Lions Notes: Shaun Hill Practices; Gosder Cherilus Out For Season?

by Sean Yuille on Dec 15, 2010 3:45 PM EST in Detroit Lions Notes

Shaun Hill practiced today and threw passes. It's unknown if he will be able to play on Sunday (no starter has been named yet), but if he is good to go, chances are he will start instead of Drew Stanton.
Landon Johnson, Vinny Ciurciu, Cliff Avril and Chris Houston missed today's practice. Earlier this week, Jim Schwartz said that Johnson could play on Sunday despite being taken off the field on a stretcher against Green Bay.
Gosder Cherilus is likely headed for injured reserve because of his knee injury, meaning Corey Hilliard is expected to continue to start at right tackle for the Lions.
Kyle Vanden Bosch had surgery last week to repair a bulging disc in his neck and actually started lifting weights again on Saturday. He has a three-inch scar, but he is excited to get back to work.
Buccaneers defensive tackle Gerald McCoy is out for the season after tearing his right bicep. He is one of six Bucs to suffer season-ending injuries in the last few weeks.
The New York Life's offensive line protection index has the Lions' O-line ranked ninth in the NFL in pass protection.
Chris Houston said last week that he wants to "explore options" this offseason when he becomes a free agent. He wants to be in Detroit, but he also is excited to test the free agent waters. I'm sure the Lions will try to re-sign him, as Houston has played well this season and improved over the course of the year.
Jahvid Best is going to be appearing at the Meijer in Canton tonight from 6:30-8:30 p.m.

(More after the jump)

Evander Holyfield was at Sunday's game to support Ndamukong Suh and the Lions.
Suh was interviewed by Shutdown Corner at the Nike equipment summit earlier this week.
After beating the Packers, the Lions moved into the No. 4 slot for the 2011 NFL Draft if the season were to end today.
Drew Stanton has been named the Lions' Robert Porcher Man of the Year for the second straight year. The award recognizes community service.
William Clay Ford apparently made a big push to make the tickets to Monday's Vikings-Giants game free. The Lions ended up giving away 30,000 tickets in a matter of hours on Monday morning for the game. The team didn't make money on it, but they were reimbursed for any expenses incurred.
If you didn't see it on Sunday, you have to check out this video of the Metrodome roof collapsing.

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Did not notice this on Sunday

Jason Fox was active for the game against the Packers and likely active for the rest of the year if Gosder is put on IR. I would like to see him play (not due to injury).

by LionfaninPA on Dec 15, 2010 3:57 PM EST reply actions

+1

by hate2lovelions on Dec 15, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions

the vikings fans made a funny remix of the coilaps..

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2010/12/13/1873956/its-the-metrodome-roof-collapse-remix#comments

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by det32 on Dec 15, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions

dont want to make a thread on this so will here

ws talking to a cowboy fan other day and he says the chance of roy being cut are likley.. would you take him back if the price was right??

i think i might honstly

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by det32 on Dec 15, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions

If the price was right

For instance, say, $1.98.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Dec 15, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions

I WOULD HOWEVER

I don’t see Roy ready for 3rd string duties nor special teams duties

I have a 9" personality

by Waitingfortheroar on Dec 15, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions

Pass his attitude is not needed case in point hating on Joey..

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by The Profiler on Dec 15, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions

Yup

’Cause everyone knows that Cowboy fans are always very accurate and have lots of important things to say.

by Big Z in Orlando on Dec 15, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions

hmmm

Roy Williams VS Bryant Johnson VS Derrick Williams.

Can you give me a minute to think this over? no, really.

Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...

by n4ry4 on Dec 15, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions

I vote Derrick

then Roy

My grandfather was a Packers fan, my father is a Vikings fan, I am a Lions fan, and there is no way in hell I am raising a Bears fan.

by tbl2020 on Dec 15, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions

Derrick, Derrick and Derrick

Of course we have Moore too

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. - Mike Singletary

by The Profiler on Dec 15, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions

if he is a free agent, I would gladly have Roy as our no. 2, imagine him with CJ and Burleson in the slot and Pettigrew and Scheffler and Best and Stafford. He isn’t the best, but is a quality no.2. I would rather have a guy with better work ethic and a better influence, but as far as on the field ability only, I think it would be a good move.

Obviously, he probably wouldn’t come to Detroit and I would be happier with us drafting a guy in the mid-rounds this year and him turning out like Mike Williams of the Bucs.

by lions_sucker on Dec 15, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions

umm we tried the Roy and CJ experiment

How well did that work out? I think it reaches the very peaks of FAILURE

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. - Mike Singletary

by The Profiler on Dec 15, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions

I wouldn't say it was a complete failure...

they both put up decent stats, and I guess I’m looking at it from the perspective of who would I rather have, BJ or Roy, and I would take Roy. I used to have faith in Derrick Williams, but I think he is a bust. After that perfect pass from Hill to him in the endzone that he just completely failed at catching, and his complete lack of being able to contribute on special teams, I think he is done for. Moore could be solid, but he is an unknown, I only can judge guys who have played a game.

by lions_sucker on Dec 15, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions

I'm with you sucker, 100% of the way...

I still think Nate would be 2nd WR in this situation, but on 3 WR packages, Roy would move outside and Nate inside, or on goalline maybe Roy comes in for Nate.

by JFisch on Dec 16, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions

It was not a complete failure

1st they did not have Stafford throwing to him.

2nd Roy actually helped take the double team off of CJ. Something I really do not think Nate has done.

I think in terms of what Roy can do and stats or what he would bring to the table it sounds great. Reality is HELL NO. That would be Roy and Nate both older players that are past their prime IMO and with the possibility of CJ leaving I would rather move a 4th rounder up or just a strait up 4th rounder who can learn from Nate and CJ who have good work ethics and would be much better leaders/ mentors for the rookie then Roy.

by Joey-P on Dec 16, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions

I will gladly accept Roy back

Only after BJ teaches him how to catch.

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by Enforcer on Dec 15, 2010 6:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

I'll take Randy Moss 1st

Atleast his bad attitude has HOF talent.

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. - Mike Singletary

by The Profiler on Dec 15, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions

I think Moss would love to light it up twice against the Vi-queens next year

I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.

by Wayne Fontes on Dec 15, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions

That would be awesome!

It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson

by KDawg on Dec 16, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions

Moss is caput

HE’s done, he’s out, he’s lost it. Put a fork in him. Moss has shown he’s done this year. 3 different teams in 3 very different situations, no real presence on any of them. He can’t do anything but stretch the field anymore and he doesn’t even do that well. He can’t go up and get balls like he used to. I don’t want another AI in Detroit.

by JFisch on Dec 16, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions

And yet you want ROY back??????

Moss had NO help in Minn from the coach as seen on how fast he got cut, and what other WR does Tenn have? If you look at stats on the teams that Moss has played for you would see that Moss helped a certain Viking put up incredible #‘s while he was there, I jave up following the disaster in Tennessee cause frankly they don’t have a QB that can even throw the ball far enough to get moss open. The Lions on the other hand would EXPLODE with moss as the #2 option and allow starscream to be the slot WR that he really is. And who would you double team Moss or Calvin? can’t double team both of them.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Dec 16, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions

+1 too the moss thought

When we got to the red zone ESP. in the 5 yard range, jump ball to Moss or Megatron which ever 1 wasn’t being covered by a 6’ CB.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Dec 16, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions

Tenn dosen't throw to Moss

I dunno why but they refuse to use him in any form

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. - Mike Singletary

by The Profiler on Dec 16, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions

Kenny Britt, Nate Washington

Both pretty darn good receivers. Britt was on pace for a terrific season before he got hurt. His stats would be just as good or better than CJs by years end. Nate Washington is equal to Nate Burleson too.
But I do agree with the prospect of red zone jump balls…even I can admit that there is no better than Moss at that. I meant earlier that Moss wasn’t very effective with deep jump balls. But yeah, red zone jump balls would be nice with Moss…I just don’t think he’s gonna want to be a #3 receiver/red zone guy. I think Burleson is more effective right now than Randy.

by JFisch on Dec 16, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions

re: Roy Williams

A big fat no!!! He plays with his head in the clouds. It doesn’t seem like he’s always there, you know?
McFly, anybody home McFly?
That’s my opinion of Williams, nice guy but I don’t want that element on my team.

by SanDiegoMick on Dec 15, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions

Hilliard

Very glad to see him getting some playing time. I remember in pre-season the staff saying how much potential he had, even beating out the old veteran Jansen for a roster spot. Gosder’s been the biggest bust since Mr Rogers and would love to wash our hands of him and his salary if Corey works out.

by CR on Dec 15, 2010 4:05 PM EST reply actions

gos hasnt been bad this year

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by det32 on Dec 15, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions

What are you talking about?

Gosder has been very solid for us, only missing one game due to injury. This year he has been our 2nd best lineman behind Sims. Actually, Millen’s final draft is looking pretty solid compared to some of his other drafts. 3 starters in Avril, Gosder and Felton and 3 decent role players in Kevin Smith, Jordon Dizon, and Fluellen.

by Kalzilla on Dec 15, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions

That was Maranelli's draft..

He did well picking up those D-linemen in Avril and Fluellen. Gosder has been alright. Look who else was in the draft that year available in the first round and I remember that we needed a QB, CB, RB, OT:
18 Flacco, Joe QB
19 Carolina Otah, Jeff OT
20 Tampa Bay Talib, Aqib CB
21 Atlanta Baker, Sam OT
22 Dallas Jones, Felix RB
23 Pittsburgh Mendenhall, Rashard RB
24 Tennessee Johnson, Chris RB
25 Dallas Jenkins, Mike CB
26 Houston Brown, Duane OT
27 San Diego Cason, Antoine CB
28 Seattle Jackson, Lawrence DE
29 San Francisco Balmer, Kentwan DE
30 NY Jets Keller, Dustin TE
31 NY Giants Phillips, Kenny CB

I almost puked in my mouth when they chose Gosder. At the time I was hoping for us to take Rashard Mendenhall because I knew he was game good from watching him run all over Michigan in college.
Gosder has done ok for us and I hope he gets healthy and sticks around.

by Jack H on Dec 15, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions

you can always look back at that with 20/20

that doesn’t mean we made horrible picks. I wanted Otah. then we traded back and otah was still there and we took Gos. I think Gos has played pretty well. the problem is Otah has been near Probowl level. He also has had a lot of injuries.

I have a 9" personality

by Waitingfortheroar on Dec 15, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions

I also wanted Otah

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by JCruize on Dec 15, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions

That just made me puke in my mouth seeing Chris Johnson sitting at 24 on that list

Hey lol, we got number 28 on our team. BTW, I think Lo-Jack (and Turk) are two of the top five 2nd string DEs in the league.

by JFisch on Dec 16, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions

What do you mean that was Marinelli's draft?

I didn’t follow the team as much then as I do now, forgive me for any ignorance. Did Marinelli have that impact in the craptastic 2007 draft too?

You’re right though, it would have been tough to mess that first round pick up. I remember watching that draft I was really hoping to get Branden Albert and then the Chiefs took him with our pick and we got Gosder.

by Kalzilla on Dec 15, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions

I say Marinelli's draft because..

we drafted 3 d-linemen that year and I thought we had more pressing needs. Everytime I see Millen on TV I want to choke him out

by Jack H on Dec 15, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions

Oh right on. I thought you meant he bear-wrestled Millen's GM privileges away or something

by Kalzilla on Dec 15, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions

To be fair we did end up with Lo Jack

LOL

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. - Mike Singletary

by The Profiler on Dec 15, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions

Lo-Jack

He can play. I was real happy to see us get him. Work on his effort a little, and he stays healthy, he could really contribute

by Jack H on Dec 15, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions

himand willie young could make some big strides cliff avril style and make me very happy next year

think of the depth if those guys get a bit stronger and more physical.

I have a 9" personality

by Waitingfortheroar on Dec 15, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions

Willie Young

That kid is going be good

by Jack H on Dec 15, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions

yeah,

i think he’ll put on a little weight in the offseason and be ready to compete next year for real reps at DE. I am in love with how we rotate D-line all over the place. Once a OL gets a feel for the repertoire of moves, he is challenged by another guy. I saw Fluellen line up at end a few times last game (300lb +), you see SLH come in and destroy a play on 3rd down, you see Suh stand up 3 yds behind line of scrimmage to get a running start, you see LoJack and McBride can both play ball….

there is nothing like getting pressure with the front 4 without forcing the blitz. the blitz is more effective when it isn’t necessitated.

by x$pcents IV on Dec 15, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah if nothing else no one can argue with our DL play this year

No matter our record or expectations, nobody can say anybody hasn’t played up to their potential on DL this season, including whoever is coaching them. I actually think we should have taken KVB out a few games earlier than he actually did. He played noticeably weaker the last two weeks when he was out there. But as for the line, I’m happy with rotating KVB, Avril, Turk, LJ, Suh, SLH, Corey and Fluellen however the coaches have been. Can’t ask for a better line…8 interchangeable pieces? Ridiculous.

by JFisch on Dec 16, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions

hindsights a bitch

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by det32 on Dec 15, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions

Chris Johnson...

I don’t want to imagine

by DetroitDefense on Dec 16, 2010 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Solid?

Well, if showing up every week to collect a check is solid, alrighty then. If however, you happen to mean solid as in the guys run blocking is solid, well then I dont know. His run blocking is dreadful.Thats not my opinion, watch the tape. He gets beat consistently with a strong inside rip. Then the play gets run down from the back side. If you happen to have watched any of our games, you could not have failed to notice this. Backus and Sims get a good push and Bam….. the runner gets nailed from his right side as he hits the line of scrimmage. A lot of the time it looks like Peterman is just a turnstile, ( I am not saying Petey doesnt need to go, he does ) however he’s getting overrun when Gos whiffs on the inside move. There is no getting around the fact that with Hilliard in at rt, we have a damn good day running the ball. Most of it came simply because Corey can at least maintain his seal on the back side.

by YpsilantiJeff on Dec 15, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions

WOW

Serious case of not knowing anything about a team. Gosder has been probaly are 2nd best lineman this season.

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by The Profiler on Dec 15, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions

actually

In his 3rd year, Cherilus might have turned the corner. I thought he played pretty well this year.

by x$pcents IV on Dec 15, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions

Gosder was good

I know this because I forgot he was still starting O-Line for us.

by Elfuego51 on Dec 15, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

That gets a rec from me

Exactly my thoughts.

by JFisch on Dec 16, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions

Sucks, Gos has finally made HUGE strides in his game this season

I seen one the Lions website the plan was to announce a starter today but then seen it wasn’t going to happen. I can only assume Hill was going to test out his injury this week.

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/article-1/Schwartz-Refrains-from-Announcing-A-Starter/e387cc96-cee6-4cec-8e2f-93c6ee171c88

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. - Mike Singletary

by The Profiler on Dec 15, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions

I can see our offence doing reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally well on Sunday

My grandfather was a Packers fan, my father is a Vikings fan, I am a Lions fan, and there is no way in hell I am raising a Bears fan.

by tbl2020 on Dec 15, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions

anybody notice Pettigrew's catch in that game?!?

that was a clutch grab—big time play.

by x$pcents IV on Dec 15, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions

2 great catches on that scoring drive.

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by Waitingfortheroar on Dec 15, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions

not too many guys that can block like him

can make a catch like that.

by x$pcents IV on Dec 15, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions

KVB is back at it gotta love the old guy!!

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Vanden-Bosch-already-working-out-following-neck-surgery.html

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. - Mike Singletary

by The Profiler on Dec 15, 2010 4:58 PM EST reply actions

Hopefully...

we can be effective running the ball against possibly the worst defense in the league against the ground game and then our starting QB wont matter as much. If we can control the game on the ground and play defense like we did last week we should come away with a win streak and a road win. I have a friend who has the bucs as his no.2 team (after Detroit) and he said before the season started that the bucs would probably have a much better record than the Lions, but had this game as a win for Detroit. He’s been right about the record, so hopefully he is right about the outcome of the game.

by lions_sucker on Dec 15, 2010 5:53 PM EST reply actions

I kinda want to see Stanton again

Obviously his passing numbers were atrocious, but it was fun having a running game that consistently led to short 2nd downs. I wish they used more play action in those situations to spring someone deep.

by Elfuego51 on Dec 15, 2010 6:37 PM EST reply actions

imagine...

having a run game that creates short 2nd or 3rd downs and having Hill in to dink and dunk to pick them up. I think the reason Hill hasn’t had as much success here as he had in San Francisco is because he always had a run game to put him in position to not have to go deep. If the run game and Hill’s short passes to tight ends and screens can get us into the red zone, Hill can throw that beautiful jump ball to CJ for the score.

by lions_sucker on Dec 15, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions

Tampa Game

I really hope Hill is good to go. Stanton makes me cringe back in the pocket. Nice 3rd stringer, but that’s why he’s a 3rd stringer, you know?

As far as the draft is concerned, fuck the draft, I mean I love the high picks and all but I want this team to get used to tasting and expecting victories.

Beat the Bucs, I think we have more talent than they do. We just didn’t have our 1st string QB playing enough this year.

by SanDiegoMick on Dec 15, 2010 6:51 PM EST reply actions

exactly...

I would rather see us win the rest of the games and ride the progress and positivity all offseason and have to pick between 10-15 than lose, be miserable, and get a top 5 pick. Especially when we can still get a great CB or LB at that pick and fill a huge area of need. Look at the best CB so far in this years draft, Devin McCourty, he lasted until the 27th pick. If there is a guy in the top ten that we ABSOLUTELY need, I’m sure Mayhew will pull some trade off that makes it happen without giving up too much.

by lions_sucker on Dec 15, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions

The bucs have caught the injury bug also

We will leave Florida with a victory Sunday afternoon.

I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.

by Wayne Fontes on Dec 15, 2010 7:37 PM EST reply actions

Caleb Campbell was activated today

I don’t think Landon will play Sunday

CB Brandon McDonald (arm) has been placed on IR, ending his season. LB Caleb Campbell has been elevated from the practice squad to the active roster. According to reports, McDonald has been replaced on the roster by WR Roy Hall.

-CBS RapidReports

So I guess we got a WR named Roy after all.

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by JCruize on Dec 15, 2010 8:02 PM EST reply actions

Nice to see Caleb getting a chance maybe to play

by JFisch on Dec 16, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions

Just seen on NFL network

That Goodell said a new CBA could be in place by the superbowl! I sure hope so.

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. - Mike Singletary

by The Profiler on Dec 15, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions

Finally

About time Goodell got something done besides fining players for playing football!
Hope you’re right Profiler.

by SanDiegoMick on Dec 15, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions

Sweet

It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson

by KDawg on Dec 16, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions

Having Hill play would increase our chances me thinks

Sucks about Gos though. Hilliard played well though so hopefully he can hold that right side effectively.

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by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 15, 2010 10:05 PM EST reply actions

Kinda sucks to hear from Houston

you would think after being told in Atlanta that he wasn’t good enough to play the nickel that he might be more appreciative of a team that traded for him and gave him a starting job.

Also, as much as I and others have bad mouthed Stanton’s on-field skills in the past, you’ve gotta love a guy willing to give back to the community. Dude’s ok in my book.

by motown313 on Dec 16, 2010 1:04 AM EST reply actions

Agreed w/your post.

It was nice to see Drew get a win… as for Houston, NFL players just talk shit. Stanton himself said he thinks he’d get much more playing time on another team, Houston is simply trying to leverage a deal for himself. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

Fire CJ and trade Schwartz lol

by spicymchaggis on Dec 12, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply Star Unrec? 1

by Skylar on Dec 16, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions

Hey if another team offers him more money and has a winning record well?

Contracts are all about leverage though…I wouldn’t get to bent out of shape over it. Avril said he would love to come back to the D via twitter..I think he isn’t concered about leverage as much as staying with his team.

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. - Mike Singletary

by The Profiler on Dec 16, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions