If the Draft Were Today
by Sean Yuille on Feb 9, 2010 1:42 PM EST
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Here's the scenario: The first-round of the 2010 NFL Draft is tonight, and the St. Louis Rams have just announced the signing of Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, making him the first overall pick. That puts the Lions on the clock and leaves them with a variety of options, including taking another defensive tackle off the board with Gerald McCoy, upgrading the secondary by adding Eric Berry, and improving the pass rush by selecting Derek Morgan, just to name a few. For this scenario trading down is not a realistic option, so the Lions have to pick a player. Who would you want the Lions to draft?
For me, my vote goes to Tennessee safety Eric Berry, partly because I just haven't done much research on Oklahoma defensive tackle Gerald McCoy. I know Mike Mayock has talked very highly of McCoy and put him and Suh head and shoulders above the rest of the draft class, but right now I would pick Berry. That could change after the combine or even before that, but that is why I'm polling everybody right now. Every so often from now until the draft I will post a poll like this to get your opinion on the Lions' Super Bowl so we can see if it stays the same or changes over time.
I've made my selection, and even if I hadn't picked Berry, my selection still would have been a defensive player. I just don't think any offensive players at the top of the draft would fill a need and be worth the selection. Either way, what do you think the Lions should do in this scenario?
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I vote Berry
I think we can find another gem like SLH in later rounds. Good secondary players like Berry don’t come around too often especially when compared to Ed Reed. If not, I think we should take Joe Haden.
i third that!
I know the youtube tapes we see are made to make players look extremely good, but from what i’ve seen, i dont see what all of the fuss is over McCoy. He looks mediocre and Berry looks like a stud! Dont pass on him!
I fourteenth that! Take the stud, not the dud! Eric Berry has the stuff of greatness!
I can’t believe 1172 people (and counting) have disappointed me in this poll (hangs head in shame).
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
And you know that McCoy is a dud because............?
I am not going to disparage Eric Berry because I think he could help this team and I have not seen him play a whole game. I have never been impressed by YouTube highlight reels. If a player can’t look good on those, then he is really in trouble.
Now whether Berry is good value at #2 is another question.
I’ll leave it up to Mayhew and Schwartz to argue this out and continue to lead the Lions in the right direction. If they call and ask for my opinion I will be happy to give it.
I 5th or 15th that.....lol
or both…..Berry over McCoy all day every day!
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
I picked Spiller
Assuming he runs a ridiculous 40 at the combine.
I know it’s crazy, but I think the Lions should press the advantage on offense (enhancing our 2 best players) with superstars and fill the defense with solid people.
Second round and lower can vastly improve our defense with solid starting talent. I think hitting a home run on QB, WR, and RB is the best way to use our perennial top 5 status before we turn this around….and we already have 2 of 3.
Also, assuming the best case at a position, I would rather havea Chris Johnson in our situation than a young Albert Haynesworth or a young Ed Reed.
Again, I know its crazy, but if Spiller is a speed demon at the combine then I am sticking with it.
by HoorayForEverything on Feb 9, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions
We got 3 defensive starters last year
In round 2, 3, and 4. If we can get 2 defensive starters and a left guard in those 3 rounds and hit on one of 2 5th rounders as well, we’ll be in good shape.
by HoorayForEverything on Feb 9, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm starting to warm to this idea, Hooray
If Smith was healthy, I’d be less apt to think along these lines. But a stud running back is something we need at some point. I do have to say though… I’d only take Spiller if he blazes at the combine and we feel that either Berry or McCoy are not safe picks. If that’s the case… take him.
Front office needs to be in love with Spiller for it to make sense
And the only way that happens is if he blazes at the combine.
I think we can get a starting CB, DT, and Left guard in rounds 2/3/4 in some combination and we have 2 fifth rounders to try and get a hit with on defense or possibly WR.
by HoorayForEverything on Feb 9, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
YOU'RE INSANE
This is Millen (Crazy) Talk! A RB at #2 overall?!?! Am I retarded or is RB the easiest position to gather talent in the NFL? There is no need to EVER draft a RB #2 overall. Every kid in America starts playing football as a RB.
JF
Louis Delmas, Eric Berry and Kyle Wilson - 313 Missile Squadron - Seek and Destroy!
by Lions Rant Artist on Feb 9, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
No... not necessarily at #2
If the option to trade down is available and you can take Spiller at #5 or so? Sure, I’d be okay with that. He has to run well and grade out high enough, but sure. What… it’s not a need? If you said no… that is crazy talk!
I'm with the Ranter on this one.
Picking a Kick Returner and sometime Running Back anywhere in the top ten is insane.
The Lions may need an every down back, depending on how KSmith recovers, not another third down specialist. Dwyer would be a much better fit for us. Hell, even Anthony Dixon would provide more value than Spiller.
And to top all this off…..using the #2 pick on him? I don’t care if he runs a 4.1 40, there is a lot more to being an NFL RB than running a fast 40 yard dash.
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 10, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with the Ranter on this one too
I don’t disagree with Drew on much, but this time I must. Eric Berry is greatness…..greatness that fits our team. You don’t pass on greatness. Plenty of good RB’s can be had later, including maybe Dixon. Personally, I hope Spiller breaks his leg at the Combine so we can forget about this idea.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Just sayin'...
that I’m open to the idea…. not that this is my first choice of draft action from the Lions. If the combine and team workouts come and go and Spiller is ranked as one of the elite talents in this draft, I would not be upset if the Lions added a great running back to work with Stafford and Johnson. How can anyone say that is a bad thing? The only argument would be that we have shafted the defense with respect to a high pick again. But if we traded down for Spiller, we could pick up an extra 2nd rounder and get two defenders in the second round. There will be value there this year.
But… if Berry is as great as he’s being touted on this site… you take him. I’m just not completely sold on a safety at number two yet.
Now it looks as if your emphasising that paragraph
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 11, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
HFE
Good points. We already HAVE a young Ed Reed, in the Missle. TWO would be phenonominal though. But if Spiller shines brilliantly at the combine…..is he worthy of a No.2? Kowalski also brings up a good point about other teams being quarteback hungry and willing to trade up to 2. Dallas had 3 pieces to the puzzle, Aikman, Smith and Irvin. But they also had great offensive and defensive lines, but Kowalski also pointed out that the complexion of the draft is going to change drastically in the weeks and months to come. I voted McCoy.
wouldn't it be great if any were available in the 2nd round
They will all be gone by the 20th pick if not sooner. I’d like to see another defensive player, because they need more positional depth on defense. DL, DT, LB, CB, S best impact player available.
we need a DT....
…..very very very bad…..If we could tarde down to like 10 or 11 and get the big guy from Tennessee or just take Mccoy id be happy with that.
Bennie
tarde down. That’s funny. That’s what I do when I drink. That and fondle my stimulus package.
ROTFLMAO
Wow!!! What is funny is, fondle stimuls package and tarde down. That’s some funny shit. That’s like saying Carry the Label Guy (Larry the Cable Guy). This site is the greatest man.
ROFLMAO
Wow.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
I picked Eric Berry
There’s 2 once-in-a-decade defensive prospects in this draft, lets draft one of them.
HFE and R2D2 brought up an excellent counterpoint. The Lions are closer to having a lights out offense then a servicable defense. I can see the Lions concentrate on offense this draft just to have all the pieces in place on one side of the ball like Rosenberg suggested a couple months ago. We can almost fix all the offensive woes in this1 draft with a sprinkle of defense here and there. I don’t like it, but I can’t disagree with it either:
1st rd-CJ Spiller
2nd rd-Jonathan Dwyer (Our own Thunder & Lightning. K-Smooth would be a perfect 3rd down RB for these 2)
3rd rd-WR from Georgia Tech (CJs mini-me. Is it Demaryious Thomas or something like that? I smoke pot, I forgetz things sometimes…)
4th rd-Mike Johnson or best available OG
I personally would like a defensive-minded draft, but thats just me…
I voted for Gerald McCoy.
I think he will improve the Lions defence more than any of the other available players. I don’t have him way ahead of Eric Berry as an option, but it is an easy decision to make. I think there is a lot more depth in the Safety class than the DT.
Nate Allen or Chad Jones [I prefer Allen] will likely be available at #34 to team up with Delmas if two outstanding safeties are wanted.
That sounds much better than Lamarr Houston or Mike Neal in the second round. I am thinking that Odrick will likely be gone by the time the Lions pick in the second round. I just don’t see this DT depth that people keep talking about. A bunch of those guys are Nose Tackles which Detroit does not need [ie. Cody, Williams, Thomas, Troup] or want.
Um, we want GIANT NT's, we have a GIANT UT (SLH), and we sure don't need a weak undersized UT who doesn't fit (Gerald McCoy)
A bunch of those guys are Nose Tackles which Detroit does not need [ie. Cody, Williams, Thomas, Troup] or want.
That IS what we need and want. We don’t need or want McCoy for THIS team, for THIS defense. (hands McCoy a road map to Tampa Bay)
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Suh isn't a NT....
This whole McCoy not fitting the team thing doesn’t make sense to me. If the Lions like McCoy enough (which we don’t know yet) they’ll pick him. And if they do, he’ll be the UT and Hill will move to NT. Things can change easily enough, it’s not like we are set in our ways yet. Technically we don’t even have a way for our defence, it’s just all shit.
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 11, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
i am with you on this HE.....
i am not sure why there is alot of anti-McCoy in here. Wait until the workouts at lest.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Berry
I’m a bit surprised by the results, and I didn’t know this site had 240 members
The beginning of the end of the misery
Lol
Far as I’m concerned we got all the true Lions fans in the world……
390 so where all thes guys come from??
we only have like what 20?? people that post
make a SN and start posting guys
oy!!
I comment! I leave all the posts for you older folk.
by topherclosson on Feb 9, 2010 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes us senior citizens who can still remember when the Lions were NFL champs!
LOL You young whippersnappers need to share your views and show off your mastery of the google and dazzle us with your brilliant FanPosts.
(shakes cane at the whippersnappers)
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Lol
This stuff is great. That was honestly my first reaction when I saw over 600 people voted. I couldn’t believe it cuz there’s only like 20 different people who regularly post.
JF
Louis Delmas, Eric Berry and Kyle Wilson - 313 Missile Squadron - Seek and Destroy!
by Lions Rant Artist on Feb 9, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yikes!
ONE MORE VOTE QUICK!
JF
Louis Delmas, Eric Berry and Kyle Wilson - 313 Missile Squadron - Seek and Destroy!
by Lions Rant Artist on Feb 9, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
It can be fairly hard to intergrate successfully
You have to be dedicated.
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 9, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
On POD
I can’t even imagine how many total on SB Nation there are.
Pride of Detroit, SB Nation's Lions Blog
Every show
has long time listeners first time callers
by HoorayForEverything on Feb 9, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
BTW... I voted for McCoy
Until I see the true reason for all the hating… I’ll listen to guys like Mayock. I need to look at him more, but if he’s as good as he’s being touted… I’m on board. Just not sure Berry is worth the salary he would get at #2 for overall impact. Could be wrong about that, though. Usually, I have no qualms about contracts… but a safety making $70MM as a rookie? Doesn’t sit well. If we’re going to take a DB, I’d rather trade down and take Haden at #5 or so and pick up another couple picks……
Why not Suh
He will probably still be available at the number 2 pick because i’m pretty sure the Rams will pick Clausen.
The first paragraph of this post
Here’s the scenario: The first-round of the 2010 NFL Draft is tonight, and the St. Louis Rams have just announced the signing of Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, making him the first overall pick. That puts the Lions on the clock and leaves them with a variety of options, including taking another defensive tackle off the board with Gerald McCoy, upgrading the secondary by adding Eric Berry, and improving the pass rush by selecting Derek Morgan, just to name a few. For this scenario trading down is not a realistic option, so the Lions have to pick a player. Who would you want the Lions to draft?
Yes
But ill think he will be aviable though.
me three.........and the Lions might pass on him anyway and take Berry
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
SUH
he will be there trust me. Rams r in no position to take anything other than a QB. Bradford or Clausen will be the pick.
I voted Berry...
If McCoy and Berry were equal as far as the BPA goes. I would want Berry. If we could only address one problem with the Lions is offseason. I think the biggest need would be to fix the secondary. The Lions were 30th in the league in INT’s…with 9.
With Berry in the mix. We could still get that big DT like Cam Thomas or Torrell Troup. I just think the talent gap between Berry and other S. Is much great then McCoy and the other DT’s
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
by JCruize on Feb 9, 2010 5:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
fix the secondary then dt rec
unless the rams do not pick suh then go for it
by 14fizzpatrick on Feb 9, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
BPA, draft greatness that fits
It fixes what it fixes. It is what it is. Eric Berry just happens to play safety……so it fixes the secondary.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
BERRY
I’ve been touting this along with a couple of others and I will continue to do so until the draft, but I VOTE ERIC BERRY!!! Then I vote we do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to get Kyle Wilson.
Reasons we need this badass secondary (even though I agree we have other more glaring holes like needing another DT to go with SLH and another DE to complement Avril/Hunter, not to mention 2 OGs):
1. NFC North (and the NFL overall) all have great QBs (assuming Brett comes back) and we need a 313 Missile Squadron to strike fear in any and all WRs AND TEs who DARE cross the middle. That’s where Berry comes in. Imagine if you will 2 Louis Delmas’s ready to tear the fucking head off somebody. But we also need a couple of confident all-around shut-down corners, which is where Wilson (and if God loves me and I get an April Christmas, Donovan Warren or Ansah) comes in.
2. It would give us a starting badass secondary for the next 10-12 years. Just imagine the likes of Darrelle Revis, Charles Woodson, Ed Reed and Hair Polamalu all roaming one secondary IN THEIR PRIME! That’s essentially what we could be securing. Scary for any passing game to face.
3. OUR SECONDARY ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS SUCKS! AND I FOR ONE AM SOOOOOOOOO TIRED OF IT!
4. Why take the 2nd best DT instead of Ed Reed Eric Berry, the 1st best Safety?
5. Because I want it that way.
JF
Louis Delmas, Eric Berry and Kyle Wilson - 313 Missile Squadron - Seek and Destroy!
by Lions Rant Artist on Feb 9, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Reason
The only reason the Lion’s secondary always sucks is because they don’t have a pass rush of anykind. And havn’t since they lost “BigBaby” They needed a few more guys like him to make the other teams QB nervous. Quarterbacks have all day to scan the secondary. Watch a game and you can almost count to 5 or more before there is any pressure on the opposing quarterback if at all! Then count how much time a Lions QB gets. Belive me, it’s way less than 5 seconds. Even if the Lions had all the players you spoke of.(and I’m not at all disagreeing with you, I’d love to see them here) They’d still get the same results. Only ONLY because of the time in which they’d have to cover. The game starts at the line of scrimmage. If they draft linemen who can bull rush and stop the run and put pressure on the opposing QB you will see an immediate improvement in the Lion’s secondary no matter who they put back there.
I see your point
But that doesn’t explain the almost consistently bad blown coverages we see every game. Our corners would allow receivers to roam the secondary wide open giving the QB easy targets to avoid any pressure we would create. Plus, how many times did we see receivers catching balls with no one within 15 yds of them? Too many (Moss in Redskins game, Massaquoi in Browns game…). It’s a balancing act. A good secondary can buy time for sacks and a good Defensive Line can shorten the time needed to cover and create mistakes. One doesn’t magically fix the other.
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 10, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I see your point too.
Your right we need both defensive line and pass coverage. I have to say though that I would really enjoy seeing Delmas and Berry roaming the backfield like a couple of sharks waiting for their next victim.
by coolbreeze42 on Feb 10, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Lions Rant Artist
All 5 points. Berry is the BPA that fits, he’s got that special stuff of greatness. Don’t be afraid to be great. And we already have our “Big Baby”. His name is Sammie Lee Hill, and he’s improving fast. Patience, young padawans.
I like the idea of sharks in the backfield, too.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Agreed
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 11, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Eric Berry
McCoy is intriguing but I reckon we can get a better 2nd round DT than a 2nd round Safety (not that there won’t be good safeties in the 2nd round). In saying that though, I believe the Lions would pick McCoy in that position. Who knows though…
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
Don't forget
Don’t forget about Taylor Mays. Maybe he’ll slide.
I see Mays being more successful as a LB now
I haven’t done my research on him yet but from what I’ve read he just doesn’t seem to be a safety who can be viable with us.
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 10, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
+1, He reminds me of Roy Williams or Boss Bailey
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
i voted mccoy
berry scares the crap out of me. from the little bit ive seen, he looks lost out there as a LB, and im having a hard time believing he will suddenly be this great S. you’re buying into athletic potential only. mccoy is more of a polished product space eater at the biggest needed position outside of CB.
Berry is a great safety who's already been productive, and he's not a LB
McCoy doesn’t eat up much space by DT standards…..only 297 Lbs, doesn’t play NT anyway, doesn’t have a power game at UT, doesn’t fit Gunther’s scheme……..and is nowhere near as productive as Suh.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Funny how a majority of the actual posts vote for Berry......
But the poll is skewed way out there toward McCoy……smells fishy.
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No way Sean
Some FAG logged out, and voted for Gerald McCoy 1000 times. The poll function is flawed. You can log out, vote for the option you want, hit F5 (to refresh your screen), and immediately vote again……it adds your vote to the total EVERY time.
So some McCoy lover (I have my suspicions as to who it is, and it is NOT Northleft12….I’d say the name starts with a B), decided to skew the poll in favor of their opinion. Real mature stuff.
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Lol chill man
I doubt someone went to the trouble of doing that.
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When I first read this comment I assumed it was some kind of joke. Hard for me to grasp the following:
A) That the convoluted method described to vote more than once actually works. I haven’t tried it so who knows.
B) Why in the hell someone would waste time figuring out how to vote more than once. Really, who thinks up this shit?
C) Who cares about the result of a poll on an SB site anyway? Does that change your opinion on the question?
D) How come the IT Geeks at SB International Inc. are not working overtime to repair this serious software security breach. I mean, it throws into question every Poll ever posted on all the SB sites. Perhaps we should order recounts on all of them?
E) And finally….who is the mysterious Mr. B? I am relieved that the investigation cleared me but I will live in fear whenever I see a FanPost or comment that is signed with a B. Is it possible that this person will now change his name? What other letters in the alphabet will fall under suspicion? Sorry, this is too much.
It was half joke and half serious......lol
But, the serious part is that what I said actually does work…..I tested my theory (since everyone knows that I do not want McCoy). No it does not matter all that much, but I do think it happened, and I do think it is really immature. Who thinks this shit up? I would not have thought of it if not for the fact that I thought the numbers of this poll were WAY off. I kept thinking, how in the hell did over 2000 people all of a sudden come in and vote on a poll out of nowhere…….then it hit me. I remember a certain someone talking about voting on the Lion’s main site (and other sites) over and over again…..to make sure that the guy they wanted would come out on top in the poll. So I checked it out….and I was right.
No it does not change my opinion NL12……however if I did not think the poll was tampered with, I would be questioning the resolve of our fanbase a lot more.
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
I meant who would think of a way to fool the software to vote more than once?
Waste of bloody time if you ask me.
Those questions were not directed at you KDawg, they were rhetorical.
Trust me....
some people have way too much time on their hands…..
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
Okay guys, how about we stow the paranoia?
Is it so difficult to believe that Lions fans would pick McCoy ahead of Berry? I don’t think most people know a lot about Berry. At least McCoy was in a BCS Championship game and played outstanding to boot. Berry? His team has been very much overshadowed by Florida, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, and Georgia in the SEC during his career. Tennessee went 10 – 4 when he was a Freshman, then 5 – 7, and 7 – 5 his last two years.
Don’t be so shocked that he is not well known by the average Lions fan.
And besides, most Lions fans know we need an elite DT more than a Safety. LOL
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 10, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Not paranoia, just an observation.
Yes it is difficult to believe fans would want McCoy over Berry, but thats just my opinion. However, I would like to have an elite DT over a Saftey. Really, I would like to have both. LOL I just don’t think McCoy is an elite DT worthy of a second overall pick. Like I said, its just an opinion.
We need an elite special player, not a position
Berry is a special player with the stuff of greatness, who FITS the Lions defense. Football is a TEAM game.
Gerald McCoy, none of the above.
As for the W-L records of Tennessee vs. Oklahoma, football is a TEAM game. Where have I heard that?
Just doing my part trying to educate the Soonerized masses.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Let me explain this to you again GR
I was just trying to theorize why the vote is heavily for McCoy over Berry. My point is that most fans do not know Berry from a hole in the ground partly due to the mediocre play of his team. That certainly makes more sense than there is some vote stuffing going on, don’t you think?
I am not blaming the Tennessee team performance on Berry. As you say it is a team game……unless you are a QB then you wear your team’s failures even if the defence gives up 35 points a game. Right?
No it does not make more sense NL12
Eric Berry has been a HUGE name in the NATIONAL media all year long. He was on Sportscenter more times than I can remember to count. Not only that, but show me ONE other poll before the last week where ALL 2000 POD members voted on ANY poll question, let alone that very 2000 members PLUS 484 other NON MEMBERS who just happened to wander in and vote on this poll……
Paranoia?? It’s called common sense, or LOGIC if you prefer.
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GRLion.....help me out here.....
KDawg speaks the………
:o)
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I agree Lead Hunter
While I think Gerald McCoy is a decent prospect with upside, I do not see him as an “elite” DT, not do I feel he is worthy of pick 2.
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Okung
i toss my hat in the ring for okung. if we cant get suh, then we take immediate offensive line help with Okung. i think our offensive line has devolved enough to where we simply cant keep relying on cheaper later round picks to evolve into elite blockers. id love to have an elite pass rusher in mccoy, and do believe that berry and delmas would dole out a decade of punishment, but i dont think stafford will survive the season without immediate help.
LINE LINE LINE LINE!
I can’t agree more. Passing on Michael Oher last year was a huge mistake. Stanton over LeMarr Woodley a few years ago was another. Yes Having Berry and Delmas in the def backfield together would be amazing. But why does a guy like Leigh Bodden go from here and look like he couldn’t cover Betty White to New England and look like a pro-bowler? It’s simple the Patroits have a pass rush. And the Lions can’t get off the field on 3rd down. If this team had any semblance of a pass rush I’d be right there with you on the Berry pick. But football starts at the line of scrimmage. If you ever wanna see how really good Mathew Stafford is he needs time to throw the ball. If they have a great offensive line it doesn’t matter who the running back is. Want proof? Look at Denver for all those years churning out 1000 yard backs they found in the later rounds. If you go back and look it was because they built a superior offensive line full of Pro-Bowlers. Until the Lions and their fans understand you build a football team from the lines out, we will be here every year talking about them choosing a high 1st round pick. EVERY playoff team has 2 things in common.. great offensive and defensive lines plain and simple.
I normally would agree
But Schwartz and co. have made it somewhat clear that they’re happy with Backus. Unless they plan on moving Okung around the line for a year or two…I just don’t see it happening. Who knows though, Schwartzy could be placing a finely crafted charade in front of us. Sneaky Devil!
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 10, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Bodden
But why does a guy like Leigh Bodden go from here and look like he couldn’t cover Betty White to New England and look like a pro-bowler?
Because he’s a slow, physical CB who jams receivers in the first 5 yards. He can’t hang with receivers downfield as a man cover CB in a blitzing defense. He’s a better fit in New England. Fit is a very underrated part of football. Different players have different mixes of skills. To be effective, the player must have skills that FIT what his role is in that team’s defense.
That, and Betty White has some moves.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
draft is deep on DTs
maybe take Berry and just take one of the other DTs later on in the draft…….this is supposedly a deep draft for DTs, what the hell, why not
No derrick Morgan
I watched him get outran by a qb with a bad ankle in the Orange Bowl.
Otherwise, hopefully the Rams fall in love with a QB and we get Suh, but I voted for the OT over the guys in the poll.
I have not celebrated a pro championship in my life.
I wouldn't rule this out.
The Rams strike me as a very parallel organization at this point. Bulger has pretty much solidified that Mike Martz can destroy a quarterback as quickly as he can develope one. There is a lot of dissention in Saint Louis right now over the fact that so many “franchise quarterbacks” have been passed on in recent drafts (Cutler, Ryan, Sanchez). Just think about how many fans here HATED the idea of drafting a QB (myself included) with the #1 overall pick this past year…doesn’t mean the franchise won’t do what it feels is best, even if it means pissing off the fans.
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
Second overall pick
Brandon Graham, if not Suh. A darkhorse for sure, but when was the last time we picked a player who played to his “potential”, Barry Sanders in 1989?
Brandon Graham is a huge reach at #2
He’s projected last first-early second. Jumping that high seems unlikely.
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Feb 10, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree
I do think his stock is rising and he might sneak into the mid-first round. But at #2? Nope.
Graham in the 1st rd!
I like Brandon Graham also. He’s been compared to LaMarr Woodley of the Steelers. He’s probably a better fit on a defense like theirs or the Ravens.
If he slid to our #34 pick, I would be happy we grabbed him though.
by coolbreeze42 on Feb 11, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Berry
Because the DL class is much deeper than the DB class, as well as you can find sleepers in the DL, but DBs are usually you get what you buy.
Wouldn’t be crazy about givin 2nd round money to a DB though..
I would like to propose another option...
Detroit trades up for the #1 pick and in exchange trades Kid Rock for Nelly. If Suh is everything he appears to be the Lions finally have a cornerstone player on the D-Line. Whether or not you’re a Kid Rock fan, the guy puts on a pretty good show and certainly has to be considered a notch above Nelly as a Hip-Hop/Country Music crossover artist. Then again, Nelly played pretty good in those MTV celebrity football games, so considering the talent on both these teams the Show-Me State may not be so willing to give him up just yet? Just a thought…
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
Oh...
…and I actually voted for the O-Line. As much as I’d like to see that defense improve, it just strikes me as a bit of an issue that every single season we’re discussing how incredibly poor the O-Line is. Plus, it may not be a bad idea to protect that $70million investment of ours.
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
Make it a 3-team/2-league trade
See if we can get the DJ from the Pittsburgh Penguins arena. That guy kicks out the jams!
I voted...
McCoy,seems to me he’s neck and neck with Suh(who I think we’ll actually end up taking with the number two,btw),and as talented as Berry is,there’s no way in hell we’re gonna pay a safety big number two overall bucks.Defense,defense,defense.
the boy named Suh
I have a strong feeling the Rams will take either Clausen or Bradford …adding Suh in the first rd and maybe Db K.Wilson in the second & we are on our way back to respectabilty
Never give up..we will be atop the NFL one day:)
What to do on Draft Day...
I’ve considered two broadly different strategies:
1) Suh is on the board, then I build a new D line around him.
2) Suh is off the board, I’m inclined to go with Okung and focus on offense.
Here are my hoped for top 5 picks if I go for D:
1 – DT Suh
2 – NT Cody
3 – SS Mays
4 – OG Jerry
5 – RB Blount
Here are my hoped for top 5 picks if I go for Offense:
1 – OT Okung
2 – WR Tate
3 – WR McCluster
4 – OG Jerry
5 – RB Blount
Are these players available in the rounds that I place them? I don’t know. I would be willing to trade later round picks in combination with my pick in the designated round to move up, or even perhaps a pick from next year after round 3, but only if it meant getting these or higher rated players.
With the Offensive option, here’s my starting lineup:
QB Stafford
RB McCluster
FB Blount
TE Pettigrew
SE C Johnson
FL Tate
LT Okung
LG Backus
C Raiola
RT Jerry
RT Cherilius
The idea here is to build a young but dangerous group that can grow and become a force in the NFL together. Ideally giving Stafford a chance to really become a star.
Without these tools, there’s a chance of Joey H part 2 happening.
Of course if we get Suh, my plan involves considering reengineering the defense to a 3-4 scheme. Putting Suh, Cody, and Hill on the line, while rotating DeVries, Jackson, and perhaps White or Avril in as alternates.
The linebacker corp could be composed of Sims, Levy, Foote, and Peterson.
Of course the secondary is still a weakness although Delmas and Mays could be quite a safety tandem.
I just don’t feel waiting to develop Stafford with the right supporting cast makes a lot of sense, especially since Backus would be two years older and perhaps considering retirement before a new LT could be developed.
Draft
I would take the running back, Spiller, with the caveat that the Lions seriously go after Julius Peppers, who is very unhappy in Carolina. If they picked Peppers up or someone close to that caliber (which I believe there will be one or two available), then the can go offensive with their second pick. If they do not pick a quality, experienced d-lineman up, then they should get the safety Berry to compliment Delmas.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Draft
Maybe we should discuss who we go after in FA – as that can really change the draft/needs.
trade...
if the draft were today the best thing would do is trade down for more draft picks. This is going to be a deep draft full of talent. what is one guy that is going to be overpaid going to do to help us, lets be honest we arent one guy away we are about 8 or more. I would love to trade this pick and scoop up another 2nd and third.
earl thomas is just as good as eiric berry at ss has grade vaule as berry in this draft because he can play cb or ss just like berry and is rated intop ten in this draft . so to say that berry should be lions 1rd pick when earl thomas could be rated as 1ss and berry as1a ss in draft on some war rooms the same thing could be said for mccoy / suh.
If I am not mistaken.....
Eric berry is a free safety……not that this matters to Schwartz and Co with the left safety/right safety scheme.
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