Pacman Jones Hopes Lions Will Give Him a Shot
by Sean Yuille on Apr 29, 2010 12:16 PM EDT
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PrintNo meeting has been set up yet between the Lions and Pacman Jones to talk about the possibility of him joining the team, but after reading through his recent interview with the Detroit Free Press, I hope that a meeting happens at some point. Jones sounded like he is a changed man in the interview, and right now he is just waiting for a team to give him one more chance. Obviously the risks of bringing in someone like Jones are understood, but I hope the Lions at least schedule a meeting to further explore this possibility, because I think the reward for this risk could be big just based on the interview with the Free Press.
Martin Mayhew said after the draft that nothing has been planned in regards to a meeting with Jones, and he wouldn't say whether the former Cowboy and Titan is "in play or not." Still, Jones is hoping to stay on Jim Schwartz's mind, which is why he texted his former defensive coordinator earlier this week.
"I texted him and just told him that I’m still available, I like what they did in the draft," Jones said today in a telephone interview. "It was just a simple text message. And he was like, ‘Thanks. Keep your head up and keep the faith.’ We left it at that."
Jones usually texts Schwartz once a month in addition to talking with Deion Sanders on the phone quite a bit.
"Pac asks me a question," Sanders said. "I tell you the truth, and I give you options. ‘This is what’s going to happen if you do this. This is what’s going to happen if you do that. That’s the truth.’"
Jones called Sanders a father figure and said they talk on the phone almost five times a day.
"He’s a straight-up person," Jones said. "He’s not going to lie to you or nothing. It’s been great to have him in my corner and help me look at things a lot different than I used to in the past."
The two things that stood out to me the most from the interview were that Jones understands that he made dumb mistakes in the past and that family now appears to be his first priority.
"I don’t do the things that I used to do," Jones said. "I don’t hang out with the crowd that I used to. I’m a grown man now. I have a little girl. I have a fiancée with another baby on the way. So them days are over with, the kid days. It’s about my family now."
Ultimately a decision one way or another on Jones will come down to a variety of factors, including if the Lions feel comfortable with their situation at cornerback and if they feel that Jones deserves another chance if they meet with him. I know the cornerback position is improving with the new faces of Chris Houston, Amari Spievey, and Jonathan Wade, but I think an in-shape Pacman Jones who is looking to prove he is a different man could be a very good addition to the secondary. Not only would it create competition at cornerback, but like I said earlier, this could be a situation where the risk (giving him a "minimum-salary, incentive-laden deal," as the Free Press put it) is definitely worth the possible reward (upgrading the secondary with someone who can play at a very high level when on top of his game).
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Is it possible...
…that noone has “given him a shot” because he’s not the athlete he once was? He last played for the Cowboys in 2008 (after sitting out the 2007 season), and was promptly released. I thought his best asset was his return ability while he was in Tennessee, but is it possible that the man his just lost a step? General Manager’s will take a chance on anyone if it’ll help their Win column, so it seems like it has to be more than the off-field issues that are scaring teams away.
Regardless, I still see no reason not to at least invite him to training camp. If he shows flashes of what he once was, considering that he does seem to have his head on straight, then why not sign him to a league minimum contract? If anything he would provide much-needed depth in the Secondary.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it ~Aristotle
It's not only possible, but likely.
There’s rapists, murders, sex offenders, and drug dealers in the playing in the NFL and seeing gametime. What Pacman did doesn’t even rank amongst the worse of what some of these guys did. My point- If he still has the athleticism and looked sharp on field, it’s doubtful he would be hanging out there this long. I hope I’m wrong though, I would like to see him back.
"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988
Um....
Rapists, Murderers, Sex Offenders, and Drug Dealers!!??
very strong and generalizing statement. Many of the players with these problems are not in the league anymore or do not have a long tenure with any NFL team. I realize we are coming off roethlesberger, but to say that there is a group of delinquents, sorry delinquent does not match the strength of your words…but to say that active felons and criminals are apart of a common starting population is callous and incorrect.
My point was if they hit hard enough, run fast enough, or throw the ball well
They’ll make it back into the league… Just ask Ray Lewis.
Seems like you might be in denial.
"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988
I personally think what Donte Stallworth did is a hundred times worse
then anything Pacman did. This guy KILLED A MAN while drunk driving and he’s already back in the league. If you add up everything Pacman has done it looks like a drop in the bucket compared to Stallworth’s situation.
It does make you think though, if Stallworth can kill somebody and be back in the league after a year, maybe Pacman simply just doesn’t have it anymore. Maybe he just can’t play. Good point Sky, after hearing he had a good workout I just assumed the only reason for holding out was his off-field issues, but maybe it’s deeper then that.
Stallworth would've killed that man drunk or not...
Donte Stallworth’s case could’ve happened to anyone. he went out drinking the night before and got up that morning to get something to eat, probably not realizing he was still drunk. His was not a conscious decision to go cause mayhem or be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Had that man not walked out in front of his car without warning, he never would’ve hit him.
There is a reason stallworth only got a month in jail and its not because he’s an athlete. It’s because he was only guilty of drinking and driving. Any sober person would’ve hit the man as well, stallworth just happened to still be drunk. I’d rather have a person who took responsibility for his actions, worked with police, and cooperated with the family than someone who repeatedly put themselves in bad situations like Pacman.
That said, I still think we sign pacman to a one year, incentive laden deal with no wiggle room for bad behavior. I just hate that people think stallworth is a terrible person when he acted like more of a man in that situation than anyone else would’ve.
Yeah
It wasnt that stallworth was drunk, he just hated that homeless guy
by ATL Lion on Apr 29, 2010 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The guy Stallworth killed wasn't homeless either.
He was a construction worker just getting off his shift, and had a wife and kids.
"Take it off the rack, if it's wack, put it back. I like the Whopper, fuck the Big Mac." - Rob Base, It Takes Two, 1988
+1
I think a lot of the facts from this case are getting a little skewed here. If you want the real story, google it. Because this is not exactly it.
I never said Stallworth is a terrible person
And I’m not buying the “probably not realizing he was still drunk” argument, I used to be a heavy drinker, and I’ve never once in my life not realized I was drunk. That just sounds nonsensical.
But regardless of the circumstances, he took a life. Obviously he didn’t do it intentionally, but the fact is it happened. I don’t know about you, but to me that’s pretty much the biggest sin one can commit. And saying that the fact he blew a .12 on the breathalyzer was a coincidence, which is essentially what you’re saying, just sounds illogical.
Coach Schwartz begs to differ on if he has it anymore. I stick to my guns, Schwartz likes this guy, the problem is either Mayhew or maybe even Ford. But either way someone is holding this process up and it is NOT due to his ability.
"I didn’t need to look at the tape," Schwartz said. "He’s still young. I looked at the numbers, but when you have experience with somebody, unless there’s an injury or something like that, the workout won’t be the final determination. The workout was just to see what kind of conditioning he was in, I would say from a commitment standpoint."
Rapists, murderers, sex offenders, and drug dealers
If you included embezzlers, drunk drivers, and pedophiles, HOLY SHIT!!!! It’s our Government!!!!!!!!!!!
Well lets see, this is just since the New year, hmm how many of these guys are still in the NFL, oh wait all of them!
4/27/2010: Free-agent S Clinton Hart is arrested for domestic battery.
4/17/2010: Browns RB Chris Jennings is arrested for suspicion of assault.
4/10/2010: Seahawks LB Leroy Hill is arrested for domestic violence.
4/1/2010: Browns DT Shaun Rogers is arrested for possession of a weapon.
4/1/2010: Seahawks LB Leroy Hill pleads guilty to marijuana possession.
3/27/10: Cardinals LB Joey Porter is arrested for DUI, resisting arrest, and assaulting a peace officer.
3/26/10: Bears OL Lance Louis pleads guilty to misdemeanor battery.
3/19/10: Dolphins RB Ronnie Brown is arrested on suspicion of DUI.
3/13/10: Packers TE Spencer Havner is arrested for DUI. (His agents have denied that he was charged.)
2/23/10: Chargers WR Vincent Jackson pleads guilty to DUI charges.
2/20/10: Dolphins CB Will Allen is arrested for DUI.
2/19/10: Redskins CB Byron Westbrook is arrested for DUI, negligent driving, and failure to drive right of center.
2/7/10: Dolphins DE Tony McDaniel is arrested for misdemeanor battery.
2/2/10: Cowboys FB Deon Anderson is arrested for traffic warrants and brandishing a weapon.
2/2/10: Bengals LB Rey Maualuga pleads guilty to DUI.
1/30/10: Chiefs CB Michael Richardson is arrested for various alcohol-related charges.
1/29/10: Bengals LB Rey Maualuga is arrested for DUI and careless driving.
1/18/10: Redskins G Chad Rinehart is arrested for public intoxication.
1/17/10: Chargers WR Vincent Jackson is arrested for driving with a suspended license.
1/15/10: Titans WR Kenny Britt is arrested for outstanding traffic tickets.
1/15/10: Former Bears DT Dusty Dvoracek is arrested for public intoxication, assault and battery, and interference with an official process.
1/12/10: Jets WR Braylon Edwards pleads no contest to assault charges.
1/10/10: Bucs S Jermaine Phillips is arrested for felony domestic battery by strangulation.
1/1/10: Colts WR Taj Smith is arrested for DUI.
You can always trust Smurfy to find out something...
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
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by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 30, 2010 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Great info, ‘Smurf! This proves my point entirely. If a General Manager thinks a player can help the Win column, then he’ll sign him. At this point, I have to believe it’s more than just the off-field concerns with Adam Jones.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it ~Aristotle
Thats what everyone has been saying...
Give him a bogged down cheap contract and if sneezes the wrong way, he’s gone.
We should make him give speeches to our young corners about what not to do when entering the league and show them what can happen. Then give him a contract with scrict rules and decent incentives.
by topherclosson on Apr 29, 2010 12:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yahoo article
Kids do have a way of making a man grow up, maybe we take a chance in June or July
after the coaches get a better feel where the secondary stands.
Could make returns interesting...
if he hasn’t lost everything, he was actually a good returner in ’06 (just average in his stint with the Cowboys).
With Jones, Best, Brown, Burleson, Wade, and Williams as possible return options this spot could be one of the better and most heavily contested on the team.
Possible...
if he makes the roster though, it may be at the expense of Williams. But either way, there is the chance for a lot of speed returning kicks. I really think special teams is being overlooked as potentially our biggest improvement this year, which as small of a feat as that sounds, could add up to wins in otherwise close games.
Our offense starting from the 35 instead of hoping for the 20 will do wonders for Stafford’s stats. And the opposing offense doing the opposite will help cover our deficiencies in the secondary.
Or they will still suck.
It is time we sign him.
Minimum salary, heavily incentive-laden contract. We’ve done nothing to upgrade our secondary outside of trade for Chris Houston, which isn’t enough. It’s worth a try.
by Barry the Great on Apr 29, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions
We've done nothing?
Mayhew also traded for Jonathan Wade, who played for St Louis last year, and drafted Amari Spievey out of Iowa. He also released Philip Buchanon, however, who promptly signed with the Redskins. Mayhew still needs to do more to add talent to what was arguably the worst Secondary in the league last year, but he’s done more than just trade for Chris Houston.
That being said; sure, bring Adam Jones to Detroit. Sign him to the league minimum. If anything he’ll provide much needed depth at CB.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it ~Aristotle
by BriansLions on Apr 29, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why does everyone keep forgetting...
…that this is almost a completely different group of CB so far?
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
It's still our weakest position group.
Jonathan Wade has done nothing in this league, he didn’t even stick with the Rams, whose secondary is as bad as ours. Spievey is a nice pick, sure, but he’s an unknown in terms of what he can do on an NFL field. And Houston fell out of favor in Atlanta, which is why they were willing to trade him for a late round pick. I’m not impressed with our secondary. Our greatly improved defensive line should put less pressure on the secondary, but it’s one of, if not the weakest, secondaries in the league. Plus, we have no safeties outside of Delmas. Bullocks hasn’t played in years and White is terrible. Unimpressive.
by Barry the Great on Apr 29, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody's glass is half empty
1. Jonathan Wade offers speed and potential. As a former 3rd round selection, he never quite lived up to expectations in St. Louis. He could revive his career in Detroit, but is most likely going to serve as depth at the CB position (unless he’s forced into a starting role).
2. Amari Spievey is a guy I’m incredibly high on. Yes, he’s an unknown in terms of what he can do on an NFL field, however after watching Big Ten football this past year, Spievey’s tackling really stood out. He really fits the defensive scheme here in Detroit.
3. Chris Houston didn’t necessarily fall out of favor in Atlanta, moreso that he just became expendable when they acquired Dunta Robinson. He’s immensely talented, and is a great fit in Gunther Cunningham’s aggressive man-to-man secondary.
4. We do have Safeties outside of Louis Delmas, but here’s a position group that I’ll slightly share your pessimistic attitude. Daniel Bullocks has been impressive (when healthy). Btw, however, he was only shut down due to an ACL tear for the 2009 season, it hasn’t been several years as you are claiming. Ko Simpson is also another guy who is coming back from injury. And then our depth behind them includes Marvin White, Marquand Manuel and Kalvin Pearson. Yes, slightly unimpressive, but it depends largely on the health of Bullocks and Simpson.
All of this being said, you’re most likely correct, CB is still our weakest position group. Mayhew has made moves to address the problem, but on paper I understand your concern.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it ~Aristotle
Some things to add
Jonathan Wade was drafted when Linehan was the coach in ST. Louis, he n fact was their starter and unexplainable lost his job. No one knows why he was actually doing good. Even people close to the team don’t know why, it was a real head scratcher on why he got in the doghouse of the replacement coaches. Either way they gave up on him, apparently unwarranted, and we capitalized on it, bonus. A lot of teams wanted to claim him off waivers but we were first in line.
Amari Spievey: Ference has an amazing track record with corner backs. The Iowa corners drafted that have started there have went on toe be starting corners in the NFL. Schwartz and Ference also have a relationship from when they worked at Cleveland together under Mr. Bill. As Rich Gosselin said, Spievey would not have been drafted by Schwartz unless he had the Ference stamp of approval. This guy will be a starter some day soon if not a stud.
Chris Houston is doing well and he was coveted by Gunther for some time now. Gunther wanted to draft him in KC but he got picked by Atlanta first. By all accounts Houston was a steal for us and has the perfect skill set for our defense.
IF these guys pan out like they are projected we have our two starting corners, Houston, Spievey, and our Nickle, Wade. They all bring the wood and are good in coverage too, all have good legs and feets on em.
Good stuff
It’s a leap of faith to consider the Secondary much improved, but I’m on the same page with you. I see a lot of upside with the guys Mayhew has recently brought in. Maybe I’m just drinking the Kool-Aid, but so be it.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it ~Aristotle
by BriansLions on Apr 30, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll also add...
…that Julian Peterson and Larry Foote were signed after the draft last year, so I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if Mayhew makes a move to bring in some more talent for the Secondary. Whether that move included Adam Jones remains to be seen.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it ~Aristotle
I thought they traded...
…for Peterson before the draft?
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
yeah i thought they did too!
Yeah i was because Seahawks got the Lions 5th round pick of 09, who are these sources that are saying he was after the draft? Maybe Larry Foote was after the draft, ppl should get there shit right first before posting it world wide, i dont mean us fans, i mean ESPN reporters, DETNEWS, etc
by IceLion3030 on Apr 30, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, dude
I’ll try to get my shit right next time before I post it world wide. I made a mistake. It happens.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it ~Aristotle
by BriansLions on Apr 30, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Good catch...
I actually just logged back in to change that.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it ~Aristotle
by BriansLions on Apr 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew I picked up that misinformation somewhere
Jamie Samuelson’s latest blog posting at freep.com incorrectly stated that Peterson was acquired after the Draft last year. Check out his article here. I read Jamie’s blog yesterday, and it must’ve stuck in my head. Sometime during my lunch hour I realized that what Jamie wrote and what I posted was incorrect, so I logged back in to fix it. At least he was correct about Larry Foote and Jon Jansen.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it ~Aristotle
Again...
…I’m not calling these guys world beaters, nor am I ready to send all of them to the Pro Bowl. I’m simply making the argument that we don’t know what they’ll be capable of yet. At one point both Houston and Wade must have been promising, or they wouldn’t have been drafted in early rounds. Maybe they can still be coached into contributing at a high level? They may be just as bad as last year, or even worse, the point is I don’t think we know yet?
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
So basically we all agree that we don't know what to expect from these people.
Why would the Rams bench Wade if he was playing good? Their defense is almost as bad as ours, it makes no sense, especially coming from Spagnuolo, a defensive minded coach. You have to be kidding me with our safeties. They are terrible outside of Delmas. Your posts to links about “breakout candidates” are bogus. I didn’t see mention of any of ours cornerbacks in the links. We are all just hoping for good years from these players. Haven’t we hoped long enough? I want a legitimate starter in our backfield, not a bunch of “maybes” and “what ifs.” I’ve been a Lions fan for over 20 years so I get the optimism, but let’s face it, any NFL expert would agree our secondary is the worst in the NFL and until Houston and Spievey show they are monsters on the field, I have to agree.
by Barry the Great on Apr 30, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You must not have read all the links, the last one specifically relates to the Lions CB's
As for the Safeties Ko Simpson was adequate, though not stellar he is not terrible.
To go back to the old Pro Football Focus argument, Delmas ranked 21st and Simpson 60th, Manual ranked 48th out of 87. Granted 48 and 60 are not top notch but they are middle of the pack, average players. Some notable names below Ko Simpson: Gerals Alexander, Kevin Payne, Mike Brown, LaRon Landry. Notable names below Manual: Deon Grant, Antrel Rolle.
As far as maybes and what ifs that goes for every player in the NFL. No one knows what anyone will do this year. For all you know Favre could go out there and lead the league in interceptions and get a career ending injury. Cutler could be the top QB in the league under Martz. No one has a crystal ball so saying that you want a proven vet means nothing. You know we went down that road before with guys like Bodden and Buchanon and Woody. Your line of thinking is just plain doom and gloom, I doubt the Lions could do anything to have you see the glass half full. They took a different route and picked up guys that had a lot of upside and fit our style of play. I commend them for going at the problem from a different angle and think that the results will be somewhere in the middle. Everything wont turn out perfect, nor will all of these guys bust. Some of them will work out and be successful and that is a hell of a lot better than where we were last year.
Read the following links
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2010/04/jim_schwartz_on_wdfn_detroit_l.html
Even Schwartz realizes our secondary is still awful. I’m not doom and gloom I’m being realistic. Delmas is great, yes, but outside of him, we got nothing. And there are sure things in football, come on. If we had Nnamdi Asomugha at CB, we would all be excited because we know he’s a shutdown corner. Or Darrelle Revis. What we have are a bunch of “if he plays like he is capable of.” Marquand Manual is terrible, by the way.
by Barry the Great on May 1, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Schwartz did not say the secondary was aweful that is your words LoL
The first link you provided has nothing to do with anything Schwartz said and is just someones opinion, pre-draft and Amari Spievy nonetheless. That article is more about Casey Fitzsimmons that anything.
The second link I listened to and it is about coaching not personnel. He talks about working on those guys, seeing what they have and putting the pieces we already have in place. Were not even to the point where he could say we do or don’t need anything in particular because none of us, even the coach knows exactly what we have yet.
“Probably still secondary,” Schwartz notes on WDFN-AM. "We’ve added a lot of pieces there, but we need to get that settled.
“Really, the only spot pretty well written in ink back there is Louis Delmas at one of the safety spots. Everybody else is competing, and there are some guys who are probably a little bit ahead of the others right now. “But that’s a group that needs to play together, as a group. We’ve mixed in, now, some rookies along with some veterans, along with a lot of different styles of play. And that’s probably the biggest thing (to do), is fitting that all together.”
My problem with your take on things is this.
You discount Jonathan Wade, Chris Houston, and Amari Spievey before you have even seen them play as a unit together in our defensive scheme. On top of that it is well known that most corner backs take 3-4 years to develop in the NFL and that means that guys like Wade and Houston could be ready to have break out years here. Add into that the fact that we have some promising UDFA corner backs in camp that you don’t even include in the mix. Add into that the fact that DeAngelo Smith was already cut, which says that every one we currently still have is better than he was, and he started for us at nickel back last year. Some of those guys will be only marginally better than him, and some will be a lot better than him. Any way you want to try to put the glass half empty all of the evidence points to it being half full. Every guy we have left in camp including some rookies are considered better by the coach and front office than our starting nickle back was last year.
I'm not sure why you don't recognize the fact...
that nearly every analyst and blogger with a clue about the NFL all agree that the Lions still have the worst secondary in football. That’s the bottom line. And you just said yourself….guys “could be ready” to have good seasons. I could also win the lottery. Why we are so hung up on what could is beyond me. Delmas is the only truth in the secondary. It’s not good enough.
by Barry the Great on May 1, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone is making the argument...
…that the secondary is a finished product. I think what people are taking issue with is that you are so dead set on calling it the “worst secondary in the NFL”. I, for one, have not read that this is the worst secondary in the NFL anywhere, and even if I did it can’t really be proven until there are statistics to back the argument up.
The Lions secondary remains a considerable work in progress, unfortunately. Even with the additions of DB’s Dante Wesley, Chris Houston, and Jonathan Wade, aside from Louis Delmas, and a potentially healthy return to productivity by Daniel Bullocks, the Lions have few resources to draw upon to bolster one of the all-time worst pass defense’s in NFL history.
Even this largely opinion based article that you posted the link to is somewhat contradictory. They basically acknowledge the the secondary will be completely different than it was last year (Houston, Wade, Bullocks), but say that there are few resources to draw from. While the resources they have may have done little to impress so far (on other teams, in other defenses), it is almost a completely different pool.
Not to mention, (although I have elsewhere), that the DLine is drastically different and hopefully improved, which will immediately increase the secondaries chance of success this year.
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
heard pacman on 2 live stews sporting news radio interview
said GB , Cincy , Jacksonville and Detroit showing interest
by Wayne Fontes on Apr 29, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
At the risk of exposing myself as an idiot...
…doesn’t “closed the book” mean they’ve officially written him off?
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
One year deal is fine
with performance bonuses.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Hey Sean send the FO a message from all of POD...
Get this kid in here, remarkable turn around when he was in Dallas he showed glimses of what he was when you drafted him but fizzled out, now the guy has true meaning in his life he wont be just hurting himself anymore. A child can change boys to men the question is did it change him, as a fan of the Lions for 32 yrs i would be honored to have this guy on the team and i believe he did make a change in his life.
Agree
This whole time I was against Detroit signing him, but after reading his interview… I believe Pacman. Sign him to a one year deal. The guy knows if he screws up again… NO nfl team will ever deal with him again. He has learned his lesson.
I believe him too...
…or at least I believe that he believes himself.
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
I never was against it but like Schwartz and Co.
i had to believe it, its easy to say that any player trying to get back in the NFL could stay clean for 3 months but he hasn’t had any trouble since Dallas plus living in N.O is very tempting so once again i have to take my hat off to the guy
In the interest of starting something out of nothing...
…anyone think that there’s more going on here than just a player that has a troubled past? I mean, we’re talking a former pro-bowl caliber corner who is still only 26yrs old, and is alledgedly in fantastic shape. How is it that nobody has brought him in for at least a private work out? With so many defensive backs flying off the board last weekend, it’s pretty evident that several teams are looking for help at the position. So to be a completely irresponsible internet blogger:
Could this possibly be a case of collusion (see Barry Bonds…allegedly)?
"Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer." -Mark Twain
I like what the FO is doing....
First, there’s no rush to sign him. He’s a veteran that is familiar with the defense.
Second, he’s being good and is walking on glass…. make him wait and get him used to being good.
3rdly…. Making him want it, earn it, and respect it. By ignoring the little brat, he’ll hopefully complete his transition to a mature adult.
Keep it up FO, if he stays clean… I’d like to see PacMan in Detroit.
Please sign adam jones
I will get his jersey immediately. Make it rain in detroit!
by redwingxviii on Apr 29, 2010 5:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I was always a bit iffy about him coming here
But if he’s truly managed to turn his life around then yeah, I think we should give him a go.
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
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Cmon lets stop clowning around and sign Pacman already!!!
First off we are the worst team at CB right now! the only guys that can play are Chris Houston & Jon Wade, Amari Spievey (maybe), the thing with Pacman is he wants to be a LION, he wants to take the MININUM SALARY, and hes a major UPGRADE, personally everytime we wait around on a player we get dicked over and our division rivals get them, example Lito Sheppard who came to the Lions first, then the Vikings got him against us which really sux, I say we give Pacman a chance, he should be based on what he is going to do now, not what he did then, maybe he really did straighten up, its worth the risk. hes the missing link to the secondary, like I said and what the Lions franchise said last year “If a player wants to be a Lion, we will do everything we can to work something out” remember Larry Foote, at the end of the 2009 season he wanted to stay, the thing was Schwartz and Co offered him a 1 year extension, but Foote got greedy and wanted a long term deal, which didnt pan out and he went back to Pittsburgh. Besides that we no longer have CBs Anthony Henry, William James, & Phillip Buchannon (now a Redskin), and as the offseason gets closer to the preseason and season the choices of players get slimmer and slimmer! Like I said we definately have nothing to lose signing Pacman Jones, I think we should also resign William James or Anthony Henry for depth as well both those players arent going to ask for crazy money and both led team interceptions last year!
They led the team in INT's by default.
Because they played the most. They are both awful otherwise. We need a legitimate corner.
by Barry the Great on Apr 30, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
As for the Lions not going for bad character guys I had to look up a reverance someone made about Reggie Rogers, I thought for sure them meant Charles
Reggie was a bit before I was aware of things like this in sports so I found a good reference on the bleacerreport consider everything below this a quote since I don’t know how to make the quote thingy work with multiple paragraphs LoL!
Couldn’t find any pictures of this guy, but it’s not surprising.
Reggie Rogers was chosen seventh overall by the Lions in the 1987 NFL draft and is notorious for being one of the biggest busts in NFL history. He only played six games as a rookie, due to emotional problems.
After only five games during his second year, Rogers was drunk and got into a car accident, killing three teenagers and breaking his neck. This was just one of his many drunk driving incidents.
The Lions soon released Rogers, and he went on to serve a 16-month prison sentence for vehicular homicide.
Once out of prison and healed up, he tried to come back to football, but was unsuccessful, and completely out of football by 1992.
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