Matthew Stafford Placed On Injured Reserve By Lions
by Sean Yuille on Dec 24, 2010 1:03 PM EST
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PrintMatthew Stafford has spent nearly the last seven weeks rehabbing his right shoulder injury with the hope of being able to return for at least one game this season. After being ruled out this week, however, it started looking less and less likely that he'd actually be able to return for the Lions' finale next week. After today, it's guaranteed that he will be out, as the Lions placed him on injured reserve, ending his season.
Stafford suffered a right shoulder injury during the first game of the season and returned seven weeks later, beating the Redskins in his only full game this year. After going down with another right shoulder injury a week later against the Jets, he has missed almost seven weeks of action. After the season wraps up next Sunday at home against Minnesota, Stafford will have missed eight straight games and a total of 13 this year. During his two years in the NFL, he will have played in only 13 games and missed 19.
With Stafford out, the Lions will be left with Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton to compete for the starting job at quarterback this week and next week. Hill and Stanton each took No. 1 reps at QB the last couple days, but today it was Hill that was with the first team. At this point it seems that he has the edge to start over Stanton, but we won't know for sure until a starter is announced on Sunday.
In other injury news, Louis Delmas missed practice for the third straight day. He suffered a concussion against Tampa Bay and after missing practice all week, it looks like he could be out against Miami. To shore up their depth at safety and fill Stafford's spot on the roster, the Lions did sign Randy Phillips off the practice squad, so it seems like Delmas will be out this week.
UPDATE: Stafford said that he doesn't need surgery.
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I was attempting to make a FanPost about this...
but for some odd reason, it wasn’t working!
My grandfather was a Packers fan, my father is a Vikings fan, I am a Lions fan, and there is no way in hell I am raising a Bears fan.
WASTE OF A ROSTER SPOT!
guhhhhh, i love you matt, but get the surgery, i dont care if you dont NEED it I want it.
there's no medical evidence...
that surgery for AC joints is the best route.
The medical field is 50/50.
You want somene to have unneeded surgery to make you feel better? LOL
I think there is some kind of psychological condition that refers to that.
It's called ScrewJerryitis......lol
The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.
guess 2010 isn't meant to be
See ya next year Matt..Your still the man!
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by The Profiler on Dec 24, 2010 1:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i wouldnt be mad if he needed surgery
If he commits himself to rehab like Bradford (similar injury) and Drew Brees (worse injury) it could work out.
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by Jerry Mallory on Dec 24, 2010 2:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
if you don’t need surgery, you should absolutely not get it because it comes with all sorts of healing and rehab that you could just skip. No surgery will make him more likely to be able to participate in offseason workouts and training camp
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right but as you injur your ac joint more and more
the tendons around the joint beome weaker and can ONLY be fixed by sugery.
Also the weaker the tendon is the more likely one is to injure the shoulder again…just saying.
Andrews says it's not as bad as Sanchez's injury.
He also doesn’t recommend surgery.
Considering there’s a reason the guy is one of the few doctors in the world with a better Q rating than most NFL players, that says something.
Getting surgery when you don’t need it is a waste and a danger, because cutting into the shoulder will do damage that won’t heal 100%.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Dec 24, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
That is a medical fact
I’ll be the source today…I learned that in college.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
And I believe that the title of his comment needs to be considered as well
As you injure a joint more and more, the tendons AND ligaments DO become weaker and weaker as the are stretched to the point that they are no longer tensile. And at THAT point, the only way to fix them is to surgically shorten them.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
From all I have read on the AC joint history...
Surgery or rehab…. its not going to make a difference in future use or injury.
what i am basing my information off of
The simplest type of surgery for AC joint injury involves resection or removal of the end of the clavicle using arthroscopic (mini-surgical) techniques (called a Mumford procedure). If the joint becomes painful because of DCO (weightlifter’s shoulder) or arthritis, or the separation is only minor, this technique can be very satisfactory. When the joint is severely displaced, then a more complex procedure is needed to restore the position of the clavicle. Usually this operation, called a Weaver-Dunn procedure, is done using a two-inch incision over the joint. The end of the clavicle is removed, and ligament is transferred from the underside of the acromion into the cut end of the clavicle to replace the ligaments torn during the dislocation. Soon an arthroscopic procedure should be available to restore the position of the joint, but at this point, only open surgery techniques are available.
cool, thanks...
This is what I based my opinion from…
The treatment of grade three AC separations is somewhat controversial. Many studies show no difference whether a person is treated with surgery or conservative treatment. Even with surgery, a bump may still be present where the separation occurred. And a significant portion of people who undergo surgery will need another operation later.
Several studies have looked at what happens to the AC joint after this injury. It appears that many people, whether they had the joint repaired surgically or not, will need an operation at some time in the future. The injured joint degenerates faster than normal. Over time it becomes arthritic and painful. This process may take years to develop, but sometimes it happens within one or two years.
http://www.eorthopod.com/content/acromioclavicular-joint-separation
My problem with all of that is this...
I would be willing to bet that the people in those studies were not professional athletes, and that they do not put the same amount of stress on the shoulder on a daily basis that an NFL QB must to perform his job.
A grade 3 Acromioclavicular joint separation involves the “rupture of both AC and CC ligaments which often results in a superior displacement”.
http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/front/shoulder/acjoint.htm
The CC ligament is the coracoacromial ligament. which attaches the acromion process to the coracoid process.
Grade 3 AC separations are now being treated much more conservatively than in the past, and many normal people can be treated without surgery. However due to the amount of damage caused by an AC separation of the 3rd degree, it is generally recommended that a sports medicine specialist be consulted. Stafford has seen Dr. James Andrews, and whether or not the good Dr. believes that Stafford should have surgery or not may not have been reported to the media. What we do know for sure is that he has consulted him and that he does not “need” surgery at this point. In my personal opinion, I believe that Dr. Andrews would have likely given Matthew Stafford a diagnosis, followed by all of the options for treatment and his recommendation on which he feels is the best course of action.
Do we know that Dr. Andrews felt that non-surgical treatment was the best course of action, or is that the course of action that Matthew Stafford chooses to take?? I for one like the results I saw from Sam Bradford, who had the surgery for the very same injury. Is it possible to have a recurring injury after having surgery to repair a grade 3 separation? Of course it is possible. Is it more likely that there will be a recurring injury with the non-surgical treatment? Maybe, maybe not. The bottom line is that the potential for re-injury depends greatly upon the level of rehabilitation, therapy, and subsequent physical conditioning that Matthew Stafford undergoes, for either course of action.
That said, none of this changes the fact that with each subsequent injury the ligaments surrounding the joint in Stafford’s shoulder are becoming weaker. There is no denying the fact. He could get in the best shape of his life and still have the same injury next season. If he properly strengthens and conditions the muscles surrounding the AC joint, if he does not return to any sports activities until he has recovered a full and pain free range of motion, and if he properly pads and tapes the shoulder following his return to action, then it is possible that he might not injure the joint again, even without surgery. However, even with every precaution taken he could still be at more risk of injury due to the decreased strength of the ligaments surrounding the AC joint in his shoulder. Like it or not, the truth is that the only way to truly “repair” the damage done to the ligaments in this type of injury is through surgery.
One case where repairing the ligaments may be best is in the case of the highly functioning throwing athlete. Some would argue that these athletes perform better following repair than without the repair.
In some Grade 3 shoulder separations, surgery may be suggested. Surgery involves relocating the joint and repairing the torn ligaments. A screw, or some other type of fixation may be used to hold the joint together while the ligaments heal. This surgery is done through a 4-5 inch incision over the acromioclavicular (AC) joint. If a screw is used to hold the clavicle in place while the ligaments heal, it will usually be removed six or eight weeks after the surgery. If not removed, the screw will probably break.
http://www.muir-orthopedic.com/patient_ed_docs/ajs_pe_doc.htm
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
by KDawg on Dec 25, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oops
I accidentally posted the pic of the grade 4 AC separation…here is the one for grade 3:
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
Trade him.....Screw some team over Mayhew.
Paaaaaaaaaalease.
The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.
Yup, you uplift every conversation you barg into.
The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.
I can confirm that from personal experience
Two surgeries on my shoulder that were preceded by 10 months of PT and followed by 12 months of more PT.
Once the tendons and Ligaments take damage they are much more likely to be damaged in the future. After my second shoulder surgery, which left a 4 inch scar, I was finally able to use my arm with minimal pain. I was also able to regain most of my range of motion and strength. I have nothing but good things to say about my doctor. He was, much like Dr. Andrews, very cautious about cutting me open because he wanted my shoulder to heal naturally but it was not going to happen.
Eventually, he opted to go with the surgery. I can play sports, work, everything again.
I like Wins, Cheese and I also Like Cookies. If you don't. Wow. :P
Matt Should get the Surgery NOW
He will have plenty enough time to rehab before the start of next year plus if he dont get the surgery than he will be mosr likely to keep injuring those two shoulders
2011 Playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can't say I didn't see it coming...
At least this ends the conjecture about whether or not he will play next week.
I am more concerned about the Delmas situation at this point. He was cleared to play on Monday, but has not practiced all week. Preliminary reports said that the coaching staff was just playing it safe with Louis. But now he is listed as doubtful and might not play? WTF?
Man…I picked Detroit in my football pool, and I even said that I think they will win in my weekly post…but with Rusty Hill and either Can’t Cover Brown or a rookie in place of Delmas? This is rather concerning.
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
Can't cover Brown..
It should be" Can’t Tackle C.C." Did you see LaGarrett “The Boise Bitchslap” Blount bulldoze CC on that touchdown run?
Sure did...Can't cover, can't tackle, can't do anything...best position: left out
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
by KDawg on Dec 24, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hill would of never needed to be put on IR.
Me on the 2008 Detroit Pistons..
"Blowing leads, losing to poor quality teams, having a coach that preaches defense but we can barely guard a soul. This is reminding me too much of the Detroit Lions…
…depression starting to set in."
Good Times!
Where the hell...
…is the PODer who said he was so close to Matthew and said he would play. You’re mouth is as big as your ego and lies. Jerk. Lol
by topherclosson on Dec 24, 2010 2:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Oh
And i liked Randy Philips in preseason. Thought he did a good job.
by topherclosson on Dec 24, 2010 2:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I hope he impresses!!
"Pressure is something you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing." — Peyton Manning
He played ok ealrier this year.
he played a couple regular season games and looked ok.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 24, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Randy Phillips from THE U...
All thugish ruggrish DB’s come from the U. Come on Randy be the next young Ed Reed. Live up to your heritage and make big plays.
Hey lads
It’s Christmas Day over here so I just wanted to wish you guys a Merry Christmas. Hope everything is joyous and plentiful for you and your families. Not the best of days for me but we’ll push through.
Get well soon Staff.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
Merry Christmas HE!
It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson
Best wishes to you and your family HE!
Ride a wave at the beach for us buddy.
by NorthLeft12 on Dec 25, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
glade is was Philips we brought up.. kind of shocked no one grabbed him
but i seen this coming for Matt.. and if the doc says he doesnt think he should get surgery then he shouldn’t..
"things not to talk about with people RELIGION,POLITICS,k. smith,FINANCES"
sandvet Sep 2010
I like the idea of Stafford being the Lions Star QB...
but is that ever going to happen or do we need to move in a different direction? I really think we need to start looking at alternate options at QB because the back-up class of Shaun “Butterball” Hill, Drew “The Spartan” Stanton, and Zac"Never played an NFL down" Robinson isn’t going cut the mustard when the injury bug hits the Staffinfection again next year. And it will.
Don’t get me wrong, I am a big Stafford supporter and I want to see him succeed, but he seems to have trouble staying healthy. I don’t want to see another potentially winning season ruined because the QB can’t play 16 quality games in the NFL and we are playing musical backfield all year long and going 2-14.
we have one of the best QB situations in the NFL depth-wise. Shaun Hill could start for a lot of teams and Stanton could back up for a lot of teams also. Who do you want to be our backup? Peyton Manning?
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
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MANNING FOR BACK UP 2011!
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Wait a minute..
Shaun Hill can’t start for a lot of teams. SF gave him up and look at their QB situation. How many games has Hill won as a LION? He’s slow and fat and getting old. He looks like a lump out there. Stanton fine, we can keep him for now. I am saying we need to draft a QB high in the draft and mentor him for the future, or get a young guy from another teams roster cuts.
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
Here are acouple of guys that could be our back-up from the 2011 draft
Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.74.
Projected Round (2011): 5-7.
3/29/10: Andy Dalton really improved as a junior, throwing for 2,756 yards, 23 touchdowns and eight interceptions. His YPA (8.5) and completion percentage (61.6) were solid.
Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama
Height: 6-2. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.94.
Projected Round (2011): 6-FA.
3/29/10: Should be a solid backup quarterback in the NFL. He did a great job managing Alabama’s games, throwing 17 touchdowns to only four interceptions. His completion percentage (60.9) and YPA (7.7) of course won’t blow you away.
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
find it hard to belive some with a 4 to 1 td int and a 60% comp will be there in the 5th..
"things not to talk about with people RELIGION,POLITICS,k. smith,FINANCES"
sandvet Sep 2010
A guy like Dalton
would be a great addition to the Lions. I think we should really be looking for that “Tom Brady” type pick in the later rounds at QB. It is important to have a lot of depth at that posistion as we have seen this year. If Stafford gets hurt again, we have more options.
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
You know as well as I do that...
we need that Franchise QB to win games i.e. Manning, Brady, Farve(Packers days) Rogers, Vick, Ryan. Without that, we will not win. So what are we to do? Hope that Stafford will play an entire season? Rely on a cast-off from another team? Go with Stanton? Develop another young prospect from this years draft?
I really believe we need to develop youth.
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
I think an emergency QB is way down the list of offseason priorities.
You don’t think Hill could start on the dolphins, browns, titans, raiders, broncos, redskins, cowboys, panthers, 49ers, or cardinals?
Grading a QB on wins is less productive than grading a starting pitcher on wins. If you really want to prove a point, use something like completion percentage or yards per attempt. You’re trying to apply a team stat to an individual performance and it doesn’t work. By that logic, Suh hasn’t been great because the lions have only won 4 games. Peyton Manning and David Garrard are equal talents at QB because both teams are 8-6. Not only are you cherry picking a mostly useless stat, but you’re doing it with a small sample size.
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
Winning football games starts with the QB
What team has won the Super Bowl with a poor QB? I can think of one..The Ravens, backed with one of the best defenses ever.
Hill would have the same results on those other teams that he has with the Lions.
Stafford is a liability. A main off-season priority should be getting a QB that can win games for us if Stafford goes down again.
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
Suh has been great but,
he plays a role on the team that is not near as valuable as QB. He may be a leader on defense and a terror to the opposing QB, but he doesn’t create offense. He doesn’t move the ball down the field, command the field, set the tempo for the game, lead the team to victories. The Pats have Vince Wilfork, but does he win all those games for them?
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
Detroit CMP% YDS TD INT
S. Hill 61.3 2206 13 11
D. Stanton 58.0 780 4 3
New England
T. Brady 66.6 3561 31 4
Jacksonville
D. Garrard 65.2 2435 22 13
Indianapolis
P. Manning 66.9 4257 28 15
1911 AL MVP
.367 career batting average (highest ever)
54 career steals of home (most all time)
Won 12 batting titles, including 9 in a row from 1907 to 1915.
Third all time in stolen bases with 892.
Second in runs scored with 2,245.
Second in career hits with 4,191.
Batted under .320 only once in his career.
Batted over .400 three times.
Might be a nice home coming for Randy Phillips.
Local kid makes good, etc. Give it your best and have fun. Three in a row would be nice !
" I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this. " " What are you doin' here? You oughta be out in a convertible bird-doggin' chicks and bangin' beaver. " " Medication time. Medication time. " ( One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - 1975 )
Before it's all said and done....This kid is going to be a player.
Some one please give him a chance.
The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.
Well according to the logic being peddled by some this must mean that the Vikings game is a sellout, right?
I am sure there is some neat little conspiracy theory that explains why Schwartz and old man Ford decided to put him on IR now!
Sucks, but I'm glad
I don’t want to see Stafford on IR necessarily, but I also worried about him forcing it in order to play sooner and making the injury worse. The season was lost for him anyway, no point in pushing it if he isn’t ready (again)..
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