Where are our weak links at?
Obviously the Detroit Lions have improved in the offseason. More than any other Lions offseason in a LONG while. I strongly feel this way and I am damn excited to see our first regular season game this season (even without the draft)
Stafford is getting healthy and will be more versed in the offense, with the same staff for the second year. Our backup QB, thanks to acquiring S. Hill for San Fran, is now settled. Stanton can be our 3rd stringer.
Defensively and offensively we all know what has been improved. There are clearly less areas to address now, thanks to some great offseason moves by the Lions front office.
In my opinion LG, S, RB, LB, CB (pending Adam Jones confirmation) are our weak spots. Are we that close to having a pretty solid team?
I have to be missing some areas. Pending no trade movement , seven positions will be addressed in the 2010 draft. What are the Lions weak spots now? If the Lions get Hargrove, Jones and Pitts, are they only a LB, RB and S away from really causing a stir in the NFC North?
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I mistakenly omitted DT…. Suh or McCoy will fill that hole
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
I would consider DT a weakness at this point
of the off-season. I see it as a strength now, and potentially one of the best if Suh is added in April.
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I agree 100%
Suh will be a game changer
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No hole
Already filled by Corey Williams and Sammie Lee Hill.
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Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
I really think people have entirely too much faith
in Sammie Lee Hill. He looked very nice considering his small school status, but certainly not good enough to consider DT a strength while he’s a starter.
agreed
way too quiet in the interior last year. we very seldom got inside pressure on the QB. IMO, inside pressure is essential to good pass rush. inside disruption is essential to stopping the run.
Players make the most improvement from their 1st and second years in the league
And SLH already made a huge improvement DURING his rookie year. Maybe some people don’t have enough faith in Sammie Lee Hill, or enough patience. He deserves the same consideration we gave to Stafford, Delmas, Pettigrew, and Levy.
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Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
I see WR, CB, RB, and LB as main holes.
With the addition of Jones (PacMan) I still doent see CB it as a strength. He was mediocre in Dallas, and needs to prove he still has the skill. CB and Safety holes contribute to still one of the worst secondaries in the NFL.
Burlesson, was a nice addition but he is injury prone and B. Johnson was good in spurts but couldnt hold onto the ball. D. Williams? Nope, and CJ needs to stay healthy.
We have Sims (coming off of a injury filled season) Levy (sleeper stud) and Peterson. Who else? There is no depth at the LB spot.
RB. Smith, Morris, Brown. Smith major injury, Morris getting older, and Brown needs to make big gains in the mental department.
Oline if healthy isnt as bad as it looks. But Peterson needs to get healthy. They will add to this group and I think it will be solid next year.
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LB Depth
The Lions picked up Landon Johnson, also if I recall correctly Follett actually played LB and didn’t look completely lost. And we also have Jordon Dizon (not a starter, but there are worse back-ups in the NFL).
by Mister Gloom on Mar 26, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The only places we DON'T have holes
are at the QB, TE, and WR positions…
Obviously we are set with Staff, Hill, and Stanton
With Pettigrew and Heller as our receiving and blocking TE’s, we have two solid contributors there
We just signed Burleson, we have Johnson and Johnson, and several other serviceable receivers to play #3 or #4
So if we could solidify our offensive line, and grab a young back to pair with Kevin Smith, our offense would be fine, in my opinion. Our defense is the main concern (as per usual).
We NEED another ‘every down’ DE. We’ve got some rotational guys, and a proven starter in VandenBosch, but I’m not sure that the DE by committee deal is going to work.
DT, we’ve got some pieces in place, with Williams and Hill, along with some OK depth guys, but we could use a ‘game changer’ to disrupt in the middle. I’d say we’re better in the middle of the defensive line than the outside.
Our LB’s are nothing to really fear… Sims has been middling his whole career, and it’s looking more and more like he might just be stuck in the wrong scheme. Levy is unproven, so everyone is crossing their fingers that the front office’s faith in him is founded. Peterson is a proven, aging LB who we’re hoping can produce at or near a level he once did. I think we need a LOT of work in this area, and I’m as concerned about it as I am our secondary.
Speaking of which, even IF we DID sign Adam Jones, that doesn’t make our secondary anywhere near legitimate, even now. I once advocated drafting Kyle Wilson in the top 10 if we traded down, and I meant it. Aside from Louis Delmas, our secondary is still devoid of playmakers. We’ve traded for or picked up several #2, nickel, even depth CB’s, but no one we’ve gotten is really ready to take the reigns. I wouldn’t be upset in any way if we ended up picking Berry at #2 and Wilson or another starting caliber CB at #34. I think Berry gets the onus, due to the fact that he’s probably a better corner with his safety skills than most or all of those CB’s. This is our biggest weakness by far, and it matches up TERRIBLY with our ridiculously pass-happy division.
Just my two cents.
Nate D
you see the WR as a strength? I disagree, it was horrible last year and I just dont see the addition of Burlesson making it that much better.
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I just said I don't consider us to have a 'hole' there
We have one of the best young playmakers in the NFL in Calvin Johnson, two serviceable #2 recievers in Nate Burleson and Bryant Johnson, the loser of a positional battle can handle #3 duties, and several decent depth guys who fit the #4 WR profile.
I’m not upset at all with the WR depth looking as such:
#1: Calvin
#2: Burleson
#3: Bryant
#4: Derrick Williams
I don’t know how much better you want, aside from a Larry Fitzgerald/Anquan Boldin situation, but I think that Stafford has quite a few options to throw to. Not too shabby.
Im with you Nate
those 4 options are quality. and it doesn’t even factor in the TE’s that we have that can line up agains’t a linebacker in a 5 wide or 4 wide set.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 26, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Different shades of 'weak'
Technically, unless there is no reasonable way to improve a particular position, it could be called a weak spot. With that criteria, everything other than QB, WR1, and S1 are weaknesses.
I think weakness should be defined on the other spectrum. I think last season, we demonstrated that CB and LG were our 2 biggest weaknesses. I don’t think there is anything subjective about it either, since those 2 positions were revolving doors every Sunday and it was not due to injury or “normal rotation”.
We can throw out opinions on weaknesses, but I am comfortable stating that LG and CB are flat out and totally objectively “weaknesses” and I am the type of person who needs a really strong argument before I let something go from ‘opinion’ to ‘fact’.
by HoorayForEverything on Mar 26, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
I agree with those above who are having trouble separating our weaknesses from our strengths. LOL
Weakest – Guards. Our two best ones are returning from the IR. The rest stink.
Weakest – CBs. Last year we picked up Buchanon, Henry, and King in the offseason and thought we had improved. WRONG. I don’t see that our new additions are much different.
Every other area needs still more improvement. Lets fill a few more holes this year and hopefully the 2011 off season will see the Lions will see us actually building some strength and depth.
If we pick Suh or McCoy, I would be willing to call our D Line a strength. Not perfect, but a strong unit that I would match up with almost any in the league.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 26, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that 100%
Although, personally I would expand to include the entire defensive backfield minus Delmas.
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You guys nailed it as usual
I’d say the weakest is CB. We’ve got to draft our future CB soon. Pacman is not the answer. Maybe a stopgap if we get lucky.
RB next. Smith is a real question mark. Brown has shown flashes of brilliance, but not enough. No one else has stepped up. We need our AP, CJ, LT whatever initials you want superback.
WR not the weakest, but we lack a true slot type receiver. That would go a LONG way towards helping us continue drives.
LB again depth issues. But we could probably get by with what we have
OL can always be improved. We have some aged vets, and we need a OG. I think we can get a good one this year.
S We’ll need someone to cover deep for Delmas so we can cheat him up and let him drop the hammer. Berry would be perfect!
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He bounced around the prior two years in the NFL …..What do you guys think about his roll ????
I hope he is the CB version of Jeff Garcia
And that he and Jack Williams shine so much in preseason that Pacman is our nickle.
After the kool-aid wears off, I think that he will be a passable nickle or ST. There is a reason he bounced around for a couple years before looking for the CFL.
Offense
Maybe defense. If not one of those, then i’m thinking speciel teams. Its too close to call.
Why
is everyone leaving out safety and defensive end? We need to draft a d-end and a safety. Probably more than we need to draft a d-tackle. I don’t care if Suh is there, Berry should be the pick, or we should trade down for more picks.
that is bullcrap. if berry is the best player, which he is, then he should be the pick.
i agree but 2nd is to high or a S
Agreed, take the best player, not tomorrow's bum
2002 top five and where Ed Reed was drafted:
1. Houston David Carr QB Fresno State
2. Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina
3. Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon
4. Buffalo Mike Williams OT Texas
5. San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas
24. Baltimore Edward Reed S Miami (FLA)
2003 top five and where Polamalu was drafted:
1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB USC
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami (Fla.)
4 NY Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State
16 Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu SS USC
What, a top 5 pick is too high for Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu?, ……but not too high for David Carr, Joey Harrington, Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, and Dwayne Robertson? You take the best player that will help your team. Who cares whether it is 1st overall or 32nd? Opposing teams focus their gameplan heavily for Reed and Polamalu. You don’t see too many teams these days focusing their gameplanning on Carr, Harrington, Williams, Rogers, Robertson, or even Jammer and Newman.
Like Schwartz says, draft the best player, not the position. Schwartz is wise. Trust the Schwartz.
If Eric Berry is the best player (which he is), then he should be the pick. Everyone tries to find excuses not to draft him that have nothing to do with Eric Berry’s talent and playmaking. Nobody can deny his talent.
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Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Where is LaRon Landry? Donte Whitner? Micheal Huff?
All top ten pick safeties…..all busts, or ahem, huge disappointments if you prefer.
Safeties can be picked later in the draft because they are not valued highly. Why waste a top ten pick when you can get a very good safety [Delmas] in the second round?
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 28, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
You can also pick a bad safety (Patrick Chung) in the 2nd Round......so regardless of where you draft, you still have to make smart decisions, pick the right player regardless of position
You can’t get Eric Berry in the 2nd Round. Get the right player, not a bum.
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Landry, Whitner and Huff weren't the wrong picks because they were safeties......they were the wrong picks because they were the WRONG safeties
Draft the player, not the position. You know, like Schwartz says.
Two thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
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CB, RB, SS, DT, LG
CB – Our guys will basically play one spot up on the depth chart. I hope we draft someone round 2, or 3
RB – Kevin Smith is decent, but I don’t think our run game is threatening with solely him as our running attack.
SS – We need a quality starter here to make Delmas available to do even more.
DT – Stop the run! We’ve wanted it for years…man, I hope we draft Suh.
LG – I tend to think our OL is ok at best, but it seems everyone agrees we need to upgrade here. Again, I am hoping in round 2, or 3 of this draft.
RB, WR, LG, Backup OT, DT, DE, CB, S
I think they are our biggest weaknesses, hopefully all of those things are addressed at some point during the draft.
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I don't see any real holes at LB.
Levy is the biggest concern. He played well last year but can he man the middle fulltime? That’s the unknown. Sims and Peterson seem set at OLB and then we have some decent depth in Dizon and Follett. Unless someone like Sims is packaged in a trade sometime soon, I just don’t see anything spent in the LB corp.
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by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 27, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Our D-line is a major weakness
I love the KVB and corey williams additions, but this game is won and lost on the line. People who say we should take a safety over suh are doomed to watching that safety make a TON of tackles 20-30 yards past the LOS because of all the time the QB will have. It is very possible to win the super bowl with good but not great safety play, but it’s virtually impossible without a stout line.
Corey Williams is a good player who makes the line stout
SLH has improved a lot, and will continue to improve. We have our 2 good starters at DT……guys who absolutely fit this defense. People who say we shouldn’t take the safety who is the Best Player in the Draft will be doomed to watching Marquand Manuel NOT make tackles and get burned for TD’s instead. It’s really impossible to win the Super Bowl when THAT happens. No thanks.
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Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Just because you keep saying that Eric Berry is the Best Player in the draft does not make it so.
Many scouts, analysts, GMs, Coaches, etc. seem to disagree. If he is the Best Player, then why isn’t he in the discussion for # 1 or even # 2? Tampa will not even look at him unless both Suh and McCoy are gone.
He is continually projected to be the seventh or even tenth pick in this draft. Almost never earlier than fifth. Do you know something that no one else knows?
The hype machine is in full gear for Berry, and it is still not helping him.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 28, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because you say he's not the best player doesn't make it so
Hype machine? Must be powered by a lawn mower engine.

By comparison, the OMG Suh! OMG McCoy media hype machine is like a nuclear powered aircraft carrier.

Two thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Funny, according to KDawg everyone knows about Berry because of ESPN's endless pimping of him.
I don’t get, and make it a point not to watch, ESPN so I would not know. But I have no reason to not believe KDawg is correct on this.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 29, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Not entirely true NL12
I said that I used to see him in the highlight all the time during the college football season, on Sportscenter. Since the season ended, it has been all Suh, McCoy, Bradford, and some Clausen.
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Suh has as much potential to be a dominant player as Tony Mandrich. Remember all the hype and can't miss about him too? Even on the cover of SI.
Lets add Robert Gallery to the OMG I can bench I am a can't miss pro bowler and hall of famer. Yeah thats worked out pretty well so far too.
Yeah...
and Mandrich was also on ROIDS when he was in college and during the combine when he put up all of his bench reps. He sucked in the pros because they forced him to stay off the juice. Robert Gallery may not be HOF material yet, but he isn’t even 30 yet and he already ranks in the top 15 of all NFL offensive guards.
I agree with you though…Suh could be dominant or he could bust. There are no sure things in the draft. That said, I have my serious doubts that he will bust. His strength is from hard work, and his ability is natural. Plus you are comparing offensive linemen to a DT…they have different physical needs and skillsets.
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Yeah I just ge a bit miffed at ppl that say Suh is better than McCoy because of Bench reps, that is rediculous.
To them I point to this link http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/tag/_/name/cortez-kennedy
It just grates on me that everyone has crowned Suh and predicted exactly what he will do in the pros. I do not have a problem with picking Suh at #2, but I have a huge problem with not considering other players for that spot.
On the Mandrich steroids thing, yeah true. But how do we know one of these guys does not have a crutch like that? That is why you do all your homework. Human Growth Hormone or (HGH) is heavily used in the NFL and if they ever ban it you will probably see a lot of them decline in performance. Jon Jansen has spoke out about this problem. How do we know Suh is not using HGH and McCoy is not? My point is that deep research is needed into each and every player your going to draft. The Lions have to look a lot deeper than us and analysts do. Beyond the tape, beyond the stats, beyond the combine, and wonderlic tests. They need to dig into the prospects life, history, family and friends. They have to get into these guys hearts and minds and look for chinks in the armor. I guarantee if that type of due diligence was done in the past we would have never drafted Charles Rogers or Mike WIlliams.
Anyhow not trying to be inflammatory or anything, thanks for your reply, it made me think of this stuff, to try and make all the Suh fanboy’s think twice.
Mandarich busted more because of horrible footwork than ’roids. He ended up being a damn good guard protecting Peyton Manning.
The bench reps at the combine? Warren Sapp only put up 6. Safe to say he had a decent career.
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Mandarich is often referred to as one of the top 5 bust NFL draft picks of all time, having been drafted second overall and ahead of such to-be NFL stars as Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, Deion Sanders, and Andre Rison.
That was after 4 years of spectacular failure with the Packers. He was cut and did not play football again for three years.
Mandarich returned to football for three years between 1996 and 1998 with the Indianapolis Colts. He had a more successful, if not particularly noteworthy, career with the Colts before retiring from football in 1998. He claims that in his tenure with the Colts he was “clean”, stating he did not take steroids during this time.
Not particularly noteworthy…
I guess from a Lion’s fan point of view, that could somehow translate to “damn good”.
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I forgot to say...
He was drafted as high as he was because of his amazing strength (Mandarich that is), not because he was labeled as a solid technique guy. The scouts already knew that his footwork sucked, and the Packers FO probably felt that they could coach him up in that area. He busted because he went off the juice, and all of a sudden the Packers had a guy with no technique, crappy footwork, AND no strength. The moral of the story here is this…STRENGTH can make up for a lack of technique!
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I ain’t stickin’ up for the guy and my point about bringing up Sapp is just a counterpoint to the bench rep arguement. You all know I’ll be the first to say I’m not a scout
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I agree with you
About Sapp….However, I DO NOT see Gerald McCoy as even CLOSE to Warren Sapp in terms of ability. Warren Sapp’s bread and butter was his ability to use his lower body strength, quick first step, technique, and leverage to overcome men in front of him that were stronger than he was in pure upper body strength. Where Sapp was more compact and stout, giving him the advantage of being able to stay low, drive his feet, and use leverage to penetrate, Gerald McCoy is longer and leaner and he relies on quickness and technique to be successful. From what I saw of him against Oklahoma State and Texas, he does not stay low and use leverage to his advantage. He tends to get stood up against stronger opposition, and moved out of position to make plays. Against guys who lack superior footwork, and who may not be as strong as some other offensive linemen that he faced, his superior technique and quickness allowed him to dominate. My concern is that his technique and quickness will not translate at the professional level, as he will be facing professional level opposition, where men generally HAVE superior footwork, upper body strength, and the ability to use technique to counter quickness.
As such his lack of upper body strength is a major red flag in my opinion. He is not Warren Sapp, and I have always felt that the comparison between the two was weak at best.
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+1
Good comments.
Two thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Not a Suh fan at all, but I am one who believes in bench reps
Not for the strength difference, but from the hard work and dedication to the weight room. Every time you raise the bar your blue collar shows a bit more.
ifyou believein bench reps then russell okung should be the lions pick inthe 1rd after all he had more bench reps then suh and mccoy . also he give the lions the most bang for the buck beause he save the life of 1pick in the draft last year maybee our qb will not get hurt this year because of porr offensive line play also he will be a allpro typeofplayer otor starting left guared in his 1year he is that great of a player . iknow thier a lot of pod post who think suh or mccoy or berry should be our pick with 2pick in the draft . but last year the lions started to upgrade the offensive side of the ball by drafting a qb/te/wr/ot of those picks only the qb and te where upgraded so the lions still need to pickup offensive line help they tryed to pick a ot in last year draft in the lower rds of the draft but the player didnot stay on the lions roster for the fullyear soi say pickthe highestrated offensive linemen in the draft witch is okung.
I agree in theory about the LT, but the only reason Okung is the highest rated OLman in the draft is because of the premium put on the LT.
The best OLman in this draft is Maurkice Pouncey, who is a C/G
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I am not so worried about measureables as I am intangibles.
I think the Lions have been clear on that too. Just like the Chris Houston trade. They went after him because he is the type of corner we want to have on our team. Because he is a Detroit Lion at heart. Because he carries himself like a Lion not only during the game, but in practice and off the field too. Basically thought Gym Shorts (errr Jim Schwartz) has said that he has a specific schematic for each position he looks for. You can see the common thread with Stafford, Pettigrew, and Delmas last year. That definition blurs a bit for the other picks. You see that each of those players is a fierce competitor that not only has talent but carry themselves with a swagger. A certain confidence that their will be imposed on opponents. So when you look at the first round guys, or the guys Detroit has had in town, even though I have been arguing that the other picks need to be considered too, Suh does jump out as the obvious choice. Though Okung is the biggest talent at tackle I am not sure he has the biggest attitude. For that your looking more along the Brian Bulaga, Trent Williams, <aurkice Pouncy line of thinking.
Lions will probably sign LB K. Bullick after the draft
I think he and Landon Johnson completes the depth at TB
I would say CB.
There are a few positions of need, but right now our CB situation looks like it’s beyond dire. I’m sorry for the language, but if our week one starters are Houston and Wade, we are FUCKED.

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