Tom Lewand Blew A .21 On Breathalyzer
by Sean Yuille on Jun 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT
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Police report in Tom Lewand case details he blew a .21 on the breathalyzer test when brought back to the police station - 1:04am, Saturday.
This provides a bit more clarity about how drunk Lewand was when he was arrested. Some suggested he just had a few too many beers and decided to drive home, but a .21 seems like more than just a few too many, especially when you consider that was what he blew at the police station.
Just for reference purposes, this is what the effects of a BAC that high are, according to Wikipedia:
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I realize people handle their alcohol differently, but it's not like he was a little buzzed and got on the road. Lewand's BAC was quite high, and to get on the road in that state is just completely irresponsible.
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This guy has been doing a great job for us as President
Let’s hope this provides a good wake up call to him and inspires him to get cleaned up.
**** cringes ****
That’s a little higher than I would have expected. That’s not tipsy… that’s schnockered. Big-time mistake for a guy with as much responsibility as he has.
FIRE HIS ASS!!
This is a very BAD example to be setting to our young players….and I do not give a damn how good of a job he has done or what his title is AT ALL! At the very least, he should be fined by Goodell.
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I think he'll get his pocketbook smacked...
but doubt it goes beyond that. I’m a little self-serving in this one. Yes, he’s become a very bad example and a person in his position simply can’t do this. BUT… who’s going to come in and get our rookies signed in such short order? I’m sure it can be done, but do we want to get into that? On the job, he has been a great Team President. It’s off the field that’s the problem. I agree that he’s in a very public position, but he still wasn’t drinking on the job (that we know of). He has his demons to exorcise in his personal life, but his work record is clean. I say fine him and let him get back to work. If it happens again……. that’s another story.
Ok...maybe firing him would be a bit harsh....
But I do believe he is in a position where his salary and responsibility should hold him to a higher standard than an average player…
It just seems like a fine and community service is not enough. My Dad was an alcoholic, and I know very well from personal experience that small time punishments will not change a damn thing.
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There HAS to be some kind of repercusion
Either from the team or league it doesn’t matter. It has to be more than a slap on the wrist too just to set an example. The state will do a pretty good job of hitting him with fines and whatnot but that won’t be enough.
The Lions no longer wear Honolulu Blue. It is now Suhnami Blue
by Enforcer on Jun 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree
But I feel that he will get off easily…and with me growing up with an alcoholic father, I find it hard to believe that a slap on the wrist will change what he does. It takes something severe sometimes to wake people with major addictions up, and even then it doesn’t always work. My Dad ended up in prison, and he went right back to drinking when he got out, plus he told stories of how he made hooch when he was in prison. Seriously, it is a major problem…and punishment such as a fine and community service will do nothing except waste some of the man’s time. He HAS to be held to a higher standard, and he HAS to realize that this type of behavior is absolutely unacceptable. His job should hang in the balance, and his way of life should be threatened…otherwise I think it is only a matter of time before it happens again, and maybe next time he kills someone. Plus, what kind of message does it send to the rest of the organization when the TEAM PRESIDENT is out doing things with such irresponsibility??
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he doesn't have to be held to a higher standard at all
let’s say they do fire lewand. where would you like him to work? can he be the president of another company? can he be a police officer? where does it end?
DUI’s should be handled similarly, whether it’s the president of the lions, me, you, whomever. We need to stop pretending that we are any different than lewand. if YOU made a mistake outside of your job, whether it be a DUI, marijuana, whatever, i won’t be calling for you to lose your job. and i don’t care what job that is. if you get a dui, i expect you to be fined or whatever the court deems appropriate. that’s the end of it.
people are inherently equal.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
*1
I dont hold Leward to higher standards just because of who he is. He fucked up. And he will pay a price for that mistake. It should not be held over his head for the rest of his life.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
I agree
It should not be held over his head for the rest of his life…however he must also be held accountable for his actions, and the repercussions must be relevant to the mistake AND the position that he holds.
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i just don't understand how the position he holds matters
i treat the guy at burger king the same as i treat my friends, the same as i treat my boss, the same as i treat my clients.
one law book is enough for me.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It is plainly obvious that you do not understand the difference...
between corporate culture and values, and everyday life.
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i'm pretty sure i do
but i’m going to agree with you.
hold lewand to a higher standard. please someone do something SERIOUS here because we need to set an example for all these FOOTBALL players, which are exalted because they make a lot of MONEY and i DON’T
if these FOOTBALL players aren’t held to a higher standard, than kids EVERYWHERE will do stupid shit and we’ll all be fucked.
string lewand up! (but not the random guy that got a DUI this morning, because, well, fuck him, he’s nobody. light fine and some community service will do)
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
it really all comes down to money with guys like you, doesn't it?
in your world, people that make more than you should be punished more severely. that’s really what it looks like to me.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No sir
With great power comes great responsibility…it is all about the principle, not the money.
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Just take a step back and calm down....
You and I can still be friends.
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I think you're missing the picture, KDawg.
The DUI is not the problem.
Lewand’s job is to stack and pack contracts and financially prepare the Lions for future seasons. IF, IF this DUI affects his job and hinders the Detroit Lions, then there’s an issue with his further employment.
As for fines and such, this falls under the NFL conduct policy and I’m sure Goodell will be issuing some fines and such.
redwing
Excellent perspective!! Everyone wants to hammer the guy because of his position and salary. There are some, however, who should be held to a higer standard. Those that legislate these laws, (which almost never happens) and those that enforce these laws. About 25 years ago, a drunk cop hit two men with his car, almost killed them both. One lost an arm, and one lost a leg. No jail time!!!!! And then in a different county a cop hit a woman friend of mine as she walked across the street from a bar to her car and killed her. No sobriety tests, breathalyzer, or alchohol blood content test for him until 12 hrs. later, but because she was leaving a bar, and had been drinking, which lots of people do in bars, he was cleared, and kept his job. Sometimes this shit just pisses me off.
Too funny
You say all of that, yet it is a fact that employers do background checks and discriminate against people who DO have records of DUI, use of marijuana, and other crimes. Are they supposed to discriminate on non-felonious charges? No, but that does not change the fact that they do. A person applying for a job, with a clean record and the same skills as a person applying for that same position, will get the job every time over the person who has a criminal record (a misdemeanor). Bank on it.
I don’t care where Tom Lewand would be able to work if he lost his job…that is not my point. My point is that he holds a position of authority, and he MUST be held to a standard that is relevant to such position.
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how many wrongs make a right?
so because some employers discriminate on things they aren’t supposed to, your argument is stronger? how many wrongs make a right?
and it’s “your” in case “you’re” applying for something in the future.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
lol...thanks for the grammar lesson of total irrelevance
Where in my post did I say “you’re” when I should have said “your”??
if YOU made a mistake outside of your job, whether it be a DUI, marijuana, whatever, i won’t be calling for you to lose your job. and i don’t care what job that is. if you get a dui, i expect you to be fined or whatever the court deems appropriate. that’s the end of it.
YOU won’t be calling for my job, but maybe SOMEBODY would…and my point was to invalidate your point, not to strengthen mine. I respect your opinion, but I was just trying to point out that your opinion does not weaken the fact that there is a moral obligation for corporate executives, which is derived directly from the company’s corporate culture and values. Personal life and corporate life are two different things.
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also, you're only half right, in the most generic sense
this is a bit tricky because i’m going to grossly generalize, and you can come up with plenty of examples of where this doesn’t apply.
but for the most part, employers are screening their employees for addictions. here’s how it’s supposed to work, i think.
1) employee applies for job
2) employee knows a drug test is coming
3) employee doesn’t do drugs for a while
4) employee passes test
5) employer never tests again
i don’t do drugs. i don’t condone drug use (because it’s against the law). but this is pretty much the reality. i’ve known plenty of co-workers that use drugs from time to time, and suffer no penalty, and i don’t think a DUI would be cause for termination.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I conceded above....
Maybe firing him would be a bit harsh….
But I do believe he is in a position where his salary and responsibility should hold him to a higher standard than an average player…
And your generalization does not take into account a prospective employee who already has a criminal record, and this argument is becoming completely irrelevant to the issue.
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Dawg
Simmer down dude. I like reading your insightful posts, but your emotion is ruling here. I know you have good reason to be so judgemental, but don’t. The system will give him an adequate fucking, we citizens all supposedly live under the same laws, and Roger will take care of the ‘higher standard’ stuff’. Justice will be served. It always is. My ex-wife caught herpes. OOO-RAH
Should be a two street!!
How’s everyone talking all this crap about how he should be fired and disciplined when nobody said not a damn thing about how vince young should have been punished? He straight up co-cocked this dude on camera and goodell is saying it’s unlikely that vince will get suspended…Well if that’s the way it is then lewand shouldn’t be punished either…I realize that a DUI is a serious offense, but a criminal act is a criminal act and I didn’t see goodell driving drunk on t.v. ; but what we did see as well as all of youngs fans who look up to him from 8-23 years old was him punching a dude on t.v. So which is worse, I know you guys will take up for vince, but whatever cuz all this bullcrap that roethlisberger should be punished because pacman, chad johnson and all these other guys are getting punished and that it’s racist cuz all the black players are getting punished but not the whites…Well there was no evidence what so ever that Ben did that, all that was proven was they had sex which he admitted and there was no prosecution…Well Vince is gonna get prosecuted for misdemeanor charges on assault, that’s a charge and should be a punishment…Same should go for goodell, if he is convicted of a DUI then he should be punished, but if Vince gets away with it and goodell don’t, would we call that racist? We all know that won’t be the case!!
by LionsAreMySpouse on Jun 28, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
Vince Young is not on the Detroit Lions
And I would venture a guess that aside from maybe Stafford, Suh and Calvin Johnson that any other player would have garnered some of the same emotions. If Dennis Northcutt would have been caught in the same situation, people would be calling for his immediate release. It IS a two-way street.
so in your opinion
let’s say stafford gets caught drinking and driving, blows a .21, lies, etc.
let’s assume that we agree there are legal ramifications, fines, community service, whatever.
now let’s debate what happens to the NFL player.
1) there’s a good conduct policy. i don’t really like the good conduct policy, but i do think it’s fair – it’s a set of rules that all players have to follow.
2) let’s assume stafford’s dui doesn’t lead to a death. i think this gets 4-8 games under the policy.
3) let’s assume stafford’s dui DOES lead to a death. this presumably leads to much more serious consequences, certainly legally, but potentially under the good conduct policy.
i’m undecided, but i sometimes wonder if the penalty for a dui should be the same with or without a death (obviously i’d rather it just be more serious)
so again, let’s say stafford, .21, no death.
do you want him:
kicked off the team?
kicked out of the league?
suspended?
severely fined?
benched?
and then contrast stafford to northcutt (or someone we don’t care about that much)
should it be the same or different?
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Different
Stafford’s contract situation makes this different. That’s why I said, “aside from Stafford, Suh and Johnson”. The magnitude of those contracts (and really the importance to the team) changes things.
If this was Stafford’s first offense… at .21 and no death… I could see him getting suspended for 2-4 games and although I’d be mighty pissed, I would think that a fair punishment (if not, a tad too much). I would not want him kicked off the team or league. I think that’s too far for any player on a first offense. Hell, Donte Stallworth is still in the league. After a second offense, then I think there is a deeper issue and maybe at that point, he’s no longer got the makings of a star Lion’s player.
so are you saying
so are you saying that stafford gets 2-4 games, but a lesser player (i don’t know, derrick williiams) should get a different penalty?
also assuming lewand’s penalty should be different, in your opinion, right?
i’m just asking, i won’t even comment beyond that.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
I guess maybe it’s a moot point because the league rules aren’t/shouldn’t be biased. I’m thinking about this from a team penalty standpoint, because to fire Lewand would be a team decision. For instance…
If Northcutt got a DUI, the Lions could just cut him and not deal with the headache. They could not do that with Stafford. The investment is too big to simply throw him away. He would get every benefit of the doubt in a situation like this. A guy like Northcutt, who is on a short leash as is, would not. So if the team was left to give the penalty, more factors are associated. That’s why it’s not cut and dried with Lewand. He has significant importance to the team (like Stafford does) and his situation will be handled as such.
clarifications
1) what exactly are you referring to as a “moot point”
2) why should league rules be unbiased, but team rules be biased? i understand the practical reasons – stafford is highly paid, not easily replaced, and essential to the success of the team. all fine and well. but to use your term from the other thread, it’s a bit of a “slippery slope” to say that stafford should be less penalized by the team for violating the rules.
i thought you started out by saying lewand should be punished MORE severely because of his responsibility and leadership, but now it seems you are suggesting he should be penalized LESS (by the team) because of his significant importance. and then generically, players with big contracts can better afford to make mistakes because they are not easily replaced.
is that right?
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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1) That team sanctions probably don’t fall into play because the league penalties would be enforced, so the moot point is the comparison between the penalty for Stafford vs. Northcutt at a league level.
2) Team rules are biased because different players represent different investments to the team. Right or wrong, that’s the way it is. So if Stafford gets a DUI, you cut him? Ridiculous. No way that happens. Look at Ben Roethlisburger. Why is he still with the Steelers after all he’s done? Team investment and importance to the team. Biased? Yep. Right? I dunno… but it’s the way it is.
I never said Lewand should be punished more. I think he should be held to a higher level of accountability because of his role, but because of his importance and past track record, he should not get fired. He should get the correct monetary fine and/or suspension for the crime, but not lose his job… just like Stafford would. Northcutt… he’d get axed… make sense now?
not really, no
i agree with you that Lewand should not be punished more.
but then you say this:
“I think he should be held to a higher level of accountability…”
what does “held to a higher level of accountability” mean? to me, it means something other than “correct monetary fine”
now, you seem to suggest i would cut Stafford for a DUI, but throughout the thread I suggested Lewand should be dealt with by the law and the law only. No suspension, no league fine, nothing. I would say the same for Stafford. No suspension, no league fine, nothing. I would say the same for Northcutt. No suspension, no league fine, nothing.
i’m not saying you’re calling for lewand’s head, i think it’s a double standard for those that do “call for lewand’s head” “based on principal” but when it affects their quarterback, a suspension is “bullshit and overboard – look at stallworth!”
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying, same applies for all at a league level...
but at the team level, it may vary. I never once called for Lewand’s head, but I do believe that his position as management does call for him to be held at a higher level of accountability versus a player. What that means exactly? Well, it’s open for interpretation. To me, it’s worse for a front office executive setting the standards for excellence to get caught doing this versus a twentysomething millionaire player. How much different in terms of punishment… again, it’s open for interpretation, but it should be something extra – from the team (not the league or the law). Basically, I’m saying I don’t care what that little extra is (or even that he gets it at all), just don’t fire the guy.
BTW… I didn’t mean to suggest “you” would cut Stafford. I was generalizing the situation.
maybe we get to the same place in the end
i think in the end, we both are saying “shit happens, deal with it in some appropriate fashion, and move on”
i don’t think you’re going to get your wish on “management being held to a higher level of accountability versus a player” however. because it’s a lot easier to fine a player that makes millions than an executive that makes “less millions.”
meaning, Ben is losing a lot for being suspended 8 games (losing 8 game checks, I believe), and that just won’t work the same for Lewand.
If I had my way though, I’d just suggest that commenters cast stones the same way if this happens to Stafford, Calvin, Northcutt, their own friends – regardless how the “system” hands out punishments.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah... but it really isn't the same.
He IS management. He is the Team President of the Lions. If the CEO of the company I worked for got a DUI and I got a DUI… which is worse? From the perspective of the law… neither. From a shareholder’s perspective…. not even close. That is the responsibility and accountability that I speak of. There IS a difference!
if the CEO of your company got a dui, the shareholder can make a decision on whether to continue investing in the company. that decision can be moral (“i don’t support drinking and driving”) or it can be based on something else (“the CEO has increased my wealth, so i’ll give him a pass”)
if your favorite player gets a DUI – you’d hope he doesn’t get more than two games. so do you really care about DUIs?
for all the arrogant fist shaking, you’ll still watch on tv, you’ll still go to games, etc.
you care about wins first. so stop the self righteous bullshit – if lewand took snaps, you’d be saying the penalty should be less than whatever it was going to be
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Self-righteous bullshit???
Okay, I was being nice up until that. Show me where I was being self-righteous… please. Look through all the threads on Lewand over the last few hours and show me my self righteous quotes.
First, I am a shareholder of the Lions. I go to games, buy jerseys, buy other Lions merchandise, etc… so I AM privvy to my opinions on the matter, regardless what redwingxviii thinks about the matter.
Second, I do care about DUIs and so do the lawmakers. They will do what they will on the matter. The league part of this… where Lewand holds a very public position… is the part open for debate by WE THE FANS – by which he has his freakin’ job in the first place. I can throw as many stones as I can carry… it’s my prerogative and as much as you’d like to “block my comments”… you can’t.
Third, take a hike. You were just itchin’ for an argument here and I’m done with you.
here's one for the readers struggling with addiction
“Knowing the struggles I contend with each day, I have very little sympathy for those that CHOOSE the easy path of addiction. True… addiction is not easy. But falling into it is. I feel for them, but they are not victims… they just play one in real life…..”
and i’ll happily get my lions news elsewhere. no worries man. later.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That is me being self-righteous?
Wow.. you had to dig for that one… and it’s out of context to boot.
Wow.. you had to dig for that one… and it’s out of context to boot.You even know what I’m talking about there? It’s how I lost my wife to cancer just over a year ago and how I use my own will power not to fall into addiction. Maybe you should read the rest of the thread before spouting off at the mouth, asshole.
digging... to earlier today?
you posted that…today…
some people have the “will power not to fall into addiction”
some people “play the victim” / “choose to be addicted”
i’ll have to let my friends and family that were lost to addiction know that they didn’t have as much will power as others, so it was their fault.
for those that want the full context but don’t want to dig to earlier today (post was on saturday, since that will come up next): http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2010/6/26/1539446/breaking-news-tom-lewand-arrested
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
here was my other favorite
“A DUI is a big deal. People need to stop poo-pooing the offense. It is serious and it will be dealt with from a legal standpoint.”
contrasted with
" I could see him [Stafford] getting suspended for 2-4 games and although I’d be mighty pissed, I would think that a fair punishment (if not, a tad too much)."
so “DUI is serious” but not “2-4 games serious” (when it involves my QB)
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow... you are a true blue asshole.
First, I meant that you had to go to another post, just to prove that I said something (which isn’t even self-righteous, IMO… just an opinion based on my own experiences)
Second, yes, DUI is a big deal and yes, I would be pissed if I lost my starting quarterback for 2-4 games. Two different things, jerk-off. Not saying I would be pissed because he got suspended because of a DUI, but because he got suspended and couldn’t play. Are you that thick that you can’t get that basic concept?
I think it’s time to stop this. I’ve been a part of this site for a long time and don’t want to get banned over a piece of trash like you. You wanna keep going after me… have fun….
1) you told me to go to other posts
2) i know that you’re pissed because he can’t play. are you too thick to realize that i’m saying you’re NOT pissed about a dui?
3) i’m glad you’re going to stop the holier than thou crap about having the will power to not make mistakes like lewand did.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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1) Yes, I did. But you still came back with quotes in which you read what you wanted in them
2) I am pissed about the DUI, said it a million times… hello, McFly….
3) Because I choose not to drink and drive and have the will power to be successful and make good decisions makes me holier than thou? Whatever. I can boast it because I live it. I got lots of stones and live in a brick house. I throw every single one of ‘em if I want.
4) I have this flaw…. see, I just can’t seem to back down to some witless punk who doesn’t know when to quit. So bring it…….
1) there are no two ways to read the quote. you say it’s their fault for being addicted.
now. here is where i’m being a dick. i actually agree with you for the most part. but i understand people like OKC for saying that they don’t. there’s definitely a thin line. but i do wish MORE people had your initiative.
2) i think you are only pissed about the DUI in the context that it costs you games. if there were no suspension, i don’t think you bother saying anything about stafford needing to be held to a higher standard. this is my entire reason for posting. lewand is an easier target to criticize.
3) this is almost the definition of being self righteous, but whatever. i’m glad you follow the law. i do too. i would never cause harm to your or anyone else’s kids due to reckless behavior.
4) i think your problem is that you don’t fully understand your point. you call for “higher accountability,” and then say that “higher accountability” is “subject to debate.” you’re really making a stand against drunk driving, which is fine. i’m against it too. but you don’t want to apply that stand across more players. so i think you’re picking on lewand because it’s convenient. you even joke “punish him after he signs suh”
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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1) Yes, you are a dick… there we agree. There are other ways to read quotes… especially when you are looking to knock someone down.
2) Nope… dead wrong here and not sure how you came to this conclusion. I absolutely care about the law-crashing effects of a DUI and the people and families it affects. I’ve said that before. But from a fan’s perspective, there is also disappointment in that it takes away from trying to win.
3) Self-Righteous: “when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others”. I wasn’t being smug, nor overly moralistic. Just showing that it is possible to make other choices. You’ve obviously got some wierd agenda against me or something, so you will read what you want.
4) I don’t understand my point? Uh… okay. I’m just saying that the lines are not black and white… there is a gray area. I just think that concept is too complex for you. You do realize that I’m talking about DUIs from a law perpective, DUIs from a league punishment perspective, DUIs from a taem punishment perspective, etc, etc, etc… You are mashing a bunch of my comments from a similar topic about different parts of the whole to make your own odd point… whatever that may be. I think it’s simply to be able to state that DrewsLions is wrong. Not sure why…..
And yes, I JOKED about signing Suh… sigh.
well, whatever
there’s no hope in arguing.
but i didn’t take any quote out of context.
YOU have the will power to do the right thing.
“Addicts” don’t have the willpower.
You have all the stones in the world to cast in your brick house, which means…. well, you know
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I do have will power... I am not an addict
Addicts don’t have will power… therefore, they are addicted. I don’t get your problem with that or me. You came looking for an argument… don’t be pissy because you found one.
Sorry
Addicts made the CHOICE to let alcohol ruin their life, and they are not victims.
/clean up
you totally won the fight man, king of the internet. you and your brick house will never make a mistake, and people like lewand must be made an example of because they are rich and powerful.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, you came looking for it...
Like I said before, don’t go cryin’ because you found someone who punches back. You came after me… remember?
cry cry
you punch back? you typed back. poorly.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
btw
LOVE how much satisfaction you get from this. to me it’s sad. sad that people “cast stones from their brick houses”
you think you’re in a real fight. you’re getting pumped up! you’re the man (in your world)
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Is that what you really think?
I think that is hilarious. What satisfaction am I getting? Someone starts a bunch of crap with me and that’s fun? I enjoy a good debate, but not an assult on my character. I’m just not backing down from a witless worm like you, that’s all. You read too much into everything.
How old are you? I’d really like to know. If I had to guess, I’d say about seventeen. That might be our difference……
Staying out of this argument,
But lay off DrewLions man, he has more than proven his character and integrity here, and you’re starting to make me sick. Whatever my opinion is on the original topic, this needs to stop.
show some class man, 26 going on 12
+1
DrewsLions has been around way before even me, and has never been a malcontent. So lets all chill.
was crazy man
this lewand clown must be held to a higher level of accountability.
by redwingxviii on Jun 29, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I don't
And I’m not sure what you mean by “switching positions”, but it makes me plenty uncomfortable. And I’m not being self-righteous about your lifestyle choices… what you do behind closed doors is none of my business!
good gay joke
switching arguments. i will argue from your POV, you argue from mine. it will help us understand each other.
by redwingxviii on Jun 29, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't argue from yours....
I can’t think that stupid.
You brought this all on yourself…. try getting a legit debate from me now…. not happenin’!
i didn't get one in the first place
i argued that people are equal. you argue that you cast stones from a brick house
by redwingxviii on Jun 29, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Obvious mental instability because....
you are beating your head against a “brick” wall here with no sign of giving up.
I’m responding only out of sheer morbid curiosity at this point. You’ll get nothing but smart ass cracks from this point forward from me… so just stop commenting on my posts. Maybe that banning a poster thing might be a good idea after all….
i'm happy you agree with the banning thing
but SBN can’t adjust the settings. too many problems.
clever use of “brick”
by redwingxviii on Jun 29, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
oh snap
did i make gay jokes or something against the rules?
i am cowering in fear of your internet power.
by redwingxviii on Jun 30, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that's a little much...
People are just saying that he not in a good position for something like this to happen (recovering alcoholic, president of a multi-billion dollar football team, etc). Problems are magnified when your in the spotlight. He made the choice to do what he did. Now he has to deal with the outcry.
deal with the outcry
from people behind a computer screen that won’t make a real stand against DUIs
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What the f*$k is your problem... dude?
Every comment I make, you’re coming behind me starting shit. What is it, huh? I obviously did or said something to you.
nah
i shouldn’t have responded to that one. mistake on my part. happy to continue our thread
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about Lewand
But I’m thinking it’s about time we create a shrine of sorts for Mayhew. That guy is the Detroit football messiah, can you even IMAGINE what the roster would look like right now if Millen was still running the team?
football talk has no place on this site
i’m so excited for bears / lions. i have this dream where we win big. it’s possible right?
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, all we do is talk about laws and politics on this blog
Saying football talk has no place on this site is just moronic. Again, the fact that the Lions’ president got a DUI is news. I’m sorry if this truly bothers you, but if you want football talk go look through the archives but the thousands and thousands of football-related posts. Good God.
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of the thousands and thousands*
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i was kidding, obviously
the football talk was a welcome relief. i’ll be happy to wake up tomorrow and personally only focus on that.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
*"obviously"
not as obvious online, so, strike that
i was kidding. it’s a football site. i get that.
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny how quick you are to change your tune...
when Sean replies to you. In the wise words of the immortal Bugs Bunny… “What a Maroon!”
sean hasn't made arguments like you
i know you think “i started it” and maybe the self righteous bullshit comment was over the line, but, i think the “cast stones from brick houses” sorta proves my point (in my mind, maybe nobody else’s).
we’re never going to be friends, but, well, there are football players that aren’t friends but on the same team too
by redwingxviii on Jun 28, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Sorry I missed the whole thing
not a big deal
a DUI isnt a big deal 2 drinks and your considered over the limit. most people in here if caught would have at least one DUI if they are drinkers. everyone can hangup the witch hunt
It's not a big deal...
Until it kills someone…
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
and .21??
More than a couple of drinks.
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Agree completely
A DUI is a big deal. People need to stop poo-pooing the offense. It is serious and it will be dealt with from a legal standpoint.
Whether or not he should be fired is open for debate, but whether or not what he did was right or not a big deal is NOT open for debate. He broke the law and could have killed another person… that cannot be taken lightly.
i posted without thinking first
with toms estimated weight and if the reports are accurate in the time frame he probably had about 9 drinks
I Bar-tend,
and you would have to have more than 9 drinks to blow a .21
let’s start by defining a drink, one drink = 12 oz of 3.9% abv beer. 5 oz of 12% abv wine. or 1oz 80 proof liquor.
In addition you have to figure in how long he was drinking, because your body processes alcohol throughout the evening. To blow a .21 at midnight tells me you were drinking all night, if you had a couple or even many drinks earlier you would start to recover. But to blow a .21 at 1am after lying to cops and refusing a breathalyzer. NO BUENO
in conclusion if you drink yourself to a .21 bac, and then get behind the wheel of a car. YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. sorry, but you do, normal people don’t drink like that, and if they do, they can’t even get the keys in the lock to open the door.
Your math and numbers ...
Are very well done. +! Millions. Your right the body is processing the whole evening. And the Test was some time after he was done. Even if he was fine and complete motorskills intact, he still had tons of drinks supposidly whle “recovering.” This done possibly among people who some should have known what was going on and said something. I don’t know about penalities or if standards are higher or not, blah blah, no opinions but I would not trust this dipshit in my everyday life.
Yes I know I have typos.
apparently not....
Stallworth got drunk and killed someone, what did he get for manslaughter? oh yeah i remember, one year in prison and a one year suspension from the NFL..
by LionsAreMySpouse on Jun 28, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
Not even a year
Try less than 30 days.
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good call....
your completely right, I couldn’t remember if it was a month or a year, but ah what the hell, it’s only minor till Lewand gets one apparently.
by LionsAreMySpouse on Jun 28, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions
some people have low tolerance
so if they cant handle it and still function then they shouldn’t drink. .08 isn’t much alcohol just saying
Where you getting this .08... he blew .21
And if you’re simply referencing the law and how driving drunk isn’t a big deal, I think you need to pipe down. There are most likely people on this site that have lost loved ones or friends to drunk drivers, so stop being so blatantly insensitive…. sheesh.
You shouldn't have to tell people this....
Then again, if you are the “real” Hasselhoff… I understand where you get your point of view……
.08 is the law to be considered drunk
as far as being “insensitive” i have been in an accident while someone was drunk and driving. try taking a 1995 eagle talon around a sharp curve at over 100 mph. car flipped 7×. nobody is being “insensitive” again i’m saying some people have a high tolerance while others don’t. .08 is the limit that isn’t very high. tom blew a .21 apparentley he couldn’t handle his alcohol, which is irresponsible. i would probably blow a .08 right now or even higher, but i can still type this post (with some bad grammar) and i know where the bathroom is. i’m not hardly “blitzed”. i’m just saying why the “witch hunt” on tom? now if the reports of him having a past problem are actually true, then he needs more accountability. again as far as a DUI it isn’t a big deal. again i say if anyone on this thread who drink regularly leave a bar on a typical night, LEGALLY they would probably be drunk. even though they can function perfectly fine.
****shakes head****
DUI’s are a big deal to some… that’s what I’m saying. To over and over say that they are not is insensitive to the family who just lost their son to some random that had .08 in his system and got behind the wheel. Stop while you’re ahead….
Amazing how many people want to downplay the whole ordeal...
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
I don't think its a matter of down playing....
but rather an over-reaction by the other side.
Once is a mistake.
Twice is a red flag.
Three times is a pattern.
Some people are using emotions to judge Tom Lewand, when they should be using facts. Some are treating this like his 3rd, some are treating it like his 2nd.
Is it crappy timing yes.
Is their a pattern, not that I know of.
Did he man up instantly after sobering up? You betcha.
Get over it people. If there are any emotions, they should be reserved until there’s an issue of not signing a Draft Pick in time for training camp.
sorry Drew
if you lost someone to an alcohol related accident. I never meant to come across as “insensitive”. i just know its a harsh reality. i lost 3 good friends and my ex-friend who drove that talon has knubs for his ankles/feet now. some is the keyword. drinking isn’t for everyone. some can handle it and be responsible and others can’t.
Nobody should be behinf the wheel of a motor vehicle, when they are under the influence of alcohol or drugs....
Period. It does not matter how well they think they can “handle it” or not…if you are drinking, you should not be driving, and that is the bottom line.
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
Intriguing thread, good read.
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i agree Hyperion Ecta
different people have different view points. regardless if you agree with someone or not its still good to read all the different posts. this is a passionate topic good for discussion.
dammit
i just pulled a lewand. i was vacuuming and the cord knocked over my drink. i hate wasting some good jose cuervo :/
God damn that's high
I’ve been arrested for a DUI but it was really weak (I blew a .086, asshole cops) but a .21 falls under the “pretty damn drunk” category. The guy shouldn’t be fired, but he should get some kind of serious fine.
I was wrong in saying that they should fire him
It was a knee jerk reaction, which came from years of dealing with alcoholism in my immediate family (IE riding with my Dad while he was drunk driving….etc).
However, I do feel that Tom Lewand hold a position of responsibility in which the example must be clearly set, not only by him to the rest of the organization, but also for his actions. He must be held accountable at a level that is relevant to his position. If he is fined by the courts, that is one thing. If he is fined by Goodell, that is another thing. I also feel that the Lions should impose some sort of sanction to send the message that nobody is above the cultural values of the organization as a whole. That is what I really wanted to stress here…
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
Cultural Values?
Don’t be a socialist, dude. Cultural values are not the law. If they were, we’d be saluting President Pelosi and VP Reid. What we have is bad enough.
Cultural values are as capitalistic as is gets
They have nothing to do with being socialistic.
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I think Tom's immediate acknowledgement of the mistake...
and appology immediately after the ticket shows his leadership capabilities and DOES SET an example for the Detroit LIons organization.
True, but everyone says "I'm sorry" after they make a truly boneheaded mistake
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I really did not make a comment at first
I waited until all the details were made clear. But, really this is unappectable behavior from our team president. I really dont care about Leward out partying. But you can not get behind the wheel that drunk. The guy makes a living making judgement calls as far player contacts and such. He use very bad judgement on Saturday night.
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