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Saints Restricted Free Agent Anthony Hargrove Visiting Lions

The Times-Picayune is reporting that Saints defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove is visiting the Lions tonight and tomorrow.  Hargrove is a restricted free agent with a third-round tender, meaning if he signed an offer sheet with the Lions and the Saints declined to match that offer, Detroit would have to send a third-round selection to New Orleans.  It's always possible that a trade involving different compensation could be worked out, but based on Hargrove's tender, the Lions would have to give up a third-rounder to sign him.

Although there is no report of an offer being made just yet, the fact that the Lions are hosting Hargrove for a visit is very interesting to me.  Hargrove is a defensive tackle who can play defensive end as well, and he is coming off of a pretty good season and good year in general.  After being suspended for all of 2008 due to another violation of the league's substance abuse policy, Hargrove cleaned up his life and ended up getting another chance to play in the NFL down in New Orleans.  Hargrove's life is now on the right path and he is greatly respected by his teammates in New Orleans, as evidenced by the fact that they voted him as the recipient of the team's 2009 Ed Block Courage Award.

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What exactly this means for the Lions is tough to figure out.  I personally would be surprised if the Lions gave up the 66th overall pick to sign Hargrove.  If that does end up happening, though, what does it mean for the second overall pick of the draft?  If Hargrove was brought in as a defensive end, then it would simply mean that the Lions are really trying to improve their defensive line and could still draft Ndamukong Suh or Gerald McCoy.  While that's certainly possible, I just have a hard time believing the Lions would give up a third-round pick for another defensive end when they already signed Kyle Vanden Bosch and gave Jason Hunter the highest tender out of all their restricted free agents.  To me that shows that they are high on Hunter, meaning unless they are really concerned about depth at defensive end, it wouldn't make sense to bring in someone like Hargrove to play outside.

If Hargrove is brought in as a defensive tackle, then you would certainly think that Suh and McCoy are no longer an option for the second overall pick.  Again, it's possible that it could be a situation where the Lions just want to load up on depth at the defensive tackle position, but that doesn't seem very likely.  If anything, a move to sign Hargrove would signal that the Lions either feel really good about being able to trade down or are content with drafting someone like Russell Okung.

Martin Mayhew has certainly thrown a curve ball simply by going to the trouble of hosting Hargrove for a visit, but it's important to realize that nothing has actually happened yet.  I don't know what the strategy is behind possibly signing Hargrove and having to give up a third-round pick, but if Mayhew has shown us anything in the past, it's that he always seems to be planning ahead and has something up his sleeve.  Perhaps a move to sign Hargrove is just the start of something bigger, such as a trade to move down from the second overall pick.

(Interesting side note via John Niyo: Hargrove's agent is Philip Williams, who is also Will Heller's agent and was Mayhew's agent when he was a player.)

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WHY

does this FO keep up guessing at every moment?!
now the possibilities are endless. maybe they already have a deal to move down and the details haven’t been released?!
it’s frustrating, but so damn exciting.
In Mayhew I Trust.

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by GhostManOnThird on Mar 15, 2010 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I AGREE: WHY!

Ok I know we havent had the best D-Line since Redding and Rogers got traded, but cmon… Why would we get excited to get another DT? Are you guys really counting on Chris Houston and Jonathan Wade to be our starting CBs? Whos going to be the other Safety? Suh would be an amazing addition to the Lions. If were giving up a 3rd rounder it might as well be for a CB, S, or RB

by davidn17 on Mar 15, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure it makes much sense taking a chance on a guy like this.

Sorry, but if he slips again he is gone for ……..how long? To give up the #66 pick for him is a little rich.

by NorthLeft12 on Mar 15, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

If he was suspended for all of 2008 it’s a pretty shit log to eat if he f’s up. How is he gonna take be on a losing team if we start out like the last 10 years, “exclude 2007 please”. What’s scary is you don’t bring a guy in if your not ready to sign him. If he checks out, say’s all the right things at dinner and you get a good vibe why wouldn’t you offer him a contract. Smells like a trade or were taking a LT.

by msivits on Mar 15, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

OR loading up on our D

If this goes through I could only see us taking Berry, Okung or trading down. My money is if Pitts signs then we are trading down. If he dosent sign im just confused and excited.

by Joey-P on Mar 15, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

could mayhew

be bluffing… this is nervous that 3rd i THOUGHT COULD GO:

S. DT, RB, CB or OL… depending on Pacman Jones (and the OL decision this Wed…) unless they are trading down the second pick? the first? it will be interesting to see where this goes…. i like the moves so far… this move is risky…

GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.

by DINORDO on Mar 15, 2010 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't put it past him

On the one hand, to bring a guy in for a visit as a smokescreen and to have no intention of signing him seems ridiculous. On the other hand, Martin Mayhew and Jim Schwartz like to keep everybody guessing, and they’re certainly doing a good job.

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by Sean Yuille on Mar 15, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

even if they like him they can still negotiate considering we have the second pick in the 3rd.

maybe next years 4th…

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by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 15, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys confuse me sometimes...

….you don’t want Hargrove, but you DO want Pacman?? Just going by the polls, but geez. Hargrove would be way more helpful to us. We could draft Eric Berry or Okung this way and feel good about it, possibly by trading down a notch or two.

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Mar 15, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

The difference

People aren’t exactly all that excited with giving up a high draft pick like that. I think most people that voted yes to Pacman did it with the understanding that he would get a small contract and be on a zero tolerance policy. Also, with the understanding that he can even still play.

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by Sean Yuille on Mar 15, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

+100

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by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 16, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personaly

If both look good and we negotiate the 3rd pick for something lower I like it. Same with Pacman with a ZERO tolerance offer as well as it being small and incentive laden. I would love for us to trade down. Imagine if we get Pacman, Hargrove and Pitts. The draft would really be interesting for us.

by Joey-P on Mar 15, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point twon good point

but if Pac man f’s up we just cut him with not losing a draft pick. If Hargrove F’s up we lose a 3rd round pick…

by msivits on Mar 15, 2010 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

+!

And at 6-3, 272 he’s not being brought in to play DT….not for this team. That’s Tampa 2 size….and then some. I hope he has a road map to Indianapolis.

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by GRLion on Mar 16, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a DE

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by GRLion on Mar 16, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

mabe

idk here but mabe we can get seahawks picks take okung and cj spiller but i still want suh so whatever in mayhew I trust

by sandvet on Mar 15, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

It's the draft pick

Throwing around 5th, 6th, or 7th rounders is one thing, but 3rd round (and second pick of that round especially) gets my attention in a big way. I’m not saying that I know if this player is worth or not worth our 3rd rounder, but, as a fan, I am a whole different level of nervous of a player we bring in for that high of a pick.

by HoorayForEverything on Mar 15, 2010 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

i feel ya

this is the one time im nervous here cuz 3rd pick we could use so mayhew has something up his sleev for sure mabe even the browns here cuz holmgran wants a qb so will see but im nervous for sure!

by sandvet on Mar 15, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can't help but think

that if we were interested we would work a trade for him and give maybe a 5th, just because someone is tendered with a third doesn’t mean that’s what going to be the compensation for that player

by Tomshep32 on Mar 15, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY...

I believe Cory Williamson was tendered with a 1st and the Browns got him for a 2nd rounder when they orginally got him.

by Joey-P on Mar 15, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I bet Mayhew allready has a couple draft-day trades worked out. If the Rams take Suh, a QB needy team swoops in…If the Rams take Bradford, then team X calls…only 38 days and this draft crap is all over. Hopefully we won’t have to start talking about next years draft in October again

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by JazzyBBP on Mar 15, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep..

I also see the Hawks flip floping 2nd round picks so they can take Tebow…I know but were not the one pickin him !! So if we get a 4th rounder out of it then by all means…might be the pick we replace say a 4th rounder for Hargrove.

by Joey-P on Mar 15, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this happened....

….im sure somethign would be worked out as far as compensation…..Say maybe we give them a 4th next year and we also get there 3rd this year.

by BennieBladesFan on Mar 15, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Lots of people on here use bad english and poor spelling

Luckily we are not on a poetry and prose blog. Not only is BBF a fan of one of Bennie Blades, but he usually has something interesting to say. If you could figure out what he was trying to type, then assume the rest of us could also and go back to the Jane Austin blog to rip peoples spelling.

by ATL Lion on Mar 16, 2010 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

ouch...

Im in no way the grammar police. I was actually just correcting it so others wouldnt jump all over it. Dont get uspet buddy.

by Gyorick on Mar 21, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

My initial reaction

is I would not be in favor of giving up our 3rd round pick for him. However, after reading the New Orleans blog I’m waffling a bit. They do not want to lose this guy and he’s only 26 and entering his prime years, so he could be a key part of our rebuilding process. There is definitely some risk considering his past troubles, but if we can get him for our 4th I’d be on board with that.

I don’t think this potential signing reflects anything about Mayhew having a trade for our #2 pick lined up. It’s extremely rare for teams to trade a high pick like ours this far before the draft. No one knows for sure who the Rams will take at number one and what if the guy a team covets gets injured between now and the draft?

by Stones1981 on Mar 15, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

John Niyo is saying it would

be our 2011 3rd rounder, not this years 3rd rounder. That definitely makes this potential signing a bit more attractive.

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/lionsblog/index.php

by Stones1981 on Mar 15, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

also the possibility

of working out a lesser termed deal which mayhem seems to be a master at thus far….i’m torn between suh and okung at this point….

by DR GRUBE on Mar 15, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is a thought...

Since now it is reported that we still have that 5th round pick, it was not used in the Wade deal, it now involves the 7th round of 2011 and the 6th round of 2010…We could use the 5th rounder on Hargrove as well as 2011 6th if needed or something like that.

by Joey-P on Mar 15, 2010 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

3rd rounder for this guy might be a steal

This kid was dealt some real tough cards in life. I’d like to see him in the Detroit community and on the team. He was drafted in the 3rd round after not being in college for 2 of 4 years. Says something about his talent but also says something about his past.

Good story on the guy here, gives some non football insight:
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/11/post_89.html

by LionInIowa on Mar 15, 2010 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

I totally agree. He definitely has some off-field issues, but he might just be worth the risk. He could easily be a steal in exchange for the Lions 2011 3rd round selection.

by BriansLions on Mar 15, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm starting to come around

on him but i wanna see what our FO thinks before i make a decision….

by DR GRUBE on Mar 15, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He will be a DE for us please know that

2nd he will be starting for us not depth please also understand that. They will not give a 3rd round pick to sit on the bench. So Avril will only be a 3rd down DE, that’s why I hope they know what there getting because it will cost us a pretty penny to get him. I trust Jim in the end…

by msivits on Mar 16, 2010 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Hunter

I think Jason Hunter proved he was capable of splitting the time with Avril last year, why would we need another DE?

by davidn17 on Mar 16, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Hargrove is worth a 3rd rounder

He is a DT/DE so he would help the Lions DLine rotation tremendously. Sign him and grab Berry at 2 and best CB at 34
   the Lions defense would be NFL top 10

by ralphgoblue on Mar 16, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

you're downing that kool-aid!

nfl top 10 defense?!
i hope you’re right, i’m with you on that buddy. <3

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by GhostManOnThird on Mar 16, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mayhew keeping us on our toes...I like it

I don’t expect this to happen though.

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by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 16, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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