Training Camp Notes: Lions Establish PUP List
by Sean Yuille on Jul 31, 2010 8:24 PM EDT
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- The six players not named Ndamukong Suh that didn't practice today are in fact members of the Lions' PUP list. Just a reminder, the six players are TE Brandon Pettigrew, TE Will Heller, DE Jared DeVries, CB Jack Williams, S Ko Simpson and S Louis Delmas.
- Jim Schwartz had this to say about why Delmas is on the PUP list.
He’s still recovering from the groin injury he suffered at minicamp. He’s healed, but he’s been behind in conditioning because he didn’t get a chance to condition the way that he should of before camp because he was letting his groin heal. What we’ll do with him is keep him on the side and work him into shape. The last thing we want to do is take a guy that’s healing and looking good and all of a sudden put him out too quick. I don’t want to put any kind of time table on it but he’ll be back pretty soon."
In short: Delmas just needs to work on conditioning, so it's more about getting into shape than the injury itself. That is why he is on the PUP list for now. - Schwartz also commented on why Kevin Smith isn't on the PUP list. Considering he, like a few players, is still recovering from an ACL injury, that news was a bit surprising.
"Kevin Smith was considered to go on the PUP, but he's been here an awful lot and he's done an awful lot and he's recovered well. He was able to go in and go pretty much without any limitations. All of our ACL guys will just be one-a-day when they do get back in full. All those guys, we're just being cautious with. I don't know of anything that is going to be super long term."
To me, this is great news. Many have already written Smith off, but if this is any indication, he is more than ready to put up a fight to keep his starting job at running back.
- For more on what Schwartz said and for a look at Matthew Stafford's post-practice comments, click here and here. Also, a full rundown of Tom Lewand's comments on Ndamukong Suh can be found here.
- The Lions have released a position-by-position breakdown of their roster. One of the interesting things I noticed is that Manny Ramirez is listed as a "G/C," meaning he will be getting work at both guard and center during camp. The other potentially interesting thing is that Dylan Gandy is not on the roster, although I think that's probably just a mistake. He's still on the regular roster page, and he hasn't been released as far as I can tell.
- A few of you have asked about Ryan Stamper and Randy Phillips, who were in town for physicals and a workout earlier this week. I haven't heard anything about either of them so far, but the fact that they haven't been signed indicates they probably won't be. If the Lions were going to bring them in, chances are they would have done it before camp got underway. Since one practice is in the books, I can't say I like their chances of being added to the roster.
- Tom Kowalski thinks the NFL's decision to suspend Tom Lewand for 30 days is too severe considering Bill Belichick wasn't even suspended at all for his role in Spygate. What's more, according to Kowalski, nobody in the NFL has ever before been suspended for a first-time incident involving alcohol, yet Lewand got 30 days. Kowalski thinks part of the problem is that the Lions "are easy to slap around" due to William Clay Ford not being "part of the good ol' boy network" in the league.
- In a separate post made by Kowalski, he passed along a rumor that Ndamukong Suh wants even more money than what Sam Bradford got. Not only would that shatter the contract Matthew Stafford got last year, but it would set an NFL record. If that is true (and I stress that's a big if), it is beyond ridiculous.
- In conjunction with the NFL Minority Internship Program, Aaron Beasley, Herb Haygood (former Michigan State receiver), Keith McKenzie (Detroit native) and Marquis Mosley are now part of the Lions' coaching staff for training camp.
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Randy Phillips and Suh
I was hoping the Lions would take a chance on Phillips. He looked like a good player. They must have seen something the didn’t like so I’ll take their word on that.
If Suh really wants more money then Bradford that’s a little shocking. I know I’ll take flack for playing the agent card from somebody, but I think that’s what it is. Remember last year with Crabtree. The agents kept saying that since he was considered a top 5 draft pick even though he was taken at #10, he should get more money then Darrius Heyward-Bey who was taken at #7. It was the same agents. I’m guessing they’ve got it in their heads that since Suh was said to be the BEST player in the draft he should be paid more then any other player. Just a thought.
And how did that work out for Crabtree.
He signed late for about the same amout the 49ers were offering before the season.
this might be true but there a big difference between
taken 10th and thinking your top 5
taken 2nd thinking your 1st
true but...
that’s true…but instead of complaining and saying “well I should have been number one” it should be more of a reality check. That you’re not always gonna be the best out there or the top guy. You’re going from the big fish little pond idea to the little fish big pond. I use the terms little and big loosely of course. Suh still has the chance to be that big fish, but he has to prove it.
I will give you flack, just because nobody else has.
But really, how many points will Sam be involved in vs Suh, even plus or minus it wont be close. # 1 signed and so did #3, Suh said he would not hold out. I am not digging this. Get in camp.
1 slice, 1 beer, 5 more reps.
how is that giving me flack?
I think Suh should be signed. The #1, 3, 4, 5 are signed. Why hasn’t Suh?
It's also telling
That no.‘s 1, 3, 4, and 5 are all repped by the same firm. They’re done. They’re getting paid. Parker and Barnes are shiteatingcocksuckingmutherfuckingforeskinrippingnicotinestainedunderwearchewingchildmolestingpedophilechocolatestarfisheatingouthouselickingoilspillingdemocratlikingspermatazoadrinkingslimeballs. Hope I didn’t sugar-coat that too much.
I don't think it's the same at all...
You’re taken at the spot you’re taken at; first, second, tenth, or 100th. The idea that a player should get paid more than a player taken above him is ridiculous.
And I will play the agent card. Players sign with agents because they trust the agent’s judgment and experience. The player doesn’t know anything about contract negotiations, so he should be putting some faith in his agent’s recommendations. It’s just sad when the player has signed with an agent who doesn’t have his priorities straight and ends up harming his client’s professional development over money the client doesn’t deserve.
81 was taken by some guy named Calvin Johnson... donno if he will make the team
but he has a blog on the lins site http://blogs.detroitlions.com/2010/07/31/johnson-blog-731/
he dont sound as depresed as he looked last year
that not word very well but i think yu get what i trying to say
The season hasn't started yet
If the losses continue, then you might find him frustrated again.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
by Hyperion Ecta on Aug 1, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, the final comment in Stafford's remarks
“Hey Matt, did you see that video in Madden of you guys winning the Super Bowl?”
“Nah man, I didn’t see that…”
“Coach said you didn’t look too happy in it.”
“Haha, Coach is always bashing me.”
Love the rapport these guys are getting
+1000
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
by Hyperion Ecta on Aug 1, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
dam you know its geting close
there is 4 new videos on the site as well
http://www.detroitlions.com/media-center/video/recent-videos.html
Best looked awesome in the Stafford vid
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
i think we need Smith more than alot of people believe
He is a hard runner with fire, and for Best to be successful Smith needs to produce. Two young running backs would be a blessing for $tafford.
What was the stat that Schwartz quoted in his presser? The Lions were 2nd in runs of 4+ yards, but last in rubs of 20+ yards? Its there especially with the addition of Sims and a healthy Peterson.
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
by Leapin Lion on Jul 31, 2010 9:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Definitely
I love Best, but he’s not going to be able to carry the load by himself. I’m ecstatic that Smith looks like he’s going to be playing week one, Maurice Morris is an OK backup but he’s not going to scare anyone, and Smith is a significant upgrade over him. Good times.
It depends
We have to see how DeDe Dorsey and Aaron Brown look in camp. I have no doubt that if Schwartz feels that either one of those guys is a suitable backup that we’ll cut Morris loose.
I really feel Suh wants more money than Bradford … Why ??? cuz his agent has kept repeating since earlier that we don’t care how much Bradford signs for … we think suh is a unique guy and deserves money based on his talents, not based on what others earn …
Well .. lets pay him non-rookie salary then and get it over with :)
Bradford got paid as #1 cuz he was picked at 1 .. (like Jamarcus Russel) .. lolll … Suh has to be paid like a #2 pick .. cuz he was picked #2 PERIOD ..
He needs to get off his ass and control his agents .. rein them in or he is in for a very bad rookie season and career too … He will regret it for life ..
+1-
Yeah he needs to make the call, and he has been a standup guy so far, now is not the time to bend to others.
1 slice, 1 beer, 5 more reps.
Thanks for the link, that was a nice catch. Moore is the reciever who played with $tafford right?
I love how quick $taffords release is.
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
Jarrad Page-DB- Chiefs
Unsigned restricted free agent Jarrad Page was a no-show for the start of Chiefs training camp.
The Chiefs have soured on Page, and he’s in no hurry to sign. The Lions are reportedly interested, but the Chiefs are going to have to lower their asking price — believed to be a fourth-round pick.
Idea!
Okay…how about Detroit offers them a 6th round pick and either Bryant Johnson or Dennis Northcutt? Heck, thrown in Dennis Fowler or Derrick Williams if you have to. How’s that sound? I think it’s a sound investment.
Chris Mortensen Tweeted
“Word is that Suh’s reps asked for more than Bradford…. $90 mill x 6 yrs…. $56 mill guaranteed… sure that’s not going to be the deal.”
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
This is not gonna happen .. This is crazyyyyy .. Just let him holdout … The team shouldn’t worry about the fans … I will understand …
Suh might be a great potential but still unproven .. we might as well get Albert haynesworth for cheaper .. although I don’t wanna
The lions will lose some great potential in Suh but for the lions, he is 1 player .. however good. But for Suh, It will spoil his career and his one little world ..
I do not care what ANYONE says...
Ndamukong Suh is NOT worth $50 million dollars…NO WAY IN HELL! He is is defensive tackle, NOT a QB! You do not pay defensive tackles over 50 million dollars on their rookie contract. I saw the guy play in college, and yes he was dominant, but he is still unproven at the professional level. When you are a QB, and the #1 pick, then you can expect to get paid the big bucks if you have the tools and the skills to play that position. A QB does not have to rely on his strength and speed as much as he has to rely on how well he throws the ball, and the offensive line in front of him. A QB can be tested to determine potential in the NFL, and it can be seen by those who have the eye for such things. It is much more difficult to do that with a DT, who has to rely on their upper and lower body strength, speed, agility, and technique to be effective.
We saw Suh be very good against college players. Will he be just as dominant in the NFL as he was in college? We hope, and even believe, that he will. But that does not mean that he should get paid like Albert Haynesworth right out of the gate. He should at least have to prove that he is as good as Haynesworth WAS in his contract year, before we start jumping the gun and paying him 90 million, with 56 million guaranteed, over 6 years! There will be a new CBA…if not this year, then very likely next year. What are we gonna do then, if we pay this one guy that much now?
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
Agree 100% with KDawg.
I have a feeling that the agents are trying to run this out for as much as they can get, but their not even in the ball park if that is what they are asking for. Let him sit a while. Hopefully Suh will smack these jokers up and get himself into camp.
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