Lions Claim Quarterback Zac Robinson, Release Cody Wallace
by Sean Yuille on Nov 9, 2010 10:49 PM EST
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PrintEarlier today, the Lions signed kicker Dave Rayner and released cornerback Jonathan Wade. Those weren't the only moves they made today, though. Later in the day, the Lions released center Cody Wallace and claimed quarterback Zac Robinson off waivers.
Wallace was signed to Detroit's practice squad in September and was released a week and a half later. He then signed with the Jets' practice squad about 10 days later. 10 days after that move, he was signed to the Lions' active roster. Detroit released him today, right after playing the Jets, which I'm sure was no coincidence. Players signed from another team's practice squad do have to spend three weeks on the 53-man roster, so that's why he was released now, but I'm sure it was no coincidence that they signed him when they did.
Robinson is a rookie from Oklahoma State. He was drafted by the Patriots in the seventh round and was signed to the Seahawks' practice squad after the final round of roster cuts. He was activated to Seattle's 53-man roster last week to serve as the backup quarterback with Matt Hasselbeck out. Seattle released him, likely with the hope of sneaking him through waivers and back onto their practice squad. The Lions put in a claim for him, though, meaning he will be headed to Detroit rather than staying in Seattle.
What this shows to me is that Matthew Stafford will not be placed on injured reserve, at least not yet. As far as I know, Wallace was released to make room for Robinson. Unless the Lions made another move that hasn't been reported yet, Robinson has joined the team as the fourth quarterback on the roster, so Stafford hasn't been shelved just yet.
This move also suggests that Shaun Hill will not be ready for Sunday's game. If Hill were healthy enough to play, the Lions wouldn't necessarily need to add another quarterback to the team. By claiming Robinson, however, Drew Stanton would have a backup in case he goes down. Obviously Robinson will only be able to learn so much of the playbook before Sunday, but the Lions need a healthy backup, which is likely why this move was made.
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transition to seahawks now complete
$^#! matthew stafford
(get well soon)
((can surgery repair “luck?”))
Seattle must be a little pissed. I love that city but I hate Pete Carroll, so I chuckled.
Anybody here know anything about Robinson?
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
I like this move...
Wasn’t sure exactly who he was, so did a little research. He’s like 5th all time QB Rat. 3rd OSU alltime, had 3 100 yrd rushing games.
NCAA’s Fifth-Ranked Active Career Passer (155.3)
No. 5 Rated Passer In 2008 (166.8)
No. 16 Nationally in 2008 In Points Responsible For (15.54)
No. 2 Nationally In Career Total Offense Per Play (7.7)
OSU Career Record Holder In Total Offense (7,786)
Second All-Time At OSU In Passing Yards (6,223)
OSU Single-Season Record Holder Completion Pct. (65.0 in 2008)
Had a record-breaking junior season in his first year as the wire-to-wire starter … Became the first Cowboy quarterback to start every game in a season since Donovan Woods in 2004 … Is already all over the OSU record books with another full season to play … Is second all-time at OSU in passing yards (6,223) … Holds the school record for career total offense (7,786) … Is third all-time at OSU in touchdown passes with 51 – just four shy of the school record held by Josh Fields … His 2008 season statistics place him second on the single-season passing yards list with 3,064 and second on touchdown passes list with 25 … His 3,626 yards of total offense in 2008 is second all-time at OSU only to his school record of 3,671 yards set in 2007 … Robinson has 1,553 career rushing yards to rank second all-time among OSU quarterbacks and No. 23 in school history, regardless of position … In 2007 he was one of just three quarterbacks (joining Tim Tebow as the only other BCS conference quarterback) to run for 800 yards and pass for at least 2,800 yards … Already holds OSU single-game records for total offense and passing (both set against Texas in 2007 with 486 yards of total offense and 430 passing yards) … His 395 yards against Iowa State in 2008 ranks as the fourth best game ever by a Cowboy … Has three 100-yard rushing games in his career … Has five 300-yard passing games in his career to tie Josh Fields for the OSU record … Offensive MVP of the 2007 Insight Bowl … Set an OSU single-season record by completing 65 percent of his passes in 2008 to best Mike Gundy’s mark of 64.8 set in 1988 … Will enter his senior season as the NCAA’s fifth-rated career active passer …
Hot prospect going into last season...
…but took a few steps backwards as a Senior and fell off the draft map in a big way. As far as freely available young talent goes, this a pretty decent pick-up.
I should also point out that the steps backwards he took were after the suspension of Dez Bryant last season.
Fun Fact: He’s the quarterback who assumed the starting job after the infamous “I’m a man, I’m 40!” rant.
nice background info- that rant is hilarious
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
well I guess that
means he will always stare down the number one option. good thing thats a not a horrible option here.
I have a 9" personality
by Waitingfortheroar on Nov 9, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Could Pettigrew leaving be part of his fall off?
I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid. - Terry Bradshaw
by Enforcer on Nov 10, 2010 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He played with three studs in ’08, Pettigrew, Bryant and Hunter.
in ’09 Pettigrew left for the NFL, Bryant got suspended, and Hunter got hurt. Robinson went on to play pretty badly.
Is it a case of elite talent making the man, or is it the case that any QB will struggle without his three best targets? Is it somewhere in the middle?
Only one way to find out.
It shouldn't matter.
Pro level CJ, Burleson, Best, Pettigrew, Scheffler > college level grew bryant hunter
Regardless of the answer to your question, I think we have the weapons to make any QB shine regardless.
That was my thinking as well
Accuracy is a funny thing. On one hand, you need to be more accurate in the pros because defenders are better, but on the other hand you don’t need to be as accurate in the pros because receivers are better.
I watched a lot of OSU the last few years. He keeps his eyes downfield and isn’t afraid to go for the big play, but he puts it up for grabs a lot. With good receivers that resulted in a high completion percentage and tons of yardage, but iwth bad receivers it resulted in lots of incompletions and picks.
The Lions wideouts should be able to win those 50/50 balls if Robisnon ever gets a chance.
Nevertheless, I expect nothing at all out of him this year. If they can keep him around I see him replacing Stanton in the future though.
This is all great...
but hopefully, we won’t have to find out if he can play with all of the offensive weapons. My assumption at this point is that Stanton would have to get hurt during the game this week for Robinson to play, as next week, God willing, Hill will be back.
This is cut and pasted from walterfootball.com ...
Zac Robinson, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.62.
Combine 40 Time: 4.71.
Hand: 9.
Projected Round (2010): 5-6.
1/31/10: Zac Robinson was the best quarterback on the field at the Senior Bowl. He led a touchdown drive for the South at the end of the first half, and he was really the only signal-caller on both sides who looked like he was in complete control.
1/27/10: The best quarterback on the field for the South team during Tuesday’s practice wasn’t Tim Tebow. Zac Robinson really impressed. Details available in the 2010 Senior Bowl section.
1/15/10: Zac Robinson struggled without Dez Bryant, managing 15 touchdowns, 12 interceptions and a 59.8 completion percentage on a 6.9 YPA.
2/4/09: Zac Robinson registered 3,064 yards, 25 touchdowns and just 10 picks in a prolific season for Oklahoma State. Robinson also completed 65 percent of his passes and maintained an amazing 9.8 YPA.
7/24/08: Don’t worry – this Oklahoma State quarterback doesn’t break down and cry if he’s called a “momma’s boy.” Zac Robinson put up impressive seasonal numbers (2,824 yards, 23 TDs, 9 INTs), but was a bit inconsistent at times, failing to complete more than 50 percent of his passes on four occasions.
by damnitdamnitdamnit on Nov 9, 2010 11:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So maybe...
He is good if not inconsistent, but the fact that he was at the senior bowl and excelled leads me to believe he is coachable, which is something that Schwartz and Linehan both like and would have had a chance to see.
by damnitdamnitdamnit on Nov 9, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Nice research ddd.
Who knows, the kid may have some upside and is worth keeping around as a third stringer in 2011. Saves a late draft pick in 2011, ’cause we know what Mayhew likes to do with those.
I remember seeing a few plays during the pre-season
Seems to be a smart player. But as you can guess. Needs alot of time to get up to NFL speed.
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Oklahoma State?
So he threw to Pettigrew, and helped make him a first round pick? Mayhew again looking in unlikely places. Nice, I hope.
by DetroitDefense on Nov 9, 2010 11:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
And Dez Bryant
But, I personally think that it was Dez, Grew and Hunter that made Zach good… not the other way around unfortunatly.
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
That's great for us though.
Considering we have the best TE package, a top five WR, and an amazing receiving RB.
He was Pettigrews QB in college
so he should have a rapport with one of the main weapons allready
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I'd rather have a good QB prospect than what signing Wade yielded.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
or even Wallace.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
Thought he was a pat?
I like this grab..Zac was good at OSU I think he has promise as atleast a good backup. It gives us depth until Hill is ready to go. I doubt we keep him long but who knows. It sounds like the Lions will not have surgery on Matt which I disagree with. They do hope he will play yet this year..Cross your fingers Mayhew this is a risky call.
Did I mention..I love the Phonz!
I don't think Stafford was rushed back. I just think he has bad luck and isn't real durable.
He told everyone he felt pretty much 100%. Favre was banged up, 40, and got sacked quite a bit last year. Only in the 2nd half of 2010 are injuries threatening to keep him off field. Roethlesberger got sacked like it was his job last year, and he missed one or two games with a concussion. Stafford is delicate. He is talented and tough, but his body is delicate. Go have surgery, take the rest of the season off. I’m still very skeptical but I hope it works out.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
I wanna shoot myself
Matt never had issues. He was always healthy accept one freak accident. He has an amazing tallent. Next year he better be wearing 1981 shoulderpads. please matt please?
I have a 9" personality
by Waitingfortheroar on Nov 10, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Man Up
He is going to need a VERY GOOD training program to get the toughness he needs. Our line hasn’t done bad this year but he keeps taking those hits the wrong way. The difference between Favre and Rothlesberger is that they know how to take a hit and how to fall down. Matt needs someone to work on his falling ability. Maybe a Judo class or some ballet would be good for him.
+1
I took Judo for quite a while, and you can twist your body in mid air to land better even when being held in most tackles. Though the hit that Romo took would of been a 50/50 chance even with good training.
by coolbreeze42 on Nov 10, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yea because
Delicate players win a game with 1 second on the clock with a seperated shoulder. He is tough Delicate far from it. I think he just has a bad shoulder right now it will be adressed in the off-season I hope. Maybe change his training regiment a little. But the Name Matt stafford and delicate just don’t belong together. Call me wrong if you guys like but I still have to put blame on the trainning staff. Stafford is just one of MANY guys being hurt continually..The only diffrence is he is the QB and his injurys are keeping him off the field.
Did I mention..I love the Phonz!
by The Profiler on Nov 10, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Robinson
I said “Zac who?” when I saw this reported on Roto so I had to look into him a bit. They had him listed as likely to switch positions in the pros to either S or WR since he doesn’t have “NFL-caliber quarterback tools” but does have overall athleticism.
I just hope they aren’t gambling further with Staffords’ long term health by not having him operated on if that is what is needed. We’ll see…
Another interesting note, I see that Joique Bell was waived (likely due to head to PS) by the Eagles today. He’s the type of back we need imo. If they were to make a move on him, which is highly unlikely imo, who would have to go tho?
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
he has a NFL arm and a college abillity
to read defenses. that just what I see. Hopefully we can get him to read a bit better.
I have a 9" personality
by Waitingfortheroar on Nov 10, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
ZAC
“Robinson began the season with a win over Georgia, throwing for 135 yards and two touchdowns. However, his season took a turn when Cowboys running back Kendall Hunter suffered an injury and was sidelined for a good portion of the season while wide receiver Dez Bryant, who became a first round pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, was suspended for the rest of the season, breaking up what Rivals.com had coined the “Best Offensive Trio of 2009.”
Zac Robinson. (2010, November 10). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 05:29, November 10, 2010, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zac_Robinson&oldid=395884612
He knows how to play with talent and the Lions certainly have that. Hill is a great backup and I hope he gets healthy, but if Robinson makes a good effort to learn the play book we might be able to cut Stanton FINALLY!!! I like tough competition for the starting job.
Sounds like Stanton is prepping to be the starter in Buffalo.
I can almost hear the dedicated Lions fans turning to the 2011 Draft sites as I type.
Just draft Luck in the 1st round and get it over with
just kidding… I do like Andrew Luck though!
All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....
by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
I Like Zac
He is on par in talent with guys that you might recognize more, Jonathan Crompton and Levi Brown. He is right there with those guys. Of the three quarterbacks Crompton is the best pure pocket passer, Brown is a middle of the road guy that can pass or run, and Zac is the epitome of a mobile quarterback.
Zac has serious athleticism and if he takes off he can make Michael Vick like plays. No he is not quite the phenom that Vick was but he is just a step off that. In many ways he is like Drew Stanton in that regard, he can make plays with his feet. Where he differs is that he has a much better arm than Drew’s noodle. It will be interesting to see him develop and IMO this is a sign that Stafford will get put on IR for the year.
When you claim a PS guy from another team he must go on your 53. This is a signal at the very least to me that Stafford is going out be out for a long time. If Stafford was just going to miss a week or two the Lions would have picked up a veteran that could step right in and play, any of the UFL guys would fit that mark more than Zac. Because we have went with a young guy like this not only does it signal that Stafford will be out for a long time it signals a couple of other things.
First, Drew Stanton will not be around long term. He will be let go next year IMO. Secondly I believe this is good insurance for next year, in case Stafford continues to be an injury magnet. If the Lions keep this guy he is young and promising and a nice cheap option to develop in case Stafford busts due to injuries.
Just so people don’t get too over hyped here is a good scouting report on Zac.
Robinson is a two-year starter that has shown the ability to lead his team and put points on the scoreboard, but is not a classic pocket passer that can make all the throws needed for the next level. He has adequate arm strength but compensates with a live arm that allows him to get the ball out quickly and does not give defenders a lot of time to get a jump on his throws. He needs work on going through his progressions and looking defenders off and will force too many passes causing more interceptions than he should throw. He is athletic and can extend the pocket or throw the ball on the move but will likely never be more than a second or third quarterback on an NFL team.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/zac-robinson?id=497127
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I think Zac is a lot like LeFevour
Maybe with a little stronger arm and a little less running vision
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
I really hope we give this guy at least a few snaps to see what he has. (unless the game is on the line).
I really like the idea that we are already looking at developing a QB with potential. If he shows promise, than we won’t have to draft a QB in the early rounds next year.
i think we still should look at drafting or trading for a qb
Schwartz needs wins, Stanton likely cannot provide those, neither could robinson in the now. which may cost schwartz his job before too long. We need to win big next season.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
careful
Saying we need to win next year in order for Schwartz to save his job is considered heresy on this blog.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
I say 4 years
He did start with a 0-16 roster I’d give him another season than normal.
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by The Profiler on Nov 10, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
he is lucky to get 3 years in todays NFL
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
I love the guy. I'd give him 4 to 5
I’m basing my statement off public opinion and more importantly, the talking heads on TV and radio.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
Oh I love him too
But honestly, will you still love him if the Leo’s are still in four-win territory in four or five years?
Last year and to some extent this year can be written off to rebuilding the roster, but after another offseason of player acquisitions and “coaching up,” this team needs to be an 8-8 team at the very least.
Next year, talent won’t be a viable excuse. It’s barely a viable excuse this year.
by AJSmitty on Nov 10, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Next year, talent won’t be a viable excuse. It’s barely a viable excuse this year.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
I am not thinking that talent is the issue
It is more situational. IMO the big issue is experience not talent. From general manager, to coach, to most of the starters to the depth, we have very few talented veterans on this team. Here let me help I will list the ones I can think of
Offense: Shaun Hill, Nate Burleson, Jeff Backus, Tony Scheffler.
Defense: KVB, Cory Williams, Julian Peterson.
Well there you have it, 7 talented veterans of 53 guys, the rest IMO are borderline on talent, or experience. This team will go through growing pains for 2-3 years, this is year one of that. Just look at how long it is taking the Texans to get there and how long they have been learning how to take that next step. The Lions are improving guys don’t get all upset until we see a legitimate regression.
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How much experience is experience?
On offense:
Raiola, Burleson, Scheffler and Backus are already bona fide veterans. CJ will be entering his fifth year, Kevin Smith and Gos their fourth years. Peterman will be entering his seventh year.
Only Stafford (three) and Best (two) will be inexperienced in any reasonable sense, and I think three years is plenty of experience.
On defense:
Peterson, KVB and Williams are vets. Houston will be entering his fifth year, Avril his fourth, Delmas, Smith and Levy their third.
There’s will be youth on the defensive side, but it won’t be a bunch of rookies.
All I’m saying is that the team needs to be COMPETITIVE next year. 8-8, for example. 2-3 more years of “growing pains” seems ridiculous to me; it implies that the team needs to be loaded with 6-12 year veterans to be .500. That just doesn’t hold water for me.
I am talking about this year, now
And a talented veteran IMO is someone that is proven year in and year out someone who puts up respectable stats, at least top 50 30-50 for their position, depending on if they are a single position group like quarterback (one on the field at a time) or a multiple position group like a linebacker.
Raiola is too weak in the run game
CJ could be added to that list on talent, but IMO he is still learning, but I will give yah that one
Kevin Smith is not talented enough IMO, he is an average 2nd string back
Gosder is wildly inconsistent and not near talented enough
Peterman has had one good year and is leaving a lot to be desired this year on the talent level, proven by him needing to chop block instead of block like a man
Stafford is far from proven and though he has x amount of years he has a much lower total of games played
Best is a rookie and far from proven
Houston is debatable, this is the best year he has had, IMO he needs another solid year to be a proven, talented, veteran
Avril is similar to Houston IMO, needs another year under hsi belt to prove he is legit
Delmas is 2nd year and not proven, in fact he has had a slight drop off this year from his rookie year
Phonz is hardly proven, a 2nd year guy that was given up on by Denver, he makes some real bonehead plays out there now and then too
Levy is not proven yet IMO either, missed a lot of this year to injury, similar to Houston and Avril for me, I need another solid year from him before I can say he is a proven talented veteran
Hardly any of these guys have won games, most of them don’t know what it takes to win at this level, even fewer of them have ever been in the NFL playoffs or even in a playoff race. They have not experienced the situations enough to be experienced.
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Talent's not a viable excuse.
Next year, talent won’t be a viable excuse. It’s barely a viable excuse this year.
Injuries on the other hand? Super viable.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
How long is Hill signed for?
I think he signed an extension this year. I’m not giving up on Stafford yet, I just like to make sure we always have the QB position covered.
Maybe get rid of Stanton in the future
and keep Robinson if he works out. Couldn’t be any worse that Stanton already is. I’d had hope for Drew but he looks like a deer in the headlights out there.
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thats an understatement
It just looks like he is still trying to do what he did at Mich State and even Harrison. He should realize he is not going to be a rushing qb in the NFL, and just drop back and throw the god damn ball
The beginning of the end of the misery
Thank you
I’ve seen too many people on here saying that we need to give Stanton a chance. I don’t agree, the coaches keep him at #3 because he’s not even good enough to be #2. These people are probably looking through green-colored lenses. He has shown no ability to read and comprehend NFL defenses. These injuries probably haven’t worked out well for Stanton either. If there were no QB injuries, they wouldn’t have sought out another QB. But, since they now have another QB on their roster, my expectation is that he will be given every opportunity to be the third stringer going into the future.
Agreed
Stanton does fine in the preseason, when all the defenses are just basic packages that are easy for him to read. Once the season starts… its a different story.
by coolbreeze42 on Nov 10, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
not buying
im not buying robinson or stanton, but what do you expect at the 3rd spot
by UGHNOTAGAIN1991 on Nov 11, 2010 12:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
A hope and a prayer that they are at least mediocre?
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