Trade Down Potential Takes a Hit.
There has been a lot of speculation regarding the Lions chances of trading down out of the # 2 spot and still getting a very high draft choice. Those chances may be severely diminished with the news that Seattle traded for a QB prospect.
Seahawks acquire QB Charlie Whitehurst from Chargers for 2011 3rd-rounder and the swap of 2010 2nd-rounders
LINK: http://www.walterfootball.com/freeagents2010recap.php
Seattle signed him to a two year $10M contract. I don't recall much about this guy but he was chosen in 2006 with the # 81 pick. Seattle is moving back twenty spots this year [# 40 to # 60] and giving up a potential mid third round or lower pick in 2011. It seems like Seattle is hedging its bets regarding the drafting of one of the top two guys this year. And without Seattle in the mix, there is almost no pressure on Washington to move up if they were interested in a QB and were afraid someone would snatch him at # 2.
I never thought the chances were very good that we would be able to trade out of the # 2 spot and in my opinion they are almost zero now. We will see.
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Charlie Whitehurst
Has never taken a regulation snap. Last time he was in a game that was not a exhibition game was 2005 with Clemson. Seattle has lost their mind, the guy was a third stringer for the past 4 years. Kansas City got Vrabel, and Cassell for a 2nd rounder last year.
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
there was more than on team thst wanted him
they must see something in him.
How do you keep a running back out of your secondary? You put up a LEVY.
by The Profiler on Mar 18, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree LL but........
they are paying him $5 Million a year and giving up twenty spots in the second round and their third round pick in 2011 for this guy? It seems very strange. The Seahawks must see something in this guy.
I don’t think it eliminates the potential for them to draft Bradford or Clausen, and I still think they would if either fell to them, but it certainly lowers the chances of them trading up IMO.
This is a great trade for the Chargers. They don’t have to take Cody in the first round now, but can wait until the second round and get him at # 40, or take Cam Thomas there if they prefer or have no choice.
Same kind of money as Delhomme
So I don’t think it takes them out of contention….just gives them a hedged bet.
Heck, We went and got Corey Williams and are flirting with Hargrove and I don’t believe for a second that will preclude us from drafting Suh or McCoy if we want to.
Whitehurst is still being ‘purchased’ as roughly a third round pick which is not the same as drafting a top guy when the opportunity exists.
Not saying they will definitely trade up but I don’t think this move does anything other than give them a safety net if they do not move up for whatever reason.
by HoorayForEverything on Mar 18, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions
I tend to agree HFE. The Hawks will be able to bargain a little more conservatively.
Forget about them giving up two first rounders, and it also lowers the value of the second rounder that they have to offer [#60 now]. The Seahawks have no third round pick this year so that is out too.
Would you want to trade the # 2 pick for their # 6 and the # 60 picks? With the fourth round [#101] a possibility? That trade is not that attractive to me. The # 40 pick made that trade fair value in my mind. Now………I don’t think so. They might offer something from 2011 [a second round too?] but I think that knocks them out. And with Seattle out, Washington would be more likely to stand pat as they may not believe anyone else will move up or the Lions may not take anything that will be offered. Who knows? We are all just speculating anyway.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 18, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't think anyone is ever 'knocked out'
If Seattle wants Bradford or Clausen specifically, then they will determine what they are willing to give up and give it a shot. Seattle and Cleveland are both potentially in play (reasonably) for a move up to get a specific QB.
The problem with saying “more or less likely” or putting odds on it, is that we have no idea which QB, if either, they covet in the first place, and until St Louis gets an early first pick contract done before the draft begins(let’s cross our fingers that trend continues) we don’t know what team they would trade up to.
by HoorayForEverything on Mar 18, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Question is, who would we take there? Maybe Berry, doubtful Okung, Spiller? hmmmm
Just livin' the dream...
imo
There is no DE in this draft worthy of the 7th pick. Carlos Dunlap and JPP will be busts. Derrick Morgan probqably won’t start (not good enough to beat out a vet yet) depending on the team. If you take a guy that high, he has to start with the financial obligation. That’s why the NFL needs a rookie cap. I honestly believe the main driving force behind the Leos wanting to trade is because they don’t want to pay #2 money and that’s a shame. We have to endure a 2-14 season, then we can’t even get the guy we want. Berry , Okung won’t be there and Bulaga may be gone too. Which is why I don’t want to trade with Cleveland. Its 6 or higher…
by TheOriginalVoice on Mar 18, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The chances
of anyone trading down into the #2 spot was already almost zero. No one wants to draft that high and have to pay an unproven rookie the kind of money that pick demands. The only way we trade down is if the rams pass on bradford for some reason. Then we would have all sorts of GM’s begging Mayhew for that pick.
by D-Town Dope Boy on Mar 18, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
I don't agree DTDB. What makes Bradford much more valuable than Clausen?
Those GMs are in the same predicament as before. Who wants to pay a guy who is coming off shoulder surgery and barely played last year, # 2 QB money? Hardly anyone wanted to give Brees anywhere near that when he was an FA and he was a proven Pro Bowl QB.
Same deal. We are most likely “stuck” with the # 2 pick [remember how we were rejoicing about that a few months ago?] and need to make a decision between Suh and Okung IMO.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 18, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
If Bradford and Clausen are available at 2
Then teams that covet either are in play for the trade. If only Clausen is in play, then only teams that covet him are in play.
QB is too specific and important to simply rank numerically and take BPA that high. You either love the guy or you don’t….in my opinion.
But again, we have no idea who covets whom or how much at this point.
by HoorayForEverything on Mar 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
40 pick
I think that 40 pick would have been key in a trade up for Seahawks to land the 2 pick. I don’t think this changes much with Browns, Bills and Redskins all in the running. IMO Browns have the best shot with all the picks they’ve stock piled. Lions are in a great spot they either get a great deal or they keep it and get a great player. It’s a win win
Value
I think that if they wanted to move up, we would consider both of their first round picks and a trade at 2nd round.
by Lions-fan-SLC on Mar 18, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry WAREDAWG I don't see this trade with Cleveland being to our benefit.
Trading down to # 7 is a risk. At the absolute best we could have either McCoy or Berry to choose from. More likely, we will have one of them available. The worst case is that both are gone and we have a choice between Haden, D. Morgan, and Bulaga. Haden is the best option IMO among them and I am not crazy about him. What else do we get? Cleveland has extra third [two] and fifth [three] round picks which I am sure they will want to give us. I am not crazy about moving down from a pick that can get us a player who could be a foundation for our D Line or O LIne for the next decade to a solid starter [might be a shutdown corner] and a couple of starters or depth players.
My problem with Haden is that I think that a couple of other corners are not that far behind him. Namely Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty. One of them may be available with our # 34 pick [I said maybe].
Forget the Bills. They will not trade up. While Ralph Wilson has been the owner they have only chosen two QBs in the first round [Losman and Kelly]. And they were chosen with a second first round pick after the first had been used on a WR and TE respectively. All their other QB drafts have been in the second or later round. They/he like veteran FAs like Flutie, Bledsoe, Holcomb, etc. not draft picks.
The Redskins will have no reason to move up if no one else is a viable candidate to move up. Even then the Redskins have the best QB of those teams and have a gaping hole at LT. They may likely choose to sit and wait, take an LT and grab a QB in the second round.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 18, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Point
These scenarios (besides the fact that I like to make trades) are to fill holes and add depth.I also thought of Berry and Haden being really good starters. But if they FO think they have a star (they should know I hope and I think they do) then keep the pick don’t move anywhere and lets all enjoy watching a star develope.
By the way
The reason i like trades isn’t just for trades sake to shake things up. I truly believe guys like Houston CB, and say for example KC’s Glenn Dorsey, are talented guys that are in the wrong system or wrong team (meaning they don’t know how to develope there guys)
It’s 1 thing picking a guy with great potential but it doesn’t end there. Farve countless hours spent with Holmgren and Hasselbeck for that matter. I have to wonder for every bust Jamarkus Russell (so far) how many of these guys could have been great with the right team or coaches spending time with them. Steve Young comes to mind. I think there are lots of guys to be had that are in the wrong situation. I guess Seattle feels that way about Whitehurst (I still don’t get that deal though) Red Wings are king at this turning late picks into stars.
+1 for you WARE
Vinnie and the JETS!!!!! He was horrible as a buc, and as soon as he got out of there and became a JET, his career took off so to say. But Steve Young is probably the best analogy you could have used.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I would think that there 2nd would have to be included
for us to take it, unless they give us 2 3rd and 2 5th rounders plus there #7 then maybe
The Chargers
are laughing all the way to the draft.. Whitehurst could not beat Volek for the 2nd string position of the Chargers. LOL… ANY they give up a 3rd 2011 and swap 2nds this year… no way would I have done that… maybe a 4th and held firm…. this effects the Hawks draft…. I commend the Chargers front office to the Mayhew like move
The egg will be on me if Whitehurst performs… they know more than us… we’ll see in time if it was a good move.. if not that high second round pick and the 3rd will weigh of the Seahawks minds… what if?
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
I agree, even if he’s good they couldn’t get a better deal, 3rd string, no games, 28 years old. 2 year deal 10M………. WOW!
+1000
He cant be that good, he was 3rd string…even if he sat the bench because of there current QB, he should have been at least 2nd string if the Chargers were that high on the guy in the first place. I could be wrong but that sounds iffy to me.
if the lions swap picks with sea in 1rd for 6pick and 2rd 4rd pick in this year draft it still is agreat trade for the lions beause it would free them up to pick at 6pick in this draft to pick a ot/de/cb/ss witch the extra 2pick and 4pick in this draft it gives lions a chance to pick up to more starters for defensive in this draft . we all know this class is deep in dt/ss/cbs/fs /lb so you could get 1rd telant in the later rds so if your the lions you still make the trade.
I dunno. The guys around # 60 are a big step down from the guys around # 40.
Look at any of the Mock Drafts [reputable ones] or rating sites and you will see what I mean. The players at # 60 have a lot more question marks and are bigger risks than the ones at the front of the second round. There will be good players, just less that will fit what the Lions want.
I understand the interest in trading down, I just tend to agree with those that are saying that this is just another step on the road to building a great team and that more can be accomplished in the long run by getting foundation type players when you have the chance. Hopefully, as our win total increases, we will not be picking this low next year or the year after.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 18, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey lefty
With the mentality that you are insinuating, I would think that the Lions are 1 or 2 players away from being in the Superbowl, which we are not. We need a shit load of talent yet and if we can get extra players that could come in and play/be excellent depth then we should be all over a trade like that. We would still get at least 2-3 starters if not more.take Holmgrem to the cleaners if we can. Pull a Jimmy Johnson and get enough bodies in here to get some quality depth, and you never know what your going to get if we pick the right players. i.e. Zack Thomas.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Sounds like you want to pick up a bunch of averag guys or roll the dice on a bunch of high risk prospects.
I am saying get the superstars when we have the chance and then build around them with role players who you can get in the later rounds or as cheap FAs. Too many times I have seen how a great player can make everyone around him better. Imagine what Suh can do for Sammie Lee or Avril and the LBs. Or what Okung can do for the whole O Line and Staff. Or even Berry back there with Delmas shutting down the long bombs and moving up to support the run.
I think one of them will have more of an impact than two solid starters.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 18, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a tough call either way bro!
That could be as much debated as the hole Kong Okung;Berry issue all by it’s self.
How many lumps you want Doc?
makes me love Mayhew that much more
I thought about this more, and the Seahawks gave up a third-rounder and swapped their second-rounder for a QB that, IMO, is worse then Shaun Hill, the guy we only gave up a 7th rounder for.
You can’t convince me that Mayhew isn’t a goddamn genius.
I still think there is a chance..
I do believe that are chances are hindered but at the same token I could easily see the Bills and or the Browns moving up. There is a slight chance that the Skins could hop up if they think one of these two teams are going to hop them. Mostly I really think the decisons that the Rams make and who they take will greatly effect what a team looks like for years to come.
mock with browns trade.
1. Bradford
2. Clausen
3. Mccoy (Tampa Bay like him more than Suh…that’s why they’ll be at the top of the draft next year)
4. Suh
5. Okung (This pick will be a tackle)
6. Berry or Bulaga
After looking into this more, I’m ok with this. We’l have either Berry or Bulaga. I prefer Bulaga because safeties don’t win games. And Stafford needs protection. Bulaga is an NFL LT, he’s a better technical blocker in the pass game than Okung, but doesn’t have Okungs brut strength. His ceiling is low, but he can play. If we get Berry, we must get a good d lineman in thhe 2nd round.
by TheOriginalVoice on Mar 18, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
LOL
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-03-18-sw-eric-berry_N.htm
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
While I don't think this move eliminates the trade down
I definitely think its less likely.
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
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See NL? We actually agree on something!
I never thought the chances were very good that we would be able to trade out of the # 2 spot and in my opinion they are almost zero now. We will see.
I’ve thought that all along. The deal never quite seemed there to be made. The team (Seattle, torn between taking a QB, LT, or DT) with the most to offer us now has even less incentive to trade up than before. Sometimes the desire by the lower team to move up and the offer doesn’t match the desire by the higher team to pass up (or risk passing up) certain players and move down. Sometimes the deal just isn’t there to be made. That’s why I’ve stayed with my prediction that the Lions stay at #2. The player they want is a significant risk to be taken #5 by KC, and TB and WAS don’t have enough incentive or enough to offer to get us to move down. It looks like we’re staying at #2.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Hey, we agree on this too!
I am saying get the superstars when we have the chance and then build around them with role players who you can get in the later rounds or as cheap FAs. Too many times I have seen how a great player can make everyone around him better.
Sounds good to me.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/353478-eric-berry-could-be-the-best-player-in-the-draft
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Its good to agree!
Of course you are pretty single minded about who that refers to, while I see it referring to Suh, McCoy, and Okung more than Berry. But I have never denied that Berry is a great talent and would significantly upgrade our secondary.

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