Lions Interested in Oshiomogho Atogwe, Not His Salary Demands
The reason the Lions are not in the cards for free agent safety Oshiomogho Atogwe is because of how much money he is asking for. Atogwe's play on the field is something the Lions are most definitely interested in, because he would be the answer to the question of who is going to start at safety opposite Louis Delmas. So, while the Lions are "taking a hard look" at Atogwe, he isn't a realistic option at this point in time due to how much money he wants to be paid.
According to a league source, Atogwe's salary demands are extremely high and the Lions aren't interested in meeting them. That's also the reason why several other teams have pulled out of negotiations with the former St. Louis Rams player.
It's possible that Atogwe will have to reduce his demands and the Lions could get back into the sweepstakes but, for now, the Lions aren't an option.
Teams definitely think Atogwe would be a good player; the issue is they don't want to meet his high salary demands. Rather than wait to see if the Lions suddenly decide they are interested, we should be waiting to see if Atogwe realizes his demands are shrinking the market for him. Once that happens, then maybe the Lions will take a serious look at signing him.
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It's pretty simple
you don’t pay a guy elite money when he’s not elite. Atogwe would be a great addition to the team, but it’s simply bad business to pay a Safety who’s never been to a Pro Bowl that much money.
I agree but...
maybe the reason he hasn’t been to a pro bowl is because he plays for a bottom dweller team. The same reason Louis Delmas didn’t get rookie of the year votes.
Steven Jackson didn't have any issues making the Pro Bowl
so I’m not sure if that’s a valid argument. Still, it likely plays at least a minor role in Atogwe’s lack of league wide recognition.
calvin johnson did
O.J. Atogwe and louis Delmas best safety duo in the league
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 4, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I love me some Megatron
but 67 receptions for 984 yards and 5 TDs are hardly Pro Bowl caliber numbers.
Year before I would think he is referencing
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 6-5 : Current Position - 5th : Last game - Defeated by New Zealand Warriors 50 - 6
by Hyperion Ecta on Jun 4, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
that is correct
2008 Calvin Johnson
78 REC 1,331 Yds 12 Tds = NO PRO BOWEL = bullshit
those numbers were sick
O.J. Atogwe and louis Delmas best safety duo in the league
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 4, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
x 10000
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass
Follett and Suh IN YO FACE!!!
by The Profiler on Jun 5, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
nuff said...
thats really all there is to it. get in where you fit in. from what i understand he is asking for more than polamalu and reed are both getting this year…sorry guy you are not in that league.
if im the lions i would mack him a good offter and pay him a big bouis if he macks the pro bowel that way you have a ss who will play hard all year . beause we all know that are cbs are going to have proleams this year.
kwfords
Are you drunk, or illiterate? Make is spelled m-a-k-e. Our (posessive) is not spelled a-r-e. And tell me the difference between a pro bowel and my bowels, please.
dylan
don’t be such a Nazi. That was funny though.
I have a 9" personality
by Waitingfortheroar on Jun 4, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
dylan415
Our (posessive) is not spelled a-r-e
“possessive” is spelled p-o-s-s-e-s-s-i-v-e.
Next time you go all aggro on a fellow Lions fan for his spelling errors, get your own shit
correct.
"The Lakers were favored 8 to 1 odds to beat the Pistons. Bullshit." - Bill Davidson, Championship parade, 2004
Thanks Skylar
Did you eat your Co Co Puffs out of a cereal bowel this morning?
I watched a re-run of the 1985 Orange Bowel
"The Lakers were favored 8 to 1 odds to beat the Pistons. Bullshit." - Bill Davidson, Championship parade, 2004
I don't understand why people see it necessary to point out spelling mistakes
Especially when they themselves make them (no offence dylan). As long as I can read it, I have no problems.
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 6-5 : Current Position - 5th : Last game - Defeated by New Zealand Warriors 50 - 6
by Hyperion Ecta on Jun 5, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hyper
I made no spelling mistake. And congrats to you for being able to crack the kindergarten code.
I hate doing this, and I probably wouldn't have if you didn't have to make a snarky comment at me...
“I’m a loger time Lions fan than you claim to be. I’ve been disappointed a lot, too. I think you must have turned gay after a few girls dumped you. So why not shut that cock-holster you call your mouth and take your dick-weary ass somewhere else.”
We all make mistakes. Now, let’s please let all this spelling crap go.
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 7-5 : Current Position - 5th : Last game - Defeated the Canterbury Bulldogs 19 - 12
by Hyperion Ecta on Jun 6, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Hyper
Did you read kfword’s text? My mistake you cited was a typo. Now, how would someone like that, lacking literate skills, mental dicipline, or just plain lazy, graduate high school, fill out a compentent job application, or heaven forbid, reproduce and pass on the same complacency. Just what the USA needs. More uneducated, lazy idiots inflating the welfare rolls and taxing those of us that have worked hard to get educated and employed (I went through 4 years of unemployment beginning in 2005, but now have a great job, so I know what it’s like. I earned my way back). And people like you that are willing to tolerate and even encourage crap like that. I urge every member of POD to chastise every poster that can’t post grammaticaly and intellengenty and recommend that they go back to school and pay attention to their teachers. Learn to read, learn to talk, learn to write, learn to type.
I don't think you'll get many people joining your grammatical tirade...
Especially not me. Good luck.
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 7-5 : Current Position - 5th : Last game - Defeated the Canterbury Bulldogs 19 - 12
by Hyperion Ecta on Jun 7, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately
I think the only way Detroit could get OJ would be to pay him. If he lowers his price, other teams will swoop and and lure him with a winning mentality. Lions might be able to match the price, but he’d choose the better team. If we want him, we need to pay him. It’s the only way he’d be a Lion.
probably true
unless those competing for his services would be less able to assure him that he will be a starter. Guaranteed starter with on the rise team, or probable/possible starter for more established team? Not sure which way i would go if I were him.
You can still be the high bidder at a lower level
if he wants 7.5, and no other team is willing to go above 5, you can get him with 5.5 while still being well below his current asking price.
I actually think the Lions are a fore runner in a bidding war, because we can pay him morethan any other team and still recoup on that with increased dollars coming in from Windsor
Because he is from Windsor it shoudl result in incresed ticket sales to there, up the TV ratings there (increase advertising revenue), and sell some tickets there, basically he would expand and help capitalize on the Windsor fan base for the Lions
I would agree, but...
Windsor is a city of about 220,000 people. Thats like the size of Troy, and its a Canadian city, so football isn’t exactly the most popular thing. Not a lot of people would be inclined to come over- at least not enough to make a big budget difference.
Now if it was the Red Wings picking up an former Spitfires player, it would be a completely different story…
The beginning of the end of the misery
I have to agree that one way forsure of landing OJ...
would be giving him a contract that he would be paid like Troy and Ed. He’s the catch though he would have to earn it w bonuses like making the probowl, starting a certain amount of games, and etc.
Losers
We are losers. We need to pay him. We need talent. Lets stand back, not pay him and continue to lose. This is the lions way.
Huh?
I should have been drafted in the second round.
by Slum Village Allstar on Jun 4, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
toledogolf man
I’m a loger time Lions fan than you claim to be. I’ve been disappointed a lot, too. I think you must have turned gay after a few girls dumped you. So why not shut that cock-holster you call your mouth and take your dick-weary ass somewhere else.
lol +1
O.J. Atogwe and louis Delmas best safety duo in the league
by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 4, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there is anyone here
Who didn’t see that as the reason Det has been mentioned much in accordance with him. Like I said before I think Mayhew has done a great job or searching all avenues of improvment. To add to that he is still a buisness man and is still writing checks that aren’t his and what if theres a cap next year do we want to be caught in a mess were we have to start cutting STAR players. Its not like he is Ed reed.
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass
Follett and Suh IN YO FACE!!!
This is the new "smart" Lions management in full effect
Don’t overspend if you don’t need to. There is no one player this team needs so bad that we need to break the bank to get him. Otogwe, as a player, has been inflated by us and the media because of demand. He is the only legit FA safety out there… actually, he’s the only legit FA player left out there (maybe Owens). That creates demand.
But the Lions are being smart about this. This is uncharacteristic of past Lion’s management and I love it. Be aggressive, but yet smart. Sure, he’d be a nice get, but cap the cost. My guess… he either ends up a Ram or a Lion. Yes, I think we have a good shot at getting him still.
Cost
As much as I understand his price is really high, it’s hard to have faith in our CBs. Houston and both Spievey are unproven. I think having the best safety tandem in the league (Delmas and Atogwe) will significantly help them out. When you’re a struggling team, you need to make some of these risks. We didn’t do it with Cromartie (although he was cheaper), we need to consider this.
Someone mentioned this before, but if we lower our price, we will be competing with some top tier teams and would have a hard time signing him. Anyone know the word on Bulluck? Is he still a good 2 weeks away from any progress?
I tend to think that if he does lower his price that he'll end up elsewhere
I always worry about someone who thinks they are worth more than they are, can cause locker room problems…
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 6-5 : Current Position - 5th : Last game - Defeated by New Zealand Warriors 50 - 6
If he loweers his price enough we still win the bidding war
I think it is highly likely this guy ends up being a Lion. I would actually give it about an 80% chance and this is why.
Issue 1: Budget concerns. As much as people keep saying that the Lions have already spent their budget based on Nate and KVB I call shenanigans. For one we were supposed to sign Chester Taylor too and he did not come cheep. Secondly we are still expressing interest in Chester Pitts. Third we had Lito Sheppard in after both of those guys were signed. Fourth Schwartz himself has said several times that the Lions will get an addition to the club as late as training camp possibly, “that will help us win a couple of games”.
Issue 2: Playing time. A complete non issue here, he would be a starter with an extremely young and talented partner at safety.
Issue 3: Home town. Well that is in our favor too and it is the likely reason we can pay him more than any other team. If it comes down to a bidding war in a reasonable range we can actually afford to give him a little more than another club can. As pointed out before, ticket sales to Windsor natives along with merchandise and advertising dollars will all increase if we sign him.
Issue 4: Familiar faces. He has guys he knows here and that will give him an added comfort level playing for the Lions. All players will talk to and listen to other players they know and trust when moving clubs and having Jonathan Wade here, a friend of his, will definitely be in our favor. Some might think this would favor the Rams, I don’t. If he wanted to be a Ram he would be signed already.
Issue 5: Winning Team. Where to start. First off everyone is 0-0 right now. Secondly everyone knows that Detroit is a team on the rise with a good young core of not only players but a good young core of front officer personnel. Third, everyone knows it is only a matter of a year or two more in the same direction we have been going before we are contending for the Division on a regular basis. Some might take a “I will believe it when I see it approach to that”, however I say that is not necessary. Everyone and I mean literally everyone that knows anything about pro football can see the Lions moving in the right direction.
Lets just call it the planets all lining up in our favor, but many small reasons actually tip in favor of him being a Detroit Lion. When you add all those up it is a pretty overwhelming advantage for us over any other team. Some seem to think the only way we will get this guy is by over paying him. I say those people are stuck in the past and need to get with the times, those days are over for Detroit. In fact I argue the opposite point. The only way we do not get this guy is if some other team grossly overpays him.
bro every post u write books lol while the rest of us do a sentence or 2
keep doin ur thing
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by DetroitLions 4 life on Jun 4, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha yeah my girlfrind calls that a blow arse, or long winded, I say I just like to be concise and thorough
Thorough...very much so....
Concise…not so much, lol.
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 6-5 : Current Position - 5th : Last game - Defeated by New Zealand Warriors 50 - 6
by Hyperion Ecta on Jun 5, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we need him ? … YES
Lions might have to overpay ? YES
Is he worth is asking price? NO
Everyone agrees as to above .. the thing is .. overpaying little is ok, but not a lot. We overpaid KVB and Nate .. but experts thought this was needed. Believe it or not, it was worth it. We did not pay them elite money. This guy wants elite money.
Overpaying too much is a sure way or regressing in future seasons. We are not NYC or Redskins that we can swallow a lot of big bad contracts.
Pats have been great cuz they hold on to good talent, avoid over paying and even let some of them walk. As a fan, I badly want him, but in the end, it’s not smart to overpay anymore. Millen is gone and Lions are back. Not a playoff team yet, but not a joke anymore for sure.
Actually dont want him
Its just my opinion, but this guy’s skillset is being way overblown. He is good, but not great. Forget about comparing him to Polamalu or Reed, hes not even a Brian Dawkins or Antrel Rolle. We had our chances at signing a guy like Antrel Rolle early in the offseason. We could’ve overpaid him and still paid less than what Otogwe is asking for, and Rolle would’ve been a much better fit for our defense, but we didn’t. The safety position one of those positions that you can easily find/replace. I personally think we have two good, starting caliber safeties in Ko Simpson and Daniel Bullocks.
The beginning of the end of the misery
can't argue with that
I want him because he is a upgrade from what we have…He is not a Antrel or Dawkins either I think Kenny Phillips is even better than him. I would never pay him 7 mil but I would pay him in the 4 to 5 mil range which I still consider overpaying him but we could really use another starting saftey with his talents…as overhyped as they may be.
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass
Follett and Suh IN YO FACE!!!
I don't think he is over hyped, but I do think he is asking for way too much
If he was over hyped someone would have signed him for his asking price. I think people generally know what he is and is not. He is a middle of the pack safety for the most part but he does have the ability to be in the top 10 and he has proven that. The one thing he has that out does even Reed and Polamalu is his knack for causing fumbles. He is definitely a game changer and because turnovers are so important I would put right up there with Dawkins and Sharper and the other level of tier 2 safeties in the NFL. Tier 1 bring the elite, tier 2 the very good, tier 3 the average (that is where I put Simpson and Bullocks), tier 4 being the below average but decent backups, and finally tier 5 are the guys that are lucky to be on a roster at all or practice squadders and special teamers.
I would put him in tier 2 for sure
I look it as a player himself the fumbles are GREAT turnovers are exactly what we need. I would compare Delmas more to dawkins as a HARD hitter and a team leader. Antrel is a ball hawk who creates turnovers with INT after INT. He’s a very good player but as of late I think he has been overhyped mostly because some people seem to think signing this saftey could make or break 2010 for us I think thats completly false. We have some good safteys if Bullocks can be healthy and reach his potential I don’t think we look for a saftey next year. NOBODY knows what phillips will be either. ATOGWE would be the answer at saftey I agree. I disagree with him completing are defense and fixing are secondary.
Louis Delmas is gonna lay the MAC down on your candyass
Follett and Suh IN YO FACE!!!
By that rating system
I would place Bullocks as a 3 but Simpson as a 3.5-4 at this point. Then again with health concerns both would be a 4 at best right now if not a 5 even. I would agree that Atogwe rates a solid 2. In the right system I have faith he could make it up to a 1.5 even tho!
Profiler: I too don’t think he would fix the defense. The thing is that I think he would be a strong enough presence to at least patch the coverage. I don’t have much faith in the collection of CB we have but trust in the coaches enough to think they’ll make do. Also that they’ll be drafting one very high next year and we’ll be hurting at the position for quite a while longer….
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
sharper?
sharper isnt tier 1 in your eyes? he deffinatly impressed me last year. and i hate the saints
v/r,
JAB
I think Shaprper is a Tier 1 heading towards Tier 3
The thing with Darren is he is a great gambler. Never the less he does create turnovers and is second only to hall of fame safety Rod Woodson for all time interceptions by a safety. So he was a tier one, maybe still is, but the years he has on those treads will make him fall hard and fast when he does fall down. Kind of like Charles Woodson, same kind of player greatness versus age declining their skills, or Favre. They are all tier 1 players but for how long? This could be the year father time catches up with any of them. Those players are great to have, but are more the types you look for as the final missing piece to make a super bowl run since their age excludes them from being part of anything long term. Therefore I tend o downgrade Sharper a bit when comparing him to Atgowe. In my eyes Sharper has nowhere to go but down on the performance issue, where Atogwe still has room to go up for a few years.
i im not drunk or illiterate i just canot spell that well . i have worked for30years and have passed highschool and a trade school also when i was 16years old ihad to get a job to help my mom who had just got deforice . .ihave worked hard to be a good at spelling but words donot seam to stay in my brain. for those who typing and spelling comes easey you donot know how mutch you have ben given a gift by god.
Good on ya, mate
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 7-5 : Current Position - 5th : Last game - Defeated the Canterbury Bulldogs 19 - 12
by Hyperion Ecta on Jun 8, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
kw
You’re bluffing. I’m a brain tumor survivor. At 38 I had to learn everything all over again. Walk, talk, eat, sleep, read, write, button my shirt. etc. Took me 10 years to drink out of a glass without a straw. If you got a high school diploma, you would do better that this. And if you can’t, you don’t deserve the diploma. In my day, we ALL went to work to help support our families, at 15 or even earlier. The only kids that got a diploma at 16 were those of accelerated skills and intelligence which you do not show. You’re trolling man. Oh, but wait!! There IS a guy like you that made it to the top. His name is Hussien Obama. Hy Hyper. Take off your rose colored glasses.
Dude, what is your problem?
Just let it go. We are here to talk Lions, not about spelling or grammar. If you don’t like his spelling, don’t read his comment.
"Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind." - Pride Leader, Sean Yuille, wielder of the Ban Hammer.
2010 Wests Tigers : Current record - 7-5 : Current Position - 5th : Last game - Defeated the Canterbury Bulldogs 19 - 12
by Hyperion Ecta on Jun 9, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I read all the comments
Readable or not. You’re part of a major problem and no solution. Don’t start a war with me, dude. Nothing I like better than a battle of wits with an unarmed man.















