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Lions need to cut Northcutt and Bryant Johnson now


Lions need to cut Northcutt and Bryant Johnson now

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You gotta love the offseason so far for the Lions, but several moves still need to be made. Why spread out the cuts here and there, one a week, when we all know which players are screaming to be cut by their play on the field, whether it be due to lack of ability, or age. Dennis Northcutt and Bryant Johnson need to be released now. There are plenty of people looking for jobs right now, and you can sign guys off the street for cheap, that can better the production either of those guys will provide in 2010. Other suggestions, based on performance, and $ saved, would be to cut Eric King. Why keep a mediocre guy around, and overpay him, just because he has more experience than most of the other cornerbacks on the roster. There are free agents, who you can get much cheaper, that have much more ability and experience. And while we're on the subject, I know the Lions need tackles, but lets go ahead and call this pick what it was, a bust, and cut Gosder Cherilus. As far as linebackers go, keep Peterson, or bring Foote back, but don't keep both. Either one will do. I suppose Jordon Dizon and Kalvin Pearson can hang around another year because they are cheap, but they better step it up this year! As far as some suggestions for more signings. I know he's old, but what better guy to mentor Stafford than Mark Brunnell. Talk him out of retiring, and standing on the sidelines another year. It appears to be obvious that the Lions are waiting to draft another RB, but they better not wait until the 3rd round, and get another guy like Brian Calhoun. It was a huge mistake not going after Thomas Jones. 2 years and 5 million was a steal! Now, if they don't get a RB in the draft, they will need to pursue whichever of these veterans is left. L.T., Brian Westbrook, Willie Parker, or L.J. Otherwise, I guess we could see the likes of Kevin Jones in motown for a second go round. They could sign Nick Harper at CB, and Gibril Wilson or Darren Sharper at S.

The first pick in the draft needs to be Ndamakong Suh. After that Russell Okung and Gerald McCoy is about the same to me. Eric Berry would make the safeties the best 2 in the league, but I don't think that is a move the Lions need to make right now. Suh is the future. He will be playing long after VandenBosch's career is over. In the 2nd round, they have to take the best available running back. I would be happy with Best or Gerhart. The 3rd round may be too late. In the 3rd round CB is a must. After that, they should be taking either an OL, MLB, WR, or CB with each of their picks.

And before we give the Lions too much credit. It is time to fire Martin Mayhew! That's great that we brought in VandenBosch, and Burleson. 4 years ago it would have been even better. Why are we cutting every guy we signed last year? Larry Foote, Philip Buchanan, Grady Jackson, Anthony Henry, Marquand Manuel, and William James, all gone. And Dennis Northcutt, Bryant Johnson, and Eric King need to soon follow them out the door. These guys all need to go, but it's unacceptable that they were even signed. Thank God for no salary cap, so that we can purge our roster this year, and take some more one year gambles on some guys.

My only hope is that next year, we aren't looking back at this years class of free agents the same way as we have 2009's. My bet is that we won't. But I give credit to Schwartz more than Mayhew, for making that happen this year. Obviously the Lions are willing to spend $ now, so lets fork some over for a real GM. 

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Im glad I didnt need to put my thoughts into sentence form because they would have never came out as great as that was

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by GOLDIGGAH on Mar 11, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

+1000 Perfect!

Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson

by footstock on Mar 11, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Ace Ventura Ass talk Pictures, Images and Photos

Rot in hell Matt Millen

by JazzyBBP on Mar 11, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

this deserves a rec too

The beginning of the end of the misery

by latif on Mar 11, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

your talking out of your ass

I’m Dr cheeks just making my rounds I’m a little behind

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by The Profiler on Mar 11, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff

The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.

by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 11, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah.....

Just cause you can cut a guy and get someone cheaper, doesn’t mean the replacement will be any better. Its not like the FA market is sprawling with pro-bowlers that actually wnat to come to the D. And so what if some of the guys they brought in last year didn’t work out? (Foote wasn’t cut by the way, it was a one year deal) They cut them and moved on. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. You want them to cut half the team, but at the same time want to fire the GM for cutting guys that didn’t perform.

by vanman on Mar 11, 2010 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

I agree

With everything as you said… why not cut the whole team? I mean we are 2-14 but you arent really a fan at all. Sure this team is not great but with all the cuts and suggestions… how do you suggest we field a competitive team? We need players on this team and even though they did not perform the way we liked, new system, new coaches, but changed players. We dont know what we have with Gosder Cherilous, WRs maybe had an off year. Who knows and i dont think theyre performance was anywhere near great. This team is under a slow process of change and we cant see what we have until August can we.

by Liontotheextreme on Mar 11, 2010 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

OK ...

Things I agree with … cutting Northcutt and B Johnson. Just hasnt worked as well as we had hoped and having Burleson should take plenty of pressure of Calvin. Pettigrew and Brown (out of the backfield) and Williams (if he can step up) should also all benefit in the passing game.

Now to call Gosder Cherilus a bust may be kind of accurate. Maybe he shouldnt have been drafted so high but I would keep him around anyway. No sense in cutting him losing out completely and starting over. He is young and has a lot of good tools. We can use him well into the future.

Am I the only one that isnt concerned about our running game? We have far biggger things to address on this team with our first 3 picks of this coming draft. Protect Stafford and get more than 3 guys in coverage and that will open up the running game for a lot of guys.

Fire Meyhew? Are you serious? Not only do we have to give the man enough time to put his fingerprint on the organization but what he has done so far is nothing short of impressive. We got at least 3 steals so far since he took the reins. As matter of fact when you made this statement your arguement immediately went out the window with me.

by IowaLion on Mar 11, 2010 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

We don't have depth to CUT quality backups

As MM said, some of the guys on our roster were forced to the front because of our lack of talent. Those guys have value, and they need to be behind someone on the roster—-not starters.

Why do you take the position that players are too expensive and we can get someone cheaper? Are you Fords grandson? There is no cap this year, and I would prefer that he spend ALL of his money to give us a winner if it was possible.

My season ticket money contributes to $80 per player…and frankly, Mayhew has earned the right to spend it however he wants. Long live Mayhew and the Scwartz!

Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson

by footstock on Mar 11, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm ....

I am not sure if you are replying to me or the opening poster.

If it is the opening post – OK … I think I agree
If it is me – WTF?!?!?!

by IowaLion on Mar 11, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Replying to you AND the OP

You said cut Northcut and Johnson. So, WTF, back atcha…

Who, pray tell, will be our depth at WR once you cut them? How about the return game?

If you don’t have any solutions, then you must be part of the problem.

Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson

by footstock on Mar 12, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Footstock

Burrelson and Brown and Williams are ALL return guys with Burrelson probably the best of the 3. But I relly liked what Brown brought to KR’s last year Burrelson should get the PR’s.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 12, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Partially agree...

AB doesn’t seem to be a punt return guy, but I have widely chronicled that I am an AB fan. I don’t think we should risk injury to Burrelson in the return game since he is so important to our offense.

As for Williams…uugh. Not sure what we do with him if he doesn’t show alot of improvement. Can’t catch punts, not explosive on kicks, can’t run routes.

I think you keep BJ & Northcut. BJ for the receiving corp and Northcut for punts and spot receiving duty.

Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson

by footstock on Mar 13, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed!

He still has a place on this roster, at least until draft day that is…. smile smile smile.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 13, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's the reason I care.

Because if you can pay somebody $350,000 to get you 800 yards receiving, why pay 2 guys, 2 million a piece to get 450 and 150 yards? How much did we pay Mike Furrey the first year we brought him in? YES, there are guys on the street who can produce better than Northcutt and Johnson.

They suck! And I’m tired of seeing guys that suck on this roster. And guys that are way overpaid like Cherilus doing work that somebody else can do better, for much cheaper.

Burleson will be noticeably better than any other receiver other than Johnson on this roster.

by Holden36 on Mar 12, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Holden

Do you think that you are the only LIONS fan that is sick and tired of this loosing???? I can guarantee that each and every single one of us as well as each and every single player is sick and tired of this loosing.We have to be realists about our currant situation though. If you are a Good to better than average player in the NFL and you had your choice of playing anywhere that you wanted, why would you want to go play with a loosing franchise like our Lions. BIG money that’s the only reason. We as fans can only sit back and enjoy this time of the year when we are still in first place with NO checks in the loosers side of the bracket. I can feel your frustration that was me last year around this time when our FO didn’t take the guy I wanted then passed by the second guy I wanted to draft a TE, then again in the second round passed on the LB that I wanted to draft a Safety outta a mac school. With hind site being what it is, this FO has been out of this world to most of us here because they are actually bringing in people who can still play at a descent level and are not throwing “STUPID” money at them in the process. So just relax a little take a deep breath maybe swig that beer that may be in your hand and enjoy the Schwartzinager movie that is playing out in front of us.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 12, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

is this a real post?

Why cut these guys?…..Im not following?…..They both have small contracts as far as NFL players go……Who you going to replace them with….TO?…….They both had down yrs but but them?….C’mon man.

by BennieBladesFan on Mar 11, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Some points are good, others are not. I can’t tell if this was a serious post or not!! LOL

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by NYCLionsfan on Mar 11, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol

funny post. I wouldn’t cut Johnson. Johnson was a good 3WR in AZ and can play that role now. Cant cut Cherilus, young guy still give him time and anyway, who do you replace him with. And let’s give Mayhew some time unless you want to call Millen back, because he did great things for the organization.

by jeremy j on Mar 11, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Matt Millen

Okay, if we are forever going to be happy comparing the GM we have to Matt Millen, then we will never get anywhere. There are a few good GM’s in this league. Not many, but a few. And if we paid to get one of them, things would turn around quickly, enough so that I might actually live to see the Lions win a Super Bowl. What has Martin Mayhew ever done? He is the Barrack Obama of the Lions.

But your point is taken. He is better than Matt Millen. I guess we owe him as many years as Rich Rodriguez is getting at least.

by ldlion39 on Mar 11, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with Nate...

Mayhew is doing a MUCH better job than Obama….hehehe

by CLF on Mar 11, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, maybe he's not Obama

But what about Jesus? Is he as good as jesus?

by ATL Lion on Mar 11, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

No Politics

YOU FUCKING REPUBLICANS! We wouldn’t be in this mess if it wasn’t for a SMELLY BUSH!

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 12, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

you know an argument is weak as fuck

when you have to bring in a political figure into sports to make it sound valid

The beginning of the end of the misery

by latif on Mar 11, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

All I need to bring to the argument is this!!

2-14 Bitch!!!
What’s your answer to that?
Let’s stick our fingers up our asses and wait another couple of years like we did for Matt Millen?

by Holden36 on Mar 12, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

That's 2 more wins than

the O-16 under merinera sauce and MILLEN. and after this year we will have somewhere around 5-8 wins (if Staff can protect the ball better).

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 12, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You cut guys only if you dont need them anymore...

And you know when you dont need them, if you have better players to take their spots.
At this time we do not have anything better. Are they starting material?…probably not. But there are few players available who are better. Do we have enough depth at that position? No. Better keep them.
I kinda wish we would have at least brought Anquan Boldin in for a visit, however unlikely it would have been that he would have signed here. That’s the next thing – many elite players wont come here until we establish that we are going to compete to make the playoffs, and / or pay them really big time.
I like the new front office’s approach of trying to get as much value as they can while addressing the many needs this team has. Eventually, in a year or two, or three, those needs will become less a matter of just finding capable players, and switch to acquiring elite talent, or very valuable role players. It does take some time.

As for the draft, I agree take Suh unless someone makes us a killer offer to trade down.
The second round I’d really like to see us take an elite cornerback. I no longer think Wilson will be available, but McCourty may be and he’s looking almost as good.

Third round is BPA with an empasis on finding an offensive weapon. Either a RB or WR.
Personally I’d go WR over RB here, as I think our team is going to tend to be a more pass happy offense than running.

Fourth round – best OG or OL available. We’ve got to shore up the line…

If we have any picks after that, take BPA, maybe Blount RB who will fall to late rounds. And another LB wouldn’t surprise me…

Just livin' the dream...

by Brefstink on Mar 11, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Need a RB

Need a Back, someone who can fill the duties of Cory Schlesinger, get hard yards, lay a devasting block or catch that outlet pass, heck he even played special teams. I`d rather have a back who can be in 10-20 plays a game rather than a receiver who will only be involved in 4-10 touches a game.

by lionsfan64 on Mar 11, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He reminds me of

TD Touchdown Tommy Vardell! Who had a spot in the NFL for a few years as well.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 17, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we all agreed last year

That most of the guys that got brought in here were stop gaps first off. B Johnson had a descent year for us, If staff would have had some time back there to actually go threw his progressions maybe he would have had better stats,You take that into account Staff was a rookie and had to go threw the growing pains of learning what he can/and can’t do in the NFL according to College, how many times did we see staff get baited into throws for pick 6’s last year???? We are going to go threw some of those same growing pains again this year with Staff so are you going to want to cut him as well? I do think that Northcut can go and no one would even notice. Was I sad that we didn’t get a chance to get T.Jones. . .Hell yeah but like someone else just said until we can prove that we are for real here we are going to have to over pay players to come here and play. I think you are WAYYYYYY off on our FO bro. There is no way you can’t think that this is the best FO that we have had in over 20 years, I say 20 becausse at one point we had a FO that brought in guys like Barry, and Herman, Speilman, Porchette, Crockette, Glover,Simms, AL Bubba Baker, English, etc. etc. This is/was a 3 to 4 year rebuild at best and I actually think we are ahead of schedule, we could possibly be contenders by the end of next off season. I think we are going to trade down a couple of spots in this draft get us a stellar player in the top 7 in the second round I see another Defencive player being taken weather it’s CB/S and then we are going to address the Oline and get us a bad ass Guard to help on that left side. My only concern is that we are all going to expect too much from all of our young players and some are going to want to chop more heads. Just be patient and enjoy the handful of wins that we are going to get this year. Pending draft and who we get we could be 500. this year or possibly even better pending if we get a few more quality starters in FA.And if Staff can control his eagerness to try and force his rocket arm passes into tight coverage. As much as I think he would be a cancer I would like to see T.O. come in and give us 3 speedy rec to help staff out imagine Megatron with T.O. on the opposite side and Burelson in the slot where he actually belongs. You have B.Johnson coming off the bench to give 1 of these 3 a breather and we don’t loose any real speed or hands for that matter. On the D-side I hope we get Sharper in here(stop gap) for 1 or 2 years and let him mentor Delmas in that time, he alone would give our secondery immidiate credibility. For your Rb WestBrook,Vargas would both be excellent additions for a stop gap just so we could fix the rest of the holes on our team and next year get their replacements. I don’t see any CB’s left out there that are better than what we already have, pending more cuts.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 11, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

Stafford is the Shit!

No. Stafford is good. He is for real, and a few mistakes are okay. Calvin Johnson had quite a few his first year. But, yes I was calling for Joey Harrington’s head the day they drafted him, and after his first year of mistakes. Because some guys have talent, and some don’t. Were you defending Joey back then too? If so, be realistic, and realize you might not be the best judge of talent. It’s not about the mistakes you make, its about the plays to win games you make, like Stafford did against Cleveland.

Point to one good dam thing that Cherilus has done. Point to one significant play Johnson or Northcutt had last year. At least Aaron Brown had some big returns. These guys either always sucked, or do now because they are old.

As for CB, heck, Ty Law would be much better than any CB we have on the roster, even with the 2 new additions.

by ldlion39 on Mar 11, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't really want Joey "happy feet"

But there was no way we were getting Carr that year and in my opinion we got second jew, that year as well. (head russian)(second jew) just an old joke I use to use alot. Now I will defend Joey 1 time only. He got so screwed with no line a hurt (pot smoking) WR another that wouldn’t give it 110% (aligator arms Williams) and a RB that we all liked that couldn’t stay on the field. And again where was his protection? OK that actually hurt me trying to defend him but he wasn’t the worst draft pick the Millan ever brought in here. Cherilous now hasn’t had the same offencive man trying to get them all doing the same thing since he was drafted, You herd the comments that were made by our line-men after Marinera sacue and his boy blunder were cut were saying about how there was NO consistancy on what they were telling our guys up front. I think we need to give him 1 more year if not 2 and see what he can do with coaches that are on the same page and arn’t contradicting themselves every day! As for Ty Law: Sign him! Even at his age you are right I’d like to see him as a stop gap.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 12, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep Johnson, but cut Northcutt

Johnson can be a serviceable third option and he can push Burleson to play harder. The Lions need to keep talent, not get rid of it. This is an uncapped year, so the Lions should keep him and his contract will expire after this season. Northcutt has to go for sure though.

by lionsman81 on Mar 11, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

Where to start...

There are so many points that you made without backing up with any legitimate facts…

1) Why release B Johnson or Northcutt. Northcutt is a decent return man, veteran wideout, and good enough to be a 4th receiver. BJ has played slot in offenses that featured Fitzgeralnd and Boldin, so he is one of those guys that knows how to take advantage of the lack of coverage, and has put up solid numbers as a 3rd wideout.

2) Please don’t call players busts too early. Cherilus had a decent rookie season, and is a very talented tackle, and lets face it the alternative to him is Jon Jansen…not exactly an upgrade, so there is no real point in releasing him. Give him a season or two more, and if he keeps struggling, then we should have this discussion.

3) Are you truly serious about firing Mayhew???We brought in guys like Jackson and Buchanon to be stop-gap options, not to be long term solutions. When we got Corey Williams that ended the need for Grady, and I guess the Lions FO knew that they were getting another CB, so they released Buchanon, who didnt put up a strong season anyways. Larry Foote: we know when we signed him that he probably wasn’t coming back or else both sides would’ve agreed to a longer contract last year.

The beginning of the end of the misery

by latif on Mar 11, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Yes I am serious!

$1.5 million is way too much to pay a #4 receiver. Give Derrick Williams a shot. I don’t think his numbers were solid for a #3 guy, but maybe I was just spoiled by the 95 Lions.

What is Cherilus going to cost us while we wait on him to develop? 7 million? 2 years is plenty of time for good NFL coaches and GM’s to realize what they are working with, and if the guy is going to make it in this league or not. ex. Stockar McDougal, Aaron Gibson, and Juan Roque. And 2 of those guys were considerably better than Cherilus.

All i’m saying is, we can win 2 games, and maybe more, without the services of Northcutt, Johnson, Cherilus, King, Dizon, and Pearson. And with no cap, it’s time to get all the dead weight like they did with Grady Jackson and Dewayne white off the books.

As for the slow rebuilding process. Tell me about it. I have been watching it over the past 30 years.

Yes I am serious about firing Mayhew. If he brought the guys in 2009 in to be stop gaps, than he severely overpaid for them, and he didn’t do a very good job, because we only won 2 games. Plus, look at his trade history. Gerald Alexander for Dennis Northcutt. Roy Williams for basically Brandon Pettigrew, Derrick Williams, and Aaron Brown. Too early to tell, but I think Williams was much more productive here than those 3 were, and may ever be. I hope Pettigrew produces. Maybe he will.

by ldlion39 on Mar 11, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

*facepalm*

really, I can’t find a better way to describe your post above.

Lets start with Northcutt: Its not about the stats hes going to provide you with, it rarely was…a lot team paid him good money b/c he is a solid veteran receiver that can block, catch, run solid routes, return kicks/punts…Derrick Williams can do maybe half of that at this stage of his career. 1.5 Mil, yes its a bit pricey, but we’re in an uncapped year, so for this year I would keep him.

Cherilus: 7 mil for a tackle isn’t all that much, and you said it yourself, two years is good enough for good NFL coaches to realize what they’re working with. Schwartz has seen him for a year now, and if he really thought Cherilus was that bad, he probably would;ve moved him. Unless, of course you’re saying you know more than the Lions coaching staff, in which case I have nothing more to say.

Cap issue: yes there is no cap this year that means you can afford to hang onto players that are expensive. When there is a cap, you cut those guys.

Mayhew: dude, why do you care so much about how much players are getting paid?? Its not your money. I would only care if they didnt pay enough to bring in a marquee guy, and there was no marquee player that would’ve come to Detroit after a 0-16 season. Gerald Alexander didn’t fit the scheme Cunningham was running, which is the big reason he got traded, plus I believe he was hurt too. Roy was starting to become a cancer in the locker room, everyone knows that, and his production has severely dropped for whatever reason. Hes on a good team now with a solid line, good QB, and a two guys (Witten and Austin) that take defenders away from him, yet he cant produce for shit. Also, Roy’s contract was over after that season, and he hated it in Detroit that last season, and there was very very little chance we were gonna resign him, so we basically got an all-around TE for free.

The beginning of the end of the misery

by latif on Mar 11, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by GRLion on Mar 11, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

1 more point about NorthCUT (him)

Burrelson is a WAY better return man than Northcut so I can’t understand why he is still on our roster. We have 2 better returners on our roster right now without even talking about Williams. Brown and Burrelson. Burrelson should be in the slot with johnson and Johnson on the outsides, Williams is there If Burrelson gets hurt like he is prone to do. I liked the signing of Northcut a year ago but he did nothing at all last year accept take up a roster spot, I can’t remember him making even 1 first down on 3rd and anything. At least I can remember B Johnson catching TD’s.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 12, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Jim Schwartz

I really do. But sometimes good people do make mistakes. Even somebody like a Bilicheck does. Obviously somebody saw something in Cherilus. All I’ve seen is a lazy slow ass fat bastard. I figure with all of the empty seats at the Lions games, and the auto industry not doing so well, I would love to see this team get good, and save the Fords some wasted money in the process. I’m afraid the Lions may go under honestly.

And yes, in the past I would say I have felt as though I knew more than the Lions coaching staff at times. Who hasn’t? 2 years ago, they were the worst coaching staff in the country. Every day when they went to work, they didn’t get their jobs done! Not even once!!! Not everybody knows what they are doing, just because they hold a particular job. But I guess some unfortunate souls out there believe other people are better than them, or smarter than them, just because they have a particular job.

And what the non cap year means to me is, you ditch all of the guys like Dewayne White, who you had long term deals with now, so that it doesn’t cost you in future years, when a new deal is signed, and it would still count against your cap. Tie up your money in the guys you draft this year, and guys like Vanden Bosch and Burleson that you bring in. But if they end up having a horrible year, and a new salary cap deal isn’t signed by this time next year, cut their asses.

by Holden36 on Mar 12, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh ya, Holden36, you're an...........

Effing moron for thinking we should fire Mayhew. You made one valid point and that is to cut Northcutt.

by lionsman81 on Mar 11, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

2-14

Matt Millen had a better winning pctg in his tenure than Martin has. It’s time for him to go now. I’m tired of waiting around for somebody to produce. Either they can do it, or they can’t. If Martin had used the 3 picks we got for Roy Williams on some good players it would have been a helluva trade. But he didn’t. Watch and learn.

by Holden36 on Mar 12, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

OK now I'm starting to think you are not even a LIONS fan.

DUDE THE BEARS CAN"T SIGN EVERYONE! Go root for your team on your teams site. You sound a lot like a certain Vikings fan that I shut up time and time again with insults. Revenge-4-Favre get the FUCK OUTTA HERE!

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 12, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I usually don't bother even responding to arguments this dumb...

But you realize that it takes time to rebuild, right? No GM was going to come in after an 0-16 season and the Millen era and turn this franchise into a playoff team in one offseason. Besides, Mayhew and company are building for the future, not for one good random season with no long-term value. It takes time, and if you don’t understand that, well then you probably shouldn’t be a football fan.

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by Sean Yuille on Mar 13, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I have been saying cut north-CUT for a month

I am not so fast to get rid of Bryant just yet. I say we hold onto him this year just to be on the safe side.

The best there is, The best there was, and the best there ever will be - Bret the Hitman hart

by The Profiler on Mar 11, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Firing Mayhew=Idiotic

Are you serious? In a year and a half this guy has assembled more talent then we’ve had since Barry left, and you want to fire him? WOW. I hate coming off like an asshole, but c’mon guy, you have to know that’s stupid right?

And as for the receivers, I would say maybe cut Northcutt, but even with Burleson we are seriously lacking in depth at the WR postiion, so we can’t lose both of them. Even though Bryant Johnson caused more Lions fans to throw remotes at the TV then anyone else last year, we need WR’s and he should hopefully be serviceable as our no. 3.

by motown313 on Mar 11, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

I guess 2-14 is okay for some of you mo-fos!!

2-14 and your dumbasses think this guy is legit? You probably believed all the bullshit coming out of Rod Marinelli’s lips too. And let me guess, you got a little excited when they first hired Matt Millen, and thought he might be the answer too?? What a bunch of dumbasses. You deserve to be rooting for a suck ass franchise!! But I don’t. So you can take sorry ass MAAAA-innnnnnnnnnnn, and hit the fuckin road!
Schwartz will eventually be successful, once Mayhew is out of town. But we are dealing with the Fords here, so it will be at least another 2 or 3 years of pure hell.

by Holden36 on Mar 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, because franchises go from 0-16 to the playoffs in one year

you sound like you don’t know how building a franchise works. I’m not gonna say anything else because it’s also obvious you don’t know shit about football, so I actually feel bad for you, you evidently got in way over your head when you made this post.

by motown313 on Mar 13, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

only dumbass here

is your trollin pathetic punk ass….go root for the pats u dick

by DR GRUBE on Mar 15, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep Mayhew!

Good grief! Give the FO at least a couple of years!

by coolbreeze42 on Mar 11, 2010 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Is this Mr. Ford Sr?

That’s the same BS I had to listen to from Lions mgmt regarding Matt Millen for way too many years. Martin is the cheapest answer, he isn’t the right answer.

by Holden36 on Mar 12, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

Maybe not.

Maybe you should be the GM…..since you know all the answers.

Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!

by KDawg on Mar 12, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

FAIL

Somebody confiscate this guys keys.

by FMFDOC8404 on Mar 11, 2010 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

I think everyone has summed up the idiocy of this post

The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.

by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 11, 2010 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

I might be the only guy who agrees with him

Hey, if you can’t turn an 0-16 team into superbowl winners in one season, then you should be fired. In fact, the whole team should be cut and then we start from scratch with whatever we can find on the streets.

I say this guy should be our new GM.

by ATL Lion on Mar 11, 2010 10:28 PM EST reply actions  

LMAO

should we pull an eagles from InVicible and hold open try outs?

I have a 9" personality

by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 11, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

You could definitely win 2 games next year with what’s available on the street right now. That’s for sure.

by Holden36 on Mar 12, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

man...

I just looked through the comment and whatnot…even tho his opinion is pretty stupid, we did give him a pretty bad welcome to POD, esp with the talking ass up there

As HE usually says, Welcome to the Pride

The beginning of the end of the misery

by latif on Mar 11, 2010 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

lol

Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!

by KDawg on Mar 11, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin

by JCruize on Mar 12, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yikes

Holden, nice try, but try to back it up with facts a little more and less on…well…maybe Jim Beam (bring back Kevin Jones????).
But come on, go easy on him ya’ll, let’s not tear the dude up too bad. Welcome to POD, better luck next time.

by TX Lion on Mar 12, 2010 2:10 AM EST reply actions  

I don't want Kevin Jones

NOOOOOO, I don’t want Kevin Jones back. But that’s the type of BS we have to deal with. You wait and see, he will probably be wearing a Lions uniform by August.

Thomas Jones was the 2 year stop gap, so many of you love to see.

by Holden36 on Mar 12, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You do realize

That K smith isn’t probably going to play this year right???? And the idea of having M.Morris as our starter just isn’t stomachable to most of us. Brown in his second year may be the answer but we would still need a true RB in the backfield. Holden I almost think you are not speaking with a clear head, since all you have said in every post so far is FIRE EVERYONE AND KEEP NO ONE! You must be either way young or way drunk. Oh I forgot choice C:all of the above.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 12, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

probably A + D

D being he’s actually Drew Sharp

by TX Lion on Mar 16, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I think we have all had stupid posts!!!

But the FIRE MAYHEW sentiment isn’t gonna get you too far around here. I think everyone agrees that he IS the answer. As for the Williams trade, that’s the thing that’s bugging me. So we trade a cancer, in his final year with the team anyways, for a 1st, 3rd, and a 6th. That is a great deal, we honestly shouldn’t have even gotten a 1st for him the way he was performing. And now everybody see’s just how bad the Cowgirls got ripped off.

Anyways welcome to the Pride.

by toled0lions on Mar 12, 2010 2:38 AM EST reply actions  

i wouldn't say hes the answer

but ya hes a solid GM

The beginning of the end of the misery

by latif on Mar 12, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

if lions draft okung to play left ot and move starting left ot to the right side ot and then move cherilus to left guared you might fix the line

by kwfords on Mar 12, 2010 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

That's alot of shifting

too a unit that has to have trust in one an other. I got an Idea let’s play BOGGLE you know shake up the game and let the blocks fall where they will and see what we can make out of it. I’m just messin with ya KW, We can’t afford to shake up the hole line just to draft 1 guy, I’d say cut Backus if we draft Okung would be the smarter play, or have him restructure his contract would be the cat’s MEOW. Here Jeff I know you’ve been with us a long time oh that’s right your entire career, And you’ve never had a serious injury, and you’ve seen the worst record ever in a ten year period but you have to take a pay cut if you want to stay with the team. How would you like it if your boss did that to you after an entire career with the job you love for a team that you love?

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 13, 2010 1:23 AM EST reply actions  

Best Fan Post ever

Without a doubt, this was the most fun to read fan post and comments ever. We may be a little too excited.

Looking at our Wide Recievers, I see Calvin and Burelson starting with Bryant switching in and out and being a third reciever. Usually you try to keep 5 recievers on your team each week so I would take either Williams or Northcutt and then try to get a solid reciever out of Clark, Fowler, Gavin, Heckendorf, Jennings, or a draft pick. I am not a big fan of Northcutt but Bryant played well enough. Clearly we do not have the depth to go cutting recievers before we have some one to replace them.

Looking at the Offensive Line. I see something out of Linehan and Schwartz. Either you produce or watch from the side line. I like that. Our line was shifted a lot this past year. Players were moved in and out and tried at different positions. The one constant you could count on was that Backus was at left tackle and Raiola was at center. I’d bet the other three position have some room for a new guy to step in and take a spot. I like Cherilis for run blocking. He is strong and mean. That is very good. I am not as happy with his foot work on pass plays. If we keep a guy and move him, because we got a better player in the draft, I’d move Cherlis before I’d move Backus. Peterman is a good guard, but injured. I saw Jansen playing guard some and liked that. With the age and injury bug on these two, I’d try and use them for the other guard spot. Now this all ass-u-me-s that we get a nice draft day trade getting Otung somewhere around #5 or #6. The line would be, Backus, Cheriles, Raiola, Peterman/Jensen, Otung.

Running back. Morris is still good. I am hoping Smith comes back, but a second round running back draft choice might not be too bad. Maybe the second round pick we get for trading down for Otung could be used here.

Martin Mayhew. Before last years draft, and some of the changes he brought to the team, I would have said, dump him, he’s a Millen man. Last year durring the draft, I could only guess at what he was doing. But honestly, 3 guys the caliber of Stafford, Delmas and Pettigrew in one draft is excellent. Hill and Levy are strong picks. Morris, Hunter, Heller, and Simpson were all good pick ups. There is a lot of frustration being a Lions fan and wanting to have a winning team, and wanting it now. But in my opinion, Mayhew has done a great job in improving the teams personel, and adding the coaching staff of Schwarts, Linehan and Cunningham. If we have a draft that produces 3 high caliber players and Vanden Bosch and Burelson pan out I would say Mayhew has done the best job as a Lions front office guy I can remember.

by Ox71 on Mar 16, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

+100000000

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Mar 17, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol agreed

 we have 3 guys to catch the ball we dont need a billion, infact some blocking would be nice. Why not try and be the team with the best O line for a change and see how that goes

by Brights on Mar 19, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

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