Lions Notes: Shaun Hill To Start On Thanksgiving
by Sean Yuille on Nov 23, 2010 3:06 AM EST
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Print- Shaun Hill will start for the Lions on Thanksgiving against the Patriots. It will be his third consecutive start for the Lions. Earlier in the season, he started in five straight games.
- The Lions only had a walkthrough on Monday, so we won't know more about their injury situation until Tuesday's practice. Even so, the early word on Jahvid Best, Tony Scheffler and Corey Williams is that all three could be out on Thursday since there is such a quick turnaround. That would be really bad news for the Lions, as playing the Patriots is going to be tough enough without the added stress of injuries.
- Best was unable to do much of anything on Sunday against the Cowboys because he is dealing with turf toe injuries on both feet. The lingering ailment made him ineffective, and at this point it may be a good idea to just shut him down for a few games and let him heal. I personally would be surprised if he plays on Thursday, as it just makes sense to give him some time off. There's no point in playing him if you're only going to further aggravate the injury and if he isn't going to be able to do much of anything on the field, so I would sit him.
- On a more positive note, it looks like Cliff Avril and Jason Hanson could return on Thursday. There are no guarantees, but it's looking like they may be able to come back against New England.
- Interesting stat from SeatGeek.com: Tickets to Thursday's game between the Lions and Patriots are 216% of the average ticket price to the home games the Lions have already had this season. This is the biggest jump of the three games on Thanksgiving. (The other two are New Orleans at Dallas and Cincinnati at the NY Jets.)
- Quick note on today's POD Podcast ... It will be up sometime later today, and this week it will serve as both the recap of the Cowboys game and preview of the Patriots game since there is a quick turnaround.
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I am cool with Best sitting this one out
I know he is trying to tough it out. But man, he need to rest his toes.
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I will go a step further JCruize, I am ok with Best sitting out the entire season if necessary
He is ineffective and the coaches playing him hurt is only hurting the team. Had they rested him earlier in the year he would likely be healthy by now.
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+1 too both of you
At this point in the season with NO shot at the playoffs why are we not resting Best the rest of the year? What so we can say look at what we have. I think that Best should sit out the rest of the year so that come next season we can have a truly healthy Best and Staff(I hope) to lead us into a winning season.At best all we can get this season is a lower position when it comes time for the draft, and why not just tank it I mean the Panthers are looking like the #1 pickers and after seeing Buffalo kick Cinci’s but on Sunday I see us drafting somewhere around the 3-5 range, a perfect position to grab (LUCK) or a top notch player for that O-line. Say what you want about me wanting some new LUCK on this team but until Staff can prove that he can stay healthy for more than 10% of a year we need another QB that can play at a high level and I see LUCK as the top prospect at that position.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I think we will be picking in the 3-5 range myself too
The Panthers should finish as the 32nd team, followed by the Cardinals and Bengals. However the Cardinals play in a weak division so they might get another win or two. The Bengals have self destructed though and I just wonder what our chances of getting Joseph from them to come play corner in the D next year might be? The Broncos are another horrible team that might finish below us. WTG Josh McD, trade us some more please, how about maybe they give us Brandon Lloyd for a 7th round pick? No go? How about Champ Baily then?
Anyways there are a few more poor teams there and the Lions still have some winnable games yet. The Vikings might check out early on the season with such a veteran laden roster, and I don’t think a coaching change is going to fix a locker room that has went cancerous. We also get to play Miami with their third string QB and that is a winnable game. After that I still think we have a shot to beat the Bears in a revenge game as well. Oh and Tampa Bay is a beatable team too IMO, the only reason they are doing so good is because of luck and the progression of Josh Freeman. If Josh were to get injured, or if he just has a bad game, it would be hard for them to win. So 4 winnable games left for us IMO we should get at least 2 of those and that should put us firmly in the 3-5 spot.
As for picks, I don’t much care about anything but getting a good center in the draft. Personally I like the guy from Florida State, Rodney Hudson. He is the best guard in the draft and can play center. If we cannot get him in the second round I would prefer we get Mike Pouncy. Either one of those guys I would be happy with. I also want that OLB from Boston College, Mark Herzlich. I think he will slide down into the 3rd because of his history with cancer and injuries this year, but he is a stud and has the size Schwartz likes at 6-4 245. Other than that I dont care who we get really, BPA is fine with me. I am a bit intreaguled by the WR from Miami though Leonard Hankerson. I think he is the best WR in the draft and I think that he would be deadly out there with Calvin and Nate. I am not sold on the Tony Scheffler experience. As much as I like chef, he is injured a lot and has not had the big play impact I thought he would.
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Agreed smurf
Turf toes is one of those injuries that players play past. The pain is miserable but it is not unbearable (from what I have been told). You have to love the fight in the kid. Sometimes, you have to sit a guy even if they are willing to battle for you. Unfortunately, we are getting to the breaking point with best and this season. 6 weeks left. Can he heal up enough to be effective again before the season is over?
Do we just IR him? Or do we sit him for a few weeks with the hope that he can come back around the same time as Stafford?
BTW, I am not a fan of the idea of bringing Stafford back this season. The way this season has gone for him and our team. I can almost feel something terrible happening if he is brought back too soon again.
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
I think at this point we shoudl IR both Best and Stafford, to open up roster spots for other guys, get some guys in here on a shortened season for a tryout.
Its nice to read about something other than the Schwarts debate Josh, nice comment.
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Best is playing turkey day
I am not sure how much of this is just trying to force NE to prepare for him or if they really do think he can be effective. I know you want your best guys out there on your only nationally televised games but his production has been next to nil. Outside of keeping the D somewhat honest. What else has be really given?
BTW, I have posts all over the place not in reference to Schwartz. It is just hard to see them from the bright glow of the flames. lol
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
PLEASE
Can we get some deep balls in this game???? (and not by NE)
Can we have a rushing game?
Can we limit the stupid checkdowns?
If you have watched any of the Pats games these
last couple weeks since they traded Moss. The Pats are back to the dink and dunk offense, spread the ball around to the open player offense that has made them successful in the past.
Our bend but don’t break defense is going to be challenged this week. We have to make sure to keep players in front of us and wrap up or they are going to us with yards after the catch.
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
Were not playing that b & b shit this year.
Those corners are manning up all day long, we had 8 in the box all game Sunday.
Honestly
I was watching the LOS and ignoring the LBs and secondary this last game. I wish I had it DVR’d so I could go over it again.
If we really had 8 in the box all day and still gave up 134 yards on the ground I am going to be even more depressed.
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
I was surprised at how tight they were playing to line of scrimmage..
They were daring Dallas to go deep.
How in the hell did he limp in for that 29 yarder then. I will be honest.
On that play, I was watching the other side of the D line and did not see him moving away until he was past the LOS.
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
Delmas bit on the run fake, Louis had his worst game as a Lion last week.
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KVB
KVB Crashed down on the run fake and didn’t keep outside contain…which would have been his job. KVB was the first person responsible for the Kitna rushing TD. Delmas being the second person with him biting on the run fake too.
Delmas
Bought on the run fake? his job as a safety is to follow the ball, swinging left then back right is not ‘biting’, it’s doing his job. He was the only persno with a reasonable chance at tackling Kitna before he went down.
CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.
I can agree that KVB lost contain, that the first missed assignment was him.
However in a short yardage situation the safeties are usually the ones responsible for being the last accountable man. Delmas plays the side of the field that the run went to, it was his job to back up KVB and he failed on the 2nd level. Blame them both if you want, blame the coaches if they had a crap scheme called that did not defense the play correctly. It is all pretty much speculation and moot anyways.
But in my eyes there is a reason that position is called “safety” they are the last man standing and they are ultimately responsible for any long play that goes for a TD.
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As a team we were out smarted
Coming into the week, I remember reading about people on our side referring to Kitna’s lack of mobility. To have that TD run after talking the junk they did was a cold smack to reality. Everyone, every week on that field is a Professional and will do their job to the best of their ability. If that means a naked bootleg by a 38? year old QB when the other team is not respecting misdirection plays. Than so be it.
This is a flaw in our defense right now. The D line is so committed to creating pressure on the QB, as they rarely get help, they are often left in a bad position.
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
I just wanna say..
I’m upset about all this talk here and there, about The Schwartz running out of time.
He doesn’t make the bone head plays, the penalties, and the injuries. He doesn’t have
the bodies yet, to replace those that do on the field. That will come, unfortunately with
another high draft pick or two. A case can be made that it’s a toss up between good
players and attitude, that have stymied progress with this team.
The players are assembling, and you can’t have a better attitude in a coach than Jim. I agree that if there is a coach that needs re-evaluating, it’s Linehan. Our play calling sucks! But, we have been in almost every game. It’s the bone head mistakes that mark this team for what it is. Not downing the punt Sunday for a TD return is icing on the stale cake.
Unfortunately I see NE 31 – DET 10
And why do we have to wear those god awful throwbacks. There isn’t an uglier
throwback uniform in the league!
And yes my friends, my kool-aid jug is running real, real low.
Expectations don't produce!
Linehan had a great plan for playcalling with Stafford and Best healthy.
He’s also shown, at least to a certain degree, an ability to adapt his playcalling. Not ready to give up on him.
by Jamesir Bensonmum on Nov 23, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Don't worry about it, Schwartz is not going anywhere, people are just vetting frustration at him
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Get Delton more carries as running back, set up some screens to Morris, Throw some deep for Calvin, and slants to Burleson. Hit Pettigrew over the middle. and defense BLITZ ALL DAY, just play your heart out Lions.
"We’re going to hit you. And we’re not going to push you out on the sideline. We’re going to hit you. You’re legal, we’re going to hit you. " - Gunther Cunningham
Felton*
"We’re going to hit you. And we’re not going to push you out on the sideline. We’re going to hit you. You’re legal, we’re going to hit you. " - Gunther Cunningham
As much as I like the flashes Felton gives us, for the limited amount of touches he gets he makes too many boneheaded plays
The guy just does not play smart. I don’t see him as a long term piece, at some point he will be upgraded.
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I hope the reason Best sucks is because of his toes
if he is this ineffective when he’s healthy then this is going to go down in the Charles Rogers draft bust category. I’m willing to give him the benefit on the doubt, but I can’t help but remember that when he was “breaking out” at the start of the season he was still only averaging around 3 ypc. having said that, a healthy Best-Ksmith 1-2 punch with aaron brown giving a change of pace next year should be sweet.
And by the way, I love the throwbacks but not the usual results when we wear them
by Suhper Megatron on Nov 23, 2010 10:21 AM EST reply actions
Best is a good back, it is his toes, he is the only Running Back we have that I feel is part of a championship caliber back field.
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Aaron Brown
Why not give this guy the start? Mo mo played one of his better games last week, but he still doesn’t seem to be a breakaway back that will press the defense.
Why not throw our 2nd year back into the mix and see what he can do, with his speed and elusiveness. He had some exciting plays last year and in the pre-season to barely beat out Dorsey.
Biggest knock I remember him having last year was the capability to remember the whole playbook. I think by now he should know it, and if he doesn’t then we need to know that and start looking to replace him next year. If he does know it and breaks some plays Jahvid Best style, then we have a solid back-up to Best’s scatback type role getting experience for next year.
Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz! - The Great Yogurt
Brown will get some oppotunities with both Smith and Best hurt. It is make or break time for him now because he might not get too many better opportunities.
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This may sound blasphemous but...
Maybe the Lions should trade Calvin Johnson in the offseason. He is unbelievably talented and the Lions are simply not utilizing him enough. Does anyone know when his contract is up? I think he’s going to bolt when it is because he always looks so downtrodden at the end of the season. His talents are simply going to waste and the lions most likely won’t be better by the time his contract is up. Mayhew should just sell high. Thoughts?
His contract is up at the end of 2012
He signed a six-year deal in 2007.
If we trade away our best player, all of a sudden our whole offense slows down, and we need to immediately start spending draft capital trying to find a replacement.
I just don’t see it as profitable to trade away a guy we KNOW is good right now, create a huge hole on the roster, and spend those picks trying to fill that hole with rookies we HOPE can be good someday. Unless some GM has too much to drink and offers the world for him.
Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...
Exactly
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by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 23, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
The ONLY way you trae Calvin Johnson is if he gives up on the team and requests the trade, or another team offers you so much you cannot turn it down
In terms of what it would take for me to trade Calvin, at least 3 first round picks if not more.
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I think we should sut Best for a while
Let him heal. As for possibly losing Schef and CW, well, that’s just gonna suck.
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It's actually seriously starting to piss me off at this point
Best hasn’t been productive since week two, the last time he was healthy. Since then, he’s been dealing with turf toe in both feet, and even Schwartz has admitted that it’s gotten worse as the season has gone on.
WHY THE FUCK IS HE STILL PLAYING?! Why do you force a player with an injury that seriously hinders his ability to play week after week after week when said injury is only getting worse? We could’ve sat him for a couple weeks earlier this season and had a healthy Best running for us right now, but for whatever reason Stubborn Schwartz won’t give the man a break. I understand K-Smooth is out, and I understand that Aaron Brown and Maurice Morris are, to put it politely, not the greatest backs in the world. But forcing our rookie with crazy amount of talent to play the entire season crippled when said season is already lost just seems idiotic.
I like Schwartz, believe me, but this whole “forcing a hobbled, ineffective Jahvid to play every week while his injury gets progressively worse” thing is really starting to piss me off. If he was effective and helping us win games I might understand, but he’s not, so why the fuck is Schwartz still throwing him out on the field? Can anybody give me an answer that makes any type of sense whatsoever? Please?
Err.
I wouldn’t be so quick to blame Schwartz. Best is in his rookie year, and still relatively in contention for OROY. Who can blame Jahvid for wanting to play?
CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.
I think it is on Schwartz
I don’t think there’s a single NFL player that would tell their coach that they don’t want to play, injured or not. But when said player has been ineffective for this long, it really seems like it’s just hurting the team. No player is going to willingly not play, and therefore it’s on the coach to have the team’s best interests at heart and tell him he’s gonna sit until he’s better.
Again, if Best was playing well despite the injury and helping us win, and we were making a playoff push, I would totally understand. However, none of those ring true in this situation. We’re not going to the playoffs, and Besties play has been declining ever since week two. What aggravates me about the situation is that if Schwartz had just bitten the bullet earlier this season and let Best rest for a couple weeks and get better while the injury wasn’t as serious, we would have a healthy Best running right now for us that would actually be helping us win games.
I like Schwartz, but the whole “play Best every week regardless of his performance and injury status” thing makes absolutely no sense to me.
The issue is.
it really seems like it’s just hurting the team
I don’t agree with that. When teams have to game for him, they can’t game for MoMo as well. They can’t game for Felton as well. Best is a threat, and the fact that he’s not producing is half opponent gameplan and half injury. Best gets attention from DBs which takes attention from other receivers, and when Best runs a play action, teams adjust coverage to take him into consideration.
CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.
I am just as frustrated as you are on this subject.
The only reason I can come up with is….
He is the only RB we have that demands enough respect as to keep the opposing D honest.
That said, sitting him earlier this year so we could have a much more healthy Best now would have been my preference too.
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
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