PFT: Lions Agree to Terms with Pacman Jones
by Sean Yuille on Mar 26, 2010 7:49 AM EDT
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PrintPro Football Talk's Mike Florio, by way of NBC's Rick Cordella, is reporting that the Lions have agreed to terms with free agent cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones. The move is expected to be announced next Tuesday in what would certainly be a highly anticipated press conference.
Just earlier this week Martin Mayhew confirmed that the Lions are interested in Jones, and then Jim Schwartz took it a step further by saying that the Lions are "definitely interested" in him. According to Mayhew, the next step in the ongoing evaluation process was a meeting between he and Jones. Whether or not that has happened yet is unknown, but for the terms of a deal to be worked out, you would certainly think a meeting of some sort has taken place.
Based on previous discussion we have had on Pride of Detroit (including a poll), it seems like while some are rightly still concerned about the character issues that have plagued Jones in the past, the vast majority of you would be happy to give Jones another chance and let him join the team. I am definitely on the bandwagon supporting the signing of Jones, because I believe his talent is worth taking the risk on. Obviously there is the possibility of Jones getting into trouble of some sort, but if that does happen then the Lions can simply release him. On the other hand, if nothing happens, the Lions may have found a starting-caliber cornerback and/or returner. To me, character flaws or not, this is a move worth making.
What do you guys think?
UPDATE (8:07 AM): Tom Kowalski is reporting that sources tell him PFT's story is "way off base" and that no agreement has been reached. It does seem odd that this story would go from Martin Mayhew saying that nothing is imminent just days ago to quickly turning around and agreeing to terms with Jones, so I suppose we will have to wait and see what actually happens.
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Adds talent to the team
Mayhew has proved his IQ as a GM, the contract will have a clause if he F’s up he out with nothing, probably will have alot of incentives built in too…
You summed up my thoughts as well Sean..
I feel that he has something left. He will be 27 at the start of the season. Mayhew and Schwartz took their time with this. It is not like they jumped all over him, after his workout. I dont know what Adam said. They made Mayhew and Schwartz want to take a chance him. None of us do. So, when it becames official. I will welcome him, and support him as a new Lion.
Could turn out be to a great move.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
I trust that Mayhew has done his due diligence and Schwartz is on board as well.
I have my reservations, but Pacman’s issues are more about immaturity than anything else. If he can contribute to this team it will be a huge bonus. Punt returner and possible cover corner.
I reluctantly voted yes,
I guess I am fully trusting the Schwartz. But im scared, because if he comes here and bombs, this looks like a desperate move by the FO; and I have more faith in them than that.
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
if it is done
our CB spots are locked… the holes are completely filled at CB.. (we have to worry after the games for Pacman) he has been clean for 2 years… hopefully he will do fine for the Lions… if he is fine he will be a steal with a coach that made him great in TEnn…. our D will become top 15 upon jelling after the draft!!! A STRENGTH… WATCH OUT NFL The Lions may be a name to fear some… i love forward to Cutler, Farve/jACKSON, and Rodgers on the collective backs!!!!
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
Dinordo
Slow down, dude, guarded optomism is the best a Lions fan can do right now. Ever gone home with a dry boner? Everybody has.
Ah I got ya.
Just finally bothered to check on my last post from a month ago. My spelling was off as I quickly typed my post and had to leave.
You nailed me pretty good, not that you even remember.
The Lions are my second favorite team and I just want them to address their O-line early in the draft. Do you see them taking an O-lineman in the first three rounds? I hope so. I only go against them when they play the Vikes and I really get sick of all the Lion fan whining that goes around in the Windsor/Detoit area.
One power slam from Brock and Mir might be dead. He better watch his words. He'll be eating them soon.
I just dont want it to...
change our draft strategy. If a good CB is available in the 2nd round and they have him as the best payer on the board I think we should take him instead of reaching for someone else.
Otherwise I think this will be a solid addition to the team.
One final thing, as much as I like PFT (I used to love it), I am so tired of Florio digging on the Lions every chance he gets:
"But we’ll agree that Jones “has a skill set” that would help the Lions, given that roughly half of the U.S. male population between the ages of 17 and 34 “has a skill set” that would help the Lions."
Har har har…good one Flo. How about just reporting the news?
Yeah Florio is a douche every chance he gets with the Lions
And in this case it appears his source was wrong as well.
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Florio
will eat his words as the Lions get better and better… as many in the media will see
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
No he won't
he will just move on to kicking the next down team. He doesn’t hate the Lions, he is just lazy and it is easy to kick the down team.
I agree Tony.....about drafting a CB.
I would also like to see a Safety picked up in the third or fourth rounds.
CBs at # 34 – McCourty, Ghee, K. Jackson at # 66 – A. Spievey, A. Owusa-Ansah, P. Robinson
Safeties at # 66 – R. Jones, D. Stuckey, M. Burnette [doubtful] # 100 – M. Wright or TJ Ward [maybe later].
If nothing else, it creates more buzz about the Lions.
Those crazy Lions, from 0 and 16 to the talk of the town. What’s up next ? Always an adventure when you log on to THE P.O.D. !
national news on the Lions .. unheard of
upon Pacmans confirmation a drafted safety next to Delma would be INCREDIBLE…. guys this defense truly went from crappy to respectable in one offseson on paper…. special teams are looking great too!!! do you guys realise these improvements.. then the draft… I’m trying not to get to ahead of myself but the team looks good!!!
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
I voted yes, but...
When a person messes up like Pacman, it isn’t enough just to "hide and stay out of trouble" for a couple of years and expect major changes. A person must take proactive steps, such as counseling, to enable change in his life. There hasn’t been much in the press about what he has DONE to change; just that he has stayed out of trouble. I trust that Mayhew and company take a hard look at him as a whole before pulling the trigger.
Lions fan down in LA (lower Alabama)
The Press
Remember the Press is in the business to make a profit. To do that, they have to sell papers, get hits on their web sites, etc. Good news about anything is not as profitable about bad news. So it does not surprise me that there has not been much in the news about what he has done to change (boring news).
Like you I trust that the FO has done their homework on Pacman, and if they in fact sign him it will be low cost.
yes
for the fact he fucks up hes gone u gotta believe mayham would have that inplace and if he stays good and performs well win win for lions
Adam Jones
I have no problem signing him the Lions certainly could use his abilities, however first time he messes up like his history shows cut him !
Christ
He’s signed….he’s not signed…he’s signed…he’s not signed…
What are we doing, playing with a damn daisy? GIT R DONE!!
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We should have a provision that he stays out of clubs
If memory serves, most of Adam’s troubles came when he was at nightclubs or strip clubs. I don’t think you need counseling for that; just stay out of the clubs. Problem solved.
Another change he could make to turn the page to a new chapter in his life: KILL the Pacman nickname. He just needs to be Adam Jones—-extraordinary athlete and good football player.
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
During Hard Knocks
When he was with the Cowboys; he tried to drop it, but it didnt stick.
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
by Leapin Lion on Mar 26, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
hes not signed they agree'd to sign im sure
there probly working out terms if this is true. this is a missing piece of the lions puzzle i hope it works out, this leaves the 0-line a rb and possibly a dt at the must draft option much better than having to pick people high right away at db i would feel better about picking whoever in the draft now instead of having to trade down.
lol
someone would of signed him, his past dont mean anything besides that he could relapse and basicly anyone could relapse no matter if they mad a total comeback or not so you cant blame anyone if he does. for one its a 2nd chance and two he hasn’t been in trouble the past 2 years i think was said
Where Pacman Will Help The Most....
…..Will be in the kick return game…We finally have a guy thats done it at the professional level….he will also help as a Nickel back as well.
by BennieBladesFan on Mar 26, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
As a lifelong Lions fan who lives in Tennessee now...
I can tell you this would be a terrible pickup for the Lions. Absolutely terrible.
If the thinking is, “if he screws up, just cut him”, then the Lions will have wasted time and effort on someone else who can better fit within the organization.
More fun than a stick to the face!
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Hey....
….everyone screws up and we all make mistakes……Give him a shot…… doesnt hurt.
by BennieBladesFan on Mar 26, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
And this is what bugs me
He has had his second chance, everything taken from him; out of football for a year. And how did he respond? Thats why I have no faith in him. Hopefully Scwartz can handle him, our only chance he succeeds.
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
by Leapin Lion on Mar 26, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
why does he need to respond to you? and he was out for a year and a half. he did the right thing shut his mouth stayed out of trouble
Why does he?
Because what is professional sports with out the fans? Nothing. Thats why they have ESPNEWS, Blogs, Sportscenter. Because of the Fans, why was he cut? He was talented enough to play in the NFL; know why? Because the Titans could not keep him on the roster, the fans would not stand for it. Yeah he was suspended, blah blah blah. But the PR would have killed them.
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
Shut up Tom! The deal is officially done.
UPDATE: Swiftly responding to this report, Tom Kowalski of Mlive.com says that a deal has not yet been reached between the Lions and Jones. Presumably, Kowalski is getting his information from the Lions; the folks close to Jones think a deal is done. (And, of course, that could be another reason for the Lions to run the other way.) Tom will believe anything he is told by the Lions. He needs to work more on his stories, instead of listening only to one side of the story. The deal has definitely been done. Whether or not he makes the team after the cuts are made next year remains to be seen. Not sure he can cover anyone any more, but I would love to see him returning kicks.
He'll be here, watch early next week.
Clear upgrade over what we have now, won’t be expensive, and will be held to a strict code of guidelines or else he loses any future earnings, and most likely any career in the league.
Let’s see what he does for one season.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
freepress says it well
hes a huge find if he can still perform well. we wont have to trade for a vet cb or draft one extremely high or trade a pick for one which leaves a higher spot to draft a rb at or dt or lt and he would give use a couple years to draft a good cb and mold him into a pro cb. worst that can happen? (he gets cut if any legal things happen and hes on his way out of lions team for good and the nfl) and well he hasn’t been in trouble for 2 years that shows something.
btw
pacman’s recent 40 times one of them were faster than his college/draft times so dont think he cant cover anyone for no reason lions watched him workout with 4 other teams you think they’d want a risky player if he can’t cover? think before you post man
It's about more than a 40 time Al Davis ahem, Dan Dman
Even the Schwartz says so. Quote from http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2010/03/lions_jim_schwartz_wont_close.html
“He’s not going to look bad in a workout. He’s a real good athlete,‘’ Schwartz said. "There’s more to it than that. You’re not signing that guy just off his workout. There’s more that needs to be done. If we cross that bridge, that will be an organizational decision.
Last month in a workout with the Bengals he was out of shape, just a month ago. When he was on Pro’s VS. Joe’s he got burnt, and had a hard time keeping up with regular people. Not preofessional athletes. Think before you post “man”.
I’m initially against this signing, but I do trust Schwartz. I will be shocked if he is on the final roster.
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
meh
I think they should sign him, but I don’t think it’s going to substantially improve the team in any way. This is going to be completely over covered and over discussed, and my guess is that he gets one interception the whole year and plays largely in nickel situations.
I think there’s no way he’s a starting CB in this league anymore, but I’d be happy to be proven wrong. I suppose his connection with Schwartz should mean something, right?
I'm a Dallas fan. I posted this on another thread, I'll post it here again
Football Outsider analysis prior to the 2008 season
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/five-downs-with-football-outsiders-is-ro.html
2. Adam “Pacman” Jones arrived here with a lot of talk about his Pro Bowl potential. How close was he to being an elite cornerback for the Titans?
He wasn’t close. He already was one. Jones often lined up in man coverage, and absolutely shut down opposing wideouts in 2006. His success rate was 63% — that was second-best amongst all corners, and the 5.4 yards he gave up per pass were the best in the league. It’s impossible to say what he’ll be this year because of the year off, his obviously bizarre mental state, and the time it may take to adjust to a new system, but when his mind is right, Adam Jones is on the shortlist of best cornerbacks in football.
Those metrics went down during the 2008 season. His success rate went down from 63% to 44% and his YPA went up from 5.4 to 6.2. However, a 44% success rate and 6.2 YPA is still an above average NFL corner, and that’s for a guy who was off for a year and was playing a new scheme.
Give him the benefit of the doubt. You might be pleasantly suprised.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 26, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Tell me Fan in Thick and Thin…could Pacman’s lack of success in Dallas be due to the defensive scheme there not quite fitting his skill set? Do the Boys run mainly a man to man cover defense, or do they run more zones and zone blitz packages?
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Phillip mixes it up
He preferres man-to-man but will also mix in zones. However, in 2008 Terrence Newman was injured for a handful of games. And Wade tends to play more zone when he doesn’t have confidence in his corners so it’s entirely possible they were playing more zone while Newman was out. However, I haven’t seen an article that address the man-to-man / zone split, so the only way to really know would be to watch all the games and grade that tapes, which is beyond my abilities.
BTW, I wouldn’t characterize his performance as a ‘lack of success’. He produced a quality performance. He just wasn’t one of the top 5 corners in the league like he was in 2006.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 27, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
I figured as much, but it is nice to have the perspective of a fan of Jones’ former team. I think he could do very well in Detroit, and in my opinion it is a definite that he would be an upgrade over anyone we had last year.
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Dallas fan
thanks for the insight.
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
Agree
It would be very difficult after not playing for a year to come back and playat such a high level, even with training camp, preseason and the like. I’ll gladly eat my words, but I don’t think you can take as much time as he has taken off (whether he wanted to or not) and expect to be as good as he was.
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I'm about to post an update on all of this
As far as I can tell, PFT’s info was way off, as Tom said. Pacman’s agent even said nothing is imminent, and PFT has officially gone into spin mode. Time to rip Florio a new one.
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screw florio...
i still think it will get done…
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by DrewMoney$$$ on Mar 26, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
wow!
over 1100 responded to this poll! that’s crazy.
i think its a good move. mayhew is a smart guy and i know he has researched it and i trust his judgment.
our defense (at least on paper) has done a complete 180 from last year and i feel we are now a force to be recokned with. true, we still need some more pieces of the puzzle, but we are WELL on our way towards redemption.
Good job FO!
Go Lions!!!!
The Lions can simply release him, worth taking the risk on
Not sure if any of you hang out in the D, but remember pacman will be a part of the community- Don’t get all drunked up and think you’re going to make a friend at bouzouki’s. If you have a hot ass daughter, sister or girlfriend pray he doesn’t take an interest. Yes he has shown some ability to reform, now instead of roughing women up, he tries to be nonphysical. Tossing a drink ,maybe sending some sloppy saliva their way and then simply turns the the other cheek. In Vegas he learned to drive off and let his boys do the shooting and this was particularly difficult in ATL because of all the excitement and adrenalin of poppin a cap and watching that guy who mean mugged you wince and wither. – Adam Jones does not handle negative situations well, is Detroit the best place for him?
While nothing has happened yet, I'd reluctantly go along with this
I trust Schwartz and Mayhew, so if they think Pacman can play well and stay out of trouble, then I’ll support him. We know he has talent, its just a matter of how focused he can stay on the game.
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
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Pac Man:
“He (the judge) said he ain’t want me in the scrip clup and i was like well i ain’t think there’s nothin wrong with the scrip club. it ain’t no sin to go to the scrip club. you know, i was just bein rebellion. it was a bad decision, period point blank. one of the dumb decisions i ever made.”
http://www.jungledrops.com/drops/Pac%20Man%20Jones%20-%20Script%20Club.mp3
this remarkable quote aside, i voted yes… we need talent, dude can play
by stumpy8100 on Mar 27, 2010 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for the transcript
or transtript, according to Pacman
"I didn’t even know Elvis was from Memphis, I thought he was from Tennessee." — Drew Gooden.
Pacman is a good guy, he's just black
People associated with the club were quick to defend him. Monya Perez said her father owns the club and her husband was actually the bartender serving Pac-man’s crew. She said they didn’t cause any problems. She believed Pac-man was locked up because he’s black.
“We’ll arrest anybody, any color if they’re down here drunk acting a fool,” Lieutenant Alvin Baird of the Murfeesboro Police Department said.
What harm can he do?
It’s not like we were vying for the playoffs or he’s gonna mess up team chemistry. Or weaken the secondary. I give Mayhew props for at least trying…. staring at a 2-30 record in two years you can only go up… Now when they trade up late in the 1st round to get Kyle Wilson their CB positions will be set….wishfull thinking???
Cromartie trade
This is the same amateur crap he pulled with San Diego. This is why we are stuck with Houston instead of Cromartie. What some of you call shrewd is the same reason the Lions won’t be making many more deals that benefit us while Mayhew is still in office. This is juvenile, high school like GM tactics, not those of a professional adult with integrity, capable of running a team.
Yeah man, Mayhew is really screwing the pooch
Getting three starters in a shitty free agent class and drafting a handful of starters last year. Guy should probably just resign now. And high school like GM? your high school had a GM?
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