What do you want Detroit to do with the 2nd pick in the draft?
by Jabooty on Mar 8, 2010 9:08 PM EST
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Hey guys, as you can tell I'm a Packer fan. I'm not here to smack talk or anything, but am rather interested in the upcoming draft. Obviously Detroit is a team to watch knowing they have the second overall pick in the draft. First off, I must commend Detroit on a fabulous offseason so far. Your addition of DE Kyle Vanden Bosch and DT Corey Williams actually have a few of us Packer fans shaking. I'm serious about that too. We have not forgotten the 7-8 sacks per year that Corey Williams brought to our defense. Adding Vanden Bosch just makes it better yet.
That leaves me with the question: what will Detroit do with the second overall pick in light of who Detroit recently signed? I guess you can't truly answer that, but you can specify what you prefer. While discussing this at APC, a fellow Packer fan brought up an interesting point: Corey Williams is a 3 technique DT. Suh and McCoy are both 3 technique DT’s as well. That means you would have plenty of pass rushers, but do you have anybody to rely on to stop the run? Having two 3 technique DT's leaves the middle of your defensive line quite vulnerable to the run. On the other hand, the NFL has become a pass first league, so a better pass rush may give you better odds in the end.
With that said, who do you prefer to draft with the second pick? Obviously trading down to TB or KC would be a given, but lets say they aren't willing to do that. Who do you want to draft and why?
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Berry fo sho!
Suh is obviously fine too, if need be.
JF
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by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 8, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Berry or Okung...
RB in the 2nd round (or Kyle Wilson)!
I'd like to hear you back that statement up, if you don't mind.
by CLF on Mar 9, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah beef
We shouldn’t rule out Okung, Mostly because we took Staffinfection last year, but I still don’t think Okung is in the mix CLF. The percentage goes up 50% IF the Rams take Suh with the first pick. Again the RAMS have drafted DT’s with their last 2/3 picks in the first rounds in the last 2/3 years so it’s more than unlikely that they would take SUH.
How many lumps you want Doc?
In order my preference: Suh, McCoy, Okung, Berry.
The star DT gives us a great deal of versatility on the D Line. Hill and Suh to stop the run, Williams and Suh on passing downs for a great interior rush.
Okung only if our staff is confident that Backus can successfully shift to Left Guard and do a great job.
Definitely Suh, but if he's gone...
either trade down or take Eric Berry. Okung is a distant fourth option.
I still think they will grab Okung.
They need to keep Stafford healthy. The OLine FA’s are real slim this year… Also OT’s get big money just like QB’s and DE’s.
Schwartz has said he likes Backus...
…and that a move inside is not as easy as everyone thinks. So that means we will not draft Okung. Period. I would put my Matthew Stafford jersey on it.
Schwartz never said...
…that “a move inside is not as easy as everyone thinks.” You said that. Schwartz was quoted as saying that he has confidence that Jeff Backus can play Left Tackle or Left Guard at a high level.
The Lions should and will take Okung (unless Mayhew can miraculously trade back).
the mastermind
to strike again?
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by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 9, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Schwartz DID say
Backus most likely wasn’t moving to LG for a couple of years… He also said he loves Backus at LT. So……. no Okung isn’t ever donning a HBAS jersey.
JF
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by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 9, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Suh or Berry
I think both could help the defense as much or more as Delmas did last year. Schwartz knows the importance of a dominate safety and a monster DT. Let’s hope the Rams and Bradford can have a deal in place so Mayhew and Co. can have a little leverage on both of these guys or a willing trade partner.
Suh
First off, it’s good to have a fellow NFC North rival on board. This offseason as most agree has been great so far in terms of the past. Mayhew’s looked at every possibility to try to improve this roster and continues to add talent. This team is getting younger by the day and I can’t ask for anything else. No more old castoffs from other teams. KVB and Corey and Nate aren’t that old compared to the guys we picked up last offseason.
Despite all the newest additions, I think we can all agree this team still has a long ways to go to compete for a NFC North title. Two to 3 years at the least unless we hit gold on 5 to 6 guys in the draft and even then, it is still a long ways to go.
I would personally love for the Lions to draft Ndamukong Suh and finish the job on that interior front line. That way, guys like Avril can use his speed, much like Ray Edwards of the Vikings thanks to the Williams Wall and get the best out of the younger guys. I’m not too worried about playing the run as you stated being a potential problem, we improved in that category a year ago but that is the least of my concerns as of now. Maybe if we were a decent team then we can be ticky tacky on little things like that but as of now, the number one thing Schwartz and company are doing is adding youth and talent to this once depleted roster.
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We can't compete but...
…if Schwartz can get the Lions to stop folding when the going gets tough (we should have won the St. Louis game, and the Seattle game last year and thus should have finished 4-12 instead of 2-14) the Lions could finish as good as 7-9.
by Mister Gloom on Mar 9, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
its not once depleted
it is depleted. maybe less than it was. we have a ways to go.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 9, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
You gota take Suh....
….this guy is amazing and with him lined up next to VB and Williams oh man im getting excited just thinking about that line….Go from worst in division to best…..SUH PLEASE!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:11 PM EST reply actions
Worst to best.....
…..dline not team
by BennieBladesFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
And the OMG Suh! hype continues.........
I’d prefer Berry next to Delmas…….and SLH next to CW……..and Wilson next to Houston. Best secondary in the division, best run D in the division, and the most team sacks in the division, thanks to our improved blitz. I’m getting excited thinking about it!
I don’t have to beg for Berry……..it’s going to happen. Despite the tidal wave of media hype, Berry is the more likely choice. Suh is only the more popular choice, the more hyped choice (along with McCoy). That means a lot of surprised people in late April……but that happens every year. I’ve seen it all before.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
SUH
i agree with calvin as well. Also Suh is considered better against the run than McCoy is and it is a pass happy league so having more pass rushers would always be good which is why Suh would be the pick. I’m not as high on berry as some other people but if we would to trade down to maybe cleveland i wouldnt be upset taking berry if he fell that far but I would prefer Suh.
Me too on Berry.....
…..I like Earl Thomas better…..Its gota be Suh.
by BennieBladesFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
For some reason...
Mayock has Earl Thomas rated ahead of Berry…but then again, he also has McCoy over Suh so it should be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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He also dons red lipstick and women's clothing in his spare time.....LOL
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
Can I be? Please?
I think I’m on his “People to Kill” speed dial.
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Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
ROFL
Good one, KDawg!
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Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Suh
I believe the Lions will take Suh, considering Schwartz has said time and again that his and the front office’s strategy involves BPA rather than position-based drafting. With that being said, I wouldn’t be sad if we drafted Berry or Okung, because that would address two other spots we are in need of…
Suh would make our defensive line scary to many teams, after the KVB and Williams acquisitions.
GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!
We've got a lot of Berry fans but
The pick is either gonna be Suh or Okung. Even with the additions of Corey Williams and KVB the D-line is still mediocre, Suh could potentially give us one of the better D-lines in the league.
However, despite being the consensus best player in the draft, he plays a position that historically has a fairly high bust rate near the top of the draft. Which is why Okung may be the pick instead. Finding an elite LT is very hard, and everything about Okung seems to suggest that he can be just that. It would finally allow the lions to slide Backus into LG, and, if he is the real deal, to significantly upgrade the O-line.
I don’t know who it will be, I’ll be fine with either. But I can definitely assure you it won’t be Berry. He may be a great player, but I can GUARANTEE the Lions are not selecting him at no. 2. It’s just not happening.
The thing about the bust rate is...
…that usually those defensive tackles that either busted or were disappointments (Big Daddy Wilkinson wasn’t a bust per say, but was a disappointment) usually received that pick because of one quality that suffered when teams learned that they were one dimensionsal (using Big Daddy as an example, his deal was that he was pretty big & strong, which was less a factor in the pros than it was in college).. Suh has good athletic skills (childhood soccer background, this should be a positive towards footwork), solid quickness, great motor, and pretty good strength coming out of college. Very seldom do you have a bust with these multi-dimensional athletics sans injury.
by Mister Gloom on Mar 9, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
How's the weather in Egypt?
I guarantee the Lions WILL draft Eric Berry at #2. All the moves are pointing in that direction.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
like not signing
another DT or not getting an over priced safety? explanation available? Or that we are shopping the pick? I hope all of it means we are getting thr right guy in the right spot.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 9, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
We got a huge starting DT who fits (Corey Williams), and a DE & CB, but no overpriced safety
Eric Berry has looked like the right guy in the right spot, “BPA that FITS”, and all these moves this week are setting us up to get him. Sure looks like Berry is penciled in as the pick.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
I think
thats a true possibility. However our Dlin isn’t near complete. you need to be 4 deep at DT to really feel comfortable at all. I think Berry gots skillzzzzzz though.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 9, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
me thinks
if STL goes Suh, then we for sure are gonna get Berry, if STL goes a QB or (lets hope) McCoy, then its a very complicated situation, and the best thing to do would be to move down
The beginning of the end of the misery
Four deep?!?!?!?
Four starters deep? Because I’m just wondering which team in the NFL has a four starters in their DT rotation? LOL
JF
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by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 9, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
no lol like 4 DT's that
can rotate cosistantly. you ussually have 7-8-9 guys sharing snaps at Dline if you include backers that line up in a 3 point stance.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Mar 9, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the endorsement of Corey Williams by someone who has seen a lot of him firsthand!
We have not forgotten the 7-8 sacks per year that Corey Williams brought to our defense. Adding Vanden Bosch just makes it better yet.
Our defense is actually a 2-gap 4-3 where the “GIANT DT’s” diagnose, plug holes in the running game, and draw-double teams in the passing game, freeing up blitzers to get to the QB untouched. Stopping the run won’t be a problem. It’s a lot like when we had “Big Daddy” Dan Wilkinson and “Big Baby” Sean Rogers as our starting DT’s. We had one of the best run D’s in the league then. 320 LB Corey Williams and 330 LB Sammie Lee Hill should have no problems stopping the run in a 2-gap 4-3 defense.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
I didn't know that about Detroit's D. Thanks for the info.
I guess that leaves you with the question, do you draft a DT with the #2 overall pick to play part time or do you draft elsewhere for a guy that plays full time?
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
Sammie Lee Hill will be coming off the bench...
The DL will be:
- Hunter
- Suh
- Williams
- KVB
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
Brilliant question, Jabooty!
I guess that leaves you with the question, do you draft a DT with the #2 overall pick to play part time or do you draft elsewhere for a guy that plays full time?
Exactly. Do you draft Suh to be a backup, or do you draft Berry to be a starter? Add in that Suh MAYBE fits our 2-gap 4-3, but Berry PERFECTLY fit this blitzing defense with “mirrored” Delmas-clones at Left Safety/Right Safety, and it becomes more obvious. There is debate over whether Suh or Berry is the BPA, but Berry is clearly the BPA who FITS. And Schwartz has said he wants the BPA who FITS. He’s always talking about FIT.
“You can get mileage out of (such an older player) as long as you have a very specific role in mind for him and he fits in your scheme.”
We have to make good decisions for this team, let’s not try to judge ourselves against anybody else, other than ourselves. Make good decisions and put the pieces in place that fit what WE want to do, that fit OUR philosophy.
You need to make sure you make good decisions, make sure players fit
“We drafted players who fit what we do”
So you want to be able to get somebody that’s young enough, that fits your scheme
"We try to rank the players and how they fit best from a coaching staff standpoint.
The Lions will take the BPA who FITS……..Eric Berry.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Yeah, Millen drafted for need, or because he was drunk, or had a WR fetish, or whatever
Schwartz and Mayhew are NOT Millen. Don’t even try to compare Schwartz to Millen. Schwartz has said over and over what he wants for THIS team. I believe in Schwartz.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
lets look at it this way:
whats the point of drafting a player that doesn’t fit your scheme??? Ya, you got talent, but you cant use it…it would be like getting a nice new Mercerdes coupe, but you live in the mountains, where there are no paved roads. Berry fits the need and has the talent, which makes him the ideal candidate.
The beginning of the end of the misery
Thanks for "getting it"!
I like that Mercedes analogy.
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Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
LOL... I was calling YOU millen.....LOL....
Your mind was made up before the combine….LMAO!!!!
by CLF on Mar 9, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Why? Do you make your decisions based only on the Combine?
The Combine is only one piece of the puzzle. I made up my mind based on game tape that I saw on TV and online before the Combine…….that’s a bad thing now? The Combine results merely confirmed it. I haven’t seen anything lately that changes my mind on this….quite the opposite, in fact. Like latif says,
whats the point of drafting a player that doesn’t fit your scheme??? Ya, you got talent, but you cant use it…it would be like getting a nice new Mercerdes coupe, but you live in the mountains, where there are no paved roads. Berry fits the need and has the talent, which makes him the ideal candidate.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
It just seems to me
That if Berry wasn’t the mark in the first round we would be out there trying like hell to get Sharper in here for a year or 2. And I have not herd that we are even asking him to come for a visit, But then again I didn’t here squat about either CB’s that we recently got until Sean posted it. I still think Berry is going to be our guy but once again I would be just as happy with Kong at the #2 pick and I would actually be disappointed if we took Okung or McCoy with the #2.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Right on Davis
JF
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by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 10, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Your posts have gotten pretty predictable GR...
That I can read the 1st sentence and know it’s yours without looking at the sig. lol.
We read you—-understand you—-hear you—-catch your point—-understand your case—-feel your passion—-etc, etc. You like Berry #2 and that’s cool.
Frankly, if MM and Jimmy think that way too, then I am all on board with it.
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
???
You think Cliff Avil is not going to start over Hunter ??? I HIGHLY doubt that.
Joey
Without starting a fight with you cause I like Avril also. Hunter out performed Avril by alot last year and with some help on that line this year he may very well keep that spot on the end this year. What has Avril done since being here? Like I stated on a different thred, he has a flash here or a flash there but then becomes invisible and gets pushed around quite a bit. But who did he have inside getting pressure up the middle in the last 2 years???? No one, so we cant really even judge what we have in Avril until this year but to me he seems a lot like Kalimba Edwards, a spot player that should not have a starting spot.Maybe with some bodies on the inside Avril can use that speed to get around the end like Freeny does for the Colt’s.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Yea Hunter was the best DE we had last year.
By a lot. He’s great against the run, a solid pass rusher, and putting him opposite KVB with Avril rotating in will be very nice combination of DE’s. Now we get SUH and the d-line is one of the best in the league.
Perfectly said GRL
JF
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by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 9, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
In order of preference
Suh – Berry – Okung – McCoy
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
please no McCoy
I bet Chris Houston could stop the run better if he put on 30 lbs
The beginning of the end of the misery
I doubt it
The Bringers of Hope: Stafford - Delmas - C. Johnson - Pettigrew - Levy - Hill - Schwartz
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Mar 9, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
He had more bench reps than McCoy, lol
Just like Kyle Wilson.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Why does everyone like Berry....
…..so much more the Earl Thomas?…..My guess is that you all listen to the talking heads on TV and dont watch the film…..I mean yes berry is good but Thomas is just a smidge better…..Id say take Suh with the number 2 pick hands down.
You KNOW I never "listen to the talking heads on TV"........that's what McCoy/Suh supporters do, listen to the talking heads and their McCoy/Suh hype
I watch the PICTURES on TV, the ones that show Berry playing better than Earl Thomas, the ones that show eric Berry as a special player that fits THIS defense PERFECTLY, “BPA who FITS”.
It’s hilariously ironic, with the huge tidal wave of OMG Suh!/OMG McCoy! hype going on right now on TV, that someone would actually make the argument that Berry fans only like him because of TV hype.
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Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
I agree
All of the hype is focused on Suh and McCoy…..you hardly hear anything about Berry these days.
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+1
Hey, i dont even have ESPN, so I dont listen to talking heads. I watch games, and see who looks better. Thomas has all the tools required to be a solid NFL saftey, but watch the film…where Berry seperates himself from Thomas is the instinctiveness. I guess part of it comes from him playing corner before, but he is much more instinctive, Thomas doesnt show that
The beginning of the end of the misery
Exactly.......I like Thomas, but Berry is SPECIAL
It’s like the difference between a very good running back and Barry Sanders. Barry was a special RB. Eric Berry is a special safety.
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
No, like this guy..........
and this guy……….
and this guy………..
and this guy
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Dont blame me, blame the rookie contracts........it happens at a lot of positions......that's why we don't have an NFL labor contract
Don’t you read the newspapers?
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The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Apparently you don't...
You just ranted above how you don’t listen to talking heads and don’t even have ESPN. How can you claim to know so much and hear so little? So 2+2=3?
all hurt in 2009-2010, alot of money to give to a safety. But i agree that Berry has that polish/raw athleticsm combo that Earl Thomas doesnt have yet.
by momentumchange on Mar 10, 2010 4:35 AM EST up reply actions
Somebody has to........the mindless lemmings in the media aren't helping
If the lemmings in the media get any more mindless, they’ll qualify to be undead minions of Al Davis.
Can you hear them moaning? Suuuuuh!
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Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Are those the same guys that...
aren’t willing to make a rookie the highest paid safety in the league? If so, they’re smarter than they look.
by CLF on Mar 9, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
It's a bad sign when you side with the zombies
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Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
You know I wont Drew!
Again Drew, You were Right and We were wrong about Stafford last year. . . YEAHHHHHHHH Drew you got 1 right! Pat Pat Pat that’s for your back bro.I am still wanting Berry even BEFORE Grlion and Kdawg wanted him.Look back at last years rants by me after draft day when I said that Berry and Mays were going to be better picks this year, I was on their bandwagons from before. But even after saying that I would be just as HAPPY if we took KONG.I would be very disappointed if we took Okung or McCoy thou. They are not even the best players in their position. Okung could be but there is others out there that 1 could make arguements for saying that they are better.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Damn Davis, you're on a roll since I last been on
JF
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by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 10, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
And if Berry is the pick?
Will you be AWOL? Drews?
JF
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by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 10, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Probably not Lions
Drew is a very good guy if you don’’t know, he just likes to make sure that everyone here knows he called for the drafting of Stafford last year….He He He, And Drew actually has alot of very good posts here at the POD. I’m just saying, I don’t always agree with Drew, but I don’t agree with alot of what’s said here. Especially when it comes to this guy being compared to that guy. I can see both Berry and Suh being STARS this year in the NFL and the other top guys doing very good referring to McCoy/Baluga/Okung/Mays, even a couple of others that have got NO play from us just because we can not possibly take a DE at the 2 spot over these guys.And I have to make up for lost time since I had to get my internet turned off during the hollidays.I love talking Lions, and I love ALLLLLL my POD family! Even you Ralphie!!!!!! lmao.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I like you a lot, davis...
but I’m not sure where you’re coming from with this “he just likes to make sure that everyone here knows he called for the drafting of Stafford last year” thing? I have been very careful NOT to do that. In fact… only until this whole thing with LRA and GRLion started a few weeks ago… I have not once talked about me being right about Stafford.
Now I can tell you REALLY don't read my comments....
I’ll say it one more time… just for you LRA… I LIKE ERIC BERRY!!!!!!
I would be happy as hell with him in our secondary. I’ve said that like a million times. My problem in the last few weeks are those people (like you) that won’t even listen to the other side of the argument and continue to spew this ridiculous “Suh doesn’t FIT” crap every five seconds. It’s also the “everyone who doesn’t love Berry as much as me and GRLion is an idiot” schtick. I will be here before, during and after the draft… happy that we just got a good player added to our roster. Geez……
I was just messin on that one lol
But like the heated response
JF
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by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 10, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Me too Drew
You said it 1 time that I’m aware of but I was just razzing you.You should know I was fooling. When I’m serious I start with the name calling and I don’t think I’ve ever did that with you bro. Usually I am quite enlightened with most of your posts between you and most of us here, I usually learn something that I was close about but didn’t have it totally right. So please don’t ever take me literally my “caption picture” says ALOT about me.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Just a reminder
We drafted Delmas in the 2nd round last year. He was our 3rd pick after Stafford and Pettigrew. This year’s draft is deeper at the CB position than last year, so I have no problem taking Suh first, and getting a damn good corner with the 34th pick, i.e. Wilson, Robinson.
Good Call
Might as well chalk out Eric Berry unless you want him or Delmas to play Strong Safety. Wow, this is a great tool for getting another team’s perspective on things and seeing their direction. If you’re going to get a CB though, you are better off trading down or drafting one in the 2nd Round.
So it looks like the majority of you guys are in favor of drafting DT Ndamakong Suh if he falls or OT Russell Okung.
"No player is greater than a team."
-Vince Lombardi
I think Delmas and Berry both......
are perfectly capable of playing right or left safety, as that is how we utilize them. there is no FS or SS in our defense.
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
KDawg speaks truth!
That’s what Schwartz does. That’s what he did in Tenessee with Chris Hope and Michael Griffin. That’s what he wants…..interchangable “mirrored” safeties and OLB’s. That’s his baby.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Are you sure KDawg is not a conspirator?
I think he might be a double-agent that is agreeing with you only to throw you off track so you think you have allies but you really don’t and then in the end he will reveal himself as the ultimate of football false prophets and laugh incessently as he purchases the very first Suh jersey from detroitlions.com… ****takes deep breath****
LOL…………………………….
lmao Drew.
Please if you want to talk about allies please also talk about the AXIS that you are trying to be!
How many lumps you want Doc?
Axis? lol.....
I’m just playin’ devil’s advocate here, my friend. I am surely part of no conspiracy or secret evil force trying to prevent the selection of Eric Berry. As I have said many, many times, I like Berry and would be fine with the Lions picking him. I just think that GRLion has gone SOOOOO far overboard with the Berry man-crush and I’m-so-right-about-everything schtick, that I just HAVE to interject some comedy into it.
aaww Drew I was hoping
you caught on to the sarcasm there……You know I respect your thoughts and opinions just as much as anyone else’s here.The F-d up thing is the more I want Suh and Berry the more that I think Okung/Baluga is going to be our pick at the 2 spot just to protect Staff. We just can’t afford to let him get creamed again this year and turn into another Joey Harrington (happy feet), That would crush my spirits more than anything.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I think we're waiting for an equally intelligent response from a factual standpoint
Because damn near everything GRL has “spewed” can be traced back to a Schwartz or Mayhew comment or can be traced back to 20 Detroit Lions games from last season that he actually paid attention to. It’s really not that hard to see the defensive scheme and how Berry SHOULD be ahead of Suh on JS and MMs draft board. Any kind of real comprehension of our defense and team points to Berry.
JF
Louis Delmas, Eric Berry, Kyle Wilson and Chris Houston - 313 Missile Squadron - Seek and Destroy!
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by Lions Rant Artist on Mar 10, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree
BUT, there is also 2 other safeties that could play in our sytem that should be there when we draft in the second round, And my front runner would be Mayes. I mean like I said somewhere, There is about 4 or 5 DT’s in this draft that I would be happy to see as Lions, And there are 3 (real) safeties that I also would love to see in HBAS. In terms of LT’s i really want us to stay away from the top 2-3 because I truely don’t see 1 that far ahead of the other 2, just like last years LT’s, No one is standing out heads and shoulders above the rest like Jake Long did the year the Dolphins grabed him,or Pace all those years ago, Bacelli was again heads and shoulders above the rest and I just don’t see that with this years LT’s.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Ummm... LRA?
Are you trying to tell me that GRLion is the only one here that watched the games and has any football knowledge? GR is taking some major liberties with Schwartz’s and Cunningham’s quotes. I’ve seen and read them all. To think that Suh doesn’t FIT because he’s not exactly 325 lbs is ludicrous. He plays bigger and stronger than his weight, which allows him to retain his quickness and agility while being strong against the run as well. Once again I ask… how does that not FIT in Detroit???
I’m sorry that you don’t think I have any “real comprehension of our defense” or of the Lions, for that matter. Just for the record… I’ll go toe-to-toe with you or GR anytime in a football/Lions debate.
Seriously I can see 1 of 5 guys
being taken with the 2 pick that would come in and fit right in, in our system, And behind those 5 guys I can can see roughly 3 guys that have similar skills at each position that also will come in here and be very productive.
How many lumps you want Doc?
LOL
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Curses DREW!!!! Foiled AGAIN!!!
LMAO!
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv would very much like to have a Suh jersey!
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
Or a Berry Jersey,,,,,or a Stafford Jersey.....or ANY GD JERSEY!!!
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
Well,
The lions really dont have a FS and SS system. In our system, the field is split in half, and each saftey does his own thing on his half, so its not really an argument of whether or not Berry is a FS or an SS…really he is a combination of both, though I think he is bit more of a coverage safety.
The beginning of the end of the misery
+1
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
Trading down
I personally think that our moves have almost guaranteed that we will be trading down. Granted, we have to find a partner, but I think the FO might take an offer that doesn’t match the value chart, just to get more picks. Unless we don’t get any reasonable offers, I doubt that we will keep the #2 pick. Reasonable being the key word – in a deep draft, you can take less “value” for that high pick in order to get more good players and pay each one less, but adding more overall talent to your team.
Trading down can't be "guaranteed"
It’s a long shot at best… always will be when you are in the top five. Would they? Sure. Can they? Most likely not.
SUH or Berry
I am happy either way
The best there is, The best there was, and the best there ever will be - Bret the Hitman hart
If we stay at 2
I would take Berry he is gonna be a hall of fame type of player. Suh has a history of injurys to the kness and Mccoy was not impressive in the combine that i thought a player needs to be at #2. I do think he will be a good player just not a # 2 type of player. I vote Berry.
In my ideal world...
They would be able to trade down a few spots and snag an extra pick or two, though it’s not realistic enough to put any honest hope into.
It is my (admittedly minority) opinion that the offensive line should still be addressed before the defensive line from a ‘need’ perspective, so Okung would be my pick. The staff (and some fans) can spew man-love for Backus all they want, but I personally believe he could be replaced and move over to Guard.. essentially drastically improving both the LT and LG positions (and protecting the new golden boy) with a single draft pick.
That being said, I don’t really have any qualms with seeing them go the best available route either, if they don’t think it’s Okung.
Suh, McCoy, and Berry are all above-average prospects and each would be a significant upgrade to the Lions at their given positions, so I feel good about this draft no matter which way they go.
What if .....
Detroit picked Berry to play CB and in the 2nd round picked up C. Robinson and in the 3rd picked up M. Rolle to play safety ????
Myron Rolle
is not somebody you want to draft that high. Besides the fact that he didn’t do well at the combine, he has already let it be known that he’s more interested in becoming a neurosurgeon or whatever the hell he was studying with his Rhodes scholarship. The only reason he’s going in the draft is because he knows he’s gonna get a big paycheck. I highly doubt this guy will still be playing in the league by the time he’s 28. He even told ESPN that he’s afraid of continuing to play football because of the long term effects that it has on your mind. I think using a 3rd rounder on him would be a mistake.
+1
And a 4.68 in the 40 is waaaaaaaay slower than what Schwartz wants at safety.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Hey, as long as Zack Follett keeps hitting people, he can rap to Barney the Dinosaur for all I care.
He's a safety, not a corner.
He doesn’t have to blaze. For someone who downplays the combine, you should know that there is a difference between straight-line speed and football game speed.
Wow drew
You sure are trying to pick a fight with GRlion and Kdawg. I know that all 3 of you are knowlegdable, but you really seem to be going out of the way here. Yes yes we 3 kings are all about wanting Berry and you are all about Suh with alot of the others, can you agree that these 2 players are the best 2 prospects coming out at least. And if you say Okung my opinion of you just dropped a lot.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Davis, Davis, Davis....
You are reading FAR too much into my comments. I’m certainly not trying to pick a fight. Am I instigating GRLion’s comical approach to all things Eric Berry… guilty. I’m just saying that there are different approaches to this thing. When GRLion is so certain that Myron Rolle wouldn’t FIT the Lion’s defense just because of a slow 40 time… I just have to laugh. He is a good player and the Lions adding him next to Delmas would be a good prospective safety tandem. The fact that he just shuts the conversation down at the mere mention of an option other than Berry gets more and more laughable by the day… to me, at least.
Please don’t take all of my comments so seriously. I’m just egging on GRLion’s black and white stance on everything that doesn’t include Eric Berry. C’mon… don’t tell me that you don’t find it at least a little funny?
lmao Drew,
And for you Motown: MAYS MAYS MAYS!!!! ha ha ha. I think he would be just as comperable in the second round if he made it that far. Those are the 2 safeties that I wanted last year before we drafted Delmas and my opinion of both of them has not changed a year later. Although Mayes was not as good this last year as he was with all those pro-drafted players the year before. I think Mayes was exposed as second best without all those guys up front last year.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Maybe...
Were we pick him is based off what picks other teams would take him at. That being said ,if we can get him in a lower round then fine. I think he goes late 2nd or early 3rd round. Regaurdless i think he is gonna play longer then that and is going to be a heck of player. All reports and interviews I have hurd ,have him saying he will play for 10-12 years or as long as his body and talent let him.
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