D line and they do not seem to be blowing up the off sides penalties barrier.
Older veteran teams need a Schwartz type coach. They do not need to be handled anymore. They have been there and done that, so to speak. Unfortunately, we do not and will not have an older Vet team as long as Mayhew is running the show. He has proven he values youth with a higher potential ceiling over veteran experience in his two years. I would be stunned if he changed that stance any time soon.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
I agree to a degree
but Schwartz did hire a disciplinarian in Gun to coach his defense for a reason. Some of you are saying Schwartz seems detached, well – there are plenty of coaches most of us would consider had great careers who prided themselves on being rational and in control. Schwartz models himself after those kinds of coaches. However, he has alos lost control a good number of times because he is passionate about this team and ticked-off by what goes on. Some of you are practically screaming for Marinelli (with all the “go get ’em” “will yourself to win” battle vernacular). I think Schwartz should step up the discipline a bit on penalties for sure. But I want a coach who constantly teaches his team (like Bellichick) how to be ready in particualr situations. That’s one of the weird things about this season so far. Those two minute drills and end of halfs etc. are suppose to be Schwartz strong points. Some may take that as a real failure/bad sign, but I actually look at as a positive in that Schwartz knows he and these players MUST get better in those areas. He’s always drilling the players in that fashion, the more of it they see in practice and than see their mistakes when they don’t execute in the game like they’re being taught in practice, hopefully the better future we’ll have. I certainly would rather have them being taught that, then “pound the rock” BS…
RA
if he is teaching it in practice than lets see in on the field
Against the Bills, end of the half. 3 TOs in his pocket. He used 2, using 3 would have kept 40 extra seconds on the clock for our half ending drive. If they are practicing that and failing, it falls on him.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
I think that is a good example of a questionable call.
To be honest, I agreed with Schwartz not calling that TO right away, because if Buffalo gets some yardage there and doesn’t play it so conservatively, you’ve got to be fearful of our defense giving up points (like they have almost every end of the 2nd quarter this year). So no, at the time – I think it was a good call. You can’t always criticize defacto. There’s a difference between decisions and outcomes. You can’t know the outcome and therefore a decision may still be a good decision even if things end up going sour… You need to know the difference.
RA
More time for us to score = better chance to win the game.
That pocket TO was a terrible decision from a conservative coach that was not going for the win.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
Again, guys, it's about imposing your will.
The lack of game management when Suh went in for that extra point was FUBAR. It cannot be rationalized.
It was stupid.
fact
I take it at face value that Shorts is getting some quality on the job training! It comes at the expense of this season but that can be packaged in and written off as part of this whole rebuilding process.
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
You are certainly welcome to disagree, rames!
Now, have you seen the Lions practice? Have you seen them in training camp?
I have. every day. I see the Schwartz in in-action.
I like that Bellichik style (Billick also coached in this fashion).
I do think that Schwartz is the right man in the right place, at the right time. He’s only in his 2nd year as a HC. I pray that he develops at a faster rate than his team.
Cheers!
that aloof
style is a part that could be troubling on a few levels. It does nothing to entrench him in with the players and build that esprit d’corps you mention. Who gets more respect from the troops, the guy embattled in bush or the guy hanging out in the tent. Then again, maybe he can make his style work in a way we don’t perceive. Time will tell!
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
If you are going to post your same thoughts on Schwartz ad nauseum...
and litter the site with this drivel, I’ll be right behind you to counter that poisonous opinion.
If you are going to dismiss my comments with your drivel
I am going to keep posting my opinions because tactics like this are below both of us.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
I only dismiss your comment, because it is cut and paste all over this site.
We get it. We all get it. Your mission is to oust Schwartz. You want him fired. You think he is overmatched and underprepared. You think he is the wrong man for the job. We all get it!
But you saying it over and over in every post does nothing but breed contempt for a man that is doing a decent job with what he has to work with in most eyes. Is it more important for the fans here on POD to have faith in a guy WHO IS GOING TO BE HERE NEXT YEAR or for you to be right? See my viewpoint? You are injecting contempt. I highly doubt that anyone else on this site would be calling for Schwartz head right now. You are the lone voice in this. Let it go…… Schwartz WILL NEVER get fired at the end of the season.
I agree, he's going nowhere.
I have faith the he’ll make the changes necessary so we don’t have a repeat of the BUF game.
by delusional on Nov 18, 2010 10:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
agree completely
He has a learning curve as a head coach but my gut says he’s the shiznit with a solid future. I’m intrigued to see where he takes us.
Every Bills game
Every half time that passes without any adjustments.
Every horrendous clock management situation.
Every penalty that keeps adding up.
Every game plan that leaves us on the wrong side of win or lose.
I am getting tired of adding them up. I am getting tired of watching our team under perform weekly. He is the boss and it falls on him.
p.s. There are two active threads where I have talked like this about JS. Saying I am in every thread or post is nonsense and only lessens the validity of your statements. You can continue to exaggerate to amplify your point. Just know, it is not going unnoticed.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
Good God, I hope it's not going unnoticed....
that’s my point in trailing you… to undo what you are spreading.
No one wants to buy what you are selling. Are you not getting that? We are stuck/blessed – whatever your viewpoint – with Schwartz for another year regardless. That’s my point. You are just breeding discontentment on a non-issue. For every “I Hate Jim Schwartz/Jim Schwartz is the wrong guy/Fire Jim Schwartz” rant you put out there… here comes DrewsLions to cancel that out. Lol… that’s how I roll, baby. Get used to it…. hehehe…..
Passive Agressive Boy!
TO THE RESCUE!
by Aaron Rodgers Mustache on Nov 19, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
I will be right there behind you
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
and you understand mine
fortunately for me, I have tons of time while running my store.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
right back at you bro
but that does not diminish my respect for you. You stick to your guns and stand strong.
I hope you do not take my opinions as some personal assault against you. It is nothing personal and I really do try not to cross that line.
We are fans of the same team with drastically opposing points of view. If we all thought the same the world would be boring. It is a good thing.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
Go root for another team
You are a bandwagon jumper that needs to jump off and stay off. He is the best coach the lions have had in my lifetime. and i have been a lions fan for 40yrs. you make lions fans look bad.
A very astute observation, Joshsun!
I will put a little spin on this in my next post.
Enjoy!
mikeyclaw
yes and no
It can’t be said in the long term that is what Mayhew, or Shorts, favor. It can only be said that for this rebuilding process they seem to favor youth with a few key veterans as guideposts. Beyond that it also has to be looked at who has been available for them to start this rebuilding process. I think they’ve done an A+ job on talent evaluation.
As for Shorts himself, I too have to wonder how if he does have the right temperment to lead the show. I’m willing to give him the time to grow as a coach just as I’m willing to give a rookie some time to season up as well.
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
I think there are more levels to this than meets the eye
Imposing ones will, a smurfy take if you will…
As explained above, you can impose your will on others, however I feel there are more sides to this coin.
For instance one could impose their will on the team from within. I would like to see this from Jim Schwartz. I would like for him to impose his will via disciplinary measures to players who get stupid penalties. Even if he is not going to bench them at the very least he should embarrass them and provide them with some motivational training.
IMO each position group needs a leader. We see this on the defensive line with Kyle Vanden Bosch. He came here and he told the defensive line how it was going to be, he imposed his will on his team mates. But more importantly he imposed his will upon himself, by setting an example that demanded more of himself than others.
So we have a legitimate leader on the defensive line, who imposes his will, on many levels there. When it comes to the linebackers you would expect that of Julian Peterson, however he falls far short of it. Admittedly he is doing better this year than last, but he is not living up to his paycheck. DeAndre Levy may be that guy, but he needs to grow into those shoes and is not quite there yet. The same could be said for Louis Delmas in the secondary.
On offense there is Stafford, I believe when he is in there he imposes his will on the offense, and the other team. I see Calvin and Nate doing this at times too, and even Brandon Pettigrew. So we have several studs in the passing game, and while none have fully reached their potential, I can at least say that there are several of them that share the load to get the job done there.
In the running game we do not have a running back that imposes their will upon another team. And no they don’t have to be a physical runner, they just have to have the ability to not be denied when the game is on the line. We have nothing like that currently so I feel that we could still use a true number one thoroughbred in the backfield. It does not have to be a LeGarret Blount or Peyton Hillis type, it can just as easily be a Roger Craig, Joe Morris, or even a Edrin James type. I hope everyone gets my point here and does not get all that upset about the slight on Smith and Best. They are great complimentary pieces, but they are not the answer IMO. Best could still grow so who knows, but I doubt that Kevin Smith will ever be more than what he has already shown us.
The offensive line needs several of these guys, but mainly a dominant anchor. It does not have to be a center, it can be a tackle or guard. Just look at what Jake Long and Steve Hutchinson have done for their teams over the years. We do need that one guy there though, that demands more of others and yet even more of himself than what is normally given. We need a guy that has the physical and mental prowess to go with that drive to impose his will on that field.
And there you have my take on it. If we could only impose our will upon ourselves we would be so much more than what we already are. We would commit less penalties at the very least.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
by Evilsmurf on Nov 18, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
An extremely worthwhile comment, and spot on!
Evil, you remind me of myself when I was only a commenter. I’d write an article as a comment,lol.
You, and Vince Lombardi have it right. You can’t impose your will upon your opponent without imposing your will upon your team.
Your take is my take!
Every man a leader!
Thanks!
I enjoyed your training camp reports....
Over on Bleacher….Once they shut out the public and the reports dried up I quit checking out that site as much.
Ole Smurfer here puts a real nice, easy to read spin on a lot of topics. His stuff is what initially drew me in to this site.
As long as your not a Lions groupee and lay it out straight and honest, I’m good.
I bumped into the CBS Rapid report guy last week, he said to contact him anytime with questions.
by delusional on Nov 18, 2010 7:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Smurfy does indeed have a way of making points without really pissing in anyone cheerios. Unlike some people!
What?
Really?
Who me?
Nah……
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
I'm holding back on Schwartz, believe me.
I’ll be seriously disappointed if he doesn’t empty his bench trying to see just what he has going into the off season.
Especially if the excessive penalties continue.
Caleb Campbell, DW, AB, yes even that new QB I would hope get some playing time.
After that shit this past Sunday, Schwartz deserves some heat, and he got some for sure.
by delusional on Nov 18, 2010 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree somewhat
I want to see some new guys play but I still want wins..I don’t think Robinson gives us a good shot at a win. If it was a oppertunity were this game is over then ya do it. Otherwise I’d just assume keep him on the bench. guys like Willy, Caleb, DW, Brown,Fox I’d like to see them at the very least get a few drives in.
Did I mention..I love the Phonz!
by The Profiler on Nov 18, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it has to be some slop time
For Robinson to see the field, but why not? We already know what we have in Stanton.
But Campbell I’m seriously curious about, and of course DW.
by delusional on Nov 18, 2010 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Campell def
I liked the pick when we made it Army he was a beast. I’d like to see if theres still anything there.
Did I mention..I love the Phonz!
by The Profiler on Nov 18, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
The game mark you would look to for that would be the last 3
Because a guy cannot play on the practice squad after 6 games of accumulated experience the coaches usually wait until the last games of the year to play them. Sometimes it is the last 2 sometimes it is the last 3.
Schwartz did this last year if you remember right, he had Jansen and a bunch of other players going. If memory serves me right it was our last two games that Schwartz used to self scout and give a lot of the practice squad guys a shot.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
Cool, D!
I’m still waiting for the NFL office to grant me full media creds (a glacial prosses).
I’m glad that you enjoyed my training camp reports. My goal is to be on the other side of the ropes next year, and get more interviews to share.
I was gratified by the number of expatriot Lions fans from all over the world (some on deployment) who are starving for Lions news, and views.
It became my mission to serve them, and I will continue to do so.
Let your friend at CBS Rapid Reports know that I am a fan of his work, and would like to hook up.
Thanks, Delusional!
This is a great post
I read it a couple times, just because I enjoyed the grid iron/battlefield reference. Jim Schwartz IMO seems to be a good coach, it’s still too early to tell if he truly is or not. Jim still has a lot to learn, Chesty Puller is a great leader to learn from.
Some people are stuck in their ways and are too pridefull to use experience to learn from. We saw Schwartz early in the year Stick to his Gunz on his decisions and more recently accept responsibility and humility for poor performance. Only time will tell if this is a good thing.
And ewww for Mangina and his Browns.
If you can't spell practise write, then dont repond!
Hey, Doc!
I feel the need to respond to every comment. Readers deserve nothing less than the respect of the poster. It is, afterall a forum for discussion. To engage kindred spirits in speculation, or just to heal one-another after the latest Lions setback.
I was not prepared for the avalanche of insightfull, creative, and provocative comments from the members of the PoD community.
I reluctantly need to take a break. I’m researching a new post that I think will be engageing. Once it is published for syndication, I’ll post it here.
Thanks, Doc!
This is what the trio of Lewand/Mayhew and Schwartz have done. In order to impose your will, the culture that was prevalent in the Lions front office needed to change.
They didn’t fire the scouts but they must have changed the goals they set for them. Instead of drafting dogs, they came up with a few jewels and good players through the 2 previous drafts. It seems the whole organization is on the same page.
They are still lacking in the type of players needed to fill positions, you can only get a few players per draft and all are not at the same stage of development. They have to be patient for late round picks, they are in the process of maturing into their roles on the squad.
In their own way, they are imposing their will. The wins will come, trust me. They have overhauled the player personnel, the turnover has been astounding. They still have many needs to fill for the present and future.
I’d love more wins but Detroit was a huge mess after the Millen era, Do you think Bill Parcells would have turned this franchise around as quickly as he did in Miami. I seriously doubt that.
The nucleus of athletes in Detroit when the change occurred, you had Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson that were potential stars. Who else had that star quality? A far cry from the 1-15 Dolphins Parcells overhauled. They had a better nucleus of players.
The Lions have come a long way, give this team time to finish the job. Then we’ll see what they have accomplished.
Scouts
Some changes were made but not many. I don’t think many were let go of, if any at all. However Schwartz did get some of the scouts he was close to in Tennessee to come over here.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
Scouts
Some of who I am fimilliar with are generally given assignments that are player oriented in a particular region, or state.
This includes High School players.
The Lions have maintained the services of the entire scouting staff. One (nameless) is on IR with an illness. The Lions are also taking on a couple of guys who are tracking players and making projections via a software based simulator ( can you say DraftTek.com?) that is apparently quite accurate in 2009 testing.
The bottom line is that all the career stats, and scouting “impressions” must be collected. Then there are the Pro Days and the Combine results to throw into the mix. Scouts do NOT make recommendations, unless asked to do so directly. They grade players based upon the criteria negotiated with the Lions personnel department, and offer their impressions that must be devoid of any bias.
Scouts that witness performances of merit contact the appropriate personnel manager, who contacts the positional scout/analyst for input, clarification, and comment.
Speaking of Parcells -
My latest post at B/R has just been published, and awaiting syndication. It involves hiring Parcells as a consultant to Jim Schwartz.
When I realzed that Parcells duties with Miami had been reduced and redefined, I changed it to Bill Cowher.
Post coming ASAP!
Moi
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