Rumor: Lions Hope to Trade with Browns or Bills If Rams Pass on a QB
All this time Lions fans have been hoping that the Rams draft a quarterback with the No. 1 pick, allowing Detroit to have its choice of the top defensive tackles -- Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy. There has always been the thought of a possible trade if a quarterback's stock rises from now until the draft and entices a team to jump up to the No. 2 pick. Because that is so uncertain, though, I think fans would much rather see St. Louis draft a quarterback so Detroit is guaranteed to have the opportunity to pick between Suh and McCoy.
Based on what FOXSports.com's John Czarnecki said in an article about rumors from the NFL Combine, however, perhaps a trade is more likely than originally thought. The one caveat is that trading down could be dependent on St. Louis not drafting a quarterback, giving other teams the chance to move up and select Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen. Here is what Czarnecki had to say about the rumor:
The Lions, who pick second in the first round, have their fingers crossed that the Rams don’t pick a quarterback so they can trade down with either Cleveland or Buffalo, who apparently are in the quarterback market. The thought process is that new Browns czar Mike Holmgren won’t want to lose his favorite quarterback to Washington and new coach Mike Shanahan. The Redskins are perched at No. 4, three spots ahead of the Browns. The Lions really don’t want to spend $33 million in bonus money on a defensive tackle.
Let's break down this rumor based on a few things that would have to happen to make it possible.
1. The Rams would have to pass on a quarterback.
Although there have been reports that St. Louis is set on drafting Sam Bradford, Czarnecki's first rumor in the above-linked article is actually about how the Rams would pick Gerald McCoy if the draft was today because Steve Spagnuolo favors him. Obviously a lot could change from now to the draft in April, but it is definitely possible that St. Louis could opt for a defensive tackle, whether it is McCoy or Suh. I think McCoy going first overall would be the best possible scenario for the Lions because it gives them a shot at drafting Suh or trading down. Needless to say, all leverage would be in the Lions' court.
2. Detroit would have to be willing to pass on Suh or whoever to move down.
Regardless of what the Lions are offered as far as a trade goes (I will get to that in a second), nothing will happen if Detroit is dead set on drafting Ndamukong Suh (or some other player; I'm just using Suh for this example). I mean, there's always the possibility of an offer coming along that is just too good to turn down no matter how much the Lions may want to add Suh to the roster. But if Jim Schwartz and Martin Mayhew view Suh as having the ability to immediately turn around the defense and improve the team in a big way, then it may be tough to trade down and pass on somebody like Suh.
3. Detroit would have to be offered a good enough deal to actually move down.
The last part of this is pretty simple. There won't be a trade unless the Lions are offered something that is so enticing that they have no problem with moving down. Based on this rumor, which explicitly mentions the Browns and Bills, that means that a deal would have to be worth moving all the way from the second overall pick down to either the seventh or ninth. That would require a pretty nice package of picks and perhaps even some players as well considering neither team has more than one first-round selection (neither has more than one second-round pick, either). The key to a trade that involves moving more than just a couple spots is that the Lions receive enough in return to make it worthwhile and that they don't move too far down where they miss out on somebody that will have an immediate impact. I suppose as long as you draft by the best player available mantra that any player should have an immediate impact, but some of the top players in the draft appear to be on a level of their own.
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If the Lions were to trade down, I think it's a given that the ideal partner would be the Seahawks. Seattle has the No. 6 and No. 14 picks, which would be just about the perfect compensation for the second overall pick based on a typical trade value chart. Not only that, but a trade with Seattle would only move the Lions down four spots, giving them a possible shot at a player who has been talked about being picked at No. 2 (like an Eric Berry or Russell Okung). The best part of this deal is that the Lions would go back on the clock with the 14th pick, giving the team a chance to add another high-level talent in the first round.
For me, I would be in favor of trading down as long as the Lions don't go down too far and get a good package of picks/players back in return. It would be a little tough to swallow moving down to seventh or ninth without the possibility of coming out of the trade with two first-rounders (in this draft, at least), but if the Browns or Bills throw pick after pick at the Lions to make a deal happen, then it would probably be worth pulling the trigger.
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I think it is better to stay at 2 because
they can get an elite talent in the drat. Either DT would be a great and more productive addition because of Schwartz’s ability to make DT’s better. I personally think that Bradford will be the pick but if something crazy happens and he isn’t than I would still like either DT that is still there.
personally,
i like the idea of trading down if suh is taken at 1st.. we have many holes and more picks/players just aids us in filling those holes. pretty simple.
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by GhostManOnThird on Mar 3, 2010 12:39 AM EST reply actions
I agree
For me it would definitely be easier to trade down if Suh is already off the board than if McCoy is the one gone.
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I am having a hard time following the logic of Mr. Czarnecki.
I am not sure why anyone would trade up to # 2 if there are two QBs [Clausen and Bradford] available. It seems that the Kansas City pick would be the best place to land. And I believe KC is more than willing to trade down too.
I am assuming that both QBs are ranked about the same. If one is valued a lot higher than another his reasoning makes more sense.
If the Rams do take a QB, then our spot or Tampa’s becomes the pick to go for as the drop off from B/C to whoever is huge.
Personally, I don’t see Seattle giving up two first rounders, especially # 6 and # 14. I think Detroit would be lucky, and better off, to get Seattle’s # 6 , their second round pick [#40], their fourth round pick [#101] and a second round from 2011. I would have preferred a third round pick from this year but Seattle traded it away last year.
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Think about this...
If for some strange reason STL takes McCoy
We trade with Washington because they get wind of Cleveland’s dealing and don’t want to lose out…
Washington takes Bradford then Its not beyond comprehension that TB could take Berry…
Uh Oh, then we STILL get Suh at 4, plus whatever Washington gave us!
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That's a stretch.....
I think TB would jump all over Suh at pick 3…..they need a DT as bad as we do. However, that would leave us with Berry at pick 4, and I would not be upset about that either.
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my mind just spun in circles
4 times. however it deff a stretch. or we trade out of the 4 spot 1 more time because someone wants claussen and we have like 3 1st rounders!!!!!!!!! lol
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by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 3, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone ever had 3 first round picks in one year?
I do it all the time on madden HAHA
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not me I trade my picks with average players
for probowlers who are in rookie contracts. The most 1st round picks I remember is 2. but i haven’t don any research.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 3, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I would be really surprised
if Seattle gives up two first rounds for either Claussen or Bradford. I don’t think either of them are worth that much
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I agree
I think that if the browns wanted to swap with us to ensure that they get their pick of the QBs it would be worth it for:
Cleveland gets Rd 1 Pick 2
Detroit gets Rd 1 Pick 4 Rd 3 Pick 4 and a 3rd round pick in 2011
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I am not sure if you have your teams mixed up but the Browns pick at # 7 in both the first and third rounds.
I don’t like that trade. We could potentially miss on Suh, Berry, McCoy, and even Okung. Who is left at # 7?
If Cleveland wants a QB ahead of Washington they must be prepared to pay a lot more than that. If they gave up their first, second, and third round picks I would consider it, but we would really have to think about who is the guy at # 7 that we would take. Haden? Derrick Morgan?
I would want to stay in the top six or drop back even farther for many more picks.
You're right, I mean Washington at 4 not Cleveland
Washington needs a QB too
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by CapitolLions on Mar 3, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I like the idea of trading with Washington.......but.......
Washington does not have a third round pick. They used it in the supplemental draft. I would take the Skins second and fourth round picks this year.
I can't believe Cleveland is in the market for another QB.....
Just last year they were bitching about not being able to choose between Quinn and Anderson…..now they want another QB in the mix? Doesn’t make sense……
Here’s a question for all of our Stafford lovers (myself included…..now)……what if we had pick 6 and 14 last year and Stafford and Sanchez were available at pick #2? If we were able to move up to pick 2, by trading our picks 6 and 14, would we not still want and need our franchise QB? I think that too many people are overly focused on how good Sam Bradford/Jimmy Clausen are, and much less focused on what is most important to the teams who need a QB…..like Seattle. I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility that the Seahawks would WANT to trade both of their 1st rounders to move up and get A QB…..they could very well believe that they are one player away from being competitive…..and they could very well be correct in that assumption. Bradford and Clausen are both VERY accurate QBs…..they do not have to have HUGE arms to be very valuable to these QB needy teams.
I think it all comes down to the willingness of these franchises to continue on with what they have at QB. Seattle has an aging Matt Hasselbeck and Seneca Wallace…..not to bright in the land of options there. They could very well be coveting Bradford or Clausen, much like many believe the Lions were coveting Stafford last year. Knowing what we have now makes the decision much easier, but I would give up picks 6 and 14 for a QB that could lead our team to the Superbowl in the near future…..and it is not a complete uncertainty that Bradford or Clausen could do that for Seattle or these other teams who are desperate for a QB.
One thing is for sure…..the ball is in our court. We are in control.
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i would take Haden
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I am pretty sure the Lions would take Morgan.....
We have a history of passing on the CB in the 1st round, in order to draft other positions of need. I would almost bet on Morgan at pick 7 or 9……unless Eric Berry or Gerald McCoy somehow slipped to pick 7. Personally, I too would take Haden…..and hope to get Wilson too. If we can not significantly upgrade our D-line…..then I say the next best move would be a significant upgrade to the secondary.
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Speaking of players sliding.......
What if the Rams took a QB (Bradford or Clausen), the Lions ignored the hype and took Eric Berry, and the Buccaneers preferred Suh over McCoy, especially after McCoy’s poor Combine performance? How far could McCoy fall?
A thought:
1. Rams-QB (Bradford or Clausen)
2. Lions-S Eric Berry
3. Buccaneers-DT Ndomakong Suh
4. Washington-QB (Clausen or Bradford)
5. Chiefs-OT Russell Okung (3-4 defense….likely no McCoy anyway)
6. Seahawks-maybe McCoy. Pete Carroll has said he intends to stay primarily with the 4-3 (the defense he ran at USC). But if they choose someone else, like say an OT (Bruce Campbell, Anthony Davis), then……….
7. Browns-Cleveland has a 3-4 defense. Likely no McCoy here.
8. Oakland Raiders-S Taylor Mays, DE Carlos Dunlap, or OT Bruce Campbell. Business as usual for Al Davis and his undead minions.
9. Bills-Buffalo has a 3-4 defense. Likely no McCoy here.
10. Jaguars-Jacksonville has a 3-4 defense now (on most days). McCoy might not land here.
11. Broncos-Denver has a 3-4 defense. Likely no McCoy here.
12.Dolphins-Miami has a 3-4 defense. Likely no McCoy here.
13. 49ers-SF has a 3-4 defense. Likely no McCoy here.
14. Seahawks-If they don’t take McCoy at #6, Seattle might still get him here at #14, especially after his poor Combine performance confirmed suspicions that he is too small and weak for some schemes. Either way, McCoy could end up a Seahawk. His best fits are in Seattle or maybe Tampa Bay.
Historically, the “experts” are wrong on almost all of the 1st-Round picks, and rarely even get 3 of the top 5 picks right…….so be skeptical of the hype. It might not happen this way per se, but based on experience one thing is sure…….there will be unexpected picks, the “experts” will be wrong, and someone will slide and be hung out to dry in the “Green Room”. It happens every year. Maybe this year it will happen to Gerald McCoy. Never say never.
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It is definitely a possibility GRL
However, I think the Lions will draft Suh if he is available and they do not trade down…..
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What bout this
I dont know what happened with my post bout heres my scenario the Lions trade with the Redskins and if iaint mistaken they got a safty on the trade block so their safty and swap picks then we take Haden or if the Bucs pass on Suh or McCoy we could stil lget them if not then Haden then with the trade and our pick we have killed 2 birds with 1 stone then with the 34th pick we can address the dline with someone like a Brandon Graham or Dan williams i think with Grahams injury he may fall out of 1st round.And Williams may fall also.
I would crap a gold brick if Dan Williams slipped to round 2......
Graham only had a minor tweak of his hammy……I don’t think his stock will drop to round 2 either.
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I tell the browns
I want their first round pick and Josh Cribbs. Thats the only deal I like for trading down(this would never happen). Unless we can get their first and second pick. I like that as well. Oh lord to get josh Cribbs in our slot packages and FINALLY HAVE A RETURN MAN.
by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 3, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions
Plz stay at 2 .
If Suh is gone than grab Eric Berry .
Delmas-Berry would be a beautiful thing.
If they trade down and can get a “Hershell Walker-type deal” yes then do it (like a player and 2-3 draft picks) but if they are trading down 7 spots and getting a 6th rounder with it ..DONT do it
For once......I agree with you
If we can’t get Suh, I too want Berry.
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i like it
as long as the lions drop down only a couple spots and can still get someone very valuable and than get a couple extra picks including a 2nd rounder and 3rd rounder, than i would be satisfied
Really against trading down
I have to agree with those that said not to trade down.
They have a shot at either Suh or McCoy and I it’s hard to swallow missing a shot at either of those two. l
if lions trade down with cle or buf
the lions would have to get from cle their 1rd pick and 2rd 5rd. for the 2pick in draft. if they trade buf they will need to get a 1rd pick and 2rd 4rd 6rd pick in this year draft for 2pick in1rd in this draft.
mock draft if lions trade down cle
1rd earl thomas ss/cb
2rd jared odrick dt
2rd carlos dunlap de
3rd donvan warren cb
4rd amari spievey cb
5rd james starks rb
5rd john jerry g
5rd aaron boyce wr
6rd stafon johnson rb
7rd dan doering g
I like that but I would hope we could get someone other than Dunlap
Corey Wooten or Jerry Hughes maybe
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We do not have a 7th round pick.....
Unless you are proposing that we would get a 1st round swap, a 2nd, a 5th, and a 7th in the deal.
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What would it take in your opinion to move down to nine where the Bills pick?
I could see trading the ninth pick, third-, and fourth-rounders but more than that would be a little nuts. Now if we added Donte Whitner to the deal and maybe Trent Edwards that could change the scenario a little. Thoughts?
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Swap 1st rounders.....
You would almost have to get a player from Buffalo to make it a fair trade……there is a 1250 point difference between pick 2 and pick 9 in round 1. The 9th pick in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds only adds up to 875.4 points……
The deal would have to be pretty lopsided in our favor for it to be a good trade for us…..
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That said.....
There is also an 1100 pt difference between pick 2 and pick 7 (Cleveland). Again, there would have to be a player AND picks involved in order to make it a fair trade and a good trade on our behalf. The 2nd pick in the draft is very valuable.
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can you guys tell me
where to look at the point scale? I can’t find it anywhere.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 3, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Here
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670
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We should swap with Buffalo
Get a 2nd this year and Donte Wittner
They are trying to move him anyway.
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mock draft if lions trade down buf
1rd joe haden cb
2rd major wright fs/ss
2rd braden ghee cb
3rd linval joseph dt east carolla big defense tackle the lions like
4rd ej willson de
4rd ben tate rb
5rd shawn lauvao g
5rd cj willson de
6rd lagarrette blount rb
6rd reid neelly g
7rd david gettis wr
i would take Myron Rolle before Major Wright
Major Wright will probably last until the 4th round
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I'd like to trade down, especially if Suh is off the board
But not too far, like a lot of people have said. Berry or Morgan would be a nice early pick.
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How about this
there was a rumor tossed around a week or two ago that Tampa may try to trade up to #1 to get Suh. If the Rams take a QB #1, how about trading down one slot with Tampa to gain an extra pick or two? We did a similar move several years back when Cleveland wanted Kellen Winslow.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Mar 3, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions
Tampa wouldn't do it
They’re in the same boat we are—they have a lot of needs. They’re not “one DT away” from being competitive, so I can’t see them giving up picks to move up one or two spots.
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