Lions Fall To Bears, Extend Division Losing Streak To 19 Games
The last time the Lions beat a division opponent was back on Oct. 20, 2007. Detroit defeated the Bears, 16-7, to complete the season sweep of Chicago. Since then, the Lions have racked up 19 consecutive losses to teams from the NFC North. Loss No. 19 was delivered today by Rod Marinelli, Mike Martz and the Bears, who beat Detroit by a score of 24-20.
Today's game was back and forth for three quarters. In the first quarter, for example, Drew Stanton scored on a three-yard touchdown run to put the Lions on top, 7-0. He celebrated the play by doing quite possibly the worst version of the Dougie I have ever seen. Nonetheless, Detroit led thanks to the score, until Chester Taylor punched it in from a yard out on the ensuing Chicago drive, tying things up at seven early on.
In the second quarter, the Lions got more points from a former Spartan when Dave Rayner connected on a 50-yard field goal, giving the lead back to Detroit. Just like the sequence in the first quarter, however, the Bears answered Detroit's score with a touchdown. This time Matt Forte scored for the Bears, getting into the end zone from 14 yards out and putting Chicago on top for the first time in this game.
Unlike the first meeting between these two teams earlier this season, the Lions got a big boost of momentum at the end of the first half. Detroit was backed up on its own nine-yard line with only 53 seconds left, but Jahvid Best and Calvin Johnson made two big plays to completely change the outlook of this game. First Best ran for 45 yards after disappearing into the pile and breaking outside for the big gain. Then, on the very next play, Johnson caught a pass and stiff-armed a couple defenders as he ran down the field and into the end zone for a 46-yard touchdown. Just like that the Lions went 91 yards in two plays and took a 17-14 lead into halftime.
The theme of the second half for the Lions was not capitalizing on good plays and excellent opportunities. The first example of this came in the first two minutes of the third quarter. Jay Cutler fumbled on the second play of the quarter and the ball was recovered by Turk McBride on the Chicago nine-yard line. Although the Lions lead the NFL in converting red zone appearances into touchdowns, they were unable to do so after the fumble, settling for a 25-yard field goal. It was still nice to make it a 20-14 game, but the Lions really could have used a touchdown after starting the drive on the nine-yard line.
After trading punts, the Bears got a 54-yard field goal from Robbie Gould to cut the lead down to three points. Detroit looked like it was going to answer with points of its own as the fourth quarter got underway, but a failed fourth-down conversion prevented that from happening. The Lions did convert a 4th and 1 once on this drive, but the second time 4th and 1 came up a Stanton pass to Nate Burleson was incomplete. The Lions originally were going to run the option and probably would have picked up the first down, but Jim Schwartz called timeout right before Stephen Peterman would have been flagged for a false start.
The Bears took over with good field position and quickly moved down the field, getting 20 yards on a pass to Forte, six yards on a Taylor run and 12 more yards on a pass to Earl Bennett. The next play was a scramble by Cutler that went for eight yards. But wait, there's more! Chicago got a gift of seven extra yards on one of the worst calls I've seen all season. Ndamukong Suh ferociously pushed Cutler from behind to stop his run and was flagged for unnecessary roughness. The explanation was that Suh threw a forearm shiver into the back of Cutler's head, but that was not what happened at all. Suh pushed Cutler in the shoulder pads and although it was a hard hit, it was not worthy of a penalty. As one of you pointed out, this would have been a legal play in two-hand touch, yet Ed Hochuli threw his flag and gave the Bears free yards. On the very next play, Cutler found Brandon Manumaleuna for seven-yard touchdown, putting the Bears on top, 24-20.
Stefan Logan showed yet again why he should be a Pro-Bowler on the ensuing kickoff, taking it back 60 yards to the Chicago 40. Although the last couple of plays went poorly for Detroit, Logan's great return should have served a spark to retake the lead. Instead, after Stanton was sacked for a loss of nine and the Lions eventually were faced with 4th and 16 at the 40, the great return led to only a punt, which went into the end zone for a touchback.
Chicago got the ball back with 5:17 on the clock and like the Packers game earlier this year, that was all she wrote for Detroit. The Bears moved the chains three times and were able to simply run out the clock. The Lions never got a chance to touch the ball the rest of the game, allowing Chicago to leave Ford Field with a 24-20 victory.
This game followed a similar script to many of the Lions' losses this season. The Lions kept things close and led for much of the game, but in the end the opponent took the lead and never looked back. That was what happened today and it's a shame because Drew Stanton played extremely well. I have criticized him plenty in the past, but allow me to eat my crow, because he looked good today, completing 16 of 24 passes for 178 yards and one touchdown. He also rushed for one touchdown, and most importantly today he gave the Lions a chance to win. They didn't, but it wasn't because of Stanton.
On defense, Cliff Avril deserves some love for the game he had. He was credited with three sacks and wreaked havoc with the Bears' offensive line all day long. His play also helped Turk McBride get a sack and a forced/recovered fumble that led to points early on in the second half. He has shown his explosiveness in the past and it was especially on display today, as he now has seven sacks this season despite missing three games.
Next up for the Lions is another chance to end this NFC North losing streak, as the 8-4 Packers are coming to town. The Lions lost a close one at Lambeau earlier this season, but hopefully at home they will be able to finally get a win against an NFC North foe.
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Nice game guys
You had a great gameplan on offense and the defense played inspired all day. Gave the Bears all they could handle.
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
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Thanks.
By the way, nice signature d-bag.
"I don't take shit from anybody... If I have to throw somebody on their neck two times for them to understand that, it's that simple. They are not going to disgrace me." -Ndamukong Suh
Yeah forgot about that from game one
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
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well I forgot about it til now
but since I was trying to be gracious and pay you some kudos now I take it back..stop whining about refs and such and get some better players. Problem is the sig rings true..
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
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So they were fake kudos
Didn’t take much for you to take it back. I think at the end of the day what you required from this was attention, you were waiting for the chance to throw this one up and wait for the reaction.
No, I was sincere and was very impressed
far more than the first game where we moved up and down the field and kept you in the game with the four fumbles. But then you have back to back guys giving me crap so screw it, I thought you guys outplayed us in the first half and then the Bears stepped up their D in the second half a bit. I thought the Lions had a pretty good gameplan for Stanton and he executed well for the most part. Much brigter future than the Vikings in my estimation. But screw it if you don’t want the Kudos..
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
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and this is why...
i always root for chicago to burn to the ground.
Pretty much everyone I meet from there is exactly like this jackass.
Yes I am a jackass for praising your team
this attitude is why your city has already burned to the ground..
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
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Maybe if the Lions didn't dance and celebrate after every play
and focused on the next play they could finish the game off..
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
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That is enough
I’ll finish what I originally said, great effort today, bright future for you guys. I would be really excited about some of the skill position guys and have some budding superstars. Fill in a few areas and be better than 8-8 next year. Good Luck for the rest of the year.
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
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See this is thing
Lets assume you are sincere. Fine, thank you, but when you say something falttering and then follow it with an insult it negates the positive. tha fact that you then did not change the sig during the whole thing means my original point. that you like attention.
The whole thing is mind boggling. Althoughtboth you and the Pride member’s “City burning down” things were uncalled for.
I was going to change the sig until I was getting ripped
on for paying the team a compliment and then they took it downhill from there.
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
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WTF are you complimenting?
2-10?
Give me a break.
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I think you guys have some great building blocks
QB, Dline, oline is improving, WR. I mean some stud pieces. Pick up some decent secondary help in FA, LB, and Oline in the draft and could be 8-8 next year and on your way. Much better than other teams like Denver, Bills, etc.. Look at the rams? Could have a winning record this year.
"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..
Don't change it.
You were attacked and it was not deserving.
There is still quite a few us that are still delusional and willing to blame anyone but the team or the coaching staff for the lost. Do I feel we got a couple bad calls? Sure. Did I feel like the Bears got a couple bad calls? Sure. But what did the Bears do that the Lions didn’t? They Won. But what do most of us resort to when we don’t get our way? We bash the officiating over one bad call (like the Bears didn’t get bad calls of their own) or we take it out on visitors and get all pissed angry about references that happened TWO MONTHS AGO or attack other Lions’ fans who are more realistic about the situation. Bottom line is you won against a team you should beat, there is a reason you guys are a 9-3 team and we are only 2-10. Not saying your team is great or good but you guys have been finding ways to win and you were getting bad calls too, that accounts for something. We on the other hand, haven’t been finding any ways to win all season but let the little yellow flag come out any time during the game on call that is gray and all hell breaks loose. Blame the officials, blame the NFL, blame Roger Goodell, and blame God.
And I’m sorry about the raw attitudes these guys are showing you and how childish some of us Lions fan can act. I appreciate the sentiments and compliments but we are a bad team and need to get better in bad way.
And going back to your sig, with the way some of the people act here, I would be surprised if someone actually did say that.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
Avril needs the sprint game ball this week
Cliff was a beast today. Can’t put that loss on Stanton he played the best I have ever seen him play today. Maybe his days in the NFL aren’t numbered after all.
Did I mention..I love the Phonz!
Yeah he's definitely gonna get it
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+1
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 5, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Either Avril or Stanton deserve it
Stanton played almost well enough to get the W.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Dougie
While Stanton played very well which I’m very happy about, we definitly could’ve done without the dougie… Thats what I am crediting this loss to, haha
Avril was awesome, and I also think Spievey looked really good and has played well lately, especially considering he hasn’t been playing saftey very long…. We still just need to find a way to win games
Detroit Lions = Super Bowl Champs in 2013... Only thing that could stop is a possible world appocalypse the year before
The Phonz's problems continue....
I hate to point it out…but once again the Phonz had a bad game. Not as bad as last time…but he wasn’t wrapping up and he was getting beat all game. I like Phonz but what’s going on? He’s mirroring the Lions. The Lions as a team tend to win the first half and drop the second half and the game…the Phonz did great the first half of the year…second half he’s hitting a wall. I hope he can step up and play like he did at the start of the year…
Celebrating
I just wish the Lions would stop all the celebrating until they have winning record. We got a first down…lets celebrate. We got a touchdown..lets celebrate. We need to win a game, then celebrate. Avril, Stanton, CJ and Best good games.
Let 'em celebrate
For goodness sakes, this has to be the most heartbreakin’ season for them in quite some time. Why? Because they have so much talent, yet, they can’t finish games. To have so many close games against so many great teams that they’ve should’ve beat is heart-wrenching and frustrating. Be that as it may, these men have to play 16 games a year, no matter what. So, if doing a dance (in the worst way possible) is going to take the heat off, give them confidence, and turn into better plays on the field, then you bet your ass they can celebrate.
They’ll get their act together and when they do, they’re going to wreak havoc.
Spievey
He ’s showing great signs of improvement
Our LB corps played poorly, as usual, except in 3rd quarter
Stanton played better I expected, but he fails on key downs
I've been saying that about Spievey for weeks.
He’s especially very good in run support. His coverage skills need some work for sure.
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by delusional on Dec 5, 2010 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He needs to wrap up more though instead of goign for that missle like hit. It is a gamble that will cost the team, because it si not an if he misses, it is a when he misses.
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I agree Esmurf. Those hits can look impressive but guys don't always go down after those hits.
I still think he has a future, but I have not seen him make one play on a passed ball this year. Hard to believe he was considered a good cover corner.
By the way, it may not sound like it but I still think he can be an very good Safety. He just has a lot to learn.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
I would LOVE...
Safety- Delmas, Spivey
CB- Houston, P.Peterson, Smith (Nickel)
8====D my lil' j16941
Tackling is a lost art amongst these young players.
The kid has a nose for the ball on run support, but he is pretty shaky in pass coverage.
The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.
Plus, safeties don't come R. Lott size anymore
You see the majority of safeties nowadays that look like they can line up one on one with a WR. It’s got a big part to deal with tackling because most small safeties (including Delmas) don’t wrap up but rather shoot in with their head.
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Great game fellas . You guys may have a losing ....
…. record , but you play like winners . You guys never gave up and came hard for 4 quarters . Much respect guys and good luck the rest of the season . Oh yea …. Go beat the Packers !!!!!!!
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Mike Tyson
I was very happy with Drew's play today. He was not the reason we lost.
So for this week, I’ll put his picture up for my profile. He was one play away from winning this game…….something we have said about Shaun Hill at least four times this year.
Disappointing result again but we have some guys out there who can really make some plays. The Linebackers were all terrible today. That position has to be upgraded next year. The secondary did not have a good game either.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
Actually I think he is ther reason we lost, because he was not a difference maker, in the clutch Cutler made the plays where Drew took a bad sack and throw into coverage on a 4th and 1
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Once again our last two drives were very disappointing.
We had a third and one on the Bear 41 and gave it up on downs, then a first and ten on the Bear 34 and punted. We had our chances.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
And there is no doubt in my mind that Hill would of made those plays..
because he has won so many games for us down the stretch.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
He's being sarcastic...justifiably so.
Stanton is being held up to some sort of high standard in his 2nd start in 4 years.
The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.
I don't see a high standard...
I think if a guy was a rookie QB, you could say he lost the game for the team and not be expecting too much. I was impressed with Drew and actually look forward to seeing him this week, since he’ll have that much more experience running with the no.1’s. But I’ll tell you what, Stafford would’ve made the plays when he needed to, don’t forget, Hill is not our starter.
This may end up being the rare year that you may be able to trade down from #1
Since there’s an increasing chance the Lions are going to get it. Depends on how much a team wants Andrew Luck.
PIZZA?!?
who says we don't want luck?
with the salary cap in effect for rookies from the draft we could afford him.
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Would definitely make for an interesting offseason
If we got the #1 pick. Between the CBA talk and the debate about trading/picking Luck/etc., lots to talk about.
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I absolutely do not want Luck, drafting two 1st round QBs is a great way to make your franchise bankrupt while you destroy your locker room at the same time
Drafting Luck would be the most idiotic thing ever. Unless Staffords career is over due to injury, which it is not.
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I think if we drafted Luck
It would strictly be to trade him. But that’s a long ways away.
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Back to Back season of watching our "Starting QB" spend more time on the bench than on the field
Sorry, that is not a Starting QB.
As for the bankruptcy? How do you figure? The rookie salary cap is going to be in effect. He will come far cheaper than Stafford ever was.
Also, if Stafford can’t take a little pressure from competition with another promising QB than he is not the player we want being our Franchise leader.
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"a little pressure from competition"
a little pressure from competition would come from, i don’t know, a 2nd or 3rd rounder (stretching as far as I can).
not a first rounder with a signing bonus (size TBD)
personally i’m on the side of “better to hope stafford can do better in 2011*”
*if there’s a 2011
by redwingxviii on Dec 6, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Why is everyone ignoring the coming rookie salary cap
Those monstrous paydays for rookies is a thing of the past. Gone.
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it is already agreed with the players and management
that rookies are making way WAY too much. The difference is going to huge.
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I would like to know...
where you’re reading about “decreases”….
All that I’ve read is about a ‘cap’.
it has been all over the place
I am not going to do your research for you. Read around. its out there.
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they are going to cap it and decrease the rookies salary
This is not a point of contention between the owners and players. Both sides agree rookies are making way too much.
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Again...
I have never read anything about decreasing the current… just capping the exorberant increases.
Notice there wasn’t a HUGE increase this year in the pay… I think you’ll see the # 1 pick capped at equal or on par with Stafford’s and Bradford’s salary. (as in they will be the model.)
by CLF on Dec 6, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
there is no way that is happening
Rookie QBs making as much money as proven franchise QBs. Come on man. You really think the players and management are going to settle on that?
It will not even be close.
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Until you show me where you get
your opinion from…
yes, I do.
Sorry, but it seems my interpetation on the situation differs from yours… unfortunately… the deal isn’t done and there is no information to sway either of our opinion at this time.
If you thinkthat’s retarded… then You might as well look in the mirror as you think.
by CLF on Dec 6, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Where did I say retarted?
Settle down there snippy long stockings.
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I've heard talking heads talk about each as a possibility
To some degree or anohter here and there tiome to time.
Cheaper?
Doubt it…
I expect they cap guaranteed money only….. Also, I would expect they start the cap at the current level… 30-40 million.
Then the amount of years?
… what I’m saying is, I don’t expect a Rookie cap to LOWER the price, but level it out.
They have already stated from both sides
Rookies are making far too much. Both sides agree. This is going to be a huge cut for rookies. Why do you think so many under class players declared this year. They knew next year was going to be capped. They took their fat paydays while they could.
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Good luck proving this statement....
This is going to be a huge cut for rookies.
Personal research has not been able to confirm this. The only thing to go on is the word CAP…. which would assume just that…. Implementing a pay scale based on current market value per draft pick…. Instead of having an all out bidding war, hold outs and Jamarcus Russell deals.
Joshun. You have to be f-en kidding me advocating drafting another QB before rebuilding that goshdamn Oline, or adding to the D.
The Lions if they trade down will get punked bad by teams knowing that Stafford is Schwartz’s boy until he’s let go.
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I am not kidding
I agree we need o line help and D help but tying our future to the glass cannon scares the hell out of me.
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Oline first, then get QBs.
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+1
No way in hell would I want to go though this again with another rookie QB behind that line.
You got the DET way and you have the JETS way of plugging in and protecting a rookie QB. What am I missing?
Watch the difference tonight.
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Cool then
It takes 2 to 3 years to rebuild an O line. It is not a one season thing like the D line where you add talent and cut them loose.
First round talent that can start and impact an O line are rare. There does not appear to be anyone like that coming out in this years draft. So we are looking at 2 years if not more to get this O line improved. We have one piece grooming now. I am not sure if he will work out or not. Fox, but if he did succeed he would help speed things up.
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Pretty simplistic way of looking at it.
The Jets grabbed Ferguson and Mangold in the first round of the 2006 draft, then added Woody who was cut loose by the Lions at the end of 2007. They already had Brandon Moore who was an undrafted free agent at one Guard and then added Slauson to replace the overpaid Alan Faneca at the other Guard in 2009.
Are we prepared to wait three years or more to get an O Line together? I thought the O Line played pretty well on Sunday. Over 130 yards rushing and only two sacks against one of the best defences in the NFL. If we can upgrade Peterman and/or Raiola we should be okay.
And besides, why do you assume the Lions will draft outstanding O Linemen? Remember Stockar McDougle? Aaron Gibson? There is no guarantee when you pick a Lineman. Who would you have picked over Stafford in 2009? None of those guys is doing all that well. Jason Smith is a Right Tackle, Andre Smith is a Guard who isn’t playing, and Eugene Monroe is very inconsistent and injured too.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
Well if we didn't take Stafford, and focused on the O-line, we would have 2 years under our belt already.
Come on NL, to use this one game as a “oh the O-line is pretty decent” after a season of nothing, is pretty simplistic also.
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hmmm...
I think the Oline is on the right path… AND in a position to add a rookie in at any time.
Sacks this year have shown their improvement… running has shown where they’re lacking. One more ‘bluechip’ or decent player and the rushing will turn around too.
I’m not sold on the argument that the Lions have a shitty Oline.
Its not their fault Stafford can’t take a hit. (LOL, people)
by CLF on Dec 6, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know CLF...Kind of disagree...
A lot of that low sack total corresponds with our low yard per pass total.
Quick TE passes.
The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.
Look...
They all stayed healthy, they would all start anywhere in the league… to scrap the entire line would do what?
I’m saying bring some young 350pound guys and let them beat out the current roster. Easy enough?
The Lions have a Mediocre line, right?… so any young guy that can beat out mediocrity will improve the line, right?
The Current Oline is not horribly bad… just not really good… perfect for a slow building franchise.
by CLF on Dec 6, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Especially when 60 of that 130 was because Best was stuffed with NO HOLE...
and just happened to finally bounce outside to gain 60…..lol…So please spare me any the O-line is okay stuff.
The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.
So which one of those guys would you have taken over Staff?
I thought so.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
I wanted Jason Smith over Stafford..
but hindsight is 20/20.
And even though now I feel Stafford is the right pick, he still hasn’t been incredibly effective on the bench either.
But there is nothing wrong with wanting to build an offensive line before you get a QB. That is exactly how you build a strong and dominant team for the future. Lions offensive line has never been better than average and it’s been like this for years and plenty of those years they have been horrible. Upgrading on the offensive line should be this team’s number one priority every offseason but it never is.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
+1
A very proven principle in the NFL except for the Lions.
It is all water under the bridge and Schwartz is going to have his coaching career linked to Stafford…..Okay, he’s the coach, so lets roll with it one more year.
The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.
Wrong. The proven principle is to take the QB.
I mean look at the draft history. There is no comparison. The only time you take an O Lineman #1 is when you are sure you are getting a Hall of Famer………….and the QBs are nowhere near as good.
In 2009 it was not even close. Smith, Smith, and Monroe all had their issues and did not grade out as All Pro prospects.
Here are the three Tackles picked #1 overall; Ron Yary, Orlando Pace, and Jake Long. Some other amazing Tackles were not picked until third or fourth even though it was pretty much accepted they would be All Pros [Munoz, Boselli, Ogden] most of their careers.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
I don't think it's the fact you draft an OL before a QB.
I think it’s more of having an Oline already built before you draft a highly touted QB.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
Of course were wrong.
We haven’t agreed on anything season long.
I no longer even pay attention to any stats, examples, or names you throw out there NL. You’ll twist anything to prove your point.
For every example your give, there’s another out there proving your wrong.
The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.
Like I said a lot of you guys don't let facts get in the way of your opinion.
That’s fine, just don’t try and say that your opinion is the accepted way that things are done in the NFL when it can be proven not to be.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
Jason Smith
and no Pettigrew but Malaluga or Lauranitis.
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Rookie Cap
The correct term is rookie wage scale and here is an article about it. And a quote to the relevant point.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Goodell-weighs-in-on-CBA-rookie-wage-scale-at-symposium.html
When the topic of a rookie wage scale was raised, Goodell made it clear he believes players should be rewarded for their work on the field. The current crop of rookies will not be affected by any rookie pay system, so surely they are all in favor of a new system that prevents No. 1 overall picks from hauling in contracts worth more than $40 million guaranteed. After all, no team wants to be associated with the next JaMarcus Russell.
"I think a new rookie compensation system is critical," Goodell said. "I think it’s important that we have a system that is designed to reward players who succeed on the NFL field. And when a player is paid a lot of money and doesn’t make it in the NFL, and that money leaves the system, that’s not good for anybody. So I think we need to reward performance on the field."
I have to say that Joshsun is on point here. The idea is to reduce the teams risk in investing in an unproven player. While some might think that it will only result in caps to the signing bonus, that is the only number that matters, because that is the only cap hit number in an NFL contract.
When you trade or cut a player, many times you have already paid that huge signing bonus, and you do not get that money back. Hence the term guaranteed money. So the trade partner gets a much more cap friendly salary to pay with no bonus until one is next scheduled, or the player hits FA with your dollars in pocket. Nothing drives this home more than the Albert Haynesworth situation. If your confused on that then just use the Google and you will get up to speed quickly.
So even if a guy is making 10 mil a year in base salary, non bonus money, if you cut him you pay zero future dollars for his services not being rendered. Many times players can be suspended without pay too. Again Fat Albert comes into play. But any way you cut it, the NFL as a whole wants to eliminate the guaranteed money to rookies.
Now all of that being said most rookies would stick with a team for 3-4 years before a team will give up on them, so they will likely have to get into base salary restrictions too or nothing will really change.
With all of that being said I think in the draft you have to consider what you pass up on and what you get. Does anyone here seriously want to pass up on a shutdown corner for an insurance pick to Stafford’s health? That will never happen with our current front office. Mayhew and Schwartz do not try to alter their plan based on conjecture of future injuries that may never happen. No we will take BPA and it will not be a quarterback, or if it is one you can bet your house that Stafford is done.
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Oh and while there is a slim chance that we could draft him to trade him I think he will be off the board before we pick.
IMO Carolina will be picking first, and maybe the Bengals picking second. Both of those teams would take hm for their own reasons IMO not even considering what others might give them for him.
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I fogot the Bills, who may pick ahead of us also and need a quarterback too.
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While nobody wants a Jamarcus Russell, I think a lot of them want a Peyton Manning, John Elway, Troy Aikman, etc.
Of course the NFL owners want to limit what they pay……to anybody, let alone unproven rookies. With the ability to cut a guy and get out of any contract [less the guaranteed money] the NFL owners already have it better than any other sports league.
To me this is another typical insurance/welfare system for Big Business. The NFL owners want to be protected from their own stupidity or bad luck. I wish we all had that, but alas we are responsible for our own mistakes unlike most corporations and businesses.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
And also...why are rookie contracts so big?
The owners should look in the mirror or at the guy sitting next to them in the next owners meeting. They are bidding themselves up. Most of these players have no other option [CFL, UFL, Baseball?] so why are rookie contracts so big?
Stupidity and greed. Mostly the stupidity part.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
Panthers....
have you watched the Panthers play this year? They may only get 1 win….the only team left on their schedule that they could probably get a win against is the Cardinals. I don’t think they’ll get this win though…don’t think things will go their way. I think the Panthers are a pretty good lock for 1st overall pick
CAR is bad, thought they had a shot when they were up early
They could beat ARI depending where they both are at the time.
PIZZA?!?
All these Bears fans
Have me pulling for the Packers this year.
Even when they try to be classy, they just can’t pull it off.
I hate the F-en Bears.
That’s about the only thing that’s seriously pissing me off..Losing to those POS.
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by delusional on Dec 5, 2010 7:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As much as I hate Chicago and the Bears...
I hate Green Bay just a tad more.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
I hate them but you have to respect them, when your the redheaded stepchild getting your ass beat every week, best to just keep your mouth shut and do your chores till you get big enough to kick someones ass :P
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Tell that to Burleson and the rest of the loud mouths in the locker room.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
Is it you again?
Still not knowing what topic of discussion is being discussed?
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
I couldn't watch this game
So, I can’t give my normal thoughts. It’s just another case of playing a fairly strong game, but not being able to sustain it for long enough. In saying that though, we played better than I expected. I thought we’d really struggle on offence, but that wasn’t the case at all and I think a lot of credit should go to Stanton, who played a mistake free game. Good on him.
As for the defence, well, we had trouble stopping Cutler and the running game. Avril was fantastic so big props to him, but everyone else needs to step.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
Nick Harris has to be
The best Tackling Punter in the NFL.
If you can't spell practise write, then dont repond!
haha
and all those people that wanted to draft a new one. he saved us there… unless you don’t KICK IT to hester..
by yamahawarrior89 on Dec 5, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
LoL true, I give Nick props for that, wish he was better at getting that backard spin to kill balls at the goal line though
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stanton was pretty good!
can’t remember who i was disagreeing with this week, but i was wrong. liked watching stanton today.
i heard a lot of interesting fire schwartz comments at the bar today, i don’t think it will happen for at least one more year no matter what the fans think though.
Stanton was ok, I would not want him as a starter though.
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agreed
i thought he was better than hill though (of late, at least)
by redwingxviii on Dec 6, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Because broken arms or not..
Hill has put the dagger in so many teams.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
Stanton
he was pretty good for a 3rd stringer. Schwartz and linahan did a good job of setting up a game plan made for his talents. once the bears made D adjustments he wasn’t good enough to make the correct reads and throws but overall not bad.
Avril was a freaking beast today really had 4 sacks and FF.
I think the jury’s still out on speivy. hes a rookie and inconstant. But he is better than CC Brown
Lets get ready to welcome Patrick Peterson!!
Suh penalty was further proof the refs look for detroit to do something wrong. Where was the PI when stanton threw to johnson for the first time.
Best still doesn’t have his explosiveness but he had a pretty good game. Top end speed is still there.
Pettigrew had another drop..but he is tied for the led in Rec among TE’s
Megatrons TD was pretty sweet.
refs
it sure seems to me that if there is a bad call to be made, it goes against the lions. hoculi especially has it in for the lions. his crew is the worst in the nfl. i am still miffed as to why linehan does not try and get cj the ball more. although stanton wasnt as bad as i expected, he showed why he is third string. he didnt make plays in crucial situations.very similar to hill. that seperates the 2nd and 3rd stringers from the elites at qb. i watch alot of games and the so called stars get alot of calls there way, when is cj gonna get some. he got mugged on the one play, dude held his arm and the ball hit him in the chest, no call. its a joke. pettigrew cant catch anything in traffic. im starting to think he is a big pu**y.
Sort of like the no PI call for Hester in the end zone
when the DB didn’t look back and mugged him. Refs had nothing to do with this game today, Bears made adjsutments in the second half on Defense to stop the Lions from moving the ball like they did in the first half. That was it.
"We were freaking robbed!! Our defense totally dominated all day! What? we gave up nearly 500 yards on defense? Yeah but we stopped them on the 1 yrd line! Our D is awesome!!"
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Refs
Refs having been making horrible calls all year against EVERY team. While I don’t think the refs cost the Lions the game…I still think the UR call on Suh against Cutler was bogus. Even watching the play in real time you could see him extend both arms and no deliver a “forearm shiver.” It’s as bad, if not worse, then the call against Suh for a horse collar tackle when he pulled Marion Barber down by his hair (which is a legal tackle).
Refs 2
Until the Lions start winning games we are going to continue to get fucked. It seems that the shittier team gets the short end of the stick on a questionable call from the refs. Don’t get me wrong i dont consider Suh’s hit on Cutty illegal at all but the refs are going to keep going with the winners before the losers on something that in real time may be close to judge.
I agree after the replay that the call was sketchy
I think the ref in live speed saw Cutlers head snap and he based the call off of that. It was a bad call but only cost 8 yards and the bears had only short yardage to pick up the first.
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I thought I seen Cutler's head snap back too.
But I also thought it was a fair hit because he was a runner.
But none of this would of mattered if the Lions would of tackled him before he got 10 yards down the field. The way Cutler was breaking tackles you think he was spending time with Mike Vick during the off-season.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
He is used to running for his life
with our Oline
"Better lucky than Good", but we are good! We really are..
The Lions got calls too.
Anyone remember the 2 person recovered fumbled that by “rule” went back to the team that fumbled the ball?
In my opinion, that was a lost fumble, almost all the time if the team that lost the ball doesn’t have complete a full possession after wards the possession arrow is going the other way.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
seriously...
that is common knowledge…mutual possession is awarded to the offense. Have you ever seen a WR and CB fight for a ball, if it’s even close to half, it’s given to the offense.
Not the same situation at all.
They were fighting for the ball at the bottom of a pile and possession could of easily gone back to Chicago. But knowing you and so many others, you would of called foul play against the Lions. So thankfully we got the ball back, it’s one less thing for you guys to complain about.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
a Lions player and a Bears player...
both shared possession. How is it completely different. Can someone get this guy a clue for Christmas.
A WR and DB fight for possession one on one is the same as I don’t know who is at the bottom of 15 200 lbs men fighting for a loose ball? Yep, makes sense.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
"Da Penalty's"
The Lions average like 10 penalty’s a game, we had 8 against us with the Bears.Until this changes the result will be the same. GO LIONS!
by another1bitesthedust on Dec 6, 2010 4:13 AM EST reply actions
Actually, we only had six penalties for 42 yards.......don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.
But still people are moaning about the Refs and penalties costing us this game.
This game was almost a repeat of the Packers game. The Lions had a drive into the other team’s end, could not finish it, punted, and then could not stop the other team from burning all the time left. Over six minutes in Green Bay, and over five minutes yesterday. So, both the offence and defence had their chance to win the game and could not do it.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
Agree.
But that encroachment that set up the Bears last TD (I think) was bad. It was bad enough that during that drive Cutler was picking a part our secondary and the Bears’ WRs were making our secondary look foolish but to have that encroachment by our defensive line was kind of the straw that broke the camel’s back on that drive.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
The only penalty in the second half was Suh's roughing penalty.
Look it up.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
Yep, you are right. I'm thinking of the drive at the end of the half.
Either way, it doesn’t take away my point about the encroachment setting up the Bears drive for a TD.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
Okay you are right. We lost the game due to penalties. Sheeeesh, don't you guys ever give that up?
Whether you or anyone else wants to admit it, football players are human beings and they make mistakes. Drops, fumbles, wrong reads, penalties, etc. The Lions had only six penalties for 42 yards, no turnovers, and looked like a real football team.
They got beat this time, like most games, because they did not make enough plays on defence, offence, or special teams.
You played a helluva game Drew and though I am not a big fan, you are our QB......for now.
Hmmm...
That may be a decent argument… Not the physical penalty… but the lack of composure after the penalty.
The Bears scored right after that… Schwartzy’s head was still piping red hot and I would make the argument that his negative emotional outbursts effected the teams concentration and execution.
by CLF on Dec 6, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hit the nail on the head.
And I’m saying that one play lost us the game, I don’t even think that was my original point. I’m saying that one drive helped them get a TD when we were holding at fort for the majority of the half.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
See 2 posts down...
Glad I could manipulate your thoughts…mwaaahahahaha
by CLF on Dec 6, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm....that's interesting.
Since those were my original thoughts in the first place.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
And yours or anyones else here are?
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
I love it when the coach goes ape shit !
As long as we continue to get screwed without the benefit of a kiss, it’s fun to see him telling others where to get off…
" I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this. " " What are you doin' here? You oughta be out in a convertible bird-doggin' chicks and bangin' beaver. " " Medication time. Medication time. " ( One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - 1975 )
I hate it.
It sends a message to the team that its okay to lose your cool.
Proof is… Chicago scored on the ensuing play.
quick slant to houston's side
looked fairly unstoppable. anyone have thoughts on this?
I felt Houston could of made some key tackles on his side
but didn’t.
But ya, anyone relying on him to be a primary CB next season has lost their mind.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
do we ever jam WRs at the line?
/Trying to picture it
//can’t
by redwingxviii on Dec 6, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
The CBs we have are simply not good enough to pull it off.
And to be honest, I don’t want them to even try cause I would blow a serious fuse to see any one of these guys get burned deep because they failed hard on a jam at the line. I rather give up that 5 yarder and hope a LB or Safety breaks up the play.
"The Lions to me is like being a father of a son who is always locked up. You love him to death because he's your son but he has always been a disappointment." - Yours truly.
It feels like watching Michigan games
The DBs play so far off the WRs it opens up the short game. I want them to jam but like the Lions, they’re not good enough to do it.
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Yup, like WTF, how many time did we get burned on 7 yard slants?
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I see guys jam often...
but I think opponents call audibles when they see our defense playing back. On those quick slants, our OLB’s have got to be aware, as well as safeties.
Very true...LB play yesterday was miserable.
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This isn't meant to be a we should fire the coaching staff post
But can’t these guys be “coached up?” to be able to jam, which, i mean, seemingly would be a requirement to play CB in the NFL. Or the NCAA, in UM’s case.
Aren’t teams like PIT, BAL, NE, [28 other possibilities], good because they get a lot out of their players. I saw so many things last night in the PIT/BAL game that I don’t see when the Lions are on the field. Are their players born better, or coached better?
Genuine question / not a fire everyone post.
IMHO...
It is talent. If you have a CB who bumps and all they do is get burned after the bump, why bump if all you give up is TD’s. Coaches need to get the most out of players for sure. Problem is we have so little talent in certin places it is a gleeming hole. If our CB can not bump since they will get burned. Our OLB will not make the play when the CBs are back and a 7 yard slant is called. Damned if you do, damned if ya don’t kind of thing. It is just better to give up the 7 yarder then to give up the TD. This is the problem with our team and coaching can only do so much. It won’t help these problems. Get some actual young talent that could be good like Peterson at CB. Watch how he progress after making a mistake and then you can hang the coach if they are not fixing the problems.
I'm just saying...
that our CB’s are quite physical at the line and aren’t really the main culprit on quick slant completions. When you have no help from your LB’s or Safeties, unless your name is Nnamdi or Darrelle, you’re usually shit outta luck.
And using the logic of getting the most out of players, Mike Smith, who is possibly the NFC coach of the year, couldn’t get this good of a performance from Houston.
fair enough
i don’t know enough about the details of football to argue, so i guess all i can do is hope we draft better defensive players.
What this game shows me...
is what we all talked about before the season even started. The dline is awesome, but the back 7, not so much. I think we need to completely upgrade the LB corp, either get 2 new OLB’s or even move Levy. I think there is no doubt we draft Patrick Peterson, unless we can trade down and pick up multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks. On top of that, I’d like to see one of the LB’s brought in be a proven veteran leader, as well as a a S come in that is also a proven leader, so guys like Spievey, Levy, Houston, Delmas, Smith, and Follett have guys they can look to and learn under, just like the dline has KVB.
+ 1,000
Lets not foget a new RG and C via draft or FA. If we can upgrade to the level of talent that we did on the LG with Sims our team would easily win 8 games next year IMHO !
I agree...
I was just addressing the defense though. I think Peterman could even be solid when he is 100%. I also have no doubt we could win 8 games if Stafford is healthy and we upgrade our defensive back seven.
Drew Stanton impressed me
it looks like you guys will have some interesting decisions to make at QB. Obviously if he could stay healthy it’s Stafford’s job, but since he seems to have a hard time doing that a battle between Hill and Stanton would be interesting.
on another note, that’s a mighty scary front 4 you guys have in Detroit. I’m looking forward to watching those guys (especially Ndamukong Suh) develop as the years go on.
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