Is it too early to call Stafford a bust?
by svsuLION on Nov 25, 2010 11:30 PM EST
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PrintStafford was haled as the savior of the Lions. At first when the Lions drafted him I was not on board. Through his first preseason and into the season I thought he might have some promise. But unfortunately like many talented players (Kijana Carter, Mike Utley, and David Pollack to name a few) the injuries proved to be too much for them to prove anything. By no means am I putting Stafford into the category with these players, but it seems apparent that Stafford has a significant injury history. He may have all the talent in the world but If you cannot get on the field you are about as useful as a bag of mashed up assholes. I, unfortunately, am leaning on the side of bust; meaning that the Schwartz will become another coaching casualty and our Lions will again be years behind. Please let me know what you think...
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I don't think you can ever
Truley call a player a bust until he is without a doubt not the answer. J marc hit that point, Lienhart got there but its not a time table issue. Stafford has proven he has talent and could be the answer but until the answer is an unquestionable NO he isn’t…Than he can’t be a bust. Look how long Joey got Stafford atleast deserves that.
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His injury isn't career-ending or anything, so it's not fair to call him a bust already
Talent-wise he looks like he is anything but a bust. Of course, that doesn’t mean squat if he can never stay healthy, but I’m not going to write him off just yet.
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couldn't have said it better
he is so important to this team it would kill me if he was a bust
Suh for DROY!
Yes he is important...
But we see him more on the sidelines with a hat than a helmet. Has he changed the mentality of the Lions or is it more on other players and the coaching staff?
I think his presence on the field (actually playing) brings so much to the team
He brings confidence, leadership, and talent. I’m sure he holds guys accountable like Brady and Peyton do even when he is injured but he can only do/say so much to the guys without undermining shaun hill. A general can only lead his troops so much if he’s not in battle with them.
Suh for DROY!
by joecool5672 on Nov 26, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
He has not shown the ability to stay healthy. That is a concern. On the other hand, he has shown more talent than any reasonable person could expect. That sort of ability buys you time in the NFL. I think this next season is his make or break. So far. He has not been able to put a significant game played stretch together. If he can manage That next year. He will not be a bust. If he gets injured early or he has another shoulder injury. He is done. This off season is his career. Be ready next season Staff, we need You.
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
by joshsun on Nov 26, 2010 2:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
cant manage that next year.
Wish we could edit.
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
by joshsun on Nov 26, 2010 2:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
agree...
I have a lot of faith in Stafford, and at this point blame his injuries on bad luck, since he has never had an injury history before this. But if he misses more than 2-3 games next season, than he probably isn’t gonna hack it in the pros. I say 2-3 games, because who’s to say he doesn’t get hit in the ribs or whack his hand on someones helmet (new injuries that happen to everyone), those injuries would be acceptable to me. But if he sustains another serious injury that knocks him out for an extended period, I think it’s to plan b. Just not sure what you do with Stafford at that point, do you bench him and bring in a veteran or trade him. That would be a decision I would hate to have to make. So much money, so much promise, every decision could be wrong.
by lions_sucker on Nov 26, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
what was your first post?
Welcome bro. There are good people here. Bring you a game. Some of these bastards are actually smart. LOL
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
by joshsun on Nov 26, 2010 2:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I also voted yes and it
is too early. the kid gets 2 more years. thats his contract. He will be the starter that whole time as long as schwartz is the coach. their futures with detroit are linked till his contract ends.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Nov 26, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, he has 4 years left after this year
It was 3rd & 7; Delhomme dropped to pass
"Man, I hope, I don't get knocked on my ass"
He felt twisting and clawing, "When will it stop?"
Then SUH ripped his head off, like a bottle of pop!!
Yeah, I'm a Lions fan
Hey what a minute…
Thread title was "Is is too early to call Stafford a bust" = YES!!!
But his poll question was "Is Stafford a bust" = NO!!!
So I answered no to the poll question. You guys are all answering yes to the thread title???
I have been 100% Millen free for 2 years!
Matt is nowhere near bust!!!
The guy lights the football field up; he commands the offensive unit and holds this football team together. Granted the injuries are unfortunate, but in no way is he considered a bust. I’m not like most fans putting a time table to when we make a decision on keeping him or not. It would be a huge mistake to allow him to go knowing what he’s capable of. It’s waaay too early to have this conversation. Rome wasn’t built in a day!! Have faith!!
I say not a bust
I think if you produce on the field (when healthy) it’s hard to call someone a bust.Yes he’s had more INT than we like.(from forcing the ball) He has shown big strides,from year one to year two. I think Stafford has a chance to be a GREAT NFL QB.
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I agree with you.
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Its hard to say
that he produces when he is on the field because his record as a starter is subpar. He has played in less than 50% of the games and he is such a big investment. In his first two years, of his then record deal, he really has produced very little. He has only won 2 or 3 games in the 13 hes played in. The reason I am concerned is because the Schwartz regime is tied to Matt Stafford. If, and i suspect he may miss the rest of the season, the Lions continue to lose Schwartz will be on the hotseat all next year. The coaching staff will not be able to build a true team without success at the qb position. I believe he has the ability, much like David Carr did, but his inconsistency overshadows his ability. I still think that 2 years into his deal that he is bust status based on: games missed, record, decisions on the field, and overall record of the Lions.
How do you rate Sanchez then?
Staff with a weaker team, worse offensive line was giving Sanchize a lesson in quarterbacking. Imagine Staff with the Jets man! Nobody would touch him and hits like the Peppers hit would have been dealt with by the O line. You don’t let guys hit your QB like that. I hope we remember that it’s payback time and get Cutler out for the year.
The referees have the Brady/Manning rules for protection but when St6afford plays, they throw away the book. This guy has been assaulted.
Why not trade him then? I think the Cowboys would pay a pretty penny for him, he is from Texas after all. The way he got hit in Detroit, even the great
QB’s would have been injured.
What did NE do to protect Brady yesterday? Can we learn something here?
Seems like
Sanchez name pops up every time Stafford is under scrutiny here. Man was gifted with a super OL from the get-go and now his face is all over the NFL.com (rule the air).
Sanchez still has a lot to prove
To be a great QB in the game you have to set yourself ahead of the pack. Sanchez has shown he can play in the league but is yet to be a dominant franchise type guy. He is still ahead of Stafford in that respect because he has taken his team, albeit years ahead of the Lions, to the playoffs and has been ann integral part in the success of the Jets.
I would be up for trading anyone on the team, including megatron, if it makes the Lions a real team. I would have a hard time believeing that a team would build around matt stafford, based on what we have seen so far. Yes, he has talent and can throw the ball (like Jay Cutler) but he seems to be destined to collect dust and a massive paycheck on the sideline.
He hasn't taken his team anywhere.
His team took him to the playoffs in spite of how badly Sanchez played.
He had like 52% completion, 12 TDs to 20 ints, and fumbled 10 times on the year. Sanchez getting any credit for the Jets making it that far is a complete punch in the dick to every good Jets player.
CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.
by Mavyrk on Nov 26, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But the 3 comeback wins in the last 3 weeks have all been due to Sanchez
I hate to admit it, but although his numbers aren’t great he is showing he is a winner and and a clutch performer. Ya gotta give it up for him.
It was 3rd & 7; Delhomme dropped to pass
"Man, I hope, I don't get knocked on my ass"
He felt twisting and clawing, "When will it stop?"
Then SUH ripped his head off, like a bottle of pop!!
Yeah, I'm a Lions fan
His 4 wins.
All came on the back of run of the mill first half performances. It’s like he’s setting himself up to have a 4th quarter comeback.
NYJ v CIN, 1st half – 10/16, 115 yards, 0 TDs
NYJ v HOU, 1st half – 10/16, 115 yards, 1 TDs
NYJ v CLE, 1st half – 9/13, 83 yards, 1 TDs
NYJ v DET, 1st half – 7/12, 135 yards, 1 TDs
Winner or not, he’s competent, but nothing amazing.
CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.
Did you leave interceptions out of those stats? Or were there none?
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
There were no interceptions
That I saw.
CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.
that would lead me to believe that he is being handled
Limiting his exposure to minimize his mistakes. A good game plan when you have a young QB and potent running game.
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You don't "handle"
And “minimize mistakes” of elite QBs.
That’s all I’ve been saying. He’s competent, sure, but he definitely doesn’t deserve the ball-licking he’s receiving from everyone.
CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.
who the hell called him elite?
I know for a fact it was not me.
But I am not going to say he a bad QB either.
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Good teams protect their QB...
The Patriots must have shown that by keeping the RB in the backfield because of the heat our D line produced. Linehan and co should take notice. Get nasty O line players that will do what they can to afford the QB protection.
Brady got his ass handed to him multiple times yesterday...
Unfortunately, it seems like ever since the original injury that Stafford goes out every time he gets hit…that is not good.
Tom Brady got lit up many different times yesterday, most notably by KVB twice in a row…and he did not leave the game, even though he is also playing with injuries.
I do not think it is a question of poor pass protection…our offensive line has done a very good job of that this year in my opinion. However, teams are too easily able to tee off and go after our QB because we have no run blocking, and thus no run game.
It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. ~William G. McAdoo
I realize there are no stupid questions...
…but this one comes really close.
I mean, shit, Joe Montana had a huge, career-threatening back injury that cost him most of a season, and then blew out his elbow. He also launched Steve Young’s career when Montana got hurt again in 1987. I guess Montana was a bust.
And then, of course, Young started for Montana while Montana was mending that elbow for almost 2 years — and Young got hurt badly enough to be removed for a few weeks. The next year he missed games with a concussion, and then later fucked up his thumb. I guess Steve Young was a bust.
How about Troy Aikman? He won a few Super Bowls. He also had TEN concussions, including one that caused him to not remember playing in Super Bowl 28. He was pretty regularly injured. I guess Troy Aikman was a bust.
How about the guy we saw last week — Tom Brady? His first year as starter, he got knocked out of a playoff game and had to be replaced by Bledsoe. The next year, he hurt his shoulder (sound familiar?) so badly that he would have missed the playoffs if they had made them (per Belichick). A couple years later, Brady played most of the season with a sports hernia injury. Then, of course, he missed an entire season when he fucked up his knee. I guess Tom Brady is a bust.
You pick any random, good or great QB, and you will find injuries. You will find parts or even entire seasons of missed games. Stafford didn’t miss time like this in college; nothing in his record indicates that these injuries are anything but the random chance that all QBs face — even the great ones playing behind great lines, let alone those playing behind the Brothers Asshole (Dom and fuckingpeterman).
Relax. Breathe. Stafford will heal (fully, I hope, this time) and come back stronger and just as dominant. In three years, when he’s a regular pro-bowl player and the Lions are a model franchise in the league, we’ll forget that this post ever happened.
Did not look at it that way
I do like your point of view… did not see it that way. I was not on board when they drafted him, and from this point i’m not sure who should have gone first anyway, but it would be nice to see him play. Guys like Montana, Aikman, and Young all battled injuries but seemed to play and be effective. Stafford was effective in maybe half of the games he has played. Unless he can play inury free or through the injuries, which do happen to all players, he will never become the pro-bowler that many envision him to be.
Where do I even begin …
Joe Montana’s back injury and elbow injury came after he had won Super Bowls, had the play they call the catch. Stafford has spent over 50% of his first two seasons on the disabled list.
Aikman! You bring up the concussions. He still played in 86% of the games that the Cowboys had inhis career not counting playoffs. Including 26 of the first 32. Stafford if he plays every game next year mightjust reach 26.
Tom Brady!? A 199th pick … a bust, the fact he did anything is beyond the scope of what a 199 pick is. And again he lead a team to a SUper Bowl victory long before his shoulder injury.
Stafford is made of glass and comparing him to quarterbacks who had succuss before their injuries or comparing a #1 pick to #199 is silly. You want to be #1, you want to make more money then any before you, then you need to produce. Two seasons into his career BRADY a #199 PICK lead a team to a SUPER BOWL victory. Montana was the not the starter his first season and not even until half way through season two, by the end of his third season or 1 1/2 as a starter he had a super bowl and immortality. AIkman made the plays off year season 3 of his career and won a Super Bowl in year 4 and it helped that he played … Will the Lions be able to say the same thing?
LOL, Hell no.
The more I see people support Stafford the more it fuels my desire to see the fat piece of glass have to give back all his un earned money.
When healthy Matthew is automatic...
Detroit has put weapons around him but have failed to give him a quility line.
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His talent alone says he isn't a bust. Injury prone, maybe. Bust, definately not.
Knowledge is Power.
A good way to put it
We’ve seen what he can do when he’s on the field, and injury prone does not a bust make.
stafford is a bust
your opinions mean nothing, i will always think staflop is a bust. i put a brown paper bag over my head from my own home watching this team suck year in and year out. im so fed up with the losing and so pissed that i pay $350 a year for the ticket just to watch a team kill itself. if it werent for fantasy football i wouldnt even watch football anymore.
STAFFORD NEEDS TO GO start over asap or just suck for the next 10 years again.
Wow...
I’m done reading your posts.
“Your opinions mean nothing” followed by “my opinion is law”, followed by, “I don’t even like football,” followed by “this team is going to be bad forever.”
Impressive barrage of inane, asinine garbage right there.
CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.
lol
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by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 26, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
useful as a bag of mashed up assholes LOL I like that
I don’t think Stafford is a bust but the injuries are a problem so I can’t crown him as a savior yet. One thing I’m tired of hearing is if stafford was playing or if we had a all pro bowl O line. I don’t think we will ever have perfect players at every position since no team does at some point you have just dance with the girl you brought and stop the excuses
I don't think it's too early at all.
From what I’ve seen from him on the field, he is absolutely not a bust. His only knock is that he is injured. That is completely unpredictable and unfortunate, and would be the worst reason to give up on an athlete. This isn’t saying much, but Staff has shown me more, in the extremely small amount of time he’s played this year, than I’ve ever seen from any Lions QB.
In fact I change my mind. It is too early to call him a bust. I only think that he could end up “busting” in the same manner that CJ, Suh, and Delmas could possibly end up “busting.” Which is, basically, it could happen based on a lot of “ifs,” like injuries, and some cataclysmic drop in talent or production, which is something that all players are susceptible to.
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