Thursday Notes: Ndamukong Suh to Visit Lions Today
by Sean Yuille on Mar 18, 2010 6:41 AM EDT
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- Mike O'Hara got word from Ndamukong Suh's agent (interestingly, Suh's agent is former Lions linebacker Roosevelt Barnes) that the defensive tackle will be visiting with the Lions today in Allen Park. Russell Okung visited earlier this week, and Gerald McCoy's visit was set for yesterday. Suh's arrival to Allen Park will cap off a big week of visits with players that could potentially be selected with the second overall pick. In the coming weeks more potential picks will head to Allen Park, as the Lions will still have 27 visits to use before the draft.
- Larry Foote backtracked a bit on Wednesday and tried to clear up his earlier comments that were viewed as a shot at the Lions. You can be the judge of his reasoning for the comments and decide for yourself what you think of them, but Foote did say something that we've been thinking all this time.
"They were evaluating me the whole time, and I was evaluating them," Foote said. "I guess it was a mutual decision. I didn't really fit into the defense, didn't feel like it suited my game. And I'm quite sure the coaches saw it that way, too."
I wish Foote would have just said that from the start, but whatever. Like I said yesterday, it's time to move on to other things. - New Lions quarterback Shaun Hill is okay with being a backup.
- Toby Gerhart reportedly scored a 30 on the Wonderlic test. C.J. Spiller was on the opposite end of the spectrum, as he reportedly scored a 10.
- A couple administrative things: 1) Things have been so busy that I haven't yet had a chance to put together profiles on the Lions' acquisitions, but I still plan to post them at some point when I get a chance. 2) Look for info on the second annual Pride of Detroit community mock draft next week. We are inching closer and closer to April, so I figure it's probably time to start planning the community mock draft so we can get it started in the near future.
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The Ultimate Smokescreen!!!
I notice that there is no hoopla over the visit of Eric Berry [is he even visiting?] to Detroit.
Is this a continuation of the strategy of misdirection by Mayhew and Schwartz to throw all the teams that may move ahead of us to draft Berry off the track? Stay tuned.
I will await GRL’s take on this. I am sure it points to the Lions taking Berry at # 2 and that it is further proof that McCoy and Suh are too small to fit into the Lions D Line.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 18, 2010 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
They want 2
trade down 2 pick him w/ a later pick. They’ve said all along " they’ll take the most talented player available" & have made it known they want 2 trade down, that’s my guess 2 to get Berry, maybe Okung, but most likely eric.
Ltown
I’m not sure if your serious or not since I know these two are def. in the whole Kong/Okung wanters list. No knock on them for wanting either of those 2 guys but I really do want us to trade down so we can get Berry. Then in the second round grab either a CB or a DE, since I beleave we will have signed a guard by draft day. Or should I say an adiquate guard by draft day.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Spelling Mistakes
I hate to be the online spelling police, especially since we all make typos, but your post is ridiculous. I can’t even read your post due to the grammar mistakes. What is infuriating to me is that when you post on SB and misspell a word, a red squiggly line shows up pointing out the mistake.
What does this “two are def. in the whole Kong/Okung wanters list” mean?
Beleave? Adiquate? Wow man. Either put the joint down, quit typing when jogging, or pick up the dictionary. I’m not telling you everything needs to be perfect but please be coherent if you’re going to bother posting.
Why bash the guy
I understood it just fine and seems like your the only one complaining. Maybe you should lay off acting like a dick.
by Usmarine0341 on Mar 19, 2010 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions
It's early
Wait and see what happens.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Berry
There’s a great article on cbssports.com about why the Lions should draft Berry. I won’t bloviate, but an excellent article with many excellent points.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Pretty much exactly what we have said all along.....
He is ELITE……
Furthermore…..it also said it from my viewpoint……IF Suh is gone, we should draft Berry.
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Neither
are too small to play the 3-technique. Suh can also play DE on passing downs. McCoy may be able to as well. If they cannot trade down there is no way they could take Eric Berry. They would give $12 million a year to a Safety when no Safety in the NFL makes over $8. It just doesn’t make good business sense.
More than $
While I agree with everything you said, I think the more important point against drafting Berry is the “waste” of a top 10 pick on a safety.
To win in the NFL you need a great QB, an O-line that can protect the QB, and a D-line that can get to the opponents QB. The whole notion on defense, defense, defense is no longer true. Look at the Saints and the Colts. Both have a great QB. Both had a good o-line during the regular season (and the Colts bad o-line play in the playoffs cost them) and they can get to the opposing QB early and often (Freeney 13.5 sacks, Mathis 9 sacks, Will Smith 13 sacks).
Detroit has the QB but we don’t have the O-line nor the D-line. This year the best two players in the draft are DTs. Why would we skip on them for a safety?
You need great players
And the so-called “argument” about “what you need to win……..blah, blah, blah” is usually stated as QB, LT, DE. Not DT. You can’t sneak DT in there without someone noticing. The top DT in the league was 40th in sacks…..the top 39 were DE’s and OLB’s (and 1 ILB). The best 2 players in the draft are not DT’s. We’d skip DT’s because the BPA that fits is Eric Berry.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Because the two best players in the draft are not BOTH DTs.......
One is a DT and the other is a Safety.
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larry lol
just hope he knows how dumb he looks he was upset when Detroit didnt want to resign him lol.
about berry
lions wont pick him 2nd hes more of a top 10 pick not a top 5 or 2
Well KC picks at 5...
and according to most people here, he’s not making it past there, so IMO you are incorrect sir.
Even over the Vaunted Okung?????
Or do you guys have him going to the Skins????
How many lumps you want Doc?
The only way Washington doesn't take Okung
Is if both QBs are gone.. and even then, I’m not sure about that.
Funny how Okung only became more talked about (hyped) as a possibility once McCoy fell on his face
One pretender down, and another takes his place. Welcome to the world of media hype.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Hey now.....
Okung is the real deal…..make no mistake about that. He just isn’t a top 3 guy. He is a top 5 guy.
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NOW THATS THE TRUTH
How do you keep a running back out of your secondary? You put up a LEVY.
by The Profiler on Mar 21, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
should say it this way
GRLION is tellin the truth. Nobody gave a crap about Okung until Mccoy proved he wasn’t in Suhs class. Now there hopping on his train.
How do you keep a running back out of your secondary? You put up a LEVY.
by The Profiler on Mar 21, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhh, not really.
Okung became more likely after the Lions added a starting DT and DE through a trade and FA. That decreased the chance that the Lions would use the # 2 pick on a DT. Okung also helped himself out by looking very good at the combine in his measureables and how he performed in the drills and how he interviewed. He has clearly shown himself as the best LT in this class. With that, and the Lions need to upgrade their O Line in the short and long term, he has moved into consideration. He probably always should have been in the discussion.
Value is not where they are picked...
Just because a single team takes him doesn’t mean that’s his value. Oakland took Michael Mitchell in the 2nd round last year but 31 other teams had him as a 5th rounder at best. I’m not saying I like Mel Kiper (if he likes your draft panic, if he hates it cheer) but he rated Mitchell between the 40th and 70th best safety available.
KC won’t take him because they will take Bulaga. Pioli has a hard on for Ferentz and will take Bulaga at 5 (even over Okung).
True, value is how good they play in the NFL
Schwartz was able to steal Louis Delmas with the 33rd pick last year, but said there were few others in the entire draft he would have taken over Delmas. Delmas was one of the best players in the draft last year. Getting great players is value. Getting overhyped guys who bust isn’t value.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/364649-detroit-why-not-eric-berry
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
On gerhart!
Doesn’t he remind anyone else of TD Touchdown Tommy Vardell? I hate sounding like a bigget here but who was the last great white RB in the NFL?? John Riggens???? White guys just don’t have enough speed to be legit RB’s in the NFL. And before anyone ask’s yes I’m white. Especially since I can’t spell caucasion.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Davis0169 is a hack!
What a ridiculous comment. You are a uneducated (from you’re 1st comment where you can’t spell believe right) hick who needs to wake up to the real world. Maybe NFL teams also shouldn’t draft black QBs since only 1 has ever won the Super Bowl while being the starting QB. Looking at color (not skill, not strength) and assuming a players results before they even play is lazy and straight up racist. And yes you can be white and still be racist against whites (racism is the belief that each race has distinct and intrinsic attributes).
Besides your stupid assumption that Gerhart won’t succeed at RB because he’s white, why do you he’s slow? First off, at 235 pounds he doesn’t need to be fast. He can just run over people. Jerome Bettis who was slow his entire NFL career ran for 13,662 yards and has 91 touchdowns. If Gerhart did half of that he’d be a steal in the 3rd round.
Besides his size Gerhart still ran a 4.53! While not as fast as Chris Johnson it is by no means slow. (Pro Bowl RB) Michael Turner ran a 4.51, Ronnie Brown (also a Pro Bowl RB) ran a 4.49. Jonathan Stewart and Ray Rice (another Pro Bowl RB) both ran 4.48. Gehrart beat out Frank Gore (yet another Pro Bowl RB) who ran a 4.58!
So can we dispense with the stupid notion that RB need to be the fastest guy? I think Detroit should leap at the chance to get a tough up the middle RB who I know will break through the final defender to get the extra half a yard to get the first down. Sure he won’t outrun any safety in a footrace to the endzone but to get into the footrace you first need to get through the front 7 and few players can do as well as Gerhart did at Stanford.
Grammar Mistake
It should be an uneducated. I know. Can’t rip somebody for being dumb while making a grammar mistake. Lets chalk it up to me being sooo mad at his previous comment I sped through while typing.
Whoa! Dude, settle down
First off, davis isn’t the worse speller here, that’s det32, and to be honest, I don’t care. As long as I can understand what they are saying I’m not gonna go crazy about it.
Second, You made a few mistakes yourself in that post. I know you said you were angry but maybe you should make an effort to backup your complaints with a correctly spelt post.
Third, I tend to agree with you, but you don’t have to be so hostile about it. Davis didn’t say anything derogatory to you so you shouldn’t say anything derogatory to him. I’d expect a fairly harsh rebuttal from some POD members, and I’d say you deserve it.
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 1-0 : Current Position - 8th : Last game - Defeated Manly Sea Eagles 26 -22
by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 19, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Correctly "spelled" post.
If you’re going to correct, be correct.
by Lionsrmycrack on Mar 19, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone needs to STFU about spelling and grammar errors.....
This is not a test.
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LMAO
Well…..it is not an ellipse…..LOL
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Ah, touche...
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 1-0 : Current Position - 8th : Last game - Defeated Manly Sea Eagles 26 -22
by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 19, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I still like Dexter McCluster I watched a ton of college games the past 2 years
and something about the guy stood out he had that IT factor I don’t know what IT is but whatever IT is he had IT LOL I think IT is the same thing Metcalf had quite a few years back. He will make an impression next year for some team I’d lay money on it.
Speaking of Wonderlic results
How does, let`s say Spiller`s 10, affect the RB`s on-field production in your opinion? Just wondering here. And I was trying to find me an online Wondrelic test to try it and find out how I can handle it. And you know what, I failed to find one. So, either it`s impossible to go thru one online or…damn I`m dumb… (in which case nevermind this worthless comment)
I think the RBs position is more one of instinct.
I also think there is football and " book smarts " I.Q. That being said Spiller knows football, he is just not that great at the books.
the Wonderlic...
is more common sense and cognitive thinking, problem solving if you will, not book smarts. It shows a players ability to think on the fly and under pressure.
and a score of 10 is a BIG RED FLAG to me.
Chris Johnson scored a 10.
That is silly, red flag if on a position like QB where the guy has to be able to, on the fly, read coverage. RB is instinctive, I would not think twice about it.
Yeah
because being able to diagnose plays as they develop from the backfield, hitting proper holes, making adjustments if said hole isn’t there, picking up the blitz correctly, and following your blockers aren’t things that require quick decision making and sound mental capability.
It is said a score of less than 10 implies literacy problems.
I don’t want someone who can BARELY READ. That is a RED FLAG to me.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_NFL_player_has_the_lowest_Wonderlic_score
Delmas had a low score
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 1-0 : Current Position - 8th : Last game - Defeated Manly Sea Eagles 26 -22
by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 19, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Rousyique
I was unemployed from 2006 to 2009. I went to dozens if not hundreds of job interviews. Two of them gave me wonderlics. (mmmmmmmm). all kidding aside, I scored a 42 on one and a 48 on the other. Neither one hired me becaus I was smarter than the interviewer. Well, maybe it was the criminal background check. Bow down, kids.. LOL
OK, I guess
it helps to evaluate the mental outlook in general. Otherwise I don`t know how the player`s ability to know the right angle from acute is important football-wise
Sean...as far as the POD Mock draft...
I am throwing my name in. I am sure that you will have a post for signing up. Just giving you a heads up. I live in 49er and Raider country. So I get alot of info from the local media and their fans.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Suh
We need SUH to highly improve, and we will end up taking him. We will not pass on this guy. I cannot wait to see him in effect full throttle. Wow.
by detroitfanincali on Mar 19, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions
I'm in for the POD mock
I had Houston last year, I’m gonna try something different this time.
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 1-0 : Current Position - 8th : Last game - Defeated Manly Sea Eagles 26 -22
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