2010 NFL Draft: Lions Trade Up to 30th Pick, Select Cal's Jahvid Best
Just as I speculated, the Lions were not done for the night after picking Ndamukong Suh. After waiting around for almost all of the rest of the first round, the Lions made a move to trade up for Cal running back Jahvid Best. Interestingly, the Lions traded with the Vikings to move up for Best. Here are the details of the trade:
Lions receive:
30th overall pick and select Jahvid Best
128th overall pick (Minnesota's fourth-rounder)
Vikings receive:
34th overall pick (Detroit's second-rounder)
100th overall pick (Detroit's fourth-rounder)
214th overall pick (Originally Cleveland's seventh-rounder)
My initial reaction to this move is that I'm a little surprised the Lions decided to trade up (with Minnesota, no less). Then again, it's obvious who the best player available was on the Lions' draft board. They obviously wanted to make sure they got Jahvid Best, and basically they gave up a seventh-round pick and 28 spots in the fourth-round for him. None of the teams in front of Detroit were a threat to take a running back (Minnesota has Adrian Peterson, Indianapolis has Joseph Addai and Donald Brown, New Orleans has Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush, and St. Louis has Steven Jackson), but the Lions must have felt that another team was going to trade up and take him.
Heading into tomorrow, this means that the Lions' only pick as of right now is the 66th overall. After that they won't pick again until the 128th pick (on Saturday) and then have to wait until the seventh round to go back on the clock. Of course, just as I said in my write-up on the Suh pick, expect the unexpected and anything can happen, so of course another trade wouldn't surprise me one bit. As it stands right now, though, the Lions have added two new players to the team after day one of the draft.
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I don't think anyone can complain that we gave up a lot to move up and get him.
Nice first day Lions. Let’s see if they make any moves tomorrow by trading any of the 2011 picks.
He reminds me of Barry
With Chris Jonson’s speed. I love it!
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wow
I like him too, but thats loafty LOL
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by CapitolLions on Apr 22, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Barry was 5'8" 205
Barry wast stockier, had that powerfull lower body and the ‘special ankles’ Madden always talked about!
But speed still kills, lets hope Best stays healthy
Actually, I`ve never had a chance to watch Barry Sanders play
All I`ve seen and can judge by is multiple vids on YouTube and such, but if Best ends up being half the talent Sanders was it`d be just great, IMO.
Barry was special
it was an honor and a privilege to watch him play
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YA, i don't think...
we’ll b seing him wearing #20, but I had a feeling they would get him. I kinda think they were trying to get Kyle Wilson, but NY got him, didn’t quite understand that 1 since they’re seemingly stocked @ the CB.
We gave up a lot to get him.
The move makes no sense whatsoever.
I disagree...
…they didn’t give up that much. A 7th rounder and 28 spots in the 4th round is not exactly “selling the farm” if Best turns out to be a legit player.
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
Never said "selling the farm"
but to give up anything at all for a guy with two surgeries and two concussions last year when you already have durability issues at that position?
I see the qualifier on your comment, I am stating what i see unequivocally.
Not that this is the end all when it comes to matters of opinion...
…but the Chart values the 30th overall pick and the 128th overall pick at a combined value of 664pts. The combined value of the 34th pick, the 100th pick and the 214th pick is 666.8pts. The calculated value makes this a relatively even trade, and when considering the Lions got a player they really liked at a position of need I think this was a good move.
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
Not questioning the value overall
I question the value of the individual picked. I hope he has better numbers than Chris Johnson, I just think if durabilty is the issue, why Best?
I think we all agree on Suh though.
I don't think the Lions are done with RB yet
As much as all of us scream to fix the defense, I really think they’re going to pick another bruiser RB in this draft to complete the offense. Any offensive player they pick after said bruiser would be for depth and developement.
I def get where you’re coming from with the durability issues, but he’s had a battery of tests and meetings with doctors and is cleared to go. As long as they don’t give the kid LJ amounts of touches, I think he’ll work out just fine. Having said that, I’m no doctor, just a gynocoligist in the bedroom
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by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 23, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still surprised they traded up...
…but in the grand scheme it really wasn’t a lot that they gave up. By the time teams are drafting in the 4th round it’s really just fortunate to get NFL talent. The 7th round pick is not likely to produce much either, plus the Lions do have three more 7th rounders. If Best turns out to be the kind of player the Lions obviously hope he will be, this was a very small price to get the HR threat they thought they needed.
They still have a lot of work to do this offseason though. The defense definitely got a shot in the arm with Suh, but the defensive backfield is still a work in progress and there’s definitely some question marks at LB now.
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You cant fix it all
with one draft…..Suh makes the secondary better immediatley with his ability to colapse the pocket and we stil have a 3rd and 4th to address LB and Secondary.
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They traded away their 4th rounder (100th overall) to select Best
…along with their 34th pick and a 7th rounder. Only one pick to look forward to tomorrow unless they manage to trade back up. Did Mayhew get Mayhew’d?
by BriansLions on Apr 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
They stil got Miny 4th rounder in the trade...
…..so we stil have a 4th
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We just got 2 picks today and 1 tomorrow...
….instead of 1 today and 2 tomorrow…..And we stil have a 4th.
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
So to answer your question....
….No he didnt get mayhewd
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i was surprised too-
I think it is the format of the draft that is encouraging the trade ups. The Lions had to think that there were going to be others who wanted Best before them. I think it is a great pick! I hope that Kevin Smith comes back healthy and ready to play, but if his injury doesn’t allow him to play at the same level as before the Lions now have someone who can help shoulder the load.
by Kirt-LionFaninGR! on Apr 23, 2010 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Very surprised they traded up
My thinking is that if Claussen isn’t picked tonight, we are in the catbird’s seat to trade down.
Best seems like high risk, high reward to me. Not knowing Kevin’s situation, I had been in the camp of not doing something like this. If all goes right, and Best can stay healthy, his 4.23 at the combine…
First reaction:
What?
Second reaction:
Gotta trust in Mayhew.
Actually it would be Stl....
….People would trade with them at 33 to ensure they get him not at 34 when someone could leapfrog them.
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He didnt run a 4.23 LOL are you kidding me...check that again
He is fast, but not that fast.
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by CapitolLions on Apr 23, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
So why didn't Mayhew...
…give up the same thing and move up to select Ryan Mathews? Egh. If Best can ward off the injury bug he’ll flat-out fly on Ford Field’s turf. Key word here is “if”.
Because Ryan Matthews went at pick 12...
And we would have had to give up a LOT more to move up that far to get him. Plus, I think we got the better back anyway.
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Good point
I realized that after I posted what I wrote above. For all of our sakes, I hope you’re right about Jahvid Best.
Dipping my toes in here
By my lights, this is a good counter to Kevin Smith. Based on draft position, was this the right place to address that?
Minnesota has to like this move
Trade down, move up in the 4th, and have a shot at Clausen unless STL trades.
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Stl will trade for sure Sean....
…..No reason not too unless no one wants to move up.
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I agree....
…..that Buffalo may trade up but they would trade with Stl at 33 not Detroitat 34
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Wilson
They should have traded up a spot or two more to get him. He was seriously falling and they could really use a good corner. Im not a big fan of best so I dont really like this pick but I didnt like a lot of the picks last year and they seemed to work out well.
I think the Lions were content to see if one of Wilson or McCourtey would fall to us at 34...
And when they were both picked, RB became the priority…and they must have thought (like Gruden) that Minnesota might take Best to replace Taylor, or that someone else might move up to get Best before pick 34. I think they made the right move…and I will trust Mayhew.
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this is it
This is exactly why this happened way to call it, i was telling my wife they better move up cause they already lost 2 players that were on there list, and just as wilson got picked i said they better move up and get best or he will be gone. good call man…. I think great pick Mayhew and great move…..
Who thought Wilson would fall that far?!!!
If they were willing to put something together for Best , why not figure out something with someone to get a “quality” CB? Running back could have been addressed later
Wilson falling
I have to believe other scouts saw something in Wilson that made him fall below Kareem Jackson and McCourtney. Players fall for a reason in that teams don’t need the position of bad attitudes. When other players start going ahead of a guy in another position, just makes me wonder what the scouts saw.
by cheyennejack on Apr 23, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
I was clamoring for Maualuga last year too, but had to wonder why he was slipping so far down.
I admit to being shocked and mad when they went with a guy I hadn’t heard too much about in Delmas over a “first rounder” at a position of need.
Man am I glad they took Delmas! Now lets get him some help in the secondary. Just put Pacman to an incentives-based vet minimum contract before round 2, lets get a bit more security there and not let him slip to somebody else.
by cheyennejack on Apr 23, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Boise State-
It goes back to Boise State not getting the respect of other colleges, again. He had his issues in coverage too. You couple the lack of college pedigree with some coverage issues and that’s the slip.
by Kirt-LionFaninGR! on Apr 23, 2010 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not so sure Minn or St L wasnt gonna grab best.He would be the perfect backup for APete and S.JAckson.He catches the ball (APete Doesnt) he has homerun all over him.A+ round 1 for Detroit
My thought exactly....
….Stl would have taken him
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to agree with you guys here
I don’t think Best would have made it to pick 34.
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Kdawg we are thinking a like tonight....
…..is it a full moon?
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm reading around the internet
and we’re getting unanimous praise for the Best pick.
dont want to sound all negative and junk
But I would have preferred trading up one more spot to select Kyle Wilson. But I don’t want to repeat my initial negative outlook on the pick like I die last year with Grew. So, I have to trust Mayhew.
Offense added this off season: Sims, burelson, scheffler, and best. Its all for you $taff!
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by Leapin Lion on Apr 22, 2010 11:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm guessing...
…that they actually tried to trade up for Wilson and couldn’t quite get the deal they wanted. Once he was off the board, Best was graded too high on their board to risk losing him to another team who may have had an interest.
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Finally my picks in the SBN mock came true lol
Picked Suh and then Best.
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Good work
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by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 22, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That was my mock for them as well. But Best would have been there at 34. There was no need to move. I do like best though. But that 4th round swap was huge. Big difference between top of 4th and end of 4th. I predict we will trade.
by TheOriginalVoice on Apr 22, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I said in a earlier post...before the draft...
A week ago I had a dream that the Lions select Best in the 1st rd. Than last night I had a dream the Lions took Suh. I hope iI can dream up some lotto numbers
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Makes me nervous
We traded up to spot #30 and took Kevin Jones in 2004. No good reason to not like Best who does have explosiveness. Maybe being such a longtime Lions fan I just get suspicious.
At the same time, I have to trust in what Mayhew and company have been doing. I still don’t like losing both our high 2nd pick and our high 4th pick, both of which should have tremendous value the way the draft breaks this year.
I just have to believe that there was a large gap on the Lions board. They probably had Kareem Jackson, Devin McCourtney, Kyle Wilson, Ryan Mathews and Jahvid Best on the board. Once Kyle left, they needed to make the move.
I’m nervous but excited for the season. Lets hope we sign Pacman and Bulluck to put some vets at our 2 biggest holes right now, while we still fill them in with this draft class
man I was just coming on to make this comment
I have been iffy on Best for weeks because of durability and now we shadow the K Jones move by moving up to grab a little guy with injury concerns.
Oh, and Brown has to be crapping himself right now.
I think the only injury concern for Best is that one concussion last year...
Other than that, I am not even worried at all…this guy is an amazing back.
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If its just the concussion
then thats ok, cause they showed that play, and he was way up in the air for the TD, just fell flat on his back and whipped his head. That’ll get anybody. Hopefully Barry Sanders is in the back talking to the kid and telling him how to not take the big hit and flat out twist defenders around
by cheyennejack on Apr 22, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
After one concussion it is easier to get a second
I just hope he learns to not take the hit. I am feeling better about the pick however. A couple views of Best’s highlight reel helps.
It was a serious concussion, maybe worse
I watched the play again last night and found one with the commentator. They said because of the way his arms were straight out (which looked really weird) that his brain had disconnected from his body. Yikes!
by cheyennejack on Apr 23, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
"Disconnected" from his body?
That’s a fairly foolish way for them to put it.
A better way to explain it might be that the normal signals from his brain to his body were just temporarily interrupted by the shock of his brain rattling in his skull due to the blow.
While it looks scary, it’s a normal, if not common reaction for the muscles to tense up when the brain is shocked like that. It happens reasonably often in boxing, MMA, and basically any other activity where someone’s brain can get rattled.
That being said, as others pointed out, it’s not the only concussion he’s had. I do like the signing, and I just hope that he can stay healthy enough to show his stuff.
That makes more sense
Yeah it was what the announcer said right after the impact, so it wasn’t like a medical personnel or even well-planned out thing to say. Still it definitely sounded a lot worse. From all that I have seen and read though, he’s got as much clearance from doctors and specialists as anyone, so I’m not too worried about the concussion thing.
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by cheyennejack on Apr 23, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point about Brown
I like Aaron and was hoping to see him make it happen, by learning the playbook and getting a little smarter. I still think we have to keep him though.
The big positive for Best is that he apparently catches the ball very well, so I definitely like that for screens and maybe even splitting Brown and Best out in opposite flats on some plays while sending our TE’s up the middle, really stretching the opponents LB corps
by cheyennejack on Apr 22, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hes a 3-4 LB....
….Doesnt really fit the Lions system
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
best is risk
reward i am gonna trust the front office. looks like pass screen pass screen draw repeat. hope it works.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Apr 22, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions
Just keep remembering Cortland Finnegan
Schwartz can work magic with late round CBs
by WestsideLionsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
still need skills
no matter the coach. trust in Mayhew and Schwartz combo.
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by Waitingfortheroar on Apr 23, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I just feel like
Best was falling anyways. I didn’t see a reason for this move. But like most of you have pointed out, I too am enamored with Mayhew’s job so far so I’ll trust his thought process here.
Someone said that the Seahawks were about to trade up to take him
by WestsideLionsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Seahawks or someone
I’m not sure we were worried about Indy, New Orleans, or the STL (Jimmy Clausen) pick taking Best, but he had to be the last pick on our board before a big gap, and we just moved to get him once Kyle Wilson was gone. No reason to risk losing our guy.
by cheyennejack on Apr 22, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I cant figure this Best trade out...
Ive got a pit in my stomach, If he works out it will be great but man im not gonna be able to sleep man. I wanted to see what we could of got for the 34th. Just have to think MaySchwarts better not fail me now
Agreed
I too was looking forward to seeing what we might get for the 34th. With Colt and Jimmy falling and Cleveland, Buffalo, and JAX/MIN looking, even if STL trades out, we still have value with teams competing for the last of the big 4 qbs
by cheyennejack on Apr 22, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm Stoked!!
I’m a Cali boy and that was an awesome pickup!!! Good stuff!!
by lionsfansince81 on Apr 22, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
My sphincter quivers when I hear "durability issues"
We need beefy tough players, would have rather got Gerhart
Our offense is now as complete as it ever has been since Barry retired
We have tall wideouts, fast wideouts, RBs who can catch the ball, a young QB with a big arm. The line is as solid as it has been in years, we have a blocking TE who can catch and a quick pass catching TE who can create mismatches all over the field.
Staff is set up to succeed.
by WestsideLionsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
Someone said the Seahawks....
….were about to trade up and get Best
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
I really believe they would have to
by Liontotheextreme on Apr 22, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Chargers may have moved b/c of Seattle too
Seemed like they really reached but maybe they thought Seattle was going for Mathews at 14. Seattle does need a running back. Julius Jones just doesn’t cut it, and in two-back systems, well I’m not sure who else they have, maybe TJ still?
by cheyennejack on Apr 22, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Really....
I guess Lions were feeling the pressure and pulled the trigger… If thats who they wanted, what can you do…. I mean just hope that he holds up
Cal Fan
and student here. You guys are going to LOVE Jahvid. He’s an incredible talent, has an amazing drive and work ethic, and is one of the nicest, most humble guys you’ll meet anywhere. I’ll guarantee you’ll NEVER have an off-field issue with JB. As far as durability goes, most of his injuries have been random, freak things, rather than repeated, nagging injuries. Also: Jahvid > Gerhart.
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by WestsideLionsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Only thing on offense left to draft even potentially
Is depth for T and G…. Thats it guys, when has our offense looked even close to this good in the last 10 years
by Liontotheextreme on Apr 22, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
DIdn’t like Kitna and Williams/Johnson? :)
by Aaron Lambert on Apr 22, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We have ball catchers
if not necessarily WR with CJ, Burl, Sheff, Grew and now Best. All 5 good pass catchers. Although I think you are right we will still draft one, probably in the 7th. D Williams? I dunno, its only been one year but he still has a lot to prove.
by cheyennejack on Apr 23, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
per http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/36012797/ns/sports-nfl
The fastest tailback in this year’s draft, Best ran 4.35 at the Combine and was a gold medal winner in the 2005 Junior Olympics. He can flat-out fly, and is a skilled pass catcher. However, he carries major injury red flags after undergoing hip, elbow, and shoulder surgeries in three years at Cal, before missing the final four games of 2009 with a concussion and back injury. Still, there’s lots of opportunity in Detroit with Kevin Smith coming off a torn ACL. His speed is going to be deadly on the Ford Field turf.
Don’t get me wrong I really REALLY like Follet I am just wary of letting my feelings towards a player cloud my judgment on their talent
by Aaron Lambert on Apr 22, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
There are a lot of options at OLB in Free Agency as well
I’m not too worried about it.
by WestsideLionsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Like who stands out as a great option?
by Aaron Lambert on Apr 22, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Keith Bullock is a guy who played under Schwartz in Tennesee
Former pro-bowler who’s at the end of his career, but he has a little in the tank yet I think.
by WestsideLionsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Akin Adolyle (sp) from Mia and Bullocks from Ten
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Bulluck over the last 3 years has
.5 sacks.
Akin has bounced around in the league and if he was a worthy option, Miami would resign him, as they have a need at LB. Also, Akin is listed as an ILB.
I prefer Bulluck
He was never a sack happy type of linebacker, but a tackling machine. He just turned 33 which is younger than I expected and he has played with the Titans his entire career rather than bouncing around. That combined with the familiarity of Schwartz and KVB I think he makes a solid veteran influence that understands his role and the system.
by cheyennejack on Apr 23, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus there are stil some guys they can draft...
…No noe was talking about Levy last year….Remember Schwartz system requires bigger Lbs around 230-250….They may have someone in mind that we are overlooking that fits the system
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope we land Eric Norwood in the 3rd or 4th… he was a stud in the SEC
by Aaron Lambert on Apr 22, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hes the kinda guy that fits the system
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Just going on personal experience, Eric Norwood tore up Kentucky several times during his career. He has an excellent motor.
by Grahamophone on Apr 23, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
We might be able to find LBs easier
since it seems the league is moving to the smaller faster LBs, our type of linebacker might last longer in the draft. Levy did come out of nowhere, I think Schwartz said they found him when scouting Beanie Wells and watching Levy drop him. We may have the ability to find defensive gems with this staff better too.
by cheyennejack on Apr 22, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly....
…..I think they have one in mind for the late 4th pick that is a system fit
by BennieBladesFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Staff def has his weapons now haha
i think other than depth in G and T, it will be defense from here on out
by Liontotheextreme on Apr 22, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
I just hope that we wait to add the depth in the 7th
by Aaron Lambert on Apr 22, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The more I think about the Best trade, the more I like it
Our offense is now complete and just that by itself will take some pressure off our D
by WestsideLionsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
I think I’d prefer balance but it isn’t like they have ignored the defense this offseason… our defensive backfield is just so bad
by Aaron Lambert on Apr 22, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they realized that the D will still be bad against the pass
No matter what happened, it would still be rookie CBs back there or second-rate vets. So it made since to get the offense right and hope we can hang on to win games.
by WestsideLionsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It's also a lot more fun to suck with a good offense
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Apr 22, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
besides, there’s no such thing as a one year turnaround. you improve over time and plug up holes when you can. we may continue to have a weak secondary or lb corp, but by next year we will reevaluate and improve even further.
Best is more than a RB
We can’t forget that Best can do more than run. He can play QB in the wildcat, he can return kicks and punts, and he can play a Percy Harvin WR role.
When Smith gets healthy I’d expect to see both RB out there but move Best all around the field. He gives the offense the ability to go in a lot of directions and his speed allows Detroit to score from anywhere on the field.
If trading up would have rather grabbed Wilson or...
worst case scenario take Gerhart with #34 and Ghee or Ansah with #66, still keeping the second pick of the 4th. I hate damaged goods and hope that the FO proves all of us doubters wrong with this Best pick
Jahvid’s not damaged goods. He’s healthy now, and his injuries have been freaky, flukey things. He’s going to tear it up for you guys whenever he gets some playing time.
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I hope your right....
But bottom line is injuries are injuries and you cant tell me it doesn’t increase your chances for reinjury.
You can't be serious....
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by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 23, 2010 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Gerhart...
is an NFL fullback at best. I’ve seen a lot of people pushing for us to draft him and I’m sincerely dumbfounded. I can tell you that Best wasn’t the move I was hoping for, but considering what was left on the board I think we made the right decision. Gerhart is 4th round maybe, likely fifth round. I would’ve taken Blount and a few others over Gerhart and those types of players are 5-7 rounders.
by GhostofBarry on Apr 23, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Gerhart
ran a 40 time better than Beanie, a first rounder. Better than Greene, the starter for the Jets, who was taken with the Lions 3rd rd. pick last year.
No way is this guy a 5-7!
40 time...
Doesn’t dictate a player’s draft position. Gerhart ran a 4.5 40, which is pretty good, but that won’t place him as a productive HB in the league. The large majority of publications have him pegged as a better fit for the FB position, where his body strength can be utilized and his lack of elusiveness will become irrelevant. Greene is a good runner, but he’s mostly effective as a result of running behind what many consider to be the premiere offensive line in the league. If Greene played for the Lions last year I can promise you he wouldn’t have produce even half of the numbers he put up for the Jets.
by GhostofBarry on Apr 23, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly the Vikes
did not read those publications!
Reach...
In my opinion. I would take Blount over Gerhart. We’ll see how he’s used during the season…
by GhostofBarry on Apr 23, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
In an MMA match
I might be tempted to take Blount. WWE, definitely!
Our team reminds me a lot of the Texans
On paper there are pretty similar strengths and question marks on both O and D
by WestsideLionsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
I should of just asked this in here instead of making a fan post but...
Do you think the lions are gonna make a move to get back into the 2nd round or are they gonna sit back and be idle tell the third
Just my luck
So, I seen the top half of the draft with you guys, got to us pick Suh, so I was pretty happy. Then, I’m told I have to go shopping. Little annoyed, since I miss some picks, but that’s OK, Lions won’t pick again till tomorrow. I GUESS NOT!
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for the Best pick, I’m also happy in what we paid for him. It just sucks I missed it with you guys. As for Best, I’m pretty happy with the selection. I would’ve preferred Wilson, but he became a priority so the move was made. I’m cool with it. He should provide some real spark for our running game. Plus, it seems easier for RBs to translate to the NFL so we should reap rewards fairly quickly from him. I’m very happy with this first round.
2 concerns though. 1. Where’s our CB gonna come from? 2. Where’s our OLB gonna come from?
We just have to many needs…
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 4-2 : Current Position - 7th : Last game - Defeated by Canterbury Bulldogs 24 - 4
Keep in mind Levy was a late round pick last year
by WestsideLionsFan on Apr 22, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 4-2 : Current Position - 7th : Last game - Defeated by Canterbury Bulldogs 24 - 4
by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 22, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, there's still gonna be some quality at the top of the third
Perrish cox? Who the he’ll knows, trust in mayhem mayhew
Injury prone Players
I was looking at our team as a whole, and this is what i saw.
1. Stafford shoulder and kneee injury
2. Smith Shoulder and knee injury
3. Pettigow Knee surgery
4.Calving is ben banked up the passed year
i’m sure i forgot few more but i just wanted to mention our top stars.
then we go and draft Suh who had some knee surgery few years back, and then we trade up to get Jahvid Best who had a concussion at end of last year. I’m not liking this, we already have our own problems when it comes to injuries, and now we are adding more players that can cause injury concerns.
for the record i’m happy with Suh, but not Jahvid.
this list is only our top players
This is not a complete list, i was just making the point most of our top players got injured and we can’t offord anymore injuries like that.
I mean look at this way, how many teams you know in the nfl had their top QB, TE,RB, and Receiver all injured in the same season? I know Jahvid is really good, but we can’t replace smith with another RB who got a worse injury history.
NFL Players are injury prone
It does seem like the Lions have more than their fair share of injuries, but I have to believe it is because they always hit so close to home with our team. That and we just don’t have good depth usually to recover from injuries. Thats the double bad part about having an already bad team.
Just have to make sure we have great doctors, great strength program and a great training room/facility
by cheyennejack on Apr 22, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Brees had his shoulder reconstructed
Peyton had offseason knee surgery right before he won an MVP… Sure glad we don’t have those bums
THE GAME IS A CONTACT SPORT!!!!!
the doctors these days are great especially with NFL money….we need to quit whining we are the lions and we just got a freak…DT and the fastest RB in the DRAFT…..Restore the roar how ever it takes
by perfectlions on Apr 22, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Lions just got a GREAT RB and a GREAT person!
And another fan!
Follet will be happy also!
Go Lions!
Follet can only get better
if he has to practice all summer trying to tackle the speed of Jahvid Best.
by cheyennejack on Apr 23, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
7 minutes to salivate over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q40qIf32jsE when do the games start again?
Wow. Feels like I'm watching Madden Highlights
That guy is shifty and hella fast.
If nothing else, this makes playing with the Lions in Madden ’11 that much better. This kid can flat out fly. He is going to have to be 95+ in speed on the game if not a 99.
Lets hope we got our Chris Johnson.
Misdirection with this kid and aaron brown in the backfield could wreak havoc on D’s too
by cheyennejack on Apr 23, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Great video...
If anyone on here can watch that and NOT be excited about that trade then they need to go find a new team to support. Also, check out that hit at the 6:30 mark, DAMN!!!!!!
I'd rather have a player where I can say "If he stays healthy, he'll be great"
then a player where I have to say “If he can develop, he’ll be great”
Happy with the picks.
Suh was a no brainer, Best I like just due to the fact that a two back system is what is working in the nfl now. This move will help with keeping Kevin Smith healthy once he returns(hopefully). The only way that I think this will not work is if Smith cannot return, I am not sure Best can be an every down back.
I don't know why I was giving Mayhew credit
It’s clear after this pick that Zack Follett is running the show…
Best can help the D too
He is going to extend some drives on the 3rd and long draw or 3rd and 8 screen.
If nothing else the threat of those two plays are going to open up a little bit bigger of passing lanes for our TE’s and even homerun shots to our WRs
by cheyennejack on Apr 23, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Available CBs & OLBs
Corner Backs
Dominque Franks – OKLA
Jerome Murphy – S. Fla
Brandon Ghee – Wake Forest
Chris Cook – Virginia
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah – IU of PA
Perrish Cox – OK St
Amari Spievy – Iowa
A.J. Jefferson – Fresno St.
Outside LB
Daryl Washington – TCU
Sean Lee – Penn ST (OLB/MLB)
Sergio Kindle – Texas
Koa Misi – Utah
Navarro Bowman – Penn St
Eric Norwood – S. Car
Thaddeus Gibson – Ohio St
A.J. Edds – Iowa
Dekota Watson – FSU
Murphy would be great in the 3rd
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 4-2 : Current Position - 7th : Last game - Defeated by Canterbury Bulldogs 24 - 4
by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 23, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Best alot
I prefer Matthews over Best, but I ain’t gonna bitch at all with this pick. I hope like hell he can stay healthy
Life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life... so lets get wasted all the time and have the time of our lives!
One thing I've noticed in a lot of comments;
I keep hearing when are we going to get this, when are we going to get that, blah blah blah. Come on guys, we have had shit for drafts in 8 years and you expect to fix every aspect of the team in 2 years….. WAKE up we arent going to fix 8 yrs of shit in 2 yrs!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m thrilled with what weve donr in just 2 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well said
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 4-2 : Current Position - 7th : Last game - Defeated by Canterbury Bulldogs 24 - 4
by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 23, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
well, the spelling and grammar could use a little work...
but the use of exclamation points was just outstanding!
Chad Jones
I would want the Lions to pick him if he is available for the 3rd pick. The Lions need a safety to pair with Delmas and he would be the next best SS in the draft who is likel to be available.
Only switched 4th round positions and gave up a 7th!
That is not much to get the guy you want. Both these guys no more about Best ( injury wise and potential wise) then anyone of us will ever know. Best has elite track speed and falls inline with the Titans line of thinking ala Chris Johnson. Two high quality players added today.
by Waynewasactuallygood on Apr 23, 2010 2:01 AM EDT reply actions
still need a corner
Hope ghee is there in round 3. Wish we could have got wilson but best is a good player
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass.
Greatest things in life are Girls,Football and Beer if only she would bring you a beer during football.
by The Profiler on Apr 23, 2010 5:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
As I wake up this morning
I’m pretty happy with our day yesterday. Obviously getting Suh is huge and while I was initially against trading up for Best, I’ve switched my opinion. Best must have been rated much higher then anyone else left on the Lions board otherwise they would have sat at pick 34 or even looked to traded back. The coaches have said last year they had a lot of good trade opportunities with the Delmas pick, but they liked him so much they weren’t going to trade it. They have the same feeling about Best which is a good sign.
I do worry a bit about his injury history, but if this guy is healthy he is literally CJ Spiller. He’ll be quick as hell on the turf at Ford Field and he’ll be able to contribute in the running game, return game and passing game. He is a very good receiver for a RB.
My prediction...
…is that any/all reservations about the Lions trading up to take Best go right out the window the first time the kid breaks off a 50yd TD. How many of those have we had the last couple of years now?
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
not sayin
I’m just sayin the phins went from one win to the playoffs in a off season atl made a quick turn around. If favre don’t come back nfc north is anyones game and WE WILL get over looked early
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass.
Greatest things in life are Girls,Football and Beer if only she would bring you a beer during football.
by The Profiler on Apr 23, 2010 10:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Now if we could just trade for Kirk Morrison....
I would cream my pants.
by Barry the Great on Apr 23, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
They hit the panic button.
I hate trading up, you usually give up to much. Yes, you try to target players, however, keep a back up plan in place. I think when those two cornerbacks ( Rutgers & Boise State ) came off, the front office plans starting falling apart. Patience, go with your alternative plan and don’t fall in love, your usually blinded. That # 34 pick could have been a quality RB, CB, OL or OLB. Now, it’s a long wait to the third round and even longer to the fourth.
" I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this. " " What are you doin' here? You oughta be out in a convertible bird-doggin' chicks and bangin' beaver. " " Medication time. Medication time. " ( One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - 1975 )
Unless I'm missing something..... they did get a quality RB for that # 34 pick.
Hit the panic button?!? I think they stuck exactly to their plan. It may not be a plan that all of us completely approve of but we won’t lose our jobs if it all falls apart.
yes but to have 24 hours
to lose best.. smart move even though we paid more.. someone would have moved up tp get him Minn can still get a QB
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
then the CB's started going
which were high on their list… still a great move
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
Is anyone else unnerved by the fact...
that the Lions did what most people were expecting/wanted?
I’m not complaining, but when was the last time that happened?
Read my Lions analysis at: http://www.studyofsports.com/?cat=142
Best helps to protect Stafford, upgrades the O-line
Now, obviously I don’t see him picking up the blitz a way a traditional RB helps on passing downs.
However, after watching some of his plays and reels last night, a defensive coordinator has to hate this kid. (Schwartz even said somewhere if he didn’t get Best the other worst scenario would be Chi Min or GB getting him).
The Lions know all about being in predictable passing downs (usually the whole 2nd half), and I hate hearing the words “Now the D line can just pin their ears back and fire off for the QB”.
With a weapon like Best back there and the threat of a gut-wrenching draw play that can easily get you 8-10 yards if not the entire homerun, the D-Line and linebackers are going to have to man their ground better. Our O-line is going to know this and that can help them in blocking better knowing that on 3rd and 8 that typically they wont deal with a double move, since the D-lineman needs to attack at a spot, trying to get to the QB, but maintaining discipline if this kid gets that hand-off draw.
Maybe I’m stretching things, but in D Coordinators shoes, I like pinning the Lions back and double move bull rush attacking at Stafford, like last year a whole lot better than I like having to worry about a kid like Best busting one open on me with a draw or quick hitch b/c my lineman have been overly aggressive not manning their holes first and then attacking the QB
I don't understand
how people can complain about us “giving up too much” to get him. We essentially traded 4th round picks with the Vikings, and gave up one of our four 7th round picks for the highest rated player on the Lions board.
A high character, big-play threat RB, after which there would have been a significant drop off in the draft at the position, and they swapped 4th’s and gave up a 7th to ensure that he was a Lion.
In my opinion, the trade was well worth the possible upside even when considering any injury concerns.
As a Cal fan, very sad to see him go
Basically Jahvid could bust one open on ANY play. He’s best in space, not up the middle. Check out his ’09 highlights:






























