Wednesday Notes: Chargers Struggling to Find Trading Partner for Cromartie Deal
by Sean Yuille on Mar 3, 2010 4:26 PM EST
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Print- The Chargers are having a tough time putting together a trade involving Antonio Cromartie. The main issue is that the Chargers want a high-round pick, but that isn't going to happen considering Cromartie only has a year left on his contract. Teams only want to give up a mid-round pick (like a fifth-rounder, for example), but San Diego hasn't been willing to take that just yet. Perhaps they will realize that their hopes of a high-round pick are unrealistic and let him go for a lot less than they originally wanted. Maybe then the Lions would reconsider a trade, but then again, if the coaches don't like his style of play, I don't know if giving up less would change their opinion on a trade.
- Sports Illustrated's Don Banks thinks Thomas Jones will sign with the Lions. I would be pretty happy if that ended up happening.
- Tom Kowalski has Ndamukong Suh clearly ahead of Gerald McCoy after what happened at the combine.
- The Sporting News has the Lions drafting defensive end Derrick Morgan.
- Joshua Cribbs and the Browns are close to agreeing to a new contract.
- The NFL might invite potential second-round picks to New York for the second night of the draft.
- Rich Eisen ran his annual 40-yard dash as the combine came to a close yesterday. His time was actually a personal high, but the best part of all was watching the comparisons with Terrence Cody and seeing Jacoby Ford zoom by despite Eisen having a big head start.
- SB Nation has launched its 2010 NFL Draft page.
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I don't think the coaches "don't like his style of play"
If they didn’t like his style of play, they wouldn’t have talks to begin with. They did have some level of talks, so unless those talks started and ended with “Chargers: do you want Cro? Lions: no”, then they had some desire to have him on the team. All the style of play crap is to A-scare other teams away and B-drive down Cro’s value on the open market.
unhappy with his style of play
i remember reading that they were not happy with how he plays against the run which is probably one of the reasons why they felt SD was asking for too much in return.
basically style of play = 5th rounder yes, 3rd and morris no….
Bas Rutten: He has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Stephen Quadros: Yes, well many of the fighters have a black belt.
Bas Rutten: Yes, but in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu you cant buy your belt like in say, Tae Kwon Do.
Stephen Quadros: Do you have any belts?
Bas Rutten: I have a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do.
Kowalski called McCoy's performance a "red flag", and that "you want your players to perform big in big events"
So now Kowalski and his mustache thinks Ndomakong Suh is clearly ahead of Gerald McCoy? I could have told him that……I’ve been saying it for months. Once again, the “experts” are behind the curve. Don’t let the media hype brainwash you……think for yourselves. We are not sheep!
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lol
and im hoping for them to come to a deal with cromartie. he is good, but because of the way he played in 1 game he is being overlooked by some of us lions fans. really? he is better than any of our cb’s so we cant complain. i would be fine with giving up morris and a 5th rounder considering we have two.
SAY
NO TO CRO!
I have a 9" personality
by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 3, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Gr Lion
It hillarious how anotehr writer just goes off the combine….Mccoy and Suh are 1a and 1b…Ill take either
by BennieBladesFan on Mar 3, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
They all follow the hype.....and in doing so, perpetuate it
I’ve watch games and film of both Suh and McCoy. Based on what i saw, they are NOT “1a and 1b”. Don’t believe the hype! That same writer had been “going off” the same hype that he had heard up to this point, supporting McCoy……..until McCoy had a poor performance. At a time where he had to get serious and impress people, he failed. Clutch players get it done in the clutch. This raises serious concerns not only about his strength, but also about his work ethic and mental toughness.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
hes no gym rat
I don’t want him. not for 10 mill a year!
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by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 3, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
The combine did raise some questions about McCoy...
that the Lions should be concerned about. I’m leary about him going at number two as well.
BUT… you announcing you are right about McCoy and how he is going to bust and how he doesn’t fit the Lion’s scheme on EVERY post is getting a tad annoying. I’m not quite as conviced as you that McCoy will not turn out to be a good or even great pro. Even the great draft guru GRLion can’t say that with 100% confidence. While Suh looks like the far better option, it’s still the game tape – NOT just the combine reps – that teams will look at when deciding when to select McCoy. No doubt he hurt his stock some… but how much… no one really knows. Ultimately, the teams will each have to decide who they want and when they want to draft them. You telling us at EVERY corner that McCoy is shit isn’t very productive.
by DrewsLions on Mar 3, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree Drew.....
And I do think that Gerald McCoy will be a good NFL player at some point…..just not immediately. GRLion took a ton of flack from a lot of different people because of his opinion (and mine) on McCoy. While it is true that he might be taking his liberties a bit far, with saying I told you so, in a way he does have reason. I myself also took a moment to say “I thought so”, but that was the end of it for me. My whole argument was that McCoy was not strong enough, for his size, to be a top 5 prospect at DT in the NFL. I think his combine effort clearly marked that out as a fact.
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KDawg...
I thought the same thing watching the combine and have a bit of a different perspective of McCoy now. I don’t think he’s strong enough for the way Detroit would want to use him and I don’t think they should take him. Although I did think the kid was pretty likeable when the panel at NFL Network interviewed him… not sure if you saw that. He came off very personable and coachable. He did say that Detroit interviewed him “several” times as well. Due diligence, I hope.
That said… it’s not a given that he will bust or not be a great player based on strength alone. Many respectable folks in the NFL and media still think the world of this kid and there has to be something to that. Even after his 23 reps and follow-up excuses, Mayock still has him as his number one player. Again, not that Mayock is king and never wrong, but there has to be something very special and significant in his game tape that makes NFL media and personnel think he’s still worthy of a top three pick.
Absolutely
I saw the interview, and he is a very likable guy……but likable doesn’t get the job done unfortunately….lol. I think he could be a great player in the future….but I do believe it is true that he will need to get stronger before he will make any kind of impact at the pro level. I do not see him as a top 5 pick…..but hey, that is my opinion. I would not be too happy if we drafted him at pick 2, and I guess that is my bottom line. I think if we moved down and took him in the middle of the first round, it would make much more sense to me.
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Hey what about Derrick Morgan?????
Sporting News has the Lions drafting him. I said that 2 months ago. I dont want to use the phrase “I told you so”……but……
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
The Sporting News....didn't they mock the Lions taking Everette Brown at # 1 last year?
I guess they still think we need a pass rusher. LOL I will give them points for consistency.
+100 Drew
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 3, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
props to rich
I don’t see chris burman balling up to do the bench press. LOL takes some guts to do that in a suit tie non the less. I like eisen I think he is one of the best at his posision on TV
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Poor Rich
At least he give’s it a go.
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
Take Cromartie
ONLY if they go for a lesser pick…. resign or extend him for a three year deal if possible (buy low in case he succeeds.. the only way.. last year of his deal)
If Thomas Jones comes to the Lions….. THAT WOULD BE HUGE!!!!! 1.5 days to go before the fireworks start!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
I'd take him easy for a 4th or 5th rounder....
I’m not sure we could get a better corner in this draft at that point than Cromartie.
For sure
There will be no corner better than Antonio Cromartie in the 4th or 5th round…..period. I would even give up Morris and a 5th. I do not think that is a bad deal, especially if we do sign someone like Thomas Jones. The Lions are almost guaranteed to draft a RB at some point in this draft anyway.
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I'd definitely give up a 5th and Morris if....
we signed Jones. I’m actually really, really pulling for Mayhew to scoop up Jones. He’s a hard runner, great teammate and has some tread left on the tires. How long has it been since we had a 1,400 yd back in Detroit? Yeah, back when some dude named Barry carried the rock.
BTW… I’m not so sure they have to take a back this year if they pick up Jones. I think they’d be okay to wait a year.
Only problem....
Is that we would be one false move away from Tecmo Bowl injury music and Aaron Brown as the starter, until Kevin Smith could come back. We are down a guy, we have to remember that.
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Yeah, but I think...
there’s a chance that Smith will be ready to go sometime early in the season – maybe even by the opener. He may not be able to carry more than 10 times a game, but he should be ready… or close to it.
But… you’re probably right. Drafting a back would be the smart thing to do.
Word is he may be on the PUP list at the start of the season.....
Don’t ask me where that came from, but I heard it somewhere…..lol. I hope he can get healthy and play early.
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Jones
man I would like to have Jones. He is a hard runner and very physical. Hopefully we can sign him to a year or two contract due to his age which really is the ONLY negative. The jets are crazy for letting him go just because they think he has no more gas left in the tank, and greene ran good for a couple of games. GO LIONS
Another writer or So called Expert....
….putting one player ahead of another becasue of the combine…..Hillarious…..Mccoy and Suh are basically even.
Don't believe the hype......don't drink the media Kool-aid
For months I’ve been saying that McCoy was undersized and weak by NFL DT standards, and a bad fit for Gunther’s 2-gap defense. Now we have confirmation of that weakness……McCoy’s 23 reps were 35th out of 50 DT’s, and less than CB Kyle Wilson’s 25! McCoy had a chance to prove himself, to quiet the doubters, and failed…….as I predicted.
Gerald McCoy isn’t a worse player than Suh because the media says so now, anymore than he was a better player before because the media hype said so. Get off the media hype rollercoaster! McCoy is a worse player (and much worse fit for the Lions) because he lacks the physical attributes (size/strength) to FIT in Gunther’s defense and play the role of a 2-gap DT in this defense. This hasn’t changed……in fact it’s been confirmed, so the message never changes here. The only people changing their opinion are the media lemmings, chasing each others’ tails. It’s nice that some of them are starting to come around based on another piece of the puzzle. Remember, game film, all-star games, Senior Bowl Week, the Combine, Pro Days, team visits are ALL part of the puzzle. No one piece is the answer, but they are ALL part of the puzzle. That’s why the NFL teams are here. Yes, it’s nice that some in the media are starting to come around as the pieces start to click into place, but I wouldn’t put too much stock in that either way. I doubt Schwartz/Mayhew will draft based on the opinions of some media lemmings, even if some are finally right……anymore than when they were wrong. Like I’ve said, don’t trust the media hype! Trust the Schwartz!
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
lol.....the door swings both ways
As long as BennieBladesFan keeps yappin his trap about McCoy being equal to Suh, how can anyone tell GRLion to shut up?
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Bennie's comments are shorter... lol
Just givin’ a little shit here. I know both of you have championed hard against McCoy. I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong… it’s just “point taken” with GR. I’ve never really had much of an opinion either way, other than Suh being my number one option. Now… after the combine… I do think you guys were more right than wrong… how’s that?
Walterfootball's new mock has us taking
1. Suh
2. McCourtey
3. Ford
4. Jerry
Not bad I say.
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
Enlighten me
Who are McCourty, Ford, and Jerry? Give me some info,
Devin McCourty…….fast man cover CB from Rutgers. Great fit for Gunther’s blitzing defense.
Jacoby Ford………….fast little WR/returner from Clemson. I noticed him a year ago when we were looking for kick returners. One of the fastest guys at the Combine. Looks like a good fit at KR/PR/…..and maybe slot receiver.
John Jerry…………….big strong 350 Lb OG from Ole Miss. Great fit for the Lions current power downhill blocking scheme. Paints his face like a warrior to look ferocious.
All are good players who would FIT here.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Spot on
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 3, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
i like the picks except for ford
we can get someone much better here than ford. just because he ran a fast 40 time he is good? no. it would be a waste of a pick here if we drafted him just for his returning ability
"Throw me the damn ball!"
If you read through the different scouting reports he seems to be quite a good slot receiver prospect.
Apparently Ford and Kyle Wilson had some very good battles during the Senior Bowl practices. All under the watchful eye of the Detroit coaching staff.
LInk: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Senior-Bowl-North-practice-notes.html
Link: http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2010practice3.php
The top of the third round might be a little early for him. Antonio Brown may be just a little behind him and available in the fifth round.
I hope the Lion's FO has taken notice of Antonio Brown.....
He is something special…..and would be a steal in the 5th or 6th round IMHO.
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I would LOVE Brown on our team
Likewise, if Marty Gilyard fell to the 3rd round, I’d want us to take him IMMEDIATELY. I watched a lot of Cincinnati football last year, and I could not have been more impressed by him. Awesome KR/PR and a great receiver. He beat Pitt almost entirely by himself.
"Ford! You're turning into a Penguin! Stop it!"
-Arthur Dent
sounds like
the Jets may bite for him
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
no offense...
to the people ragging on McCoy, but these are the same people that were gonna be “disappointed” if the Lions drafted Stafford at no.1 instead of the clear cut once in a lifetime talent of Aaron Curry or the beast that is Jason Smith. I’m sorry, but Suh and McCoy are both extremely talented and are the two best draft prospects this year, especially for a team needing Dline help as much as the Lions. Warren Sapp didn’t put up huge numbers in the bench either, and look how he turned out.
Bottom line is people are putting too much stock in the combine, look at Vernon Gholston, good combine, bad tape. Look at McCoy, ok combine, great tape, who are you gonna draft.
by lions_sucker on Mar 4, 2010 4:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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