Pacman Jones' Workout Reportedly Goes Well
by Sean Yuille on Mar 20, 2010 4:13 PM EDT
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Pacman Jones worked out for five NFL teams at Hahnville High School down in Louisiana on Friday. Jones' workout was originally scheduled to be at Tulane following the school's pro day, but not wanting attention to be taken away from its players, Tulane apparently objected to that, forcing the workout's location to change to a local high school. That was why there was confusion over his workout and if it was actually going to happen, but it did and went well, according to Jones' agent and trainer.
Jones' agent, Ray Savage, said his client clocked in at 4.42 and 4.48 seconds in the 40-yard dash on FieldTurf. Jones ran a 4.47-second 40-yard dash at the 2005 NFL Scouting Combine.
"He looked great," Rousse said. "They just wanted to see his footwork and the defensive back drills."
"It went great, great, they loved him," Rousse said.
Assuming Jones' workout went as well as his agent and trainer made it sound, the question that NFL teams will really have to ask is if it's worth it to take a risk on signing a player with such questionable character. Teams that have no shortage of talent might very well say no, but what about a team like the Lions? I've previously said that if Jones does well at his workout that I wouldn't be against the Lions signing him as long as they apply a zero tolerance policy to him. Who knows if Jones will ever be able to stay out of trouble, but for a modest contract and a one-strike policy, why not bring him in and add some talent to the defensive backfield?
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Take a chance go sign him
Like Sean said a 1 strike zero tolerance in his contract, no DUI, no under investagtions with police, if he’s even seen in public after 12:00am is strike to me. 2 years 3 million all incentive if he get’s in trouble he get’s nothing.
well a fart
IS just a turd honking to pass….
by DR GRUBE on Mar 20, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
If they could get him in anywhere near the form he was a few years ago with Tennessee, they’d be stupid not to try……….
Intriguing
I am intrigued with our interest in Pacman. My gut tells me that he will continue with his old habits but my heart wants to think otherwise. I agree, we should give him a zero-tolerance attitude combined with an incentive-laden contract and put the ball back into his court. It’s a win-win situation for us. Pull-the-trigger!!!!!
ya, lets do it
We got nothing to lose. Besides, I haven’t heard of him doing anything stupid this season, so thats a plus side
The beginning of the end of the misery
I'm a Dallas fan
and I’ll tell you Pacman is awesome. I wish Dallas had kept him.
Here’s a Q&A with Football Outsiders.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/five-downs-with-football-outsiders-is-ro.html
Q: "Adam “Pacman” Jones arrived here with a lot of talk about his Pro Bowl potential. How close was he to being an elite cornerback for the Titans?
A: He wasn’t close. He already was one. Jones often lined up in man coverage, and absolutely shut down opposing wideouts in 2006. His success rate was 63% — that was second-best amongst all corners, and the 5.4 yards he gave up per pass were the best in the league. It’s impossible to say what he’ll be this year because of the year off, his obviously bizarre mental state, and the time it may take to adjust to a new system, but when his mind is right, Adam Jones is on the shortlist of best cornerbacks in football."
BTW, why do you want or care about a double-standard (e.g. zero tolerance, not out after midnight) for Adam Jones? Isn’t it sufficient if he’s held to the same standard of the rest of the NFL?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 20, 2010 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
with no pick in the draft to be used if he is good
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
tried that before
with his previous 2 teams and we saw how well that worked out….he needs to be put on a tighter leash and must EARN his right to be held to the same standards as the rest of the nfl, IMO. playing in the nfl is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT.
That’s not quite accurate.
It worked ok Dallas except that the NFL suspended Jones for an incident with his own bodyguard where no charges were filed and no arrest was made. I’ve never heard of another NFL player being suspended under those circumstances and frankly thought that Goodell treated Dallas and Jones unfairly with that suspension.
p.s. i’m not going to defend Jones. If you haven’t looked at his record and background though you might want to look for yourself rather than taking the media narative which tends to be sensationalized.
nullius in verba
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 20, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not on board
I think when you’re rebuilding a team, you focus on guys who are of good character and can boost morale. I see Pacman doing neither of those. I could be wrong, but he’s done nothing in the past to make me think otherwise.
GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!
I agree
If they sign Pacman, I’m going to have a hard time being excited about him and rooting for him individually. I love so many of the guys we have on our team, I think we’re really putting a good locker room together – but I don’t think Pacman would fit. I trust Schwartz though, he’s got a history with him and if he feels like he can contain him then I guess I will have faith in him and hope it works out for the best – at the end of the day, results are all that matter. But I guarantee I won’t be adding a Pacman jersey to my collection :)
by Angry Johnny on Mar 21, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Get him
take a chance maybe the guy has learned… make the contract payable by games and incentive based no upfront $$$ … make hime earn it…
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
The guy screwed up a bit and got caught....
If Pac still has it and by the sound of it he does the brass will move accordingly. The Media is highly judgemental compared to companies that want to win at all cost. I hope the Lions get a shot at him. He would upgrade a roster with big holes to fill. If he screws up deal with it then. Mark, Trey and Adam don’t sign the checks, they get payed to stir the pot. Schwartz needs talent on the field, I have faith he can control his locker room. They’re all saints until they get shot by a mistress or slap up a stripper right? Or are those the guys that hit the head lines. Lots of good guys and lots of bad guys with lots of money. Wins run the NFL not the Pope…well maybe a bad example but you get the jist. GO LIONS!
As long as they keep a short leash on him
If Schwartz thinks its a good idea then I’m all for it.
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Step right up….;o)
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Like I said the other day, any one know how to infect these spamers with a virus ?
What they are doing is nothing short of harassment
Especially since they have been asked to stop multiple times…
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Extra consideration w/ Pacman
I just started reading this blog (came over from BYB for the Tigers) so forgive me if this has been mentioned before.
I think one major positive factor in Pacman going to the Lions is the presence of not a former NFL coach, but of his college coach in AA, ol’ RichRod (and the associated workout trainer God Mike Barwis). If Pacman signs with the Lions, he has that built in close knit network just a few miles away and for whatever reason, Pacman really looks up to the old WVa coaching group. With all that said, we can definitely say that if he can’t succeed in that environment with the Lions, he can’t ever succeed.
That's a great point
I don’t necessarily know if I’d want Pacman hanging around Ann Arbor and the Michigan football program, but it probably can’t hurt to have Rodriguez and Barwis nearby for him.
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That is if rich fraud is still in michigan
I am just playing a little devils adovcate here. There is rumors that if rodrigez dosen’t get his team going this year he may be replaced. I wouldn’t use that as a reason to consider signing him. It might be somewhat of a bonus but like I said. I’d rather he got together with Tony Dungy to get some real help in making decisions.
How do you keep a running back out of your secondary? You put up a LEVY.
by The Profiler on Mar 21, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
they sign this loser
It better be one strike-vetran minimum
How do you keep a running back out of your secondary? You put up a LEVY.
Sign the dude up!
First off let me say, talent wise he is the real deal. Schwartz knows exactly what he is getting into here and if he is interested then so should we. Secondly the issues from his past deal with Alcoholism and a bad social network. His “entourage” has been as bad for him, maybe worse, than Vick’s was. I think maybe Michael Vick should reach out to help this guy no matter who he signs with. My last point is that some people have been unduly harsh with him. A lot of the Vegas incident is alleged and he was not convicted of things that people claim he did. As for the CFL they got their feelings all hurt when in a press conference he called them the “United Football League”. The CFL incident is a joke and should not be held against him at all. Most of the Vegas stuff seems to center around people trying to cash in, literally, on something he didn’t even do. Lawsuits came at him and the NFL because someone in his entourage “allegedly” shot into a crowd and paralyzed some former wrestler. Totally stupid. Just because he is famous and has some cash he is supposed to pay for some dumb ass friend pulling a trigger? And WTF did the NFL have to do with it? It is a clear case of another sue happy, money grubbing, gold digging, bitch ass, with utterly no integrity going after any penny they think they can get because our criminal justice system is so messed up that they might actually get it.
I'd have no problem with it
If like vick maybe Tony Dungy reached out to him. He seem to be the voice of reason Vick needed in his return.
How do you keep a running back out of your secondary? You put up a LEVY.
by The Profiler on Mar 21, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Sign him
You play to win the game.
There’s a lot that I would change if I could. I can’t. And, neither can the Detroit Lions. I wish that the NFL would hold a MUCH stricter line with players they allow into the league. I wish that young athletes suddenly hit with more money and fame than they ever dreamed of would have a firm and definite code of conduct to abide by.
They don’t.
This will not change if the Lions decide not to extend an offer to Pacman. So, the only question is whether the acquisition will help the team win.
You play to win the game.
Don't sign him
Distractions are not what a young team needs.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Tough call.
Impressionable young talent vs. a need he could potentially fill. I think ultimately you pass- because of the rookies & sophomores. His workout suggests that he may still able to play, but I think the risk is just too great, and it reflects poorly on our 2nd. year coach if Pacman decides to mix shit up.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
Wow! How can we go wrong? His agent and trainer thought he was great!
Sean, how come no review from Pacman’s Mom?
Schwartz has enough on his plate trying to get a young core [who want to play this game] working together without wasting his time with Pacman. Maybe if we had some stronger veteran leadership it would be worth a shot. But not with this young team.
I dont understand the "negative influence" in the locker room sentiment..
Yes we all know about Pacman’s past. But do you really think that he would have a negative effect on the younger players. If Houston or Wade thinks it would be a good idea to “hang out” with Pacman aftrer hours. Then it is on them. If any of them look to Pacman’s career and say " Thats the way to do it." Then it really would not matter if Pacman was here or not.
All I am saying is after all that Adam Jones has done. If he comes to Detroit. He will not have any clout. He will not be a locker room presence. The only thing he could say that would make some of the younger player listen to. Is “ Dont ruin your career like I have.” .
ANd if Mayhew and Schwartz thinks he is redeemable. And he still was something left. Give him a shot. Really whats it going to hurt?
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
JC I think there are some guys who think they are invulnerable.
Look at Pacman and Vick. With all the crap they have pulled they can still get NFL teams to jump up and fly to see him and the media to fall all over themselves reporting it and touting them to boot. Why shouldn’t they feel like they are special and that they will continue to get a pass on anything they do? Because they continually do!
Of course the decision will be up to Mayhew and Schwartz. I am just throwing my two cents in again. But I think they should spend the money and the time on guys who really are focused on playing football and want to get better.
I understand what your saying...
What I am saying, just dont say, dont give him a shot because of his past. If Schwartz sits down Adam. And Jim thinks Adam has matrued, and learned from his mistakes. Than what could it hurt to give him that shot? But if Adam is the same “thug” he has shown he is. Then dont waste your time with him.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Thinking he would be a negative impact on younger players is making a big assumption.
How do you know that Delmas, Sims and Co. would not pull him aside day one and say “look buddy, any shenanigans and were all gonna throw pennies at you real hard, bounce your head off the locker, put vicks vapo rub in your jock, and make you do tackling drills against Follett all day long”.
I guess my point is what is the reward for the risk and investment that is being made?
A lot of people here are saying that we should go ahead and sign him and if it does not work out, no big deal.
I am saying there is a loss; money, time, and effort which could have went into picking up another FA who has none of the baggage that Jones does. You know, a guy who for other reasons has been overlooked and might be worth a gamble too. But we will have missed him because we buy into the hype of a “hardly ever was” like Pacman.
The bottom line is that the guy will only be twenty-seven by the start of the 2010 NFL season and does have some skills [Punt returns, coverage] that the Lions can definitely use. If Schwartz thinks he is worth his time and wants to take this on, and Mayhew can structure a deal that minimizes the risk to Detroit, then fine. Sign him.
can a lepard change his spots???
if u think you can get him to understand this is his last shot then go ahead and sign the talent but if he is gonna be the same old pacman, then be ready for the halestrom that follows this guy , as for me im of the wait and see crowd… but im for anything on that side of the ball so we dont spend huge $ on a DT…
The funny thing about that question
is that, as Lions fans, we spend every single year hoping and praying a leopard can finally change it’s spots.
aint that the truth
How do you keep a running back out of your secondary? You put up a LEVY.
by The Profiler on Mar 21, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Sign him
Do we have another choice? I see three ways this plays out:
1-He screws up and is thrown out of the NFL… again. Ok. So then we are where we are today and one of the guys who should be playing nickle plays corner just like last year. Maybe they have to move on of the draft picks to a starter position before they are ready. Same as if we didn’t sign him.
2-He plays and is blah. Ok, right where we are today. A middling player at corner.
3-He plays and is great. Bonus!
So the worst case scenario is we are right where we are today.
You missed the real worst case scenario
He hits a stripclub with Stafford, Pettigrew, Delmas, Suh, Levy and Calvin, they accidentally kill a stripper, and all get lifetime bans.
Now THAT is the worst case scenario.
LOL
Do you really think those 6 guys would be stupid enough to follow Adam Jones?
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They are not "kids".
You know you cant judge the character of a person by some number on their birth certificate. Just be cause he was a dumb ass in his past don’t mean he has some sort of “hey I’m an idiot” virus that rubs off on other people based on proximity or breathing the same air as others. Personally I happen to know my father was a man at around age 12-14, when he went to work in the coal mines after school to help support his family, that was on top of working on the farm. The young guys on the Lions team have better character than to allow someone who is on their last chance be a role model. These young Lions are much smarter and have been too successful in life and football to turn instantly into an idiot just because someone who was one in the past shows up on the team. Its like saying that because some guy on your H.S football team is taking steroids you will take them too. People need to stop acting like these guys are impressionable young kids that cant think for themselves. We have way too much character in our locker room nowadays for anyone to put up with Pacmans bullshit. If he falls into old habits all that will happen is he will alienate himself from the team and find his contract nullified. It will be hard for Pacman to even make friends on the team since he has a past to overcome, most will make him earn their respect and then some. In fact if teh organization is all that worried about him influencing anyone else on the team all they have to do is put a non fraternization clause in his contract, where he cant socialize or meet with anyone on the team outside of official team events.
Nice point
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by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 22, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
1st rule if he signs no ones aloud to hang out with Pacman
These kids have seen a lot. People like Pacman are in every walk of life. There across the street at the schools these guys that have made it all the way to the top have seen a lot. Some of them more than others. Theres always going to be choices, there’s bad ass’s on every team in the the league ( I can only Imagine some of the things these have gotten up to) I think your either going to be that way or not, and then again theres the guys that do shit and dont get caught. Pacman got out of control and obviously didn’t care about anything when he got messed up. Hopefully Pacman reeled it in (last chance)
does he deserve another chance…….. No…..should they give him 1 Sure (I would we need a CB)….and if he screws up again( the guys/coaches will know by how he looks when he rolls in, there around him every day) then he’s gone and I’am sure he already knows that.
i'm all on board
with signing pacman. the talent and potential are there. it’s only a win situation for us. if something bad happens, we get rid of him. nothing lost.
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by GhostManOnThird on Mar 22, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
Ray Lewis and Joey Porter, enough said.
Both of those guys did similar things as Pacman, and in Porters case it was proven in court. Where is Peezy’s suspension? Where is Ray’s for obstruction of justice?
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