POLL: Who won the Sims-Scheffler trade?
by n4ry4 on Apr 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT
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Who came away with the best value in the three-way trade?
S E V E N T Y - F I V E W O R D S ?
S E V E N T Y - F I V E W O R D S ?
S E V E N T Y - F I V E W O R D S ?
S E V E N T Y - F I V E W O R D S ?
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Two words
Two words
Two thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
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philly got the best deal
I still am not buying needing scheffler or a TE at all. Hope I am proven wrong but I like Ernie.
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass.
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yes i do
how many teams carry 4 TEs?
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass.
God Help Me I love this stuff !..(HBK describing DX)
by The Profiler on Apr 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Chicago has 6
Green Bay has 5
Minnesota has 4
Indy has 5
Arizona has 4
by Curse of Bobby Layne 50 Years Strong on Apr 19, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
you have a ridiculously long name sir.
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by GhostManOnThird on Apr 19, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The Current Active TE's on the Lions Roster
(Cut Before Regular Season)
Dan Gronkowski
Michael Matthews
Jake Nordin
( a combined 3 catches for 30 yards)
(Keepers)
Brandon Pettigrew (30 catches for 346 yards 2 tds)
Will Heller, 7 seasons (Career 65 catches 553 yards 10 tds)
Tony Scheffler, 6 seasons (career 138 catches for 1896 yards 14 tds)
Litsen even if we take one more TE as a security for pettigrews knee.
How does a blocking te (heller) hybrid te (pettigrew) and pass catching te (scheffler) hurt the offense
Everyone’s being a negative nancy and ignoring the fact we picked up a STRONG offensive weapon helping the developing Matthew Stafford.
You liked Ernie, Great, this is a what have you done for me lately business, and the answer for Ernie was not much.
Also, I highly doubt Pettigrew cares whatsoever with the choice. No one cares about that factor when talking about acquiring other players so knock it off.
I think schefflers a good TE let me point that out right now
I just think drafting a TE later would have been a better alternative. Also I highly doubt gronk will be cut already. I think He will help stafford I love developing QBs have solid TEs for goal lines and check downs. I think its just a double edge sword though. We have helped are growing offense but hurt are questionable defense. This is my opinion last I heard we were all entiltled to one. Also I highly doubt pettigrew has NO opinion. when was the last time a player had someone drafted or traded at his position who is a starter not had an opinion. If pettigrew likes him that great I would just like to know what HE thinks not what he is suppose to think. I know ernie hasn’t done much of late but he is a starting linebacker we had what seemed like a great corp together than foote left now we lose Sims. Linebacker is now instead of a strong point a GIANT question mark.
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass.
God Help Me I love this stuff !..(HBK describing DX)
by The Profiler on Apr 19, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this might be addition by subtraction for the Lions.
Obviously the Lions staff did not feel that Ernie was getting it, so by taking him out of the picture they must feel that they can really upgrade that position either internally [Levy, other?] or in the draft [Daryl Washington?].
Because of Levy’s versatility they might also look at a MLB if one falls far enough.
i dont like this trade
1st rd SUHHHH 2nd rd Kyle wilson 3rd RD RB best available
by DetroitLions 4 life on Apr 19, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions
+1
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass.
God Help Me I love this stuff !..(HBK describing DX)
by The Profiler on Apr 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Peterson-Levy-Follet
Your 2010 Detroit Lions Linebacker Corps…and I don’t mind that one bit!
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
well grew is down and Heller is pretty good (blocking and emerging pass catchin TE ) but Schef is another huge weapon… there were TE’s in the draft but schef is proven.. with him and Grew (both short to med pass) paired along with CJ (long bomb) a scary thought… now resign R. Sims and Schef asap (lock out 2011 so there may not be a hurry)
btw were the sim’s related?
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
We get a proven pass catching tight end AND a 7th round pick
in exchange for Ernie. That’s a great deal for us since ernie obviously didn’t fit into our plans AND we need a pass catching tight end.
And NO, the Sims were not related.
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
PS> I think Sheffler gives us MORE on offense
than sims benefits on defense.
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
seems to petti
was really statring to show up in the passing game before he got hurt. I think scheffler is actually sending a negative message to him. If it was me I’d see as "Hey your getting better but this guys is better so were gonna go in a diffrent direction.
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass.
God Help Me I love this stuff !..(HBK describing DX)
by The Profiler on Apr 19, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be a good thing!
nothing brings out the best in a competitor than competition. If he crawls into a hole because of a little competition then he wasn’t going to make it anyway.
Montana flourished with Young behind him, and Young flourished with Bono behind him.
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
It's not like that
Linehan loves to use two TE sets. Pettigrew is a very good in the short to intermediate routes, but he isn’t great at getting vertical and stretching the defense. He doesn’t have elite TE speed to strech the field. Turns out that’s exactly what Scheffler is good at. These two compliment each other extremely well for what Linehan wants to do.
You combine that with CJ providing a deep threat and Burleson providing the short/intermediate threat at WR and there so many ways Linehan can put pressure on opposing teams defenses to defend the whole field.
I do love the fact that CJ should finally start to open up now
If we can get johnson open for once boy Look out!. I have no problems really adding this guy to the offense its the lost of a starting linebacker that I hate.
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass.
God Help Me I love this stuff !..(HBK describing DX)
by The Profiler on Apr 19, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I suspect it's like Schwartz said earlier......they need to find ways to open up the pass game, so we can get the ball to Calvin
Two thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Schwartz talked about it when Mayhew signed Nate Burleson
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2010/03/lions_jim_schwartz_nate_burles.html
“We have a specific role in mind for him,’’ Schwartz said of Burleson. "This is a unique offense from a standpoint of having a weapon like Calvin Johnson and a quarterback like Matt Stafford.
“We need to round that out. We need to round it out with another guy who can make a play and a guy who can move the chains for us and who can make defenses pay when they want to triple coverage Calvin Johnson and try to take him out of the game. We saw that last year. This is the first step to making sure we don’t see those kinds of defenses again.’’
The first step. Now we just saw the latest step.
Listen to what Schwartz says…..firsthand, unfiltered.
Two thirds of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
Honorary Driver of the Kyle Wilson Bus and Keeper of the Dreadlocks!
The 313 Missile Squadron: Delmas, Berry, Wilson, Houston......seek and destroy!
Or, they could be sending the message
Hey, we know your knee got totally wrecked. We really value you, and don’t want you to rush yourself back and potentially shorten your career. Take your time, and you’ll have a starting spot when you’re ready. Meanwhile, learn from this talented one-year veteran.
the lions
got the best player, got rid of an underachiever, and got A 7TH ROUNDER!!!!
scheffler was becoming a premier TE before JMD got there. im glad we can, for the most part, agree that denver got hosed.
as far as pettigrew goes, if he wants to be the #1 TE, work for it. if he cant handle this, then why would we want to continue to coddle lesser players?
Help me out haywood
Please define “premier”. Just curious!
Um if a guy can look good with Cutler and Orton as his QB
then Staff is going to look awesome with him and Grew. What you guys are not thinking about is this move also gives us another look that can be deadly, the 2 TE set is going to be deadly for us to not only run out of but pass out of. Look at Manning in Indy when he had his 2 TE set, the bears had the same thing going for a minute, and did pretty darn good. this trade is going to stop all of the front 4 players in our division when both guys are out there. It’s going to give Staff another weapon and help out the run game in more ways than we can think about. Oh we are going to run to the right, shift both TE’s to one side of the field and throw our FB at the same spot, hole should open up for whoever is the RB. And out of the same formation all we have to do is let both TE’s release one breaks to the middle and one on a out route and BOOM Megatron down the sideline in a 1 on 1 situation, cause the Safeties are going to have to respect both our TE’s now. I think this trade works out best for the Lions and Eagles since they needed a younger LB, I’m just curious who is going to get Eddie Royal from Denver, Minn or GB? Talk about self imploding, Denver went from being on the cusp of real good to. . . .Who the hell do we have anymore????
How many lumps you want Doc?
Why are a lot of people saying that we are already giving up on Grew????
I mean sure he is injured and there are reports that his recovery is going well. Grew and Scheffler are opposites in that grew is more of a complete TE while Scheffler is more of a recieving TE like Fitz but way better. They are not giving UP on Grew after one season, this is insurance against injuries that will happen over the season and now we have Grew and Scheffler as starting 2 TE set and have Heller as GREAT depth and Gronkowski to ease his way in possibily. This is all about giving Staff more weapons.
by Liontotheextreme on Apr 19, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
Don't feel like reading 250 comments
so I’ll ask it here. Does this bring someone like Brandon Spikes into the mix and move Levy to the outside?
I think it makes a starting spot for Follett
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Apr 19, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Zakarian jersey time.
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by GhostManOnThird on Apr 19, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I just pray to god Follett is good enough to be a starting LB
If not, I’m gonna be upset about this move for a while. I’m really trying to have faith in Mayhew, but I’m not sure how a backup TE, a position that already has low value, can possibly be more valuable to us then a starting LB. Mayhew, PLEASE prove me wrong. Please.
I dont feel like Scheffler is really a back up
I think he is more of a 1a…we will see Grew and Him on the field together a lot…plus, with 2 TEs on the field you can go with no fullback or the can double team a tough DE…a second complimentary TE is very valuable and I feel like we will really enjoy what Tony brings to the Offense.
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Apr 19, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You may be right, Cap.
And I really hope that I’m overreacting to the whole situation. I’ve felt every move Mayhew has made this offseason ended up with us being the clear cut winner, but I’ve got a bad feeling about this one. I get the feeling that finally playing behind a decent D-line (which Ernie would’ve had this year in Detroit) would allow him to excel. I’m hoping I’m wrong.
to reiterate
Brandon Pettigrew (30 catches for 346 yards 2 tds)
Will Heller, 7 seasons (Career 65 catches 553 yards 10 tds)
Tony Scheffler, 6 seasons (career 138 catches for 1896 yards 14 tds)
Sounds exactly like me
Scheffs a good tight end but I really had high hopes for ernie to finally turn around this year. I am having a very hard time buying into this move. I have loved at all up until this point. Hopefully thursday will change all that.
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass.
God Help Me I love this stuff !..(HBK describing DX)
by The Profiler on Apr 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i was thinking...
the same thing.
Follett / Dizon at the MIKE (Dizon/Levy in cover situations). With his ST play, Follett has earned a serious look for our defensive team. I wonder how versatile Levy can be (and remain productive). He might be called to play both MLB/OLB.
Levy, Peterson, and draft pick for OLBs.
Possible but also possible that...
…we convert Cliff Avril to OLB (he’s got the size for it and I keep hearing “He can’t hold up on the run at the DL”) while keeping Levy in the middle and hoping Petersen holds up another year.
by Mister Gloom on Apr 19, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I wrong or didn't cliff try to play LB in college before?
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass.
God Help Me I love this stuff !..(HBK describing DX)
by The Profiler on Apr 19, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Bulluck is going to play ILB (until he gets hurt)
And Levy is taking over Simms spot. Take it to the BANK! This FO knows that we are going to get Bulluck just like last year when we knew Foote was coming here prior to the draft.
How many lumps you want Doc?
levy stays at mlb...will draft/sign olb
either way…denver was mayhewed plain & simple…philly & lions both done good here folks.
Well
Someone on the other thread told me that this was the last year for Ernie Sim’s contract, and maybe the FO thought they couldn’t bring him back next season, so they dumped him for whatever they could get.
The beginning of the end of the misery
That's probably the most logical explanation I've heard yet
Because none of the other reasons I’ve heard make much sense to me.
It's all over ESPN
ESPN “on the clock” special and NFL Live they all were talking about how we knew we were not going to resign him and we got the best available offer for him prior to the draft. I think we could have gotten better than a 7th from Denver thou.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I think Sims might play well in Philly
So I’ll give them the nod. But I think we done well as well. Denver were the losers.
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I think we have to see who that #5 pick in Denver is to really judge yet.
Just like the Northcutt trade, we really will not know the true answers for several years. For all we know Sims could be even worse in their defense than in ours, Sheffler could blow himself up playing with dynamite and matches, his favorite past time that no one knew about, and Denver could draft Tom Brady, or Matt Cassells a round earlier than McDaniels was used to drafting his superstar quarterbacks in New England.
Avril at linebacker? I don't know Purdue moved him from LB to DE, he does have some experience at LB though
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/cliff-avril?id=1330
Some teams have projected Avril as a rush end, but due to his lack of bulk and size, he could shift back to strong-side linebacker. Much like Shaun Phillips, Avril relies on his impressive foot speed and ability to shed blocks on the move to be a constant nuisance in the backfield. Since moving to defensive end two seasons ago, Avril registered 30 of his 35.5 tackles behind the line of scrimmage and 12.5 of his 13 sacks from the left end position.
More research
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Avril
Avril then attended Purdue University where he started 12 games at strong-side linebacker and 23 at left defensive end.
More research
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=1458
Cliff Avril was one of several Big Ten prospects to show up at the NFL Combine and show that he was far more athletic than anticipated. Avril ran a 4.51 40 yard dash, which was one of the fastest times by a front seven defender. He managed just 17 reps on the bench press, but Avril showed off his athleticism during the other combine events. Avril has moved up draft boards and will likely go at the end of round two or the top of round three. Cliff Avril solidified his draft status at Purdue’s pro day in West Lafayette. Avril looked good running position drills as both a defensive end and as an outside linebacker. Avril also displayed a 36 1/2 inch vertical leap. He also got a chance to display his change of direction speed in the short shuttle, finishing it in 4.31 seconds. Avril will be drafted in the mid-to-late second round.
More research
http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/042708aaa.html
“Cliff showed what kind of player he is by switching positions his junior year,” Purdue head coach Joe Tiller said. “He was a good linebacker and worked hard to make himself a good defensive end, and was the ultimate team guy. He also was a great leader for us, and we wish him all the best in Detroit.”
Conclusion on Avril moving to LB.
Though I think it is feasible and would trust a move like this if the Coach decides to do it, I think we have too much invested in him at DE. Honestly he is a good player that has a lot of trade value and if he does not fit in our system, like Ernie we should trade him for someone who fits our system rather than trying to move a square peg from a round hole to a triangle hole.
Something else about our newest Lion
He is going to be our Dallas Clark, there are few if any LB’s that can cover him, and he is EVERY safety’s nightmare, the guy can flat out play, I thought he was the second best offencive player on Denvers roster for the last 2 to 3 years. We did very well in this trade.
How many lumps you want Doc?
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