My Draft
by JMW62689 on Apr 2, 2010 4:44 PM EDT
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PrintThere are still a couple of moves the Lions can make. I think that Rob Sims will end up here in Detroit. And i also believe that the Lions are going to wait until after the Draft to make an assessment on Adam Jones and, yes a surprising one, Kieth Bulluck. I am very pleased with the moves that Mayhew has made so far, i think Kyle Vanden Bosch,Corey Williams, and Chris Houston will all have a good contribution to this team on Defense and i think Nate Burleson is going to be a great option opposite Calvin Johnson, it also help us to make Bryant Johnson a weapon in the Endzone, a guy who because of his size could be used as a deep threat or a huge body in the Endzone . I think we do have a somewhat good chance of trading down from the 2nd overall pick, but i still don't think it will happen, but the odds are better than they were.
Ok here are the guys i would draft.
RD 1: Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma- Very unpopular pick here, but here is why i make it. I do not believe he will be a bust and i believe he is a much better compliment to the DTs on the team now than Ndamakong Suh is. I also don't like the fact that Suh has had knee problems in the past. McCoy has more upside i believe and is a year younger. Also for you people out there who think the pick should be Eric Berry. Eric Berry is a great Safety yes, but we have Delmas back there already and don't need 2 superstar Safetys we just need a great compliment. Look i rate Eric Berry number 5 in my Draft board for the Lions (McCoy,Suh,Williams,Okung,Berry) the top 3 Defensive Tackles are all freaks and are rated as better players than Berry a lot of the time. Also, i think we have a tendency to look at Best Athlete Available rather than Best Player Available.
RD 2: Ryan Matthews RB Fresno State- Yes i know a lot of people say he is just a Homerun hitter, I however disagree. I think he is strong enough to run between the tackles and is also quick enough to hit the outside. I am not a fan of Javid Best at all, i don't think he is tough enough to play between the tackles at all. I also think the Lions are hoping Kyle Wilson or Sean Witherspoon is here when they pick, i just don't know if thats going to happen (If neither is there Bulluck and Jones i perdict will be signed) Earl Thomas if he drops is a strong possibility too.
RD 4: Vladimir Ducasse OG/OT UMass- I think you Draft this guy and have him and Cherilus battle it out in Training Camp for RT and then move the Loser to Right Guard, the move Peterman to the Left side or a backup role. Both Cherilus and Ducasse are Haitian, i think they could develop a good chemistry because of that, which i think espesially on the Offensive Line is a very positive thing.
RD 4: Barry Church SS Toledo- Second year in a row the Lions draft a Safety from the MAC Conference.
RD 5: Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss- I think he will be a Steal here
(I believe we will get another 5th or 4th round pick through a trade or something and take that Kentucky FB they have had in for Visits)
RD 7: Jonathon Crompton QB Tennessee- A Backup QB to compete with Drew Stanton
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Ryan Matthews
I don’t believe he’ll be there. And while he is good, I will take this time to say I’m a Dwyer fan.
Earl Thomas in the 2nd? NO way. I feel like he will be better than Berry. Not that it matters how I feel or like I know what will happen. I just KNOW Thomas won’t drop that far at all. I’ll be surprised if slips past 17.
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P.S. I don't mean to sound like I'm saying to take Dwyer at our 2nd pick. Definitely not.
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by GhostManOnThird on Apr 2, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree on Matthews and Thomas
Not that Thomas is better than Berry, but that they’ll absolutely both be gone on day 1.
I disagree with Dwyer… I never like those backs from option systems…
Agree to disagree on Dwyer =)
and on Berry. Those are just my feelings, not that Berry will be a bad player at ALL. I just think we’ll see Thomas surpass him in production in the NFL. As a normal guy, I have nothing much to back my feelings, but from watching what I have of them and my gut, I’m feelin’ it baby.
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by GhostManOnThird on Apr 2, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't/doesn't Oklahoma run the option or at least quite a bit of it?
correct me if wrong.
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by GhostManOnThird on Apr 2, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Very seldom.
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
your round four pick
Vladimir Ducasse will be gone in the second round and Ryan Matthews will be gone in the first round. these guys fill the positions we need for sure, but we probally wont get any of them. What im looking for, is that one guy to fall out of the first round right into our laps. Hopefully its Pouncy, Wilson or Taylor Mays.
Taylor Mays is going in the First
He is on the rise again. My point is someone is going to fall from the first round and i think it will be a RB over a CB
10 4
hopefully best falls to us. i like him because hes compared to sanders. thats the only reason. makes people miss. what kind of run style does matthews have?
mathews
runs the way you would want a zone runner to. one cut and hard to the hole. I don’t think he’ll fall to us. Sadly I think he is Kevin Smith just a little bigger. from what ive seem atleast.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Apr 3, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I was givin
his strengths not our scheme. and every team in the NFL runs a couple zones a game for the most part.
I have a 9" personality
by Waitingfortheroar on Apr 3, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
So he would be good for a couple plays a game?
Sorry, I just don’t understand the logic of listing a strength that does not apply to the team in question.
the guy asked how he ran
I was giving my take
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by Waitingfortheroar on Apr 3, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
all good
its all shootin the ish
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by Waitingfortheroar on Apr 3, 2010 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions
only 32 picks in the first round
and DTs and OTs are at a Premium
A lot of things would have to go your way for that to happen
In saying that though, it ain’t horrible.
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Maybe...
I like McCoy but don’t see Detroit staying at #2 if we do i like him over Suh. I like Mathews at #34 and i believe we will get him, not sold on Spiller i like Mathews perfect size ,great speed and strenght.What the hell happened to 3rd rounder? I see Donovan Warren w/ pick #66 Like Hardy and Crompton but Jerry will be the 4th. Good Luck Detroit because this draft shit is giving me a headache….
I think
McCoy is a high probabillity of busting. thats just me though.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Apr 3, 2010 12:18 AM EDT reply actions
not just you either.
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
ifthelions stay at 2pick ithink they will go bpa at ot and in the 2rd bpa at dt or cb and in the 3rd bpa at rb
Ok a couple things....
1. McCoy put up 225# 23 times….. DING DING DING, RED FLAG!
2. Matthews will not be there at #34. START YOUR DRAFT OVER!!!!!
Gerald McCoy is not a bust
Matthews,Best,Witherspoon,Wilson, one of them is going to drop to the 2nd round.
also in reply to the 23 Reps
Dexter McCluster ran a 4.58 40. Lets be real here if people went on Combine performance to draft a player Lydon Murtha was a 1st round pick and so would have been Cedric Peerman, Yes i agree lets become the Raiders. If Suh reinjures his Knee it could be the end of his Career i like the fact that McCoy is a year younger and healthier and also could have the ability to put in more muscle/
23 reps, and he refused to redo it..... twice!
oh, and explain Suh’s knee problems to me, cause the way I understand it, he dosen’t have any.
Yes, please show me all the articles over the past year about his BAD knees.
Last I knew, Suh played injury free last year, and dominated. Any player in the NFL could get hurt at any time. Suhs knees are a non issue until there is some recent proof that they are an issue, and people bringing it up on blog sites don’t count.
As far as McCoy being able to add weight, last I heard Suh was 15 pounds heavier than when college ball ended. My guess, and it is only a guess, it is because he is in the gym hitting the weights, geting ready to be the dominant DT he should be in the NFL.
This arguement about McCoy being a better pick than Suh because his legs might come off at the knees is crazy.
Look Suh is a great DT an i would be thrilled if the Lions got him
I just like McCoy’s upside a lot better. To say McCoy is going to be a bust is outrageous. The Race is between McCoy,Suh and Okung with the Williams duo on the outside. The pick is going to be from that 5 most likely the first 3 and whoever we get im totally happy with, all 3 of those players will make a huge impact for our team immediately. I think we are also going to get Rob Sims in here which means Backus stays at LT meaning Okung and Williams will get thrown out of the conversation making it a race between the 3 DTs and i trust the Lions to make the right choice
Never said McCoy would bust.
IMO, he just will not be as good as Suh. Suh loves to play the game and be the best he can be. The 15 pounds he has added tells me he is working out and getting ready for the NFL, on his own. ( Unless he is taking the year off and keeping the dounut shops in business, but I doubt that.)
If you think McCoy is better then Suh, I am good with that. You think he has better up side, better technique, faster first step, thats cool. We agree to disagree. Just don’t use the knee injury as an excuse. Its a non issue from the past with no linguring effects.
The Knee Injury
I agree its not an issue right now. My fear is that if he injures his knee again it will take longer to recover and if he will come back at full strength. Its Suh or McCoy in my mind i like Dan Williams too but McCoy and Suh are just to good to let go. Also if the Rams take Bradford and the Browns trade up to get Clausen i thin its a good possibility that McCoy could drop to us at 7 (Browns Pick we get if they trade up) and Williams will definitely be there so you would still get a dominate DT and maybe pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd
Suh's knee injury
It was during his sophmore year, and he only missed one game for it, and some spring practice….hardly a “big” injury.
These arguments against Suh are pretty stupid. Suh is a proven great player….stop looking at the numbers and start watching the tape, you will see what I mean. McCoy definitely has potential, and yes he does fit better into some defensive schemes better than Suh.
The only thing McCoy 23 reps tells me is that he won’t be an immediate impact in the NFL, but then again strength isn’t his forte to begin with.
The beginning of the end of the misery
I actually think he is going off tape, Suh has the numbers hands down.
People that are up on McCoy are so because of tape, scheme experience, and the fact that strength is the easiest fix of any negative. Suh does not have near the technique, moves, nor scheme experience McCoy has. I even heard someone on here once say Suh was better for our Scheme hahah noooooooo. Suh is the guy that was eating blocks and reading the run in college, McCoy was the guy penetrating into the backfield and disrupting the run and pass. Either way it is debatable. I like both prospects but actually think McCoy is a better fit for our defense wherre Suh may live up to the hype and be a HoF’er. Its hard to say really and I trust in Mayhew. All we can really do as fans is speculate.
I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh....LOL
Suh had more sacks than McCoy in 08, but somehow McCoy is better at penetrating and disrupting the run and the pass…forgive me, but I do not understand your brand of logic. Suh had WAY more tackles for loss than McCoy too, or in other words he was making a lot more plays BEHIND the line of scrimmage than Gerald McCoy…lol.
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+ something else
If you watched ANY games of these 2 guys, you would see that Kong would chase down people and not quit until a play was over about 85% of the time. McCoy barely ever chased down a ball carrier, once the ball was past him you could count him out of the play. Is that what you guys want out of our DT? I thought we already traded away Big Baby.
How many lumps you want Doc?
Nah I dont want McCoy, or Suh, or Berry or Okung.
I was just trying to explain the logic. I actually want us to trade down and get Trent Williams then trade back up to get 2 guys late in the first. I was thinking Kyle Wilson and Maurkice Pouncy. Its too speculative and complex be realistic but it is something like I hope for on draft day. Give up on the hyped guys and go for the A+ that is under the radar and still get another couple of A players in return. Even if we did not trade back up into the first we could get at least 2 extra 2nd rounders and I still think its worth giving up an A+ for an A and two B players. It would go a long way to making us not have to sign free agents and start rookies without them earning it.
Big time Papasmurf!
And until you get that damn cat off of your profile picture you are not going to be called EVIL by me. Find a nice picture of a spoof on smurfs. They are out there. I saw 1 that had the smurf with the tatoo on his arm(hefty?) bitch slapping smurfett.
How many lumps you want Doc?
I like this one too...
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Suh's knee problems are overstated...
…he had one surgery, a number of years ago. The second surgery was a CLEAN-UP (like, ya know, Safford had) and was not a big deal. The first surgery is an issue, but it was long enough ago that it should be in the past.
by Mister Gloom on Apr 3, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
McCoy,Suh,Williams,Williams,Okung
those guys are the Lions top 5. Eric Berry isn’t even in the conversation. You want to talk about Busts? Eric Berry has a greater chance of being a bust here in Detroit than McCoy does. If you disagree go look at our weakness in the secondary its Interceptions something Berry isn’t known for, he comes up makes his big hit and is a great Safety but we already have Delmas and i’m telling you someones production is going to drop, whether its Delmas or Berry i don’t know
the top 5 is not nessicarily in that order
and i believe C.J Spiller come up before Berry
Safety is still a need
Upgrading from DeAngelo Smith to Eric Berry is a much bigger upgrade than SLH to Suh, though I don’t disagree that 2nd pick is a bit too high for a safety. I don’t really care about the statistical production that Berry/Delmas will produce. If they can have their impact on the game, change the way offenses attack our defense, then they have done their job in my books.
There aren’t any great examples of two great safeties playing next to each other, but I think when the Pittsburgh Steelers had Chris Hope and Troy Polamlu (both Pro Bowlers) is a decent example if you wanna look at it statistically.
In ‘05-’06, and ‘06’-’07, Hope managed to put up 90+ tackle seasons while Polamalu still managed to put up a season of 92 tackles and a season of 77 tackles in 13 games, which is on pace for 90 tackles. Neither of them are the center-field type safeties that get you picks, so its useless to look at the interception numbers, but you see that you can have two great safeties in the same backfield at the same time.
The beginning of the end of the misery
Err DeAngelo Smith is a CB, most likely a NB this year for us.
You would have to look at Daniel Bullocks, Marquand Manuel, Kalvin Pearson, Ko Simpson and Marvin White who played alongside Delmas last year.
Wrong again
Eric Berry had 14 interception over 12 games prior to last season. He had 2 last season. Why? Because teams got smart and started reading where he was on EVERY play, and then throwing the ball AWAY from him. Something Eric Berry is not known for? You are out of your GD mind.
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I highly doubt
Ducasse will be there in the fourth. Most mocks I’ve seen have him going late in the second. I don’t think that San Diego is gonna let Matthews fall past them either.
thats supposed to be a 3rd
Error on my part. and a lot of Drafts see him going to the Lions in the 3rd
Roger Saffold is a safer pick than Ducasse and...
…there’s actually a better chance he’ll be available in the third round than Ducasse. Granted, you couldn’t play Saffold at RT, but he’d solve our issue at guard and be a nice long term idea to eventually take over LT.
Pass Protection...
…the issue is that run blocking will never be better than okay. His combine indicated he’s a good athlete, and most of the draft guides I’ve browsed consider him a good pass blocker. But he’ll never be better than okay as a run blocker, and I’ve always heard the school of thought that you want the road grading run blocker at RT, the pass protector at LT (ideally you want both, but you can’t always get that).
by Mister Gloom on Apr 3, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there is less of a chance
some mocks have him as high as a 1st rounder
The beginning of the end of the misery
That's a big change...
…just a few weeks ago he was listed as a 2nd to 3rd rounder. Then again…there has been more of a run towards tackles.
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