Lions Win Over Vikings Is Not That Costly To Draft Position
by TuffLynx on Dec 29, 2010 6:31 AM EST
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PrintWith the NFL entering the final week of regular season play many fans are starting to pay attention to where their favorite teams will draft next spring. The Lions draft prospects are certainly being talked about because of the potential for them to drop from the fourth pick to the fourteenth pick. But are we really being realisitc in that assesment?
Current Draft Positions
The following table shows the current draft situation for the Lions heading into the final week of the season. The table has been updated to include the Vikings win over the Eagles.
| Pick | Team | Wins | SOS | Opponent |
| 1 | Panthers | 2 | 0.575 | at Falcons |
| 2 | Broncos | 4 | 0.508 | Chargers |
| 3 | Bengals | 4 | 0.579 | at Ravens |
| 4 | Bills | 4 | 0.583 | at Jets |
| 5 | Cardinals | 5 | 0.458 | at 49ers |
| 6 | 49ers | 5 | 0.492 | Cardinals |
| 7 | Cowboys | 5 | 0.521 | at Eagles |
| 8 | Texans | 5 | 0.525 | Jaguars |
| 9 | Lions | 5 | 0.55 | Vikings |
| 10 | Browns | 5 | 0.575 | Steelers |
| 11 | Seahawks | 6 | 0.488 | Rams |
| 12 | Titans | 6 | 0.504 | at Colts |
| 13 | Redskins | 6 | 0.513 | Giants |
| 14 | Vikings | 6 | 0.542 | at Lions |
The teams above the Lions on the table would draft before Detroit and generally will only come into play if the Lions lose to the Vikings. The teams below the Lions would currently draft after Detroit and would come into play only if the Lions win.
So this is how the Cookie Crumbles
Regardless of what the Lions do against the Vikes they will finish behind the Panthers, Broncos, and the loser of the Cardinals vs, 49ers game. So the best they can do is the fourth pick. But getting that fourth pick is not a realistic expectation.
In order for the Lions to pick fourth they would have to lose against the Vikings and the following would also have to take place:
- The Bengals have to beat the Ravens on the road.
- The Bills would have to beat the Jets on the road.
- The Cowboys would have to beat the Eagles on the road.
- The Texans would have to beat the Jaguars at home.
I will pick the Ravens, Jets, Eagles, and Texans to win. That would put the Lions at the seventh pick in my estimation. Any assumption that the Lions would get the fourth pick is pretty far fetched as I see it. It is much more realistic to place the earliest draft pick the Lions are likely to get at seventh or eighth.
So now let's look at the other side of the situation. If the Lions beat the Vikings they will certainly jump past the Vikings in the draft. They would be certain to draft after the winner of the Cardinals vs 49ers game as well. The earliest the Lions can draft is tenth with a win over the Vikings. But to get the tenth pick they also need:
- The Browns beat the Steelers at home
- The Seahawks beat the Rams at home
- The Titans beat the Colts on the road
- The Redskins beat the Giants on the road
I will pick the Steelers, Seahawks, Colts, and Giants to win. That would drop the Lions to the "lucky 13" pick in the 2011 NFL draft.
But the real point of all this is that a win over the Vikings will not cost the Lions ten picks as we might initially think. The real cost of a win over the Vikings is much more realistically in the range of four or five picks in draft position. If you are already going to be drafting at the seventh or eighth spot, as I have shown to be likely, then dropping a few more spots is not really a killer.
SO GO LIONS! BEAT THE VIKES!
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Couldn't agree more..
Past years i was on the Lose all the games you can cuz we need playmakers!..Well those days are long and gone..We have playmakers and i would be hapy on whichever pick we get for the simple fact our GM knows wth he is doing..That;s what makes this draft so much more interesting to watch cuz we are not locked in on a single player we need to take..I believe in my heart that whatever position /whomever we pick will be a starter in his 1st year and produce for us…So instead of the classical Go Lions when I watch the draft I’ll be hollerand Go Management!!!…Feels so so good!!!
Nice work TL, I recced you.
A very well presented post. Easy to read and thoughtful. Hope to read more of your stuff on here.
Those four or five spots could be the difference between having a shot at Amukamara [or a player of his caliber] or not. But let’s face it, Mayhew will draft the best player available and we have no clue where the prospects are going to end up on the Lions board.
Some players currently around the 13 [or later] spot on mock drafts:
CBs – Brandon Harris, Janoris Jenkins
LBs – Akeem Ayers, Travis Lewis, Bruce Carter [a risky reach?]
RB – Mark Ingram
WR – Julio Jones
OL – all of them. None are being projected before about mid first round.
DL – a lot of them EXCEPT Bowers, Fairley, Dareus.
There are also a number of QBs being mocked just ahead and around that spot. Might make it easier to trade down if Mayhew wants to.
seems how carter will likley be there at 45 yes it is a reach.. might even be there at 77
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The guy was a monster before his knee injury. I don't know how bad it was.
A couple of the scout sites I visit had him as the # 1 WLB before his injury.
by NorthLeft12 on Dec 29, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
he was
but from what i hear he will drop alot
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sandvet Sep 2010
Carter will likely be anohter Willis McGahee story...
Top 5-10 talent player drafted later in the draft because of a knee injury… Wait him out and you’ll get a top round talent on serious value. For what it’s worth the North Carolina website talks about him being ready to return to action in the fall so it doesn’t sound like he’s going to miss a substantial amount of time.
by FrankHarrison on Dec 29, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Precisely!
Bruce Carter will tumble in the draft, for certain. Days ago, I took over the scouting of the OLB43 players. While I’m still getting up to speed (with a little help from my friends) I see Bruce Carter as an investment, rather than a gamble.
Carter has been through a temultuous season at UNC. The scandal did not taint Carter, but the disruption, and distraction did have a risidual effect upon the team as a whole, and the defense in particular. Add the ACL injury suffered on Nov. 20th, and you have the perfect storm.
I firmly believe that Carter will be another McGahee story. Carter has “it”. That indefineable something that marks a player for greatness. Quick off the snap. Great speed in coverage. Most importantly, Carter has that intuitive, instinctive flair that always finds him in the play, if not making it.
In spite of the digital rocks being thrown at my analysis of Carter by draftniks and colleagues alike, Bruce Carter will be a top flight OLB – in 2012.
Is Carter worth the investment with a 3rd round pick? Hell yes! The caveat here is that the front office and coaching staff must have complete confidence in Carter, and be willing to invest time in a year long rehab and some “coaching up”. That front office also needs to feel confident enough in their own futures to make a play for Carter.
Carter is the real deal, and should be an early, speculative, 3rd rounder. NFL teams in need (Detroit) will pay carefull attention to Carter’s progress, Xrays, MRI’s, and medical reports. New England, with it’s embarrasment of riches in the draft, might take Carter in round 2.
While Bruce Carter will miss the Bowl season, Pro Days, and the Combine, he will be the comeback love story of 2012.
Book it!
Carter is going a beast
One knock on him was his drop in production this season. But alot was due to all his teams getting suspended or kick off the team. I am crossing my fingers that he will be there in the 2nd round whatever pick the Lions get.
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Bruce Carter's ACL injury
will keep him out of Bowl season, Pro Days, and the Combine. While his immediate value has diminished, Carter is a wise long term investment.
Do not be surprised if the Patriots take him in the late 2nd round.
In any event, Carter will certainly go in the 3rd round.
Stafford for Whoever snags Pattersn?????Whay ya guys think of that???
ii base it on Staffords unability to stay healthy…Love the guy but damn every hit he takes my hears stops :(
FAIL.
Come on man! You don’t trade a franchise QB for a guy who nobody knows whether he can play Corner or Safety in the NFL. I assume you mean Patrick Peterson?
The dude is trading our franchise QB away for a player he can even get his name right.
Imagine that conversation with the Broncos( assuming they draft Peterson) FO.
" We don’t have a Peterson on our roster. But would you take our LS Paxson?"
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Nice post
I think it is ridiculous to ever tank for draft position and wonder if teams ever really do it or if it is just an urban legend.
On a side note I hope that if we lose against Minny it won’t take away from all the good things this team has done down the stretch.
Expectations are way up and I hope regardless of the outcome the fans and the Lions realize this team is on the verge of something special next year
Wait, being a big man on a blog doesn't make me a big man in real life? WTF!!??
Looks like Sunday could be a tougher game than some thought.
Minnesota played pretty inspired football last night.
Absolutely
It won’t be easy. I hope the crowd is fired up.
A win would be icing on the cake but regardless I hope they get an ovation at the end of the game for keeping their heads up the whole season.
Wait, being a big man on a blog doesn't make me a big man in real life? WTF!!??
It would be great to not be in last place in the division
However, I do like the last to first place chance
by NashvilleLionFanatic on Dec 29, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it will...
I think the important goals for the Lions are already accomplished.
End the division losing streak… check
End the road losing streak… check
Get to five or six wins… check
The first two goals were self-explanatory as to why they needed to be accomplished. The five or six win mark was important for the Lions to be on schedule to reach a winning record and contend for a playoff spot next season.
2 wins —> 5 or 6 wins —> 9+ wins
So I feel the Lions are right on schedule to reach that 9+ win goal next season. The draft position they have this season will give them one more year where they draft in the bottom half of the league. That gives them this off-season to put some of the final touches on a winning roster and get a couple more guys that can make plays.
The Lions are soooo close to being a winning team. They were in so many games this year that they lost on bad decisions. Toward the end of the season they learned to make good decisions when the game is on the line and let the other team shoot themselves in the foot. If they had learned that lesson earlier the Lions could have won several more game this season.
So add a couple more impact guys and continued good decision making and I can see 9+ wins next season easily. It could be even more if they come out of the gate well.
The Lions
have every reason to play hard this Sunday. First they have to prove to themselves that they can beat Minnesota, second, if they play fluffy someone will get hurt, third, the lower the draft position the easier it is to make trades to improve next years team, fourth, scheduling; if the Lions want to find themselves playing a Monday night game they must impress. Minnesota showed the nation some surprising toughness on Tuesday, if the Lions beat them …very impressive.
"If they play fluffy"
Ok, I’ll bite…..who is Fluffy? What position does he play and when did we pick him up?……
Sounds like some kind of Human/Lion hybrid. Hope hes a lineman and if he is, I hope he hurts J Allen as he’s the only current Vike I currently cant stand.
by YpsilantiJeff on Dec 29, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
easyer and harder at the same time..
5-10 is what other teams want.. still top tallent but not as high paid..
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sandvet Sep 2010
i think the seashawks will lose though.. so 14th
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Very good post TL...
Keep em coming please.
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One note when picking games this week
A lot of teams that can’t move around in the playoff picture will be resting guys. I think that could lead to an upset or two.
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Yep, that is very true. So....
Here are the playoff situations that are in play as well…
The Bengals have to beat the Ravens on the road. Ravens need a win and a Steelers loss to clinch the division and a first round bye. The Ravens won’t rest anybody unless they are winning handily or the Steelers are blowing out the Browns.
The Bills would have to beat the Jets on the road. The Jets are in and cannot improve their position much, they might rest some guys.
The Cowboys would have to beat the Eagles on the road. The Eagles are locked into the #3 seed so they might rest some guys.
The Texans would have to beat the Jaguars at home. The Jaguars need to win and a Colts loss to take their division crown. They will probably play honest unless they blow out the Texans or the Colts blow out the Titans.
The Browns beat the Steelers at home. The Steeleres need to win in order to clinch their division and a first round bye. They will play everybody unless they get a big lead.
The Seahawks beat the Rams at home. This is a tough one to call. But the winner makes the playoffs and the loser is out. So they will play tough.
The Titans beat the Colts on the road. The Colts need to win to take their division. They will play everybody unless they get a big lead.
The Redskins beat the Giants on the road. The Giants need a win and a Packers loss to make the playoffs. They will play everybody unless they are winning big.
BTW, that means
The Bills and the Cowboys are the only teams likely to benefit from the opposition resting some players.
The Jets may play honest against the Bills though because they could get a slightly better matchup in the first round with a win.
The Cowboys have the biggest possibility of backups playing against them because the Eagles are locked in place and have nothing at all to play for.
Draft Position
Honestly, I don’t care about our draft position for once this off-season. I just want us to see us beat the Vikings and head into next year with a four game win streak. In the middle of the draft their are a lot of players that would fill our needs like a outside linebacker like Travis Lewis or a cornerback like Brandon Harris.
by Detroitsportsfan3 on Dec 29, 2010 2:10 PM EST reply actions
Confidence
I’ll take the Confidence they will gain by winning an extra game, and say we are better then half of the teams in the nfl over moving up in the draft. this can mean alot goiing into next season specially the first few games. I think if we had the confidence to go with out talen we would have win a few more games, like Chicago, Jets and couple of the other close one we let slip away.
I simulated a draft scenario with the Lions picking 14th I liked the results alot
1) Greg Jones OLB Michigan State
2) Quan Sturdivant OLB North Carolina
3) Benjamin Ijalana OG Villanova
4) Curtis Brown CB Texas
5) Andrew Rich FS BYU
6) Kevin Kowalski OC Toledo
7) Michael Egnew TE Missouri
I’d be happy with that scenario provided Mayhew picks up a starting OLB,CB,S in the free agent market. A 7th Rnd TE isn’t a bad option for the practice squad to train as a replacement for Heller.
GO BEAT THOSE VIKINGS BOYS !!!!
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
I don't like most of your draft Wayno.
Jones is not a first round player; should be able to get Travis Lewis or Akeem Ayers if we want a linebacker. Brandon Harris CB is another good one to look at here.
Jones may likely be available in the second round. If they really like him they should move up. If not, snag a corner here. Sturdivant is an inside linebacker. Depending on how things go at the combine you may have to take Ijalana here. He may not last to midway in the third round. Personally I really like what I have heard about this guy. He could be a great addition to our O Line.
In the third round I would take a shot at Bruce Carter. If he recovers well from his knee injury he could be the steal of the draft. A great WLB prospect if healthy. If not, and we don’t have a corner yet I would grab one of Curtis Brown, Jimmy Smith, Jalil Brown, or Jenkins ..whoever falls to here.
Draft tek simulation its not my draft I think Jones is shooting up in their minds
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
by Wayne Fontes on Dec 29, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, Wayne, not even close.
Jones is a huge reach at 14. Too big. The Lions would go into their BPA shell, and take a DE, or WR rather than reach so far.
If the Lions were to reach in round 1, they would be better served with CB Brandon Harris, the 3rd ranked CB in a DEEP CB class. I’d actually prefer a trade-down rather than a reach for Jones.
Sturdivant? Check! Q’uan will likely be gone in the 1st round unless the QBs continue their meteoric rise up EVERY draft board. I’d rather have Ryan Kerrigan.
3rd round. I’d like OLB Bruce Carter, ACL and all, as a project.
4th round. If Nebraska’s OLB Lavonte David is still there, snag him. At 6’ 1", 210 lbs, David will never have OLB size in the NFL. As a SS, David in Mr. Insta-stud. David is Nebraska’s leading tackler.
5th round. Now, the Lions can find good developmental value for the O-line.
6th round. Alex Henry. Who? Alex Henry wears number 90, wears regular football cleats, and not only kicks FGs, but is an excellent punter. Henry will not make it to the 7th round.
I'll re-do the simulation and put less emphasis on OLB
I am sure with the first pick the Lions will draft a playmaker could be RB,WR,CB,LB,DE but he will be a playmaker.
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by Wayne Fontes on Dec 29, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Try these paramaters for team needs, and let me know what you think
QB = 6
RBF = 4
RBC = 9
WRF = 9
WRP = 9
WRS = 9
OT = 2
OG = 2
TE = 9
OC = 2
FB = 9
DT43 = 9
DT34 = 9
DE43 = 9
DE34 = 9
OLB43 = 2
OLB34 = 9
ILB = 2
SS = 9
FS = 2
CB = 1
PK = 9
These are my “team needs” inputs into the ODS (Online Draft Simulator). There was nothing special about “Pairs”, other than SS/FS.
No grabs, or lockouts. All defaults.
I agree, insofar as St. Martin will go BPA in round 1, unless he can trade up/down for value. It’s gonna be interesting.
Will Do thanks Mike
maybe I will do some tweaking here and there afterwards, its fun just to see possible scenerio’s and watch players move up and down as the bowl games and off-season progresses.
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by Wayne Fontes on Dec 30, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, Wayne, I love draftTek's ODS. Simple to run and save multiple scenarios.
A new CMD, and Big Board rankings will be available Friday (I think). That Minnesota – Philly game on Tuesday really screwed up the CMD schedule. Management did the right thing by waiting. DT would have gotten a black eye if they had projected the Eagles as the de facto winner.
If you, or anyone else needs help with the ODS, please send an e-mail to browns@drafttek.com.
With all the tweaking that will take place due to:
Bowl performances
Combine performances
Pro Day(s)
Free agency
Injuries
Trades
DraftTek can adjust team needs interactively. That’s cool!
let say the lions draft at the 13 spot in the draft and your the gm want playears would be on your draft boarwred you most lickly will not draft this high afftear this year so witch way do you go with 1st rd pick off side or deff side of the ball your team needs our ot//rb//wr//or do go cb//olb//ss//de// and hear our the playears let might be thie at 13spot in the draft
1 joseph barksdale ot lsu can start at right ot rightway and will play left ot when backuss is done would be my pick if im locking long term upgrade ot spot on line
2 mark ingam rb alabama is bpa at 13spot in the draft if i stick to game plan in last few drafts
3 ras-i dowling cb virgina best of rest cb s left afftear the top 2 cbs in the a bit of reach at 13spot but would mack sure i least fill one spot of need on def side of the ball
4 deuta williams fs//ss north carlina would be hugage upgreade at spot on deffense ball
5travis lewis olb okahoma a bi t of reach at 13 spot of the draft but would fill a need
6allen baley de miami is one of bpa at 13spot in the draft but not real right now for team
7 akeem ayersolb ucla a real reach at 13spot of draft but might be worth the risk at 13spot in the draft all my 1st rd cbs on my draft boawred would have to be gone
8 derek sherrod ot //og mississppi state would upgrade right way at right og spot for the offensive line and would push for the rot dowen the road
9 robert quinn de north carolina top 10tailet might be thier 13 spot
10 ryan williams rb viginia tech is 2best rb in this draft
iknow alot say why do i have dowling on the lions draft boawred ahead of braden haris out miami beause he just had shoulder surgery and rest of the cbs in the draft are late to eraly 2rd picks but curit s browen ot texas might be late 1strd pick ithink the lions will trade dowen this year maybe ateam lick the pats who need a rb miight move up to get aplayer licke mark ingram or team in need of qbc might trade to get one few good young qcbs out of collage this year the lions our in the percet spot who needs to move up to get one of qcbs who might slip into 2rd will just have to weight and sea
pick #7-8 versus pick #13-14
Looking at this past decade, it doesn’t seem like there is necessarily all that much difference between the quality of players taken at 7-8 and the players taken at 13-14.
For example, Adrian Peterson was picked #7 in 2007, but Darelle Revis was #13 that same year. Who would you rather have? tough choice.
Here’s the past decade’s worth of picks 7 & 8, compared to picks 13 & 14 the same year. How often is the best player in column 1 clearly better than the players available in column 2?
I want to beat Minnesota on Sunday. Mayhew will find a good player no matter where we pick in the first round.
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by n4ry4 on Dec 29, 2010 4:00 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Nice research
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by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 29, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, very good n4ry4.
Mayhew and Schwartz will find and pick a guy that will likely start right away and be another important piece of the puzzle.
Nice perspective, n4y4!
St. Martin, and Co. have more than proven their ability to find the “right” player, at the right time. That can’t be said for many teams these days.
Great post Tuff
I want us to win, of course, so I’m thinking our draft position will be around that 10-ish position.
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Now call me crazy...
And I am not claiming to be the sharpest tool in the shed and maybe this has already been said and I just missed it but…
Based on the current ranking as of NOW (if the season ended today)
When the NFL does any type of tie breakers the 1st thing they look at is head to head match-ups… And if this is true then the Lions and the Cowboys should flip flop draft spots (7 and 9)…
If I am wrong let me know but if I am right let me know… Just not 100% on this matter and thought I would bring it up if it is true to broaden perspective on this issue..
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Not in the draft rankings...
The draft rankings go by winning percentage. If two teams have the same winning percentage then strength of schedule (SOD) is used as the first tie breaker. Only if the teams are still tied after SOS will they use the division and conference tie breaker formula. That is why I have the teams ranked by wins first then by SOS in the table.
cool deal thanx for the info
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by lionsfan_772 on Dec 30, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
My Question Is
What if (God forbid) the labor agreement isn’t completed by draft time. Will there still be a draft?
There will be no draft.
Underclassmen who declared for the draft may return to school, but cannot play since they are represented by agents.
NFL personnel are barred from having any communication with veterans, or prospective rookies.
No player is allowed to be on the team’s property for any reason.
The 2012 draft will be expanded to an undisclosed number of rounds to compensate for the influx of 2011 talent.
Sorry, I don't believe you know that for a fact.
Could you please link to a source that supports your statements?
You're completely wrong
If there’s a lockout, will there still be a draft next spring?
Yes, but it won’t be business as usual for the teams or for the players they select. With no CBA in place, teams won’t be able to sign players, and those post-draft minicamps will be non-existent. Also, in the absence of a CBA, the league’s ability to generate revenues from the new crop of big-name draftees will be limited. In other words, if you want to purchase one of those sweet new Jake Locker jerseys in the aftermath of his being drafted, you’ll have to buy one without his name on the back of it or wait until a new CBA is signed.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-laborquestions090810
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From what I heard was..
That the 2 are not exactly linked… Due to the fact when the players are drafted they don’t belong to the union just yet… The rookies have to sign with the union afterwords and that happens around the same time as when they sign their contract…
I can remember when Lavar Arrington came in he didn’t sign with the union and so you couldn’t get anything (jersey’s) with him linked to the NFLPA or the NFL he wasn’t even on Madden cause of it..
So while yes they are linked and go hand and hand there shouldn’t be any reason why the draft doesn’t happen based on this info I read/heard (NFL network)
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by lionsfan_772 on Dec 30, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
They can probably hold the draft, as it is just the rights to sign the player they are drafting
They would need the CBA to actually sign the players though
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OK so you put it in simplier terms
lol
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by lionsfan_772 on Dec 30, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
yes. There still can be a draft. It is that they would have to move up. And have it in February.
The “Last Year” of the current CBA ends in the first part of March. I believe March 5th. They have had dicusses about this already.
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While that makes sense,
The NFL and NFLPA would never move the draft up to february.
First, much needed info from the Combine and Pro Days would be unavailable.
Then, you have both sides using the draft as leverage in negotiating.
The NFL leverage is that those 6-7th rounders, and UDFAs will have virtually no chance of being drafted in 2012.
The NFLPA’s leverage is that if the veterans decertify the NFLPA, the owners can’t lock the players out. The owners would be on the hook for health care, and the NFL minimum wage scale while the draft and season goes down the toilet.
Good angle though.
Why do you think you know this stuff as a fact?
Please let people know that this is your opinion and not NFL policy.
Again, you're completely wrong
If there’s a lockout, will there still be a draft next spring?
Yes, but it won’t be business as usual for the teams or for the players they select. With no CBA in place, teams won’t be able to sign players, and those post-draft minicamps will be non-existent. Also, in the absence of a CBA, the league’s ability to generate revenues from the new crop of big-name draftees will be limited. In other words, if you want to purchase one of those sweet new Jake Locker jerseys in the aftermath of his being drafted, you’ll have to buy one without his name on the back of it or wait until a new CBA is signed.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-laborquestions090810
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Thanks Sean. It is getting annoying reading stuff that is presented as fact when it is just his speculation or opinion.
Thanks for providing some clarity. Makes me suspicious of some of his other pronouncements.
by NorthLeft12 on Dec 30, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
The draft is scheduled for April 29-30
and it is included in the current CBA. I would think MikeyClaw would know these facts since he is a scout.
It was 3rd & 7; Delhomme dropped to pass
"Man, I hope, I don't get knocked on my ass"
He felt twisting and clawing, "When will it stop?"
Then SUH ripped his head off, like a bottle of pop!!
Yeah, I'm a Lions fan
He also apparently writes for Bleacher Report. It all makes sense now.
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by Sean Yuille on Dec 31, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Bleacher report!!
Wow !!! we have a real writer in our midst.
Your first comment on this site. And that is it???? - JCruize
yes but for the minor league of american football
Where all ex Lions can be a star.
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
What is interesting, is that of the top 25 linebackers in the league, many were taken right around that 12th pick ;)
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
There is a very good reason for that.
First, LBs have a high “bust” rate that depresses their value.
Second, LBs need to fit defensive alignments (4-3, 3-4, or hybrids like Buffalo)
Third, LBs who are picked in the top 10 are extremely pricey. Much more so than DTs, NTs, or DEs picked in comparable draft positions.
Pouncy
i want me some pouncy, he will help us in the trenches big time, not as much as suh did on defense, but he will make a impact right away and will be a staple in our o-line for years to come, trade down is my idea if possible.
by Lions Drive Me Nuts on Dec 30, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions
is he as highly rated as his brother?
It was 3rd & 7; Delhomme dropped to pass
"Man, I hope, I don't get knocked on my ass"
He felt twisting and clawing, "When will it stop?"
Then SUH ripped his head off, like a bottle of pop!!
Yeah, I'm a Lions fan
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