Lions' Draft Impressions
by Nate D. on Mar 14, 2010 5:15 PM EDT
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Being Sunday, it's my day to eat Hungry Howie's and mull over the last week or so worth of information that has been disseminated around the league and within the organization. The recent moves by our front office has left me with the following impressions:
The Lions will do absolutely everything in their power to trade down in the first round. If I had to choose a scenario (Suh, Berry, McCoy, trade, etc) I would definitely put the most likely one as trade down. We've positioned ourselves to really gain by doing so; getting Corey Williams and Chester Pitts' upcoming visit signal that the Lions are bolstering the lines to facilitate a trade. I feel that we may even take a sub par trade in lieu of drafting at #2.
Money-wise, if we were to pick up Pitts, our offensive line and defensive lines' salaries are going to definitely be on the high end of the league. Pitts being picked up will consummate what Schwartz has said about Backus, and solidify our starters on the o-line for 2010 (Backus, Pitts, Raiola, Petertears, Cherilus). They won't take Okung.
I personally see the Corey Williams trade as a huge deal, at least draft-wise. Mayhew and Schwartz picked up a possible heavy hitter to compliment SLH, and with KVB on the end, it will free up our DT's (in some fashion or another). We actually have pretty solid depth at DE now, with Hunter (who I think could start), McBride, and Bryant, so I think that adding a massive salary onto them that's tied to some (albeit only slightly) questionable knees is definitely going to play into the equation. Add to the fact that if Suh falls to us, there are more than a few teams who would likely trade up to get him, knowing that Tampa would shit themselves if he fell to them.
So I think the FO should and does understand we are in a WIN/WIN. Either Suh or Bradford are going to fall to us. Almost any team in the NFL could use either one of those guys, and we need more than Suh to start winning. I would gladly take two first rounders, or even a trade down and several picks this year over Suh, and I really honestly think that Mayhew is thinking the same thing. He's proven himself as a shrewd negotiator thus far, and I believe he'll continue to push the envelope in compensation.
So the question remains... who DO we pick? Well obviously that all depends on where we trade down to, but (unfortunately to me) I don't think we're going to see either of the big two picks everyone wants to see here come to Detroit. There are several solid safeties (say that five times fast) in this draft, but the BPA policy is still intact, and if we trade with Seattle or something, maybe we get Berry if he falls to us, but I'm not sure at all.
So I'll ask the Pride: assume we trade down. Who do we trade with and who do we take? I'm tired of Suh v. Berry, and as I said, I really am seeing both as less and less of a possibility. Let's imagine a world where, like with pick #20 in 2009, we get a player no one saw coming... My pick:
STL trades for Jason Campbell, QB (WAS)
1 STL selects Ndamukong Suh, DT (NEB)
DET trades pick #2 to SEA for picks #6 and #14, plus a swap of 2nd round picks (#34 and #40)
2 SEA selects Sam Bradford, QB (OK)
3 TB selects Gerald McCoy, DT (OK St.)
4 WAS selects Jimmy Clausen, QB (ND)
5 KC selects Russell Okung, OT (OK St.)
6 DET selects Eric Berry, S (TEN)
...
14 DET selects CJ Spiller, RB (Clemson)
...
40 DET selects Devin McCourty, CB (Rutgers) or John Jerry, G (Ole Miss)
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Seriously?
They got a 6 and a conditional 7? I would have thought they could get a bit more than that.
Yeah, and Peyton Hillis
Big whoop. A little surprised he went to Denver, but I think Cleveland got pretty fleeced in that one.
I don't think so guy.
There is no way I can see Seattle giving us the no. 6 and no. 14 for the no. 2. There’s a reason the top 3 picks are referred to as “toxic” picks, and that’s because you will have to pay an assload amount of money to a guy who has really done absolutely nothing, and therefore the reason the top 3 teams are always looking to trade down, and usually nobody else is looking to trade up for them. I don’t even think I could picture Seattle giving us the no.6 and their second rounder for the no. 2. Unless the Seahawks are absolutely infatuated with Jimmy Clausen (assuming Bradford goes no. 1), I can’t even see them wanting to try to trade for it.
I agree--Seattle won't trade #6 and #14. #6 and #40 would be more appropriate value
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Agree with n4ry4 and Drew. Mayhew might weasel a fourth rounder out of them too.
And I don’t see KC taking Okung. Albert is a pretty good LT. They may likely take Berry. They have two second rounders to pick up at least one interior lineman, which is a bigger need for them.
If they took Berry, I would be totally okay with Okung at #6. The #34 and #40 could be used to pick up a RB [Best] and CB [McCourty or Jackson]. The #66 could be used to pick up a Safety [R. Jones] or CB [A. Spievey] or OLB [AJ Edds] or a Guard [Jerry]. The two fours would be great for a DT or WR.
Who knows. Too many possibilities. Draft day will be interesting.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 14, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert was moved to LG if I'm not mistaken
And I really think Pioli is far more concerned about protecting his ‘franchise quarterback’ than he is in getting a safety.
Yes, you are mistaken Nate.
Albert played at Left Guard beside Eugene Monroe in college but was identified as having the capability to play either Tackle position too. He played LT as a rookie and did a very good job. 2009 was another story. He was pretty bad the first half of the season, then settled down in the second half and played pretty well.
There has been lots of talk about moving him back to Guard, but right now it is just talk. It could happen.
Check the draft trade chart
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670
Pick 2: 2600
Pick 6: 1600 + Pick 14: 1100 = 2700
Throw in the swap for picks, it’s pretty even. I think that Seattle would be willing to leapfrog any other team in order to draft Bradford or Clausen, and that’s the easiest way to do so.
I never said this was a for sure trade or anything. I’m entertaining ideas other than DRAFT SUH OR BERRY for everyone’s sanity and a little fun… It’s not unrealistic.
I understand where you are coming from
but if we habve a chance at Suh and pass on it, I will be inconsolable.
I won't be inconsolable, but..
I think it would be the wrong move unless the trade is an absolute blockbuster and we still end up with a top ten pick. I just think that the right offer won’t come (or possibly none will come) so they’ll get stuck taking their top guy on their board. That shouldn’t concern anyone here. There are more than 2 top flight picks and they will come away with a good player.
I totally agree
I was simply saying that judging by the moves recently made by the front office, I don’t think you can argue that they’re putting themselves in a position to trade down. Whatever move they make, I’m sure it will be fantastic, but all signs are pointing that way. You don’t pick up a guy who basically plays Suh’s position and pay him a decent amount of money, then draft another guy at #2 for the same position. The FO is smarter than that, and it really made me question what’s going to happen.
I agree, they wont go for Suh...
I see them trading down. If they stay at #2 then I believe with them addressing so many needs this year…lets say Pitts signs with the Lions. Then they take Berry and maybe move there 2nd rounder up for Kyle Wilson or at least take BPA at CB with the 2nd rounder. I think they feel they have made enough additions to the D-LINE and are strong enough at linebacker. I think D-Backs, LG and RB will be there focus. KJ blowing out his knee really put a kink in there drafting but with Blount in a later round it will not be a major effect.
I think it really will come down to a team WANTING to move up for who is there.
If they WANT to move up they will cough up the picks. If they are only kinda wanting the guy…no trade will happen. Detroit has put themselfs in a position to trade down tho.
I am not saying this is not impossible, just not probable.
I still see the Browns as more viable. Regaurdless if get the Hawks trade or one with the Browns, I would trade the #6 or #7 pick ( Hawks or Browns) down. Having another 2nd rounder and picking at say 14th – 19th is more attractive to me. Schwartz and CO. are lovin them some Kyle Wilson. If we DO get the Hawks 2, 1st rounders then I would with there 2nd 1st rounder take say, Iupita. Those are 2 huge holes we just filled. I still think MT. Cody would be a great fit for the Lions. He attracts so much attention it would let William, KVB and Avil rush like crazy giving us a stay at home run defender. Hill could rotate out as well keeping them fresh. I still like M. Rolle at Safty, picking Blount and him in later rounds would be huge for this team. Way more improved then just Suh at the top of the draft with a 2nd rounder at CB.
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I havent had Hungry Howies in forever !!! That sounds good for some reason…so does Taco Bell….man how you miss food while overseas !!!
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How many lumps you want Doc?
I'm in San Marcos, just south of Austin
Wait, you in Austin or overseas? And what part of Austin?
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Nate
I love your idea……
IF it could happen, I would be all for it……IF Berry fell to pick 6 and we could get McCourty at 34, I would be very happy.
However, I am afraid that Eric Berry is on the KC radar for sure. I am not sure they wouldn’t take him over Okung at pick 5. However, if we could get Okung at pick 6…..that might be pretty special too.
Personally, I do not see it as out of the realm of possibility that we could end up with both picks 6 and 14. We might have to toss in another pick to go with #2 to make it happen though. That said, imagine if we could even just get pick 6, 40, and 72 for say 2 and 98 (Seattle’s 1st rd 1 pick and their 2nd and 3rd rounders, for our 1st pick and our 4th rounder). Then we would have 6, 34, 40, 66, and 72 (1 1st, 2 2nds, and 2 3rds). I would be pretty happy with that too…..especially if pick 6 landed us Berry or Okung, and 34 landed us McCourty or Wilson. Hell, maybe Iupati slips to pick 40 or we draft our RB at 40……wouldn’t that be nice? I think there is a very good possibility that we will trade down…..but what we do with those picks and how far we drop are the key. It could be excellent, or it could be disastrous.
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I actually see Tampa Bay going for Berry too. Remember who his College coach is !!!
I agree over all tho. I would love Berry at #6, #14 Iupita, 2nd round I would be ok with any number of these guys, McCourtny, MT. Cody, Pouncy….To be able to get just these 5 and Blount in a later round….I think my head would explode I would be so happy !!!!
Sorry Joey
No WAY TB is taking Berry at the 3 with Kong and McCoy sitting there, TB’s D wasn’t that bad against the pass it was horrible against the run, and they wouldn’t take Berry at the 3 spot for the exact same reasons we can’t take him at 2.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I could see us, swapping 2nd rounders and then getting the two 1st rounders from the Hawks
Also If we traded next yrs 1st rounder then we could possibly make something like this happen as to the players we are naming.
Iupati's senior bowl performance...
labels him as a pure guard. He will go in the 2nd round now. Definitely not in the top half of the draft.
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lions will trade with cle and move to 7pick inthe draft also cle gives lions two 3rdpicks and 4rd pickin this year draft . the lions give cle the 2pick in draft .then cle will draft a qb or dt with the 2pick ithink lions would make this trade in a heart beat.andhear how ithink the top 10picks will go in this year draft. 1stl. sam bradford qb // cle jimmy clausen qb// 3tb ndamukong suh dt// 4 was russellokung ot//5 kc eric berry ss//6 gerald mccoydt// 7 det trent williams ot or joe haden cb //8 oak bruce campbell ot //buf bryan bulage ot //10 den derrick morgan de. the reason ithink lions might go ot instead of cb is beause they now have a 2rd pick and two 3rd picks and two 4rd picks to draft a dt /cbs / ss /rb with those picks.
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but i noticed you guys speaking about hungry howie’s.
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by GhostManOnThird on Mar 15, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions
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by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 15, 2010 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It all depends on who is trading with us and why.
We could actually trade down several times. Say that the Rams take Bradford, which I think they will. Maybe Tampa will trade with us to get Suh. So Tampa takes Suh at 2. Then we are there at 3 and Seattle comes calling and they want to get Claussen over Washington. At this point you could see a 3 way bidding war with Cleveland, Washington, and Seattle for Claussen. And that could be truly amazing for us and we would be fools not to take it. Becasue if Claussen goes at 3 that leaves us, worst case with the browns pick at 7, 3 more players going. If the Browns take Claussen at 3, Washington will not take a QB at 4, they will stand pat with the guy they got and get one next year. The would likely take Okung to replace the loss of Chris Samules. At 5 KC is all over Berry. The real gamble is what would Seattle do at 6. They might take McCoy just to spite us if we dealt with the browns over them. I think they would take Spiller though and McCoy would still fall to us. In this type of crazy scenario you could see us get not only 1-2 extra picks but maybe as many as 4-5, some might come next year though.
As for picks, in this crazy scenario, I could see us with Clevands 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Tampas 3rd.
I just hope something like this goes down, it would be epic.
These dream trades are fun but let's be realistic
Miike Ditka isn’t drafting this year for any team so let’s think in terms of a realist. I can see a 2 for 3 pick switch but no way is anyone giving up 4 for 1 or 3 for 1 in this draft. Not unless we are giving away our 2 pick and a player of some worth and other than Peterson who do we have that is expendable that we have depth at a position for.Don’t anyone say Cherilous cause the Idea of having Jansen by himself at RT does not sound like a thing I’d want to have going into training camp at his age.
How many lumps you want Doc?
The point of the post wasn't really realism
It’s a break from the monotony of what we all know is probably going to be ‘reality’ to consider the possibility (because whether its small or not, there is one) that things won’t go as all us football geniuses have it planned.
I am suprised
You have eric berry falling that far. I’d rather do something more solid with that second pick of CJ spiller. Not a horrible pick but I’d like to add some young blood to the O-line.
How do you keep a running back out of your secondary? You put up a LEVY.
The teams before the purported #6 pick all have serious needs
As do we… Seattle gets their west-coast QB, Tampa takes their next Warren Sapp, Washington gets Shanahan a new QB, and KC protects Cassel… Leaving us with Berry.
I agree with the Spiller notion, I really don’t even want him, but I was looking at potential mid-round picks, and value wise, Spiller stuck out, especially after his pro day performance.
Actually
a lot of mocks I’ve seen have Berry falling to 6 or 7. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it did.
And if in some crazy alternate dimension this trade actually did go down like this, I would love taking Spiller, the guy is probably gonna be a perennial pro-bowler as long as his o-line is at least mediocre.
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I totally agree. I also have Berry falling to the 6th selection even though he’s the 2nd rated player on my overall board behind Suh. I just don’t see any team drafting him unless the two defensive tackles are gone at one and two, leaving the Bucs with Berry, but if the Lions trade down, I’d be happy with either Berry or Okung falling to 6 and with this scenario, looks like we’ll get the 2nd best player in the draft.
If we do get Berry, I wouldn’t want Spiller at 14. The Lions MUST address that offensive line at some point in this draft and there should be a more than enough options at 14. I like Bulaga at that pick if he’s available unless we can somehow get Okung.
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