Ndamukong Suh's Agent Says Deal With Lions Isn't Close
by Sean Yuille on Jul 31, 2010 4:10 PM EDT
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PrintFOXSportsDetroit.com's Mike O'Hara got in touch with Roosevelt Barnes, one of Ndamukong Suh's agents, and the news isn't promising.
Asked by e-mail if a deal was close for Suh, Barnes replied, "No."
Earlier today, it seemed like it was a sure thing for Suh to be signed by the end of the day. After all, both Sam Bradford and Gerald McCoy, the two picks around Suh, worked out deals with their teams, and the rumblings from the Lions were that things were close. Of course, Barnes could just be saying that things aren't close as a negotiating tactic, but I'm growing more and more uneasy over he and Eugene Parker, Suh's other agent, as they just seem to want to make things difficult.
UPDATE: Well, this certainly doesn't sound good:
Lewand has not personally spoken with Suh in almost two weeks.
I know agents are responsible for negotiations, but wouldn't you think the Lions would at least touch base with Suh at some point during all of this? Maybe that's not Lewand's responsibility and someone else with the Lions has talked to him, but I don't like that only Barnes and Parker are speaking on Suh's behalf.
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patience
alot of LION fans are starting to freak out. calm down people. we all can see that we are turning the corner from laughing stock to contender. i thought myself that with bradford and mccoy signed that SUH was basically hours away from signing. if it takes a few more days then so be it. any longer than that will leave a bad taste in the mouths of many. RESTORE THE ROAR
by Bill Plummer on Jul 31, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Parker and Barnes = Fail
These agents think they’re doing the best for their players by making them hold out for more money…but in the end all it does is tarnish the players rep, hurt the team, upset the fans, and slow the progression of the player. Stop being greedy! Sign a deal and get it done!
by BBlades on Jul 31, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fucking Suh
I can’t believe this shit. Like I said, this guy is just like the rest of these overpaid athletes. Actually, he’s not, because Gerald McCoy signed the best offer he could get while still being able to report to camp on time, as did Bradford; I guess we can’t say the same for Ndamukong. I really hate to say this, but I already am starting to not like Suh. You would expect some shit like this from Dez Bryant (who actually was the first first rounder to sign), not Suh, especially after all of his wanting to report to camp on time bullshit.
I’m pissed.
really?
you’re starting to dislike Suh? This won’t even be a footnote once the season starts and he’s wreaking havoc on the field. Sure I’d like him to be at every practice but until this drags on for a few days or a week I’m not concerned.
And stop blaming the agents
if Suh wanted to be at camp, he would fucking be at camp. Since McCoy got $35 million guaranteed, it means the LEAST the Lions could possibly be offering is $36, and I’m sure it’s actually at least $40 million. I know we don’t want to belive the almight Suhperman is responsible for this, but he is, so stop trying to deflect blame to his agents, who are only doing what he’s telling them to.
That's exactly the opposite of how a Agent/player relationship works.
The agents are the one’s dictating terms, not the players. I’m sure they’re not even running numbers by Suh, they’re speaking for him. They told him what he’s worth, told him that’s what they were going to get him, and that was the extent of Suh’s input. Agents like Barnes and Parker aren’t lapdogs running back and forth between player and team. They’re the one’s calling all the shots. Suh probably has virtually no part in the negotiations.
by Trysdor on Jul 31, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Suh/Barnes Dialogue
Suh: I want to be in camp
Barnes: Don’t worry, we’ll get you there.
Suh: I don’t want to be a hold out.
Barnes: It’s not a hold out, it’s just negotiation.
Suh: I want to support my team mates, get off on the right foot.
Barnes: Right now, the best thing you can do is just keep working out, we need to get you a contract that’s commiserate to your value. Just trust me, I’m the expert. I’ll get you to camp with a contract that’s appropriate for your talents. Everybody wins.
Suh: Ok, I trust you.
by Trysdor on Jul 31, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gerald McCoy/Ben Dogra Dialogue
McCoy: I want to be in camp
Dogra: Don’t worry, we’ll get you there.
McCoy: I don’t want to be a hold out.
Dogra: It’s not a hold out, it’s just negotiation
McCoy: Nah, fuck that, I’m not missing camp. We’re signing whatever deal is on the table.
Dogra: Gerald, you’re being hasty, you shou…
McCoy: I said I’m not missing any camp. Get the deal done, NOW.
Dogra: … yeah. OK.
by motown313 on Jul 31, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To further elaborate my point
These are very young men who are putting a great deal of faith into men who have schmoozed them, sweet talked them, and convinced them that they are going to get the best deal for them. These are young men who have probably never negotiated or completed a business deal in their lives. They aren’t going to push around and intimidate the men who they’ve given their implicit trust to. They sign agents because they trust them, because they feel like they’re working in their best interest. NFL players aren’t particularly shrewd or savvy. They’re young men with incredible physical ability. They simply aren’t going to bully around people they almost assuredly consider friends and confidants in whom they have placed all their trust. That’s not how it works in life. It just isn’t. Suh thinks his agent knows best, because his agent DOES know best. He’s not going to overrule a person he trusts, in whom he signed a contract with to represent him fully. I’m sure there’s not an NFL rookie in existence who wanted to hold out. Who intended to hold out. He’s just trusting the man that he hired to represent him to represent him. That’s what agents do. ESPECIALLY powerful super agents like Barnes.
You're right
NFL players are mindless automatons, I completely forgot. My bad.
Seriously though, we’re just going to have to agree to disagree. I personally don’t see any way that Suh, an intelligent young man with a degree from Nebraska, an esteemed academic institution, can be painted as this mindless follower that you’re describing him as. If he wanted to be in camp right now, he could, while still being one of the highest paid DT’s in the NFL.
I’m really hoping that I’m overreacting and that I wake up in the morning and find out he’s been signed. I’ve just got a feeling that’s not going to happen.
You're right
A guy who’s donating over TWO MILLION dollars to his alma mater is all about getting his. Doesn’t care about loyalty or his teammates one iota.That’s definitely the kind of person he is. He doesn’t think he needs camp, even. Just gonna show up when the regular season starts. What a total jerk Suh is. Screw that guy.
I didn’t say he was mindless. I said he’s trusting the person he hired to represent him in his best interest to represent him in his best interest and not interjecting into a process that he is fully aware he knows very little about. Crazy, huh?
So
because he’s donating money and fucking IPads to an already wealthy university he’s all of a sudden a saint? How about donating money to starving children or fucking cancer research? Jesus Christ, a guy donates some IPads to his teammates and all of a sudden he’s a saint. Ain’t that a bitch.
People who are all about getting money
don’t donate money to anybody. They generally…you know…keep it.
To be fair
those starving kids would not really put those ipads to good use. They would probably just sellthem for food.
The agents and Suh are at fault.
I think that the agents share most of the blame. Suh is just a young college kid and this is his first time dealing with big money deals. They pobably gave him a chunk of money to sign with them (it looks like he’s spending it, for charity). I’m sure that they keep telling him that its just part of the game, and that nobody will have bad feelings when its all over and done with.
Personally I think that Suh is just a bit Naive.
by coolbreeze42 on Aug 1, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
"if Suh wanted to be at camp, he would fucking be at camp."
So you are saying that Suh DOESN’T want to be in camp? That’s interesting.
You are saying that he actually does not want to be in camp because otherwise he would have signed by now. I disagree.
by Grrranderson on Jul 31, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If he wanted to be at camp, he would be at camp and on time.
Those agents are his employees. They follow his leadership. If he says get it done. They get it done. He wants money more than he wants to be in camp on time with his team learning the pro game contrary to what he said earlier. Sadly, he should have just kept his mouth shut all along.
+1
How can he be a leader if he can’t even lead his agent?
"We lost!" Delmas yelled at reporters. "What you want? What you got to ask me?"
Delmas stared at reporters defiantly.
"That’s what I thought,"
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I for 1 want Lewand to hang tough, I'm fed up with rookie contracts
Suh can take less and just do more endorsements. Meantime this gives the coach a better look at the DT’s fighting for a roster spot. If he’s not in camp he can’t get hurt ala Dez Bryant. So it ain’t all bad.
i understand the agent blame
but really this speaks of Suh’s integrity. He generated a lot of positivity before and after the draft with his pledge of x amount of money to his alma mater and his declaration that he doesn’t want to hold out. but in actuality, we see that his actions speak much louder than the thousands of words written about his character. if he didn’t want to miss camp, he wouldn’t miss camp. he would tell the agents that he wants to get into camp and to get him the lions offer as soon as it is sent. you can’t blame the agents entirely for this.
it doesn’t seem like a big deal with him missing maybe one or two practices, but to me it is way more revealing than all of Suh’s talk. anyone can speak a big game and represent themselves to be mature and above the pettiness exhibited by most athletes. but you have to follow through with it.
my 2 c.
just to clarify
i still think he will be a monster DT in the NFL. I’m not backing out on that claim. But I no longer gush over the “character” that we all thought he had. Seems like a nice kid but nothing special until he proves it to me.,
Maybe his agent is just trying to fan the flames to gain leverage by getting the fans riled up
Other reports seemed to indicate that they were close
by WestsideLionsFan on Jul 31, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions
I am pretty certain that Parker wants Suh to be the highest played rookie
Just like last season with Crabtree. The scouts had Crabtree as the #1 rated WR. Parker made sure the the 49ers played Crabtree more than Hayward-Bey. Now that Suh was thought to be the best rookie in the draft. I am sure Parker is trying to get a contract close to Bradford.
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"We lost!" Delmas yelled at reporters. "What you want? What you got to ask me?"
Delmas stared at reporters defiantly.
"That’s what I thought,"
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
Are we really gonna dog the guy we have already anointed as the savior...
2 hours into training camp? I want him in there but if he misses a practice or two it won’t matter. Calvin missed 3 or 4 days if I remember right. Also, if the Lions really thought he couldn’t afford to miss a single practice they could just pay him.
Who anointed him as savior?
I sure as hell didn’t. DT’s at the top of the first have higher odds of busting then even QB’s, so for all we really know he might be the DT version of Jamarcus Russell. Let’s see if he can actually play in the NFL before we get all defensive over him.
He's been called the best prospect in years
and 90% of the posts here were giddy with excitement when it became clear that the Rams were going with Bradford. This site did huge traffic around the draft mostly with Lions fans absolutely gushing about The House of Spears in Honolulu Blue. So maybe you didn’t anoint him, but for us to start saying that we’re starting to dislike him or that he might be the DT version of Jamarcus Russell is ridiculous. So far he’s missed one practice and we’re not even in pads yet.
I'm just stating a fact
Defensive Tackles drafted in the top half of the first round bust more often then QB’s, as explained here:
http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftquarterbackriskmyth.php
The fact is that 46.9% of DT’s taken in the top 16 picks are considered busts. Yes, Ndamukong is special, but all of these DT’s were widely considered to be special, and yet still only had a 50/50 chance of even becoming long-term NFL starters.
You’re right, if he turns around and wins Defensive Rookie of the Year, I’m sure I’ll forgive and forget. But as of right now, he’s not looking too good, no homo.
God, you are a tool. I will be marking these posts for later.
by Grrranderson on Jul 31, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
Because calling people names over the internet isn’t toolish behavior at all.
You’re a Nebraska fan. Obviously you’re going to take Suh’s side, regardless of what he does. I don’t even fault you for that; I’m a Michigan fan, and would probably still be a Tom Brady supporter even if he pulled a Donte Stallworth and killed somebody. I would like to think you would actually make a counter-argument instead of just following all of my posts and leaving extremely clever one-liners, but I guess that’s just not your style.
Not that you give a shit, but I was raised by a single mother who worked two jobs my entire childhood so that we could pay the bills. So yes, I may get upset when a rookie who’s never played a single down in the NFL is holding out of camp because the $40 million in guaranteed money on the table isn’t sufficient.
So feel free to continue to be an asshole because quite frankly, I could give a shit what you think about me.
Well, you also might get upset if someone who has never met your mother was bashing her and made disparaging remarks about her character
simply because of one situation/event where all the details aren’t even available.
By all means, I agree that Ndamukong doesn’t come out of this situation looking great, but you are making too big of a deal out of this in my opinion.
by Grrranderson on Jul 31, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Suh knows exactly what he is doing
He is holding out for more money despite what he said. He placed the target squarely on his own chest. You can defend him all you want. He did this to himself.
Everybody take a deep breath,
I’m gonna give him till Tuesday, the first practice in pads. If he is not here by Tuesday, I’ll be MAD. But until then I’m not gonna freak out. This will get done.
by j16941 on Jul 31, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
chill...
I want Suh there as much as the next man. Aside from the fact that he said he didn’t want to be a camp holdout. Our beloved Barry Sanders held out for more money, yet he’s worshiped around here. Although he did it to give that extra money to his church he still held out. We all knew that this was going to be a reality. No one wanted it be a fact but now that reality has set in we just have to sit and wait. I highly doubt anyone here will actully “hate” Suh once he is on the field doing what he does best…hunt quarterbacks!
Did M-Live close their comment section or something?
Chill out, people. Jeeze. It’s not even a blip on the radar yet.
Agreed
Discouraging? Yes. Jump off the cliff, Suh is a terrible person, OMG FREAKOUT? Not unless he misses a few weeks.
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This is not the kind of reaction I would expect from POD
but then again, the reaction’s mostly coming from people I don’t recognize as regulars.
Word
They’re wearing shorts today, people.
Think back to when you got back from vacation in school…what did you spend your first day back doing? That’s right: reviewing the stuff you went over before the break. They’re probably going over what they were doing in minicamp for most of the practice, and I’m not worried about Suh being out of shape, are you?.
It’s unfortunate he’s not there, and it’s a bit disconcerting considering who his agents are. You can bet that they’re trying to get one last big payout before the NFLPA and owners negotiate a rookie slotting system, but I think once Suh realizes that he’ll put a stop to it and either get to camp or cut them loose. Not like he turned into a degenerate overnight, the dude is a class act.
A few Weeks?
Rookie D lineman need every day of practice they can get. One of the more difficult positions to learn and play in the NFL even with Suh’s talents.
Calm down.
Crabtree missed half the season last year and came out and performed well right away. And Suh isn’t going to be that kind of holdout. He’ll get there.
GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!
It is hilarious all the accusations being thrown around.
Everyone obviously agrees that it would be best if he was already signed. But he isn’t.
That doesn’t mean he is no longer a good draft pick. That doesn’t mean he is going to bust.
That most certainly doesn’t mean he is a man of no integrity. I think making judgments on his character because of this situation is being very presumptuous. As someone who has interacted with Ndamukong on a few occasions, he is a great guy.
It’s disappointing that he isn’t signed yet given his comments about how he was not going to be a holdout, but this is nothing to get all worked up about yet. He will likely be there in a few days, and it isn’t going to affect the team or his development much. I wonder if his comments about not wanting to miss camp were used against him in negotiations. The Lions thought that they could lowball him and he would still accept since he wanted to make it into camp.
by Grrranderson on Jul 31, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Like it or not,
long suffering fans of the Detroit lions thought they had a blue collar working type of guy coming to town. Instead many fans, including myself, see another do what I say not what i do player.
Suh is letting his dirt bag agents rub their stink off on him and his image and peoples opinion of him are rapidly being tarnished. He asked for this attention when he said he didn’t want to hold out. That is exactly what he is doing now, Exactly!
That is reality.
+1
"We lost!" Delmas yelled at reporters. "What you want? What you got to ask me?"
Delmas stared at reporters defiantly.
"That’s what I thought,"
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
On the other hand, as others have noted........
Calvin DID hold out for 8 days. Bradford is signed now. The main issue now seems to be:
the ceiling of Staff’s contract vs. slotting between Bradford and McCoy
Let’s see how it plays out.
"We lost!" Delmas yelled at reporters. "What you want? What you got to ask me?"
Delmas stared at reporters defiantly.
"That’s what I thought,"
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
killer said rumour is Suh wants more $
Than Bradford. If this is true, he just lost a fan. And that’s not an over reaction.
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by Leapin Lion on Jul 31, 2010 6:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Two words: Calvi Johnson.
Calvin Johnson:Former #2 pick
Calvin Johnson: Considered high character guy
Calvin Johnson: Best player on the Lions
Calvin Johnson: Fan favorite
Calvin Johnson: Held out of training camp for 8 days!
Suh’s been a hold out for 4 hours and you’re crucifying the guy. Just give it a rest already.
i understand wanting to cash
In on your name brand. Get the most you can while you can, because of the shelve life of nfl players. BUT, if he is under thd assumption that he is deserving of the highest paid rookie on history he a walking contradiction, and not the player/person I assumed he was.
But that is my problem as a fan, we assume we know these players but on all actuality we have no clue who they are as people.
If these rumors are simply a that a rumor, then I have no fault with Mr. Suh, after Monday if he has still gone without signing a contract then he is at fault because he is quoted as saying tht he did not want to hold out, and his affiliation with the particular sports agents would not keep him from reporting to camp on time.
And yes Calvin did hold out. But J Russell had not signed his contract, there wasn’t a parameters set.
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by Leapin Lion on Jul 31, 2010 7:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i understand wanting to cash
In on your name brand. Get the most you can while you can, because of the shelve life of nfl players. BUT, if he is under thd assumption that he is deserving of the highest paid rookie on history he a walking contradiction, and not the player/person I assumed he was.
But that is my problem as a fan, we assume we know these players but on all actuality we have no clue who they are as people.
If these rumors are simply a that a rumor, then I have no fault with Mr. Suh, after Monday if he has still gone without signing a contract then he is at fault because he is quoted as saying tht he did not want to hold out, and his affiliation with the particular sports agents would not keep him from reporting to camp on time.
And yes Calvin did hold out. But J Russell had not signed his contract, there wasn’t a parameters set.
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by Leapin Lion on Jul 31, 2010 7:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i understand wanting to cash
In on your name brand. Get the most you can while you can, because of the shelve life of nfl players. BUT, if he is under thd assumption that he is deserving of the highest paid rookie on history he a walking contradiction, and not the player/person I assumed he was.
But that is my problem as a fan, we assume we know these players but on all actuality we have no clue who they are as people.
If these rumors are simply a that a rumor, then I have no fault with Mr. Suh, after Monday if he has still gone without signing a contract then he is at fault because he is quoted as saying tht he did not want to hold out, and his affiliation with the particular sports agents would not keep him from reporting to camp on time.
And yes Calvin did hold out. But J Russell had not signed his contract, there wasn’t a parameters set.
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by Leapin Lion on Jul 31, 2010 7:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sorry for spam
Blackberry stayed I had a error.
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by Leapin Lion on Jul 31, 2010 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But do you understand wanting to cash in on your name brand?
I see the problem with your Blackberry. It’s the spoon.
"We lost!" Delmas yelled at reporters. "What you want? What you got to ask me?"
Delmas stared at reporters defiantly.
"That’s what I thought,"
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I think some people are just disappointed
We are eager to get training camp and pre-season going. People are high on what Suh can potentionaly be for the Lions. I was alittle annoyed that Suh did not sign a contract today. But he will sign. And he will have a big impact on this season. Lets just be concerned with the players that are here now. There are going to be some great position battles going on
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by JCruize on Jul 31, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I can understand that.
I am disappointed too. I wanted the whole unit showing unity.
GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!
My first reaction was "F" Suh
But this happens all the time. Not going to get to excited about it yet.
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Let him sit at home and miss the game he says he loves so much
Detroit is in a position right now to play hard ball with Suh. The Defensive line is arguably the deepest position the lions have at the moment. There is no way Suh should make more than Stafford, close sure, more never.
Let him sit at home and have his jack off agents ruin his reputation for him while costing him valuable and irreplaceable practice time. All the while Detroit moves on and lets him stew in his own arrogance.
Is Detroit’s Dline better with Suh playing? yes. Is he Bigger than the team? No.
OK I'll play Lewand for a moment
OK gentlemen,
I’ve done all the negotiating I am going to do Suh’s contract is xxxxxxx total $ with a gaurantee of xxxxxxx $ I will not sway from the total but every hour you wait $100,000 will move off of the gauranteed $ please feel free to take your time.
by Wayne Fontes on Jul 31, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I am good with that. Lewand says he wants a fair deal, the agents say they are not close.
Suh and his agents knew this was coming, Lewand knew it was coming, sadly the only people who didn’t were the ones that pay their checks. The Fans.
I see a bit of over-reaction here in this thread
Sure, it’s disappointing not having him signed, especially when he made it clear he didn’t want to miss any camp. But I’m not sure how much input he’s having into negotiations. He may have little, he may have a lot. All I know is, one practice missed don’t define a career.
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You think?
It’s like they think the roof is caving in. If Schwartz isn’t fretting, I’m not fretting.
GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!
From Jim Schwartz himself:
“An extended period of time that he would miss would be significant. Missing a few days here or there, it’s part of this business,‘’ Schwartz said. "Guys deal with injuries, guys deal with all kinds of different things. I don’t think that would set him back. An extended period would definitely set him back.’’
In summary: relax, people.
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by Sean Yuille on Jul 31, 2010 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
From this article
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What would you expect The Schwartz to say?
Should he call Suh out for not living up to what he said and getting a contract done so he could be in camp on time? Should he say he is disappointed this kid is turning down what is most likely a 40 mil guaranteed, 60-70 mil top end contract. Should be be honest and say that every rookie, i repeat, every rookie needs every possible day of practice and this will hurt and the longer it drags on the more it hurts?
Nope, The Schwartz is running out the company line in a transparent attempt to appease the fan base who are turning on a player he has tied his future to. If you think The Schwartz and Co. are not aware of fans response to Suh not being there today, you are living in a fantasy land.
Schwartz made those comments before today
The point is that it’s not the end of the world if he misses a few days. Opinion on the fact he is holding out aside, people need to stop panicking about the fact he is missing practice.
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+1
Cmon Sean, you know better. There is no way Schwartz would be calling Suh out. How many weeks did it take Singletary to finally lay the wood to crabtree through the media.
All I know is that when Suh hired these agents some people stated that it wasn’t a good sign. But everyone used Suh’s quotes that he wouldn’t hold out as evidence.
I’m just hoping the rumors are false, I’m going to give till Tuesday after that he has to earn my respect again. The numbers are set for him, he just has to decide how bad he wants to play.
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by Leapin Lion on Jul 31, 2010 9:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OMFG, YOU are living in a Fantasy Land,
If you think that at any point today or yesterday or ever (regarding contracts). That Schwartz or Mayhew or Lewand ever think to themselves “Oh, I wonder what the fans will think?”
The fans have sooooo many opinions that they would go insane thinking that way. This is just stupid. And then you make this crazy statement on how the “Fanbase” is “Turning” on Suh? No, you and Mowtown313 are turning on him. Everyone else realizes that this is what happened at practice today.
1) Check in and Physical:
“Alright you aren’t Albert Haynseworth, check. You pass.”
2) Come get your Helmet with the Tape on the front with your Name on it.:
“So I can get your name right when I grab your facemask to YELL AT YOU!”
3) Here is you “cubbie” where you put your wallet and keys:
“Your wallet and keys are SAFE in your “cubbie”, but I can’t make any further promises."
4) Let’s go run around on the field for a bit cause there are people out there today:
Did you see the pictures from today’s practice?
5) Gotta sign some autographs:
See link above.
6) A lesson on the Dangers of Cocaine and Whores:
Schwartz has the team listen to Jayme Johnson’s “High Cost of Living”.
Suh didn’t miss anything today. The first practice in full pads is Tuesday. And I’ll bet my farm that Suh will be there with bells on.
You think the worst team
in football the last 2 years and one of the worse teams the last 10 years that is seeing attendance erode year in and year out is unaware of fan opinion? I would bet my left nut they have talked about it and talked about what how to counter the affect if Suh did in fact hold out.
BTW, your list was hilarious.
As far as the Schwartz comments earlier on, I have no doubt he did just that. Better to hint to what is probably coming and hopefully derail some of the backlash aimed at the team and players.
Who needs training camp?
Look at Brett Favre! He never goes to training camp, and yet is always one of the best players in the league!
Did he miss camp his rookie year?
Going from college to the NFL is a big adjustment. The learning curve is very steep for rookies.
"We lost!" Delmas yelled at reporters. "What you want? What you got to ask me?"
Delmas stared at reporters defiantly.
"That’s what I thought,"
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
I can't even begin to comprehend the $cratch these guys are talking about !
All I know is WE all work our asses off for maybe $ 24.00 bucks an hour and barely keep our feet above water. Yes, I’m a superstar in my own field and frankly, I know those guys can’t hang with me and likewise, I can’t do their job. Supply and demand, what the market bears, call it whatever, at some point, common CENTS ( sense ) needs to take over. Everyday, I see those cats living under bridges or standing in soup lines and remember to do my best and not be selfish, because, that could be me. These guys should be negotiating this deal in the Salvation Army dining hall…
" I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this. " " What are you doin' here? You oughta be out in a convertible bird-doggin' chicks and bangin' beaver. " " Medication time. Medication time. " ( One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - 1975 )
via twitter Jason Lacanfora
Says there is no way Suh is after more $$ than Bradford. I feel a sense of relief, was getting concerned that there wasn’t any talk going on that ths could be true.
I an willing to bet he signs Sunday. G’night all.
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
by Leapin Lion on Jul 31, 2010 10:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm not really sure why you believed that report in the first place.
by Grrranderson on Jul 31, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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“Word is that Suh’s reps asked for more than Bradford…. $90 mill x 6 yrs…. $56 mill guaranteed… sure that’s not going to be the deal.”
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
It's the AGENT'S being selfish...NOT the player
Let’s put this into perspective.
The difference between five years and $63 million and five years and $60 million really doesn’t matter to Suh. When you are talking that much scratch, the difference is relatively insignificant.
Now, let’s talk about Eugene Parker’s take on this. He gets 10% spread over the life of the contract. So, at $60 instead of $63 mil, he takes $60,000 less PER YEAR!! That is enough to cover his assistant’s salary for the year.
That’s why agents REALLY scratch and claw for every nickel. When you earn your living based on 10%, you need to maximize every contract to support your agency infrastructure.
Maybe we could reach out to Richard Dickson’s agent and ask him for his hypothetical take on negotiations like this. That is, if we didn’t insult him too much when he was posting articles here.
Kong of the Jungle----Best of the Beasts!!
Agents are SCUM, Just like Lawyers,
Sorry to any Lawyers on here, but it’s true. That’s why you need a Law degree to be an Agent.
Oh and your example that you gave. You are talking about the Agent making 1.2 million a year Vs. 1.26 million a year. Off of one client, of which they have many. Crazy how you can make Stats say anything isn’t it.
As far as Elias Management, I think he kinda got the “Jesus1000/Offseason” treatment. I would like to know his opinion. But I kinda think asking him about it is like asking Richard Dickson, about Ndamekong Suh’s Ability to Sack the Quarterback.
Does the missed training camp time matter to Suh?
If so, and if the dollar differential really doesn’t matter to him, it might help him to establish his priorities, take charge of the process, and make the decision to sign.
"We lost!" Delmas yelled at reporters. "What you want? What you got to ask me?"
Delmas stared at reporters defiantly.
"That’s what I thought,"
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
To everyone overreacting...
What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your entire rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
In other words, chill!
In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
Pride of Detroits village idiot
Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
it's a joke to lighten everybody up
apparently you didn’t get it
In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
Pride of Detroits village idiot
nope
never seen billy madison.
Are you still Chillin, now that day two is gone and there have been reports that Suh’s agents wanted more than Bradford got? That they are just now conceding that Suh’s contract will be less than bradfords?
These agents are nothing more than leaches. Their stink can not be washed off. Crabtree will never be more than a prima donna to me, no matter how successful he ends up being. Suh is now moving down the same road crabtree did last year.
I hope the Lions stick to their guns and his contract does not exceed Stafford’s in any way. He can sit and not play, the Lions will go on.
Go Lions
Yeah I'm still chillin'
that joke was more for all the folks who are saying “fuck Suh, let him sit and re-enter the draft next year, we don’t need him”. Uh, yeah the Lions do.
Am I pissed off he’s not in camp? Yup.
Am I ready to crucify the dude and quit on him after 2 1/2-3 days? Nope
If this holdout becomes Crabtree-esque, then I’ll be in the same boat as everybody. Until then, I’m not gonna panic and overreact.
In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
Pride of Detroits village idiot
I guess these guys haven't seen Billy Madison
That was definitely one of my favorite parts of the movie, along with the opening Penguin sequence. Classic.
lol I guess not
I liked the scene with the teacher quizing him
In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
Pride of Detroits village idiot
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