The Lions Don't Need The Best Players
by beef99 on Mar 6, 2010 8:35 PM EST
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PrintThey just need the right ones. The recent signings/trade have signified that. Nate Burleson isn't a great receiver, but he is the right one because he knows Linehan's offense, and Linehan knows how to use him. Kyle Vanden Bosch isn't the best end on the market, but he was the right one because Schwartz knows how to utilize him best. Corey Williams isn't the best tackle, but he is a great run stopper, pass rusher, and gap filler in the 4-3 defense.
That is why I am starting to think Detroit's first pick will be a tackle like Dan Williams. He is a gap filler, and the Lions could draft him by trading down. They would then get atleast another second round pick to help the defensive backfield, then the o-line. Whoever they draft, though, I'll be happy with because I know that Schwarts and Mayhew now what they're doing.
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on Kyle Vanden Bosch not being the best DE in FA
well i would agree and dis agree at same time.. kamp and peppers are better but… kamp only is b/c of his age.. pepers is the more skilled but isnt as much of a team player/ leader.. so i would rank like this
kamp
KVB
peppers
but my fave pick was KVB till i started watching highlights on Nate.. and listening to him talk.. so Nate is my fave FA pick up now.. KVB is great but ether he isn’t that good of a talker or he is still very(whats the word here) doubtful maybe?? he doesn’t seem as into it as Corey and Nate are.. Nate is just a depth pick glad to have him but not a game changer
left a sentence or to out.. and fixed a name error
KVB is great but ether he isn’t that good of a talker or he is still very(whats the word here) doubtful maybe?? he doesn’t seem as into it as Corey and Nate are.. and considering he was one of the leaders for the titans and he was the guy that pubmed them all up leading the chants or what have you.. one would assume it might be that he is doubtful.. i hope i am wrong.. but that just what i got out of it we will see.. kyle just doesn’t seem as into it as Corey and Nate are.. COREY is just a depth pick glad to have him but not a game changer
i love the pick up so dont take it like that
KVB was always the one being interviwed after Titans games
I live near Nashville he was always available to the media and he was a straight shooter he told it like it was. He will not sugar coat anything. He has been hampered with a few nagging injuries but played through them. Just a blue collar guy who will be great for the city of Detroit .
by Wayne Fontes on Mar 7, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
6 years $38 million was the contract he signed a year ago
Don’t expect that money to be backup money. That is bona fide an rightfully so, starting money. Plus he’s a lot better than you guys think he is for some reason. He had back to back 7 sack seasons… what more do you want from a fat ass DT? Did Pat or Kevin WIlliams get that this year? No.
JF
Louis Delmas, Eric Berry and Kyle Wilson - 313 Missile Squadron - Seek and Destroy!
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by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 7, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
They are good signings
Not the best, but good. I’m happy with them.
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
Corey Williams is nobody's backup
320 LB DT with a size/agility mismatch combo similar to Sean Rogers and Sammie Lee Hill. He was uncomfortable and unproductive as a DE in Cleveland’s 3-4 defense. No suprise there. Before that, he was in Green Bay, where he was a comfy, disruptive, productive force in a 4-3 defense.
2006: 7 sacks
2007: 7 sacks
(By comparison, Jonathan Babineaux led ALL NFL DT’s in sacks in 2009, with 6. That’s 40th overall in sacks, after DE’s, OLB’s, and 1 ILB. That’s typical.)
Williams is another mismatch LDT/RDT who perfectly fits Gunther’s 2-gap blitzing scheme. We have our starters at DT…….SLH and Corey Williams. The pieces are falling into place. The handwriting is on the wall. The “experts” are still in denial about McCoy and Suh, but their excuses are more convoluted and their tone more desperate. It’s like watching survivors desperately clinging to a life raft after their ship goes down, still stubbornly insisting that the ship is ok. Hey, I think Mel Kiper’s hair got wet.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
29
Is 30 bad for a DT? How about for a DE? Vandenbosch is 31. I’ll give Vandenbosch a chance if you’ll give Corey Williams a chance.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
meaning........what?
Blink.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
like corey
we got him for next to nothing. considering what he did for the Pack if he can bring that to detroit its a steal.
The best there is, The best there was, and the best there ever will be - Bret the Hitman hart
30 is not really too old for a d-lineman
D-linemen often play productively until 34+ (DT’s especially)
Great Reply!
I fully agree! DT is no longer directly in our sights. We have that taken care of. If we grab one, it will be in the later rounds.
by coolbreeze42 on Mar 7, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Good article
I keep having this strong feeling the Lions wanted Eric Berry all along. With virtually NO cornerback on this team that’s capable of starting, the Lions have done a great job improving that pass rush and giving whoever the CBs are an extra second or two..or more and that will come a long ways in improving this defense. Delmas and Berry will be a kick ass combo. The linebackers should be decent for another year, all depending on how Levy steps in and whether he takes that next step starting in the middle. Thing’s are looking up and I can’t wait for the draft. As for running back, I don’t look at that as a big issue. O Line and corner are my main concerns right now. I’m sure the signing of Dunta Robinson for the Falcons was what the Lions needed to let Kyle Wilson fall out of the first round.
www.prosportsdraft.webs.com
+1000
You’re exactly right. Pro Days and team visits are still ahead, but by this point smart guys like Schwartz have a pretty good idea who can do what, and who can help their team and fit what they’re trying to do……….especially at the top of the draft. Smart money says Eric Berry is already penciled in as the pick, and moves are now being made to put players in place around him. The pieces of the puzzle are falling into place.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Sorry...
if they pass on Suh for Berry, they’ve made a major mistake. Not that I don’t like Berry… I do. I think the guy is a stud. But Suh is the far better prospect and in a higher impact position. He is WORTH the #2. Berry, being a Safety, may not be worth the price of the #2 pick in terms of impact for dollar. That has to enter the equation.
I personally think Berry may slip out of the top five. No.. I’m not crazy. I think that we here at POD have just gone bonkers for the guy, but the majority of the other teams and front offices still look at him as a Safety… and even the best don’t go top five usually. Is he the BEST Safety prospect in the last ten years even? Probably not. There are many that think that he is not the best safety in the draft. Not me… but some.
If the Lions are smart, they take Suh if he’s there. Don’t get cute with the pick… just take the best player in the draft for the second straight year.
The best player in the draft this year IS Eric Berry...
Suh is on the same level but he doesn’t really fit our team, and while there is always room to alter the team to fit a player like Suh, Eric Berry fits so perfectly that it would be stupid to pass on him because SOME people think #2 is too high for the position, which is a load of shit in itself. If you model your ENTIRE philosophy around BPA, then the position he plays shouldn’t matter, with the exception of having that player’s position already set… which Suh’s position on the Lions is to a degree as well counting against him. Not that Corey Williams and SLH are being counted on to be world beaters, but they are definitely capable of holding down the fort.
And on a side note, safety is JUST as important, if not MORE important than DT. They are the last line of defense in both the passing game and running game. Plus a safety can shake up offenses in many more ways than DTs can. DT can be isolated with pitches and outside runs as well as quick passes such as screens. Try isolating Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu with those type of plays, as well as any other type of run. The only way to isolate that type of player is to throw away from him. But wait! What happens if you have Louis Delmas on the other side of that type of player? Boy, to quote the announcer in Semi-Pro, “It’s a shit-fucking sandwich out there.” That is what the likes of QBs will be saying, especially in today’s ever changing NFL defenses relying more on safeties as leaders on the defense, especially evident in OUR OWN defensive scheme in which the safety calls the shots. So in the Lions situation this makes more sense than you’re giving credit for.
JF
Louis Delmas, Eric Berry and Kyle Wilson - 313 Missile Squadron - Seek and Destroy!
Best article/comments on the Lions' Draft Philosophy - READ
by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 7, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
You're overlooking one thing.
Despite all the reads, zones, and 30 second long offensive play calls, this game is still and always will be won and lost in the trenches. We have the chance to have one of the best DT tandems in the league and, barring injury, we’ll have it for at least a decade. I’m talking about Suh/Hill. To get that, we draft Suh. I like Berry, but we can get Delmas a good complementary safety in rounds 2-4. Actually we need a corner worse than we need a safety anyway. If we draft a safety it shouldn’t be til at least round 3. Of course, all this is speculation until we know for sure who St. Louis is taking with the first pick.
by Lionsrmycrack on Mar 7, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
You're missing something too
His position would be the 3-technique DT, which requires a fatass to stuff up shit. That’s the Lions philosophy for the position, what they expect. Why would they pick a guy who doesn’t fit the mold? Unless they decide to break the mold for Suh, which is kind of silly in a 2-gap, blitzing safety defense if you ask me. We’d be changing our whole Defense after just implementing it.
JF
Louis Delmas, Eric Berry and Kyle Wilson - 313 Missile Squadron - Seek and Destroy!
Best article/comments on the Lions' Draft Philosophy - READ
by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 7, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
LRA gets it!
The best player in the draft this year IS Eric Berry… Suh is on the same level but he doesn’t really fit our team, and while there is always room to alter the team to fit a player like Suh, Eric Berry fits so perfectly that it would be stupid to pass on him because SOME people think #2 is too high for the position, which is a load of shit in itself. If you model your ENTIRE philosophy around BPA, then the position he plays shouldn’t matter, with the exception of having that player’s position already set…
And on a side note, safety is JUST as important, if not MORE important than DT. They are the last line of defense in both the passing game and running game.
Plus a safety can shake up offenses in many more ways than DTs can. DT can be isolated with pitches and outside runs as well as quick passes such as screens. Try isolating Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu with those type of plays, as well as any other type of run. The only way to isolate that type of player is to throw away from him. But wait! What happens if you have Louis Delmas on the other side of that type of player?
Brilliant!
(Applauds wildly)
Great detailed, yet common-sense analysis. You’ve got a great understanding of the current state of the game. That’s a lot better than cliches about picks and shovels and trenches.
especially in today’s ever changing NFL defenses relying more on safeties as leaders on the defense, especially evident in OUR OWN defensive scheme in which the safety calls the shots. So in the Lions situation this makes more sense than you’re giving credit for.
KDawg noticed that too…….some people have said “you can’t build a team around a safety”, but the Lions already HAVE. His name is Louis Delmas, and I got his back 1000%.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Funny that you only applaud and say...
that someone has “excellent analysis and understanding” when they agree with you.
I really, really, really, really wish you’d stop saying the Ndamukong Suh wouldn’t fit the Lion’s defense. That is a steaming load of crap. If he was 320 lbs, would you even question it? My guess is no. Are you really that hung up on 15 additional pounds? This tells me you are less and less interested in whether Suh “really” fits the Lions and more about sucking off Berry and more importantly… simply being right. You have too much invested in Berry because of your insane and incessant ranting to go back now…. so you’ve chosen to take it to the Nth degree. Ridiculous…….
i agree, i've been getting that feeling too
especially with Berry having a strong case for being the best player in the draft this year.
Do we have a front office that is
smarter than the rest of the league finally?
I have a 9" personality
by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 7, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
the scary thing is.....I really believe we do....
Not really sure how I should feel right now
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
it's like losing your virginity
for Ralf. . . sorry I had to.
I have a 9" personality
by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 7, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Do we have a front office that is smarter than the rest of the league finally?
And smarter than the media hype……….not that that’s difficult.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Same difference
Between Berry and Thomas as there is in Suh and McCoy. The consensus is becoming that Suh is worthy of his stature but after looking closer McCoy has slipped on some boards. The same difference applies to Thomas, he and McCoy could be great and they’re probably solid picks BUT Suh and Berry are both special players that could become perennial pro bowlers.
JF
Louis Delmas, Eric Berry and Kyle Wilson - 313 Missile Squadron - Seek and Destroy!
Best article/comments on the Lions' Draft Philosophy - READ
by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 7, 2010 8:52 PM EST reply actions
Both Thomas and McCoy
are clearly developmental players with upside…..they are very athletic, but they have deficiencies that are required to play at a high claiber at the NFL level, which will take time to acquire. I think both Thomas and McCoy are good players, but Suh and Berry are NFL ready NOW, and they are immediate impact players, whereas Thomas and McCoy may not be. As such, I also agree here LRA.
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