I STILL want...
the Lions to go after Michael Vick. There, I said it. Vick will be a free agent, once again, after this season. For all of the naysayers out there who had many negative things to say about the bad press, about Vick's lack of ability as a passer, and about his personality in general, I think it is pretty needless to say that you were all wrong. When Vick came out of prison, I suppose one could argue that it was a different story. Maybe going to Philadelphia and playing for Andy Reid was exactly what Vick needed to transform his life and become something different. Then again, maybe he COULD have come to Detroit and done the same thing. I want to say that I STILL believe that Matthew Stafford is the QB of the future in Detroit, and I do not want to see anyone come in and take that chance away from him, however the injury history concerns make me want something other than Shaun Hill.
Don't get me wrong. I think that Hill has done a pretty solid job as a backup in Detroit, and I think that he is a hell of a lot better than Daunte Culpepper, Drew Stanton, or anyone else we have had as a #2 in recent history. That said, I believe that Michael Vick is a step above Shaun Hill, and that he is a guy who could step right in and make things happen in the event that Stafford is unable to stay healthy. He is also a QB that is adept at avoiding the pass rush, and he is a guy who instantly adds credibility to our non-existent run game, with or without changes to our offensive line. He is a proven starter in this league, and like him or not he is a threat that opposing teams have a lot of trouble accounting for.
I decided to write this post instead of doing a follow-up to my weekly post. I would rather look at opportunity than subject myself to the misery of revisiting what I wrote last week, analyzing and defending my opinions. I think it is an exercise in futility to pour over the well beaten, dead horse, so I wanted to go with a fresh idea. Michael Vick is the real deal. Still don't think he can pass the ball? Let's take a look at his stats:
In 7 games (all 7 started) this season with the Eagles, Vick has attempted 191 passes. He has completed 120 of those attempts (62.8%) for 1608 yards, 11 TDs, and ZERO, yes that's right, ZERO INTs. Want to argue that Philadelphia has a superior offensive line to Detroit's?? Vick has been sacked 18 times in 7 games. Kevin Kolb was sacked 10 times in 6 games (4 started). That makes 28 sacks on Philadelphia QBs this season. All three of Detroit's QBs have been sacked for a combined 20 times this season. Michael Vick has also rushed for 375 yards and 5 rushing TDs behind the very same offensive line. All 3 Detroit QBs have combined for 146 yards rushing and 1 rushing TD (Stafford vs the Jets).
Michael Vick is averaging 8.1 yards per pass, and has also thrown an 88 yard bomb for a TD this season while accumulating a passer rating of 108.7. Shaun Hill? Passer rating 78.3, 6.3 yard average, and do I even need to mention his longest pass? Yeah...Hill has passed for 2206 yards and 13 TDs, but he has also thrown 11 INTs (the same number of passing TDs that Vick has) and is only 32 attempts short of DOUBLING Michael Vick's passing attempts. I have to say, if Vick doubled his output (via twice as many attempts, with an equal % of completions to his current mark) he COULD have 3216 passing yards and 22 TD passes with 0 INTs. I would love to see that kind of production from a QB in the Honolulu Blue and Silver, and I have to wonder 1) Wouldn't you? and 2) Has your opinion of Michael Vick as an NFL QB changed yet?
Here's the way I see it...we could go after Vick and at least offer him a contract. If he takes the offer, and is up to the challenge, then why couldn't we keep Shaun Hill? Hill is comfortable as a backup, and he could be our security blanket should Stafford go down and Vick not produce. We already know that Hill can do an ok job. Wouldn't it be nice to have Stafford, Vick, and Hill? Let's the slamming begin...
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when Vick was getting out
I was saying that we should try to get him and everyone else said that I was crazy. Well now unfortunately it is too late there is no way the Eagles let him go and I think with the success he has had he will stay with the Eagles.
I was one of the ones saying we should get him
It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. ~William G. McAdoo
until this yr..
I would have said NO WAY IN THE WORLD SHOULD WE GET HIM!!!! I have said based on his days in ATL. that he was a terrible QB but an AWESOME athlete..
BUT now that has changed he now plays the QB spot the way it is supposed to be played.. he now studies the game and is now pass 1st run 2nd (or when need be)
Lions fan for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's me looking into the future at the Lions going to the Play-offs by 2011 and going to the Super Bowl in 2012!!!
I drink a lot of "spiked" blue kool-aid... Having no problem sharing cuz it sure is good!!!!
by lionsfan_772 on Nov 28, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
he was never "terrible"
he was such an athlete that he changed the way teams played Atlanta
- he was the first QB to win in GB in sub zero temps.
At any point he could change the game with a big play
…and he is better now
I don’t think he’ll sign as a back up anywhere
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Dec 7, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
If you can manage to convince someone who’s burgeoning on ‘elite’ status to come and play backup for a losing franchise after having an amazing, MVP caliber year.
Than yeah, I’d love to pursue the person that is that dumb.
CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.
No
Stafford is still the guy and Vick won’t be a backup anywere..On top of all that there is no way he gets out of philly.
Did I mention..I love the Phonz!
this guy is getting a HUGE extension.
there is no chance in hell the Eagles let him go. He will be locked up for 5 plus years this off season for 10 plus million dollars
I have a 9" personality
by Waitingfortheroar on Nov 28, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
im all for vick
staflop is hurt 75% of the time, and hill is a ok back up. philly wont let him go though.
They're gonna franchise tag Vick. Watch.
Detroit passed on Vick when they should have signed him and kept him their back pocket.. but a lot of that is hindsight. I wanted him despite the baggage and risk- I had a hunch he would regain form.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
You may want him
I don’t see any remote possibility that Vick will be in Detroit next season.
The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. - Niels Bohr
it would be great to have Stafford, Vick, and Hill
It would also be great to have CJ, Larry Fitzgerald, and Andre Johnson
by DETROITsports13 on Nov 26, 2010 10:23 PM EST reply actions
what about AJ Green with CJ?
Just think of no Bryant Johnson. Calvin, AJ, with Burleson in the slot. We have excellent recieving backs and TEs. All we’d have to do then is key off the safeties and the linebackers, pick out the mismatches and get rid of the ball quick like pats did all second half. The o-line doesnt have to be stellar just like the pats oline wasn’t. Then we grab some dbs via free agency and maybe draft one. Then draft some OL and LBs as well as get some though free agency and have them shoot it out for a roster spot. LB is our most glaring deficiency as evident by our poor run defense. I think Levy is better suited to play OLB. We need a mauler in the middle and I don’t think he will ever be that. Order of our team weaknesses imo are LBs, OL, DBs. Team strengths are DL, TEs, and CJ. RB is borderline a weakness but I can hold off till next year before I write them off. I think with a healthy JB and a change or 2 on the OL could do wonders but if the numbers don’t change next year then it is a weakness. I like Patrick Peterson with the 1st pick too in 2011 but not Amukamara if we are drafting for BPA. 2nd round has got to be BPA at LB or OL and the same for 3rd round. of course this is early and a lot can change through free agency but we are close to a winner. Schwartz is learning too and will not lose game like we did against the Jets at the end.I honestly rather see Tim Toone out there over BJ. Interesting how I’d trade him for a BJ. The guy suck and needed to be out of here yesterday.
by MonteCarlo7888 on Nov 26, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
are you suggesting that we take a WR with our 1st round pick?
are you kidding me?
8====D my lil' j16941
wait? thats not a good idea
to just keep drafting wide outs in the first round on a team where we have a bunch or recieving weapons and TE’s and good recieving backs? are you sure? maybe there is a guy who sat out a year and can eat his way out of the leage we can get? that woul’d be perfect.
I have a 9" personality
by Waitingfortheroar on Nov 28, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
1 BIG difference
Is that the WR in question has size and speed with great hands. Roy had Size and good hands but no speed. Charlie had speed and hands and good size, until he got hurt he was looking like he was going to be the WR that we needed to be legit. This kid we are talking about has been compared to Calvin Johnson a ton, he has everything that you can want in a WR, Size/hands/speed/ and a willingness to give up his body to get the ball. With that being said I would not mind seeing us draft him but not at #2 overall. We need too many other positions to draft him at #2.I’m all about going after the LT from Colorado, like I said last week this is probably the last time we draft this high for a long time and if we don’t get the franchise LT in this draft we are going to suffer for a long time since we have Backus on the verge of retirement.Nate Solder is 6’8" 315lbs and is the only T in the up coming draft that can run the 40 under 5.0. His strength is the only concern right now cause I don’t know what he can bench but the guy is a mauler in the 2 games I have seen them play in. If we don’t take him then Prince Amukamara has got to be the pick since in most mock drafts he is rated in the top 5 in most mock drafts and we could sure use a 6’0 CB that has the ball skills that he has. Other than him all of the top picks are DE’s and I’m not against us drafting 1 of those either since KVB is probably only going to be around another 3 years or so.Rev if you want to go after Vick then why not draft LUCK out of Stanford we would then have 2 top notch QB’s that are both young and have simular characteristics.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I thought this was a joke and you were talking about the former forward from the Lakers
no can do on taking another 1st round wideout
with still big holes to fill, unless we are trading back and gaining picks or proven players at positions of need
maybe after next yrs draft, we’ll have luxury of going for WR
in first round of the year after that
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Dec 7, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Forget Vick
Not an option at all so why even talk about it.
by MonteCarlo7888 on Nov 26, 2010 11:21 PM EST reply actions
No..
I doubt he would come here. I’d be surprised if he wanted to be a back-up elsewhere. If anything, he’d look for a starting job somewhere.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
Vick would be legendary...
just don’t think it’ll happen. I also think that Stafford could be the same legendary player if Detroit put’s some protection around him.
(STOMP,STOMP,CLAP) LAKESIDE... (STOMP, STOMP,CLAP) WE COMING... BEST PRE-GAME CHANT EVER... (DEDICATED TO MY BOYS)
or if Stafford MANed up and put on 15 lbs of Muscle on his Shoulders and Chest.
Start Acting and Looking like a 50 million $$$ Athlete.
8====D my lil' j16941
If it adds padding around his glass shoulders
Hell yes.
Bye Bye Schwartz. Sooner or later, you are gone. Preferably sooner.
because Jay cutler and rogers are sooooo bulky
that argument holds no water. also if you have shoulder injurries and try to hammer the muscles around them to “bulk up” you ussually get MORE SHOULDER INJURIES WORKING OUT THAN PLAYING FOOTBALL!
I have a 9" personality
by Waitingfortheroar on Nov 28, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
really
I have had two shoulder operations and was told Physical therapy and strengthening the muscles around my shoulders would help keep them healthier. Where do you get this stuff?
What do Cutler and Rogers have to do with anything?
I like Cheese and I also Like Cookies. If you don't. Wow. :P
I agree that exercise...
helps…but the muscles that would make one appear ripped (a la Brady Quinn) do not strengthen the muscles that would protect Stafford’s shoulder. So appearance has nothing to do with injury prevention.
by lions_sucker on Nov 29, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
By protection, do you mean putting him in a bubble?
Then we could change his nickname from China Doll to Bubble Boy!
It was 3rd & 7; Delhomme dropped to pass
"Man, I hope, I don't get knocked on my ass"
He felt twisting and clawing, "When will it stop?"
Then SUH ripped his head off, like a bottle of pop!!
Yeah, I'm a Lions fan
WOW, IS ANYONE WATCHING THE BOISE ST. NEV. GAME?
Mathews just took it TO THE HOUSE!
8====D my lil' j16941
Here is the dilemma I see...
So we give Matthew Stafford one more year to prove that he can stay healthy and actually BE our franchise QB? I am all for that idea. However, if a guy like Vick DOES hit the open market, do you NOT make a play for him just because you have a young kid who you THINK is the future of your team? Do you pass on Michael Vick for a SECOND time, just to be absolutely SURE that Matthew Stafford is your guy, or do you get some insurance? If I were Mayhew, I would try to sell Vick on the potential that HE could end up as our franchise QB, on a team that is definitely on the rise. I could care less if it ended up being Stafford, Vick, and Stanton. I think if you can get Vick, you should have no problem losing Shaun Hill.
I realize that the likelihood of us getting Vick is slim…but I want to see the Lions go for it.
It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. ~William G. McAdoo
Vick would only sign if he was guaranteed the starting job...
and that aint gonna happen.
It was 3rd & 7; Delhomme dropped to pass
"Man, I hope, I don't get knocked on my ass"
He felt twisting and clawing, "When will it stop?"
Then SUH ripped his head off, like a bottle of pop!!
Yeah, I'm a Lions fan
Probably...
But anything is possible.
It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. ~William G. McAdoo
I don't see Vick...
hitting the open market. Kolb is going to be the one going, and the Eagles could trade him to a team like the 49’ers and get a boatload of picks. The 49’ers biggest need is a QB, so the draft picks wouldn’t be an issue.
And if anything, I think they get Vick under a contract for one more season and then he gets traded. No way the Eagles just let Vick walk. He won’t be worth it to us in that scenario, as I’m sure multiple draft picks would be needed. In the slim chance that he becomes a free agent, I don’t see him coming to the Lions. He would go to a team like Minnesota or who knows, maybe Dallas gets a new coach and wants a new QB.
How is it ignorant?
Do you know what ignorant means?
“Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated”.
What knowledge is there to lack? That Vick will be a free agent? That there is a possibility, given the fact that Andy Reid believes Kevin Kolb is a franchise QB, that Vick WILL hit the open market? That there is a possibility that the Lions COULD make Vick an offer in the event that he does test the FA waters?
What awareness do I lack? That it is unlikely that Vick will hit the open market? That it is unlikely that he would come to Detroit? Unlikely does not = no chance.
You truly think I am uneducated or unsophisticated? You truly believe I lack knowledge or awareness? I think it is much more likely that you dislike the fact that I can burn you down intellectually without even making an effort, and you come in to my post to make a truly ignorant comment just to see what kind of shit you can stir up. You also like to call others here arrogant, and yet you like to presume to know that these people think of themselves as “legends in their own minds”. By definition, arrogance is an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions. So who is arrogant now?
Your overbearing manner simply comes under the guise of passive negativity and outright indifference, while you make presumptuous claims about the intents and purposes of other people’s opinions and words yourself. You can’t stand it when anyone opposes your opinion, so much so that you REFUSE to post original thought on this forum. Then you try to pass blame, for your own shortcomings, onto others by saying that these “legends in their own mind” or “sunshiners” always shoot your opinions down as “silly” or in some other manner. And you have the blatant audacity to call my ideas “ignorant”? You are the EPITOME of arrogant AND ignorant, and it is nothing short of ironic that you believe yourself to be above the very people which you condemn on this site.
It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. ~William G. McAdoo
Steve Wyche must be an ignorant and arrogant "legend in his own mind" too right?
If Vick plays well and gets the Eagles to the playoffs, there will be a lot of teams willing to pay him some of the millions he lost during his time behind bars. Philadelphia might have to pony up or end up facing him.
With Kolb as their quarterback.
So there is NO chance that the Eagles might not want, or be able, to “pony up” to re-sign Michael Vick, and NO chance that the Lions might be one of those teams that are willing to pay Vick big money? Perhaps not…but I am willing to bet that it COULD happen. Anything is possible.
It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. ~William G. McAdoo
Vick
I don’t think Vick is a terrible idea. But here are a few things to keep in mind:
(1) Vick has demonstrated this season that he is the superior option in Philadelphia, which makes it much more likely that he’ll never hit the open market
(2) If Michael Vick is worth considering for the Lions, he’s going to be worth considering for 10 other teams
(3) If the above is true, then there is going to be competition for Vick. Lots of it. Which means a bidding war, which means you’ll have to pay two QBs substantial money. No discounts here.
(4) If there’s competition for Vick, there will be starting jobs available to Vick. He’ll take less money on a short-term deal for the prospects of signing a longer deal at big money a year later. There just is no realistic way both Vick and Stafford make sense on a team where Vick is not the starter.
Like I said, I like the idea of Vick, but I just don’t think it’ll have a chance of working out that way.
MonteCarlo
Lol u a fuckin idiot sayin grab aj green with our number 1 pick we have way to many needs that need to be filled
Laugh it up
Look at Arizona without Boldin. With another big threat wideout it forces a philosophy change in how to attack the Lions by opposing defensive coordinators and only an elite reciever opposite of CJ will force that. The real problem wasn’t drafting the WR it was who they chose and the fact Millen drafted for a position player with a certian build and not the BPA at that spot in the draft. With the players he wanted he could have traded down and still got them along with other picks or players. Mayhew understands this but Millen was a moron. Mike Williams should never have been drafted. A talented guy who was a year removed from football and to top it off was out of shape too. Sounds like a 3rd round guy at best to me not #6. Charles Rodgers was just a bust so let it go. San Diego let the Ryan Leaf drafting go and moved on to draft a QB again. I guess sense we had Roy Williams we should never have drafted CJ. Your a moron to be so close minded. So in my opinion wether or not you agree with it or not AJ Green may be the BPA where ever we end up and IMO has the greatest talent outside of Patrick Peterson other than QB at the top of this draft class. Opposing S will never be able to cheat towards CJ and the run again. AJ is a character guy with all the talent in the world and the work ethic to go with it. That is quite the departure from our busts at WR. I guess depth is dumb too though in case, I don’t know, an injury occurs at a position without any depth. Guess what if we don’t need him? Make a trade and rape someone who does to build our own depth (AKA Roy Williams). On second thought we should have never of drafted CJ because we already had Roy therefore raping Dallas should never had been an option. You don’t even understand the BPA concept. To me your a fuckin idiot.
by MonteCarlo7888 on Nov 29, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Monte
Although I agree 100% about Green aka little megatron; You are WAY OFF on Boldin being the reason the Cards are this poor. It has everything to do with NO QB throwing the ball in Arizona. While i would be happy to see another SCARY target for Staff to throw too, we need a LT (think colorado) and other positions more than we need another WR. ILB so that Levy can slide back outside, a shutdown CB (Prince from Neb.) would be nice too see in the first round. But like you did say if this FO holds to form then BPA will be who we draft and that will be 1 of 3 positions WR like you have said;CB cause Prince is all that and a bag of chips; or 1 of 2 DE’s that are being talked about on an extremely high level. After the first round I think we are going to target ILB or O-line specifically C/G but who knows thats a long ways away and we still have a FA period before that so some of these holes may(WILL) be filled already by then.
How many lumps you want Doc?
No to Vick
I won’t say anything bad about his abilities as a QB he is playing great and I won’t be-grudge him a job somewhere else, but hell no I don’t want his sick dog torturing and murdering ass anywhere near our Lions. Some things shouldn’t just be excused or written off because someone can entertain you.
He paid his dues man
It’s time to forgive him and move on in my opinion.
It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. ~William G. McAdoo
Convicted felons have no place in the national spotlight.
I put that up for any player in any sport. If you have been convicted of a major crime I will boo you mercilessly, and immediately hate any team that signs your criminal ass to any sort of contract.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Nov 28, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it...
But I disagree.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....Yeah? Time you shut your cake hole Yoko. -Chris Farley, Dirty Work.
And you are entitled to disagree with me.
However, I also have to disagree that he’s paid his dues. The average penalty for animal cruelty that leads to the death of a single animal is two years in prison. Michael Vick killed at least four dogs, which would mean around eight years in prison. Community service and a slap on the wrist from the NFL is not “paying your dues,” nor is it the first time an NFL player has gotten off basically scott free because of his fame. It won’t be the last time either.
I don’t want to just blame the NFL though, because it happens in every sport. Really, the problem lies in the justice system, and the unfortunate tendency for the judge and jury to be starstruck whenever a celebrity is involved in a trial. If the NFL and the US Justice System really wanted to put a curb to athletes involved in crime, they would start handing out stiffer penalties, enforcing maximum sentences and longer bans from the sport in question. After a few players derail their careers completely, I guarantee you notice a decline in athlete-related crime.
Now, I don’t want to be seen like I’m hating on Vick alone, my major beef right now is with Roethlisberger. Vick at least is acting apologetic, and I have to begrudgingly give him some respect for that. “Big Ben” on the other hand, is slowly going out of control. Goodell is not helping matters, and he seems a little too soft on the suspensions he hands out. Six games seemed a little light, but respectable, after Roethlisberger’s sexual assault last offseason, but he keeps reducing the suspensions after he dishes them out. I simply can’t take any of his punishments seriously anymore, he’s like the dad who grounds his teenage kid, and then doesn’t enforce the punishment. This is one of the few times I favor Selig over Goodell, when Selig issues a suspension for off-field issues, he sticks to the ban.
I apologize for the long post, but this is something I feel very strongly about.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Nov 28, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Was Rapelisberger convicted?
I am not sure he was. I do not agree with killing and torturing dogs, or any animal for that matter, either…but he had no prior criminal record. The penalties you speak of are maximum sentences. I imagine he got off at what you consider light, because it was the first time he had ever been in any trouble with the law. He went from never going to jail in his life, straight to prison…and even though he was at club fed, I still bet it sucked. I have made mistakes in my life. Granted they are not on that scope, but they were bad enough that it took me years to regain the trust of my family, and gain their forgiveness. I am thankful for that forgiveness, and I learned a hard lesson. I believe Michael Vick has also learned his lesson.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....Yeah? Time you shut your cake hole Yoko. -Chris Farley, Dirty Work.
The difference is magnitude.
Vick basically ran a canine version of Auschwitz, that’s not something I can easily forgive.
And no, Rapelisberger was not convicted, but neither was OJ.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Nov 28, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Auschwitz is a stretch i would say...
i mean you act like he invented dog fighting… its been going on for 1000s of years and is still legal in some parts of the world. yes its horrible but animals fighting is nothing new, the crazy part is that there is people betting on it and figuring ways out to make money off of it.
There is crazier stuff going on in the world than michael vick making a living playing in the NFL
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
He may not have invented it
But he was RUNNING one of the biggest dog fighting rings in the south. And I have been very open about wanting him to get his legs broke in multiple places, and not able to play football ever again.I was one of the happiest people around when the 2 Washington defenders F’ed him up. And REV I would not want Vick either like I said up above if you want an insurance policy on Staff then lets go draft LUCK out of Stanford. He’s a big kid with a cannon for an arm, can run better than most when pressed too and he can take a hit.Add that to he is like 8 years younger than Vick, both are going to get around the same money so why take the older guy.
How many lumps you want Doc?
+100 thats's what I feel
Just because someone serves their court appointed sentence does not mean that a heinous and vile act has to be forgiven. And even though I find Vick a loathsome excuse for a human I don’t begrudge him a job on another team. As for convicted felons a lot crimes that are considered felonies can be forgiven after serving their time a perfect example is Ron LeFlore , but not everyone. If Vick wasn’t a QB in the NFL you wouldn’t be supporting him you wouldn’t want him to be your children s teacher your doctor your mail man or next door neighbor.
If Barry Sanders who I love and respect did those things I would have wanted him run out of town on a rail never to return
by spicymchaggis on Nov 28, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I don’t care who you are or what team you play for, if you commit a violent felony you do not deserve the kind of recognition being a player in the NFL gives you.
I’ll be honest though, if he really is working with the FBI to break up dogfighting rings then he’s earned my respect back, I just don’t want him in the NFL.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Nov 28, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
there are shittier people in the NFL than Mike Vick...
you act like he is running for prez he is playing in the NFL where its all about the money baby… Vick is bringing in the money for the NFL
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
Convicted felons are humans too.
You treat people who have been convicted of crimes like they’re lower class citizens. That is hateful, learn to forgive. They did their time.
CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.
Except they didn't
And they are lower class citizens, they’re convicted felons, and especially in Vick’s case, violent convicted felons.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Nov 28, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
but a guy doing Steriods and choking women deserves to play still???
Or how about running over and killing a man while driving intoxicated, who deserves to be in the NFL and who doesnt
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
Gyorick
None of them deserve the right/prileledge to play in the NFL not even RAY LEWIS should have been allowed back after he shot that guy in the night club all those years ago. And you are right Stallworth should not have been allowed back in either, and as for Ben Rapelessburger he was never convicted even if we all beleave he did it he was never convicted so he is the 1 player who has the pass from me. . . . .for now. Something else the dog fighting ring wasn’t like that was his first offence at being a dick head since becoming a professional, that was like his 3rd offence with the conduct policy since turning pro and he had issues as the college level as well, so NO HE SHOULDN’t have been reinstated.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Vick did his time.
Your opinion is hateful and extreme. You would be a terrifying politician.
CLF was right. Stanton should be starting, and Hill can’t do anything until he’s behind in the fourth quarter.
Mavyrk
So you are saying that a guy that has broke the conduct policy multiple times should just keep getting free pass’s time and time and time again. I’m all about giving someone a extra chance but we are talking about a guy who had more than 3 offences since becoming a professional, not too mention that he had issues while still in school. So let me be a killer do my time get out of jail and rob a bank, do my tether time and then go and beat the shit out of a prostitute, do my time again then start selling drugs on a large scale do my time again……..you see where I’m going with this. Vick is a multiple offender plain and simple but because 1 man (DUNGY) said he saw remorse in him everything is forgotten. SCREW THAT! Yeah I’d bet 100% of the people locked up would feel remorse if they new that they could get a reduced sentence and a job making multiple millions when they got out!
How many lumps you want Doc?
boy hope you have never done anything your ashamed off at any level... and what constitutes as a major crime
I mean dog fighting is horrible thing and am i in no way condoning it but atleast he isnt killing humans beings and putting other human beings in danger.
Ravens have a murder on the roster, Bucs Broncs Colts Jets have people getting arrested for DUI in the last 2 months…
Saints Will Smith arrested of Domestic Abuse, Browns multiple DUIs plus Shaun Rogers tries to board a plane with a gun, Titans Vince Young assault, Dolphins phillip merling aggravated battery,
NOT TO MENTION OUR OWN PREZ WAS ARRESTED ON SUSPICION OF DUI
Just keeps repeating itself Battery, assault, drugs and drunk driving not sure who you cheer for but ya keep on keeping on
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
Big difference
from DUI to all the other things that you just mentioned. over 75% of americans drink on a regular basis(I drink about 1 time a year). And I’m not saying that getting drunk and getting behind the wheel of a 2 ton weapon is different from shooting a guy or running a dog fighting ring, cause it still breaking the law, so is smoking a fatty like I use to love too do, but how can you sit there and say that one is on the same level as the other 2? Killing someone or an animal in such a hanus(?) manor is completely different than getting drunk and trying to get home. . . .at least until you kill someone, or mame them to the point that they can’t ever walk again.
How many lumps you want Doc?
not saying that getting drunk and getting behind the wheel of a 2 ton weapon is different from shooting a guy
Big difference. The intent of the item itself. One is transportation the other is for shooting things.
The other side of the story is forgiveness is easier when it has nothing to do with you. Have someone severally hurt a person in your family and see how quick you are to forgive. Just because the person serves their court assign punishment doesn’t mean all is forgot.
by LeyandsMarlboros on Nov 29, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
My Dad was murdered
And you are right…I’ll never wholly forgive the people who beat him…but in a way I already have forgiven them. I have chosen to let God handle their judgment. If not for some semblance of forgiveness, I may have stooped to their level and taken out some hard core vigilante justice…something like Patrick Swayze in Next of Kin.
None of this matters in the larger scope of things…that’s pretty much all I am saying.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....Yeah? Time you shut your cake hole Yoko. -Chris Farley, Dirty Work.
REV I understand what you said
Marlboros man I am not forgiving Vick period, I dislike him I wish him many broken bones and many head injuries every single week. As a matter of fact it sickens me and I turn the TV to another chanell every damn time 1 of the pregame shows starts to talk about Vick in a “enlightened” kind of way. But hey that’s just me, a regular guy that knows if it was me or you that got caught doing what Vick did we would still be locked up, not living large making millions of dollars.I guess I’m also pissed off at the Justice system for having double standards when it comes to Fu@# ups that have fame and money and the common person.
How many lumps you want Doc?
If the Lions sign Micheal Vick
Then I am done with football. I won’t cheer for another team, but I will no longer be a Lions fan.
If I was your math homework I'd be really hard and you'd be doing me on your desk.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
I have no issue with Vick
but I have an issue with us paying him as much as the best QB’s in the game (which is what he’s sure to ask for and receive) when A) he’s only played at this elite level for a single season (don’t tell me he was elite back in the ATL days because he wasn’t, he was inaccurate as all hell and made poor decisions on a very consistent basis) and B) we have a QB two years removed from being the first overall pick.
I understand people being frustrated with Staff’s injury situation, but we have invested a no. 1 pick and a TON of money into him. Giving up on him after two seasons doesn’t really make any sense to me. Now, if Staff receives another major injury next year and misses at least, say, six games, then I may at the end of said season be willing to come to grips with his durability issues. For now, let’s stick with the kid with the golden arm whom we’ve already invested millions upon millions of dollars into.
I am not giving up on Stafford
I just want a sure fire winner in town, in case Stafford can’t stay healthy. Sorry, but Shaun Hill is not a sure fire winner.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....Yeah? Time you shut your cake hole Yoko. -Chris Farley, Dirty Work.
There's no way he's going to take a backup gig on the Lions
There are half a dozen teams he could actually be the starting QB for and another dozen superbowl contenders who would love to have him as a back-up/situational QB. I’d put our chances of getting him right at slim to none, even if we tried hard.
by WestsideLionsFan on Nov 28, 2010 11:54 PM EST reply actions
I'd say that depends on what we were willing to pay
Money talks and BS walks.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....Yeah? Time you shut your cake hole Yoko. -Chris Farley, Dirty Work.
My question to you would be, would you be in favor of paying him starting QB money to be our backup?
Knowing all of the huge contracts we are already carrying around with Stafford, CJ, Suh, etc.
by WestsideLionsFan on Nov 29, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
That depends on how confident I am in Stafford being able to stay healthy
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
We've sorta had this debate before
Personally, I think Vick got what he deserved. I didn’t like him much and didn’t think he should’ve deserved a second oppertunity, but I feel he has truly changed. Go back and look at his interviews before this whole thing: he used to be brash, arrogant and cocky. Now, he is far more humble and truly appreciates playing in the NFL.
PS: There is no way the Lions get Vick. If there is one team I would like him to end up in, it would be the the Titans
The beginning of the end of the misery
You're probably right
But one can dream…I just wish they had gone after him when Philadelphia did.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH....Yeah? Time you shut your cake hole Yoko. -Chris Farley, Dirty Work.
Why not...
focus some energy on the offensive line and defensive back seven and see what Stafford does this season. If he gets hurt again, draft a QB in the first round and keep building the Oline and defense. The QB will be able to step in and pull a Sanchez (meaning, we don’t need someone that talented and they could be brought along with baby steps) and we will not be that far behind.
At that point, I’m sure you could re-negotiate Stafford’s contract to reflect the injuries or trade him to a team that will take on his contract for the possibility of him staying healthy. I think if our Oline is upgraded from inconsistently mediocre to good we have a run game and our QB would light teams up.
I’m thinking Stafford has just been unlucky and, as everyone has pointed out, injuries happen. There is no reason that Stafford could not come back and not miss more than 2-3 games over the next 10 seasons. At that point, a guy like Hill is perfect, because he is a team player, will help groom another young guy that we may draft in the late rounds, and can manage a game and hold on to a lead late in a game in case of injury.
With all the talented QB's that are coming out this year
Why not just draft 1 later in the draft and groom him, I mean Prior isn’t even on the second string of the big 10’s top dogs and he was a Heisman candidate going into this season and ends up being the 4th or 5th best QB in the Big 10, and thats just the BIG 10. The Pack 10 has 2 of the most touted QB’s coming out this year and then there’s the SEC with Mr. Wonderful from Auburn, I mean there is going to be some quality QB’s getting drafted in the middle to late rounds in this up coming draft.
How many lumps you want Doc?
So you can forgive Cam Newton
but not Vick?? Cam Newton?
But he cheated on a test. And I heard they cut down trees for the paper that he used. Do they have no morals in Florida?
If you can't spell practise write, then dont repond!
If We cdould get Michael Vick to be our quarterback next year, I think it would be the best running game we had since Barry Sanders
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
That's what I am talking about
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
I want a million dollars....There we go, Vick coming to the Lions and me winning a mil, the odds are about even.
The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.
I'd take the Lotto over Vick LoL, sorry but I need the cash ;)
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
Oh BTW did I mention that Zac Robinson is a bit of a poor mans Vick? ;)
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
a broke ass man's
no credit, no shopping cart for recycling cans
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Dec 7, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
For all the Vick Lovers
Tomarrow I will post all of his screwups since his last collegent game, If anyone else gets a Sports Ill. they will know that last week the Magazine not only put his face on the cover but did a write up on Mr. Ron Mexico and I will bring it to my cousins and put up all of his little acts of kindness since his last college game. Starting with the falled drug test at the combines, not a biggy since so many other “stars” have also failed to pass the urine test that they know they have to take.
How many lumps you want Doc?

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