Stafford Not Injury-Prone
Would someone explain to me how Stafford is injury-prone? Are those who argue that really going to sit there and say with a straight face that 5 different significant QB injuries to three different QBs are the quarterbacks' faults? It seems to me no coincidence that our quarterbacks keep getting injured. If Stafford is injury prone, so are Shaun Hill and Stanton. But in all reality, we know that our offensive line isn't doing its job. Period. We have three solid quarterback options at 1st, 2nd, and 3rd strings and we can't keep them on the field.
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Neither of them are constants, so as a player waffles between that ratio, they go from being injury prone to not and back again?
Not buying it.
Plus, there’s all of college to consider.
you do not get 50 million dollar contracts
for playing in college.
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It was late, I was making my point as quick as possible and is worded poorly
I would say this: A guy should be considered injury prone if history provides enough hesitation for a team to build their franchise on him because of his tendency to get hurt.
ahhh, other qbs in the league have been sacked more than stafford
our qbs are glass dolls, tough qbs dont come round toomuch anymore
by Lions Drive Me Nuts on Dec 21, 2010 12:24 AM EST reply actions
I don't know how prone he is
I do know there is a serious problem somewere that must be adressed
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I would like to submit
and profiler this isnt necessarily a response to your post i just wanted to piggy back off the top.
That every single human being that has ever been born with maybe the exception of bill brasky is injury prone, joints, muscles, tendons, all prone to injury, Allow me to switch to other sports for what I believe is the real problem, is that quaterbacks typically do not know how to take a hit or fall correctly.
In volley ball they teach you to sprawl, (as well as wrestling), which is a falling technique that diverts high impact to important joints and ligaments wrists and shoulders and absorbs most of the impact through the chest and abdomen. Do this incorrectly or do not practice it to the point where it is second nature and I gaurantee your volleyball career wont last long.
Look how our QBs take hits, without fail everytime i watch a lion qb hit the dirt, the hit three spots to the ground first shoulder, hands, and hips….sorry for the rant, just my thought on the matter
Intelligent response...nice
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
I agree... I had to look twice at who posted it.
Just kidding IAG. I was looking for the smart-ass smack down at the end and felt a little unsatisfied… lol
A thought out response from IAG
I’m in shock LOL…Well said though
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by The Profiler on Dec 21, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with your point 100%
I don’t know how easy it is to teach a guy to think like that in the pressure situation of being in an NFL game, but I hope like hell the Lions bring someone in who can teach this lost art of falling correctly.
i think it is merely an issue of unfavorable circumstances
and that is it.
given time, other teams will endure this type of situation.
I don’t think our pass protection is below average. I don’t think our scheme limits quick check-down options in the progression. I also don’t think our QBs are exceedingly greedy with time in the pocket. We don’t run 9 step drops since Martz left.
BTW, after watching how injuries determine so much now in terms of success, does anyone really want an 18 game season? with the new concussion protocols, i could see 1/4 or more of playoff teams down to backups at QB.
LOL! Come on, injury prone????
there’s no such thing. Now there has been a plethora of misfortune when you talk about the QB situation in Detroit. It’s just the brutal nature of the game.
When you look at every play Stafford was injured on, you have to look at the force of the hit. Cause it’s there. Did you not see Peppers come down with the force of GOD when he sacked Staff??? I though mosley literally killed staff!!!!
Give our QB’s for their mental and physical toughness for trying to stick it out no matter the pain inflicted on them
Life is being on the wire, everything else is just waiting.
by I'mOpen,Matt!! on Dec 21, 2010 12:41 AM EST reply actions
I really hope it's just bad luck
but the excuse that it was a tremendous hit doesn’t hold a lot of water. Lots of QB’s take hits with their arms wrapped like that, and many QB’s take more big hits than Stafford has. Sometimes they get hurt, but most of the time they don’t. I’ve seen plenty of QB’s take worse hits and be fine. Like I said, I hope these are just flukes, but I’ve seen David Carr take more hits in one season than Staff has his whole career and not be knocked out of the game as many times. Some guys do get hurt on plays other guys can take.
I'd argue bad luck more than any bad results by the line.
The Browns hit happened on a busted play.
The Bears hit was the result of Peppers wrapping both arms and then driving the shoulder into the ground. With both arms held, you can’t protect it. Look at Farve tonight as another example with Wootten.
The Jets game? We can’t even identify what hit it was, but it supposedly happened in the first half and he played the rest of the first half and most of the second on an injured throwing shoulder. That’s a ‘glass doll’? Screw that noise, that’s damned near Jack Youngblood levels of competitive.
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was injured twice in 3 weeks. Injuries happen in the NFL. It’s a flukey sort of thing. Yao Ming is injury prone. It’s way too soon to call Stafford injury prone.
we have the 6th least sack allowed in the nfl..
befor the bucks game some one had a link that had us as the 4th best pass blocking OL
i dont kow what more you can ask for..
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heres the link hopefully will be updated tomorrow now that the monday game is in
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
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sandvet Sep 2010
What about hits allowed?
I feel like our QB’s are still getting whacked pretty often even though the o-line gives them enough time to at least throw the ball away
No, they're not getting hit very much either--we're currently 8th best in the league
in fewest QB hits allowed per pass play.
Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...
err-7th best, rather (even better)
stats from nfl.com and espn.com

Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...
yea you really cant blame this on the OL..
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sandvet Sep 2010
Suck to be David Garrard
getting hit 1/5 of the time he drops back
It wasn't pretty, but it was beautiful - Jim Schwartz
But those two guys don't drop back that much....only Titans, Browns, and Chiefs drop back as few as them.
If I was getting hit, I would care more about the number of hits rather than the per cent of time I was hit.
At least the OL does something right.
Speaking of the OL, was Peterman even playing on Sunday or was he hurt? Without the ref taking roll call every 5 minutes, I didn’t know.
he has been good last 3 or so games.. or the RG has been good last 3 or 4 games lol
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n4ry4
I like the thing you have at the end
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the lionsqbshave had injuerys this yearitjust ben a bad yearfor nfl qbs periodthat being said if lions get all thieir obs injuery out thisyear and our heathty next year i will tackit beause next year we will add aleast 6more nfl ready players to the roster jus t think how go this team will be say they to the offense sideofball a rb // wr //ot judt think how munch more games we could win if they go on the deffense side of the ball and ad olb //ss// cb//de withthe way our deffline played this year we could win alot more games i donot know if the players addtoroster will be all draft picks beacuse draft picks tacke longer to proven players in nfl loock at want the lions gm did this year he add a least 6proven nfl ready playears from nfl teams who didnot have to learn how to play in the nfl . thats why the lions as team our not geting blowen out alot this year and our in alot of games . you might iam wrong that its beauseof the last two draft but think about it of the last two drafts how many our start s for the lions this year you have from last year draft te qb dt fs mlb from this year draft you have dt ss rb the restof the draft picks our backups or cuts . now let lock at the players the lions gm add to lions as nfl ready starts g// te wr 2cbs//dt//de///k//kr//2olbs just this year yes alot wereroster cuts and few came in fa and trade but it tacks good gm to find players who can be starts for your team from othear nfl teams rosters thats why icant wait to sea want kind moves the lions gm will mack to add to the team next year .
good points, we're getting really close to having a complete football team
We can generally only expect players from the top 3 rounds to be starters right away, and even then, yeah, there’s a learning curve. But let’s suppose we can get 2 starters and then some development/depth from the draft and 2 starters from Free Agency.
If we could just add solid starters at four positions
OLB
CB
OLB
#3WR
then we pretty much have a complete football team with no major holes on the roster. Of course we do have some veterans getting older who we’re going to need to find replacements for over the next few seasons (Backus, Raiola, Burleson, Vanden Bosch), but as far as next year goes, if we can fill just four positions or so, I don’t see any major weaknesses on the roster.
Hey that's a timeout, I can play right? yeah, get me--get the F-- Help me up...I can throw the ball if you need me to throw the ball...
Here are the needs
as I see them.
CB,LB (MLB or OLB) Levy is versatile, OG/C Peterman and Raiola gotta go cant run block and get too many penalties., SS. I think we are solid on offensive “skill” positions. Although if Staff seperates a shoulder one more time, he needs to be replaced.
Staff could be injury prone it's just to early to tell
It is possible that he has weaker tendons, joints, than the average QB. Nobody knows for sure but to argue that it isn’t even a possibility is crazy.
I have flat feet which my Doctor told me played a role in why I tore my achilles. He told me I just wasn’t biomechanically sound enough. Got some orthotics and it seemed to help.
And to argue that he showed no signs of injury in college as some do is fine but maybe he has the type of body where continuous punishment catches up to him faster than the average guy.
I hope this isn’t the case but the possibility at this point exists. Time will tell…
Wait, being a big man on a blog doesn't make me a big man in real life? WTF!!??
So let me get this straight, Stafford has...
what… a lower grade of cartilage in his system? Young man’s osteoporosis or some kind of brittle bone disease? A muscle disease that leads to enhanced tearing or something? Good grief.
The label “injury prone” is a bonafide misnomer. To say someone is more prone to an injury versus someone else with a similar body type is ridiculous. You take 10 guys the same size and weight and similar muscle build as Stafford and let Julius Peppers slam the shit out of everyone of them the same way, are you saying that some of those guys don’t get hurt because they are less “prone to it”. If you believe this, I have some “interesting” real estate you might be interest in. Sheesh.
Now… if Stafford’s shoulder does not fully heal or is susceptible to further injury… that is different. If a lesser hit could tear up his shoulder in the future, then HIS SHOULDER is more prone to an injury. Read that the right way… I am not saying that Stafford is injury prone from that point on, I’m saying his shoulder is more prone to being injured again. Make sense? It should.
So to all those labeling Stafford as such, riddle me this….. do you honestly believe that his body is more at risk for injury than other people with similar body builds? If so, why? Could he use more conditioning? I dunno, maybe. But this is a big, athletic guy that has played sports at a high level since he was just a kid. Trust me, he is conditioned well enough. Could it just possibly be because he took really, really hard shots that would have separated anyone’s shoulder? So what is more likely… that he’s been unlucky or that his body has a degenerative, undiagnosed condition that makes his body more prone to injury. I report, you decide. Lol……
by DrewsLions on Dec 21, 2010 1:44 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
What are your thoughts on Greg Oden?
Kidding! Your a fan of Staff, clearly…..
Wait, being a big man on a blog doesn't make me a big man in real life? WTF!!??
Well, this is not about Stafford, but the label "injury prone".
I’m a Lions’ fan, so I am clearly a Stafford fan…. are you not? Lol…
As for Greg… he obviously has a knee issue, but he himself is not more prone to injury. His knee sure the hell is, but that’s it. He fits the mold like every other athlete in the world.
I'm a Stafford fan too...
Stafford is not injury prone. He’s gonna play in at least 15 games next year.
I think we only differ here...
I understand what you are saying about bodypart vs the individual.
My only thing is that I feel it is reasonable for fans of the Detroit Lions to wonder if Stafford can make it through a full season next year…
I don’t think he is made of glass but I also think that saying nothing about his injuries so far is cause for concern is a little too optimistic as well.
I just know I will be holding my breath next year every time he takes a good shot for at least the first 4 games
Wait, being a big man on a blog doesn't make me a big man in real life? WTF!!??
I agree about holding our collective breaths, but...
for me, it’s only about his shoulder not healing fully and that leaving the door open for future injuries BECAUSE of historical ones. I am not worried about his knees or toes or fingers or elbows or his neck or his ribs or any other part of his body that is not an issue today.
It's a little absurd to say that everyone who has a similar build has the same likelihood of injury
There are many physical factors that could make one “injury prone” including skeletal size, bone density, strength and quantity of skeletal and connective tissues, muscle density, muscular build at the injury site, fast-twitch vs. slow-twitch fiber make-up, etc.. Many people have claimed one of the reasons Michael Jordan was such a great jumper is because he had an abnormally strong achilles’ tendon (this may or may not be true, I don’t know, but it is a possibility) those same types of features could make one person less likely to sustain injuries when subjected to these types of blows.
Is Stafford weak in a vital area like this? I have no idea, and it is hard to judge because these hits are not reproducable on other players to compare. He has had a number of injuries to his joints in these two seasons though, and I don’t know that he has taken more big hits capable of producing injury than most other players of similar build.
So it's less absurd to say that a player is more prone to injury than another?
Look, I think the guy has had enough doctors look at his physique and all that prior to drafting. If he had “low bone density” or issues with the “connectivity of his tissue”, the Lions would not have taken him first overall.
My point is in the absurdity (because that is your point of reference here) is in calling someone more prone to be injured because he has been injured previously. Unless the injury is a direct cause of a past injury, it is a COMPLETELY NEW injury and had nothing to do with trends or tendencies or any of that hogwash. Why can’t people just admit that he’s taken a couple of monster shots and leave it at that? I can’t be the only one to see the nasty hits he’s taken and go… “Yeah… dude took a massive hit and that would’ve separated anyone’s shoulder”. No…. people gotta start putting labels on things in a weak attempt to make more sense of it than needed. He got hurt… he’ll heal… get over it.
by DrewsLions on Dec 21, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't really think they examine that type of thing very closely
when they look to draft these guys. They do a thorough physical and have them work out for the team. I doubt they are going through with a caliper and measuring the tendon size of the bicep. I believe they rely on their high school and college injury history for that type of information, but just as with actual game skills some translate well from the college to the pro level and some do not.
I’m sure Stafford is far more durable than the average joe, I just don’t know how he compares to some of the other freaks of nature we see in the NFL. If I took that hit from Peppers I probably wouldn’t walk for a month.
I don’t recall seeing any doctors saying Charles Rogers had weak clavicles when he was drafted, and he was selected #2 overall. I’m sure just as much medical examination was done in his case.
I’m not saying Stafford didn’t take some freak hits, I’m just saying his track record in the NFL with injuries so far is not good, maybe it has to do with his body, maybe it is just bad luck. I’ve seen some guys get injured on plays that didn’t look bad at all, and I’ve seen some guys take hits that look way worse than Stafford’s and get right back up, I don’t know if there is an easy explanation. People have fallen off cliffs with no real injury before, most would die.
4 major injuries in less than a season and a half of a season
That is exactly what anyone outside of Detroit fans would call Injury prone.
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No... that is an "injury history"
He is no more prone to breaking his hand than any other player in the whole freaking league. He is no more prone to getting turf toe than other player in the whole freaking league. He is no more prone to breaking his leg than other player in the whole freaking league. He is no more prone to getting athlete’s foot than other player in the whole freaking league. He is no more prone to getting a neck injury than other player in the whole freaking league. He is no more prone to getting a concussion than other player in the whole freaking league. He is no more prone to getting a broken rib than other player in the whole freaking league. He is no more prone to getting hoof in mouth disease than other player in the whole freaking league. He is no more prone to getting lupus than other player in the whole freaking league. Need I go on?
As for the shoulder…. yeah. If it doesn’t heal properly or there are long-term effects, sure… his shoulder might be prone to more injuries that the average player.
Prone
: having a tendency or inclination : being likely
There’s no way of knowing if other QB’s who took the same hits would have the same injuries. All we know is that QB’s on every team take similar hits every week. It appears based on past instances that Stafford gets injured more often than the average QB.
We could argue forever about why that might be. Is it his physiology? Is it his technique for “taking a hit”? Is it just dumb bad luck? I’m not sure it matters if he can’t stay on the field.
by Big Z in Orlando on Dec 21, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Drew vs Joshun
Round 105
Ding Ding
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by The Profiler on Dec 21, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
alright gentle men you know the rules
i want a clean fight and no cheap shots. not touch gloves and reaturn to your corners. LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLETS GET READY TOOOOOO RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMBLLLLLLLLLLLLE!
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by Waitingfortheroar on Dec 21, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
None of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4K-y_MkgL0&feature=related
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sick of hearing this shizzit too and what i say goes so listen up !
The reality is that these guys are playing a fast-moving sport at the highest level, where it’s pretty easy to get hurt. Obviously they would like to avoid spending time on the injured list but not everyone can be so lucky. In fact, very few players are lucky enough to evade major injury for several years in a row.
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
i havent checked the Steelers site but If theyre ready to part ways with Polamalu then i will let Stafford go.
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
you go right ahead man
I am on record as being prepared to be the last Stafford fan in the world! Polumalu would have no bearing on me. I belive in Staffords abillitys his mentality and leadership. He has been injured thats all he has showin. Fact is when ever he has played he has showed why he was picked 1st overall. I think we should stop bitching about wether or not he’s the future of this team and start working on how to fix the problem. A healthy Stafford gives us a run at the playoffs I feel. There is also not a QB comming out in the Draft that can touch Stafford physical attributes We can whine and moan about what happened over this season or figure out how to fix it next season. Either way Stafford will be here in 2011 and he gives us the best chance to go anywere near the playoffs.
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by The Profiler on Dec 21, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
hey now I was being a dick, there is no way in hell they dont want Polamalu just like there is no way in hell that i dont want Stafford
Im behind Stafford 110%
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
I know man
Just making my point
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by The Profiler on Dec 21, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
lmao
sick of hearing this shizzit too and what i say goes so listen up !
right!
Moving on. Lets see, Franchise QBs (which he is being paid like) commonly do in fact go years without getting hurt and missing time. Guys like Manning, Brady ect.
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I think its a bad era to look at...
You have two of the longest streaks for consecutive starts by quartersbacks in this era in Manning and Favre. Brady and Eli Manning have quite a long streak too. I don’t watch every NFL game, but here is a list of all the quarterbacks that I know of that have went out with injuries during a game that haven’t come back
1) Stafford
2) Hill
3) Rodgers
4) Vince Young
5) Alex Smith
6) Jake Delhomme
7) Seneca Wallace
8) Kevin Kolb
9) Matt Moore
10) Brett Favre
11) Jay Cutler
12) Michael Vick
Thats 12 quarterbacks that have missed games this year…thats quite a big number, and I think Im missing a few.
The beginning of the end of the misery
THEY WILL ALL MISS TIME NEXT YEAR COUNT ON IT INJURY PRONE IS WHAT THEY ARE
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
I love it when people on this board have no valid arguments so they
exaggerate the situation in an attempt to make the other side of the conversation seem less valid.
I am not going to go down the list and say why each of those QBs situation is different than Stafford’s. The difference is so obvious, its just plain silly.
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some of them have good OL.. most dont have as good as the lions..
the fact is the lions have the 4th best pass blocking OL.. you cant ask for much better… to blame the QB injures on the OL is redickules..
i dont know why stafford is haveing so meny problems.. or the other QBs.. but it is not the OL
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Gradkowski, Sorgi, Dennis Dixon, you can add all them to your list by the way
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
injured Qbs
Thats not even all of them. The only diffrence is Stafford was reinjured and the amount of time he has missed. Chad Penninton and Trent Green are injury porne if anyone is. They both really had one injury that continually effected there career afterwards and eventually ended those careers. Stafford has a problem if this drags out for years and effecthis career forever…Than call him injury prone. Right now its a bad hit that took him out and was reinjured on another hit that he tried to play through. Last season diffrent arm and a knee neither of which had any effect on his play. There is no one to blame so why get pissy about it….Its just a matter of pin pointing the problem and fixing it…THAT SIMPLE. No ones happy about it but its pretty lame to get bent out of shape on wether to call him injury prone or not.
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by The Profiler on Dec 21, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
it hard for me to say he is no injury prone when has been injured 4 timw in 13 games..
and this years injures where behind one of the best OL in the game
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and more
Derek Anderson and Max Hall, Colt McCoy, Tony Romo, Matt Cassell (I know, I know, but he did miss time). Just look at the NFC North, the team with the QB that has made it through every game is the team that won the division. There is no question that starting QB’s are very important, but you cannot deny that there are numerous QB injuries every year.
One more thing
So far this season there have been 59 different starting QB’s in the NFL. Likely, it will be 60 this week if Joe Webb starts for Minny. I found this stat in an article that Drew Sharp wrote today, although the source for a fact isn’t terribly important, given that it is indeed a true fact. I do realize that some of these changes have been made because a certain QB wasn’t getting it done on the field, but the overwhelming majority are due to injuries. QB’s get hurt, that’s just a huge part of the game as it is right now.
Facts?
Brady missed an entire season with a knee injury.
Rodgers has had his bell rung twice already this season. THAT is an injury that can and will repeat itself over time.
Brees tore his shoulder up so badly that the Dolphins chose Culpepper over Brees as free agents.
That’s three of the top four Qbs in the league who have missed significant time with serious injuries.
AKA: you’re full of shit, again.

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