Approval Ratings: Jim Schwartz - July 2010
A new series making its Pride of Detroit debut today is a monthly approval rating poll for various people involved with the Lions. Each month I plan on putting up posts that ask a simple question about someone from the Lions: Do you approve of the job he is doing? As of right now I plan on posing this question about the likes of Jim Schwartz, Martin Mayhew, William Clay Ford and maybe a few others, as I think it will go a long way in seeing where everybody is at opinion-wise and be a good discussion-starter as well.
The first approval rating poll focuses on head coach Jim Schwartz. His first year with the Lions concluded with a disappointing 2-14 record, but there's no doubt that he has impressed a lot of people since joining the team. My personal opinion is that I strongly approve of the job he is doing in spite of the 2-14 record from 2009. It takes time to rebuild from 0-16, but I do think Schwartz has the Lions going in the right direction.
With that being said, what do you think about the job Schwartz is doing? Vote in the poll below and leave your thoughts in the comments section.
(Side note No. 1: In the future, would you rather this be a simple approve/disapprove poll or something a little more in-depth like grades ranging from A to F? Side note No. 2: Thanks to Arrowhead Pride for this idea.)
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Love the idea
but i definitely think we should go for A-F format. For example, for Schwartz alone, I’d give him a B (good personality and temperament, unproven in-game acumen). I feel like I have to save the A for when he actually starts winning some games.
Agreed SGDBW90
I love the fire, personnel input he has had, way he his helping build this team. Yet he is unproven in games due to the lack of talent he inherited. For all we know, he may never win us the big game or even get us close. We also may have a future HOF coach and not even know it yet. From everything he has had the CHANCE to show us I would give an A. But the simple fact he is unproven I would have voted a B. Like the idea of the pole tho. If Obama can have a pole why not our key people on our favorite team !
Great idea
I think you should base it on political polls; namely the ones tracking presidential approval. That would mean using carefully constructed questions (Do you think of how Jim Schwartz is doing a good job) and a Likert scale type response (Strongly agree, agree, don’t know, disagree, strongly disagree). These are better than a grading scale (a-f) because people bring more preconceived notions to a grading scale (is B average or C?). Then you ask multiple questions about different people (Tom Lewand, For Sr.), different aspects of the game (running game, free agency, etc.)
Here is a link on writing a good question (important to reduce bias, but then again we are polling Lions fans abotu the Lions. No bias there.)
I did not carefully construct my question
I edited and did not reread. A clear question would be: Do you approve of how Schwartz is running the Lions?
There is a whole science for polling people's opinions
I figure if something is worth doing, it’s worth doing right. I figure you could have a series of questions about how the Lions are handling the offense, defense, personnel decisions, on field decisions, etc. 5 questions max and if it is done right, there is tons of things you can glean from it. At least about how the fans on this board feel about the Lions.
I like the idea of an approval rating poll
and not a letter grading poll. It is simple and gets to the point. And yes, Schwartz is doing an awesome job so far. He has a clear plan on how this team should be built. And he does not waiver from that plan. Schwartz and Mayhew are on the same page as far as the types of players they want. We have had one proven draft(2009). And with another draft that will prove to be successful by the end of the 2010 season. He seems to be able to “coach up” his players. Getting more from them that I thought was possible. Levy, Follett, Sammie Lee Hill, Stafford, Pettigrew, and Delmas. All did more last season than I could have imagined.
And who the hell voted no?
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Schwartz is proving to be the leader we have needed for a long time
From taking care of the little petty crap so it isn’t an issue to chewing out the whole team for being stupid in OTA’s. I see Schwartz getting the job done and bringing in the personnel to bring this team back to championship caliber. Two years after the MM era and I believe we will be contenders soon. I just hope we surprise everyone and do something big this year!
Great job Sean
I think Schwartz is doing an awsome job as well, you’ll see the jump as for as record goes this year even w a tough schedule. I think letter grades would be the more complex way of this but most accurate way so i have to say A-F, you think we could add I for incomplete lol i use to get those from time to time in grade school.
GO DETROIT…..
Still pretty early in the game....
I do like Schwartz though. I just do not feel he has put enough time in on the job to accurately gauge his performance. But he has done a better job so far than anyone in recent memory and the team seems to like him and respond well to him. I have to give him an incomplete grade at this point though.
I thought just a few seasons ago
Jim Schwartz, Rex Ryan and Mike Singletary were the best coordinators on defense and ALL deserved head coaching job. Luckily we were smart enough to hire one. They are all doing very good jobs with there respective teams. Jim has alot less to work with though it will take sometime before we can call his job here in detroit succesful BUT I love what he is doing and have approved of almost every move they made up to this point. Jimmy is doing a great job with what he has and has 2 good coordinators behind him. The lions haven’t had a bright future in along time but I think the clouds are starting to break.
"When people start copying your style, you know that something must be happening." - James hetfield (Metallica)
Great idea Yuille
However I disagree with JCruize. I think the poll should have a non-binary ratings, not simply a “yes/no”. Would it be better to do a star rating system (5stars – 0stars) or similar to get the real pulse of POD? For example, I think if we start the year 0 – 5 we can see his average star rating drop from 5 to 3.2 or something like that. Anyway, just my opinion. Either way I like the approval rating thing.
I also echo Cruize on a positive note: Who the hell voted no??
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I want to hear the reasoning
behind those people who voted no. I really don’t see how someone could not approve of what he is doing unless they know something we don’t. Obviously the players respect the guy a ton and they all feel like he is going to be the one that’s going to be there when they are making the playoffs every year.
I voted yes
But I could see down grading based on draft. I am not excited about anyone after Spievey.
Besides being a great X's and O's guy
Schwartz is one of the few fresh faces in football who bring more to the table than just a “POUND THE ROCK” ra-ra mentality. He’s a certified Smart Guy who understands the physical, mathematical and economical aspects of a successful football product. He’s what the NFL needs in a time where ignorance is bliss and there is much to be exploited if you’ve got the right kind of mindset as a head coach.
I don’t care that he’s won only 2 games – the reality is nobody could have won much more(and a lot of shitty coaches win a lot of games thanks to their personnel). Jim Schwartz is an A-grade coach, and the wins will follow – whether it’s here or (Godforbid) somewhere else.
Jeff Fishers a great teacher
Jim has had alot of great coaches to learn from. I think he will be very succesful in the NFL…like ya said here or godforbid elsewere he has all the tools be a winner as long as he has the guys surrounding him to make it happen.
"When people start copying your style, you know that something must be happening." - James hetfield (Metallica)
me too
"We lost!" Delmas yelled at reporters. "What you want? What you got to ask me?"
Delmas stared at reporters defiantly.
"That’s what I thought,"
"It's a hard division," Delmas said. "It's very big, but football is football. You've got to strap it up and go out there and play and that's what we plan on doing."
http://www.detroitlions.com/media-center/videos/Sound-FX-Matthew-Stafford-micd-up/8ed3fc62-55c0-4901-a613-a0ad5bc53f1b
Clay Ford finally did something good for the state of MI....
I think Coach Schwartz was the best thing that has happened to the Lions since the drafting of Barry Sanders!!!!!! He is a stat and mathematical genius…He is way better than all these roody poo coaches that have been hired in decades….He has an extreme love for the game and it took alot of balls to come in and openly say that the first season was going to be disappointing but he was going to give it his all, that he wasn’t going to be just a fill in coach and then leave us hanging by taking off if given the chance to coach a winning team…He’s going to be in D Town for along time and I can confidently say he is going to fall in the short line of one of the most accomplished Detroit coaches of all time, ie…Sparky Anderson, Chuck Daly, Scotty Bowman, Tom Izzo, Lloyd Carr, Potsy Clark ( Lions Head Coach for the 1935 NFL Championship), Buddy Parker ( Lions Head coach for the 1953 and 1957 NFL Championships) and last but not least, Jim Schwartz ( Lions Head Coach for the very first Super Bowl Championship in Detroit!!!!) So I guess the line isn’t so short, throw some more out there if you guys can think of anymore….GO LIONS!!!!!!!!
by LionsAreMySpouse on Jul 6, 2010 12:17 AM EDT reply actions
I approve of the work Schwartz is doing
The results aren’t quite yet on the board, but the movements made within the organization seem impressive and I hope they will bear fruit for us. He has a real friendly, but firm attitude, plus, his obvious football knowledge is a huge positive. I also think he has shown the ability to lead this football team, the players seem to look up to him and listen, although we can’t say too much about that yet since the wins haven’t really been tumbling in. I’m very happy with his work so far, but things must improve and I expect him to make leaps and bounds this year.
P.S I think a more diverse system of grading would be nice.
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Too soon to tell
I like his enthusiasm and fire, but the results so far haven’t been acceptable. I understand it takes time to turn things around, which is why I’m not yelling for a new coach yet.
But the unbridled positive emotions surrounding this guy just aren’t based on any kind of reality. They are all based on potential (a risky game to play).
Could he be a great coach? Sure. I think he can be. Will he be? Too soon to tell.
I remember there were at least 5 or 6 times last year when I couldn’t understand why certain strategies weren’t being explored, or why specific decisions were made. I’m no authority, but when a schmo like me wonder’s what’s going on, it’s not usually a good sign.
Bottom Line: I’m not trying to rain on anyone’s parade, but if you think 2-14 is “doing a good job”, I think you’re mistaken.
by Big Z in Orlando on Jul 6, 2010 4:47 PM EDT reply actions
Z what are u talkin about?
He came in with a team full of “replacements” pretty much…..Did you not read my last post about what he said his plans were for the team when he was coming in, he said he’s here to stay and wouldn’t leave even if he got offers from a winning team….That’s dedication and he’s already proven what success the team will have in years to come..But the guy who has done a really good job but I still have doubts about is Mayhew cuz the dolphins were in the same boat with just one win on the season the year before we went winless, they went and got parcells as their GM and bam, 10-6 a year later….That happened because he went out and got players no matter how much they cost, we’re not doing that, we missed out on so many pro bowl youngsters this year that would have made us playoff bound right away but for some reason we chose to shop at the family dollar for a couple of our players….Regardless Schwartz is a statistical genius and he will get the best out of what Mayhew brings in….IN SCHWARTZ WE TRUST!!!
by LionsAreMySpouse on Jul 6, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
Not the same situation bro.
the Dolphins had 2 RB’s that were #1’s, a better than average QB, a descent defence that was hurt the year prior to Parcells getting there and they lucked out with the best LT prospect in recent years coming out that same year. The dolphins were not a bunch of AAA ball players playing in the big-league, they just ran into a bad run with injuries and bad coaching prior to Parcells getting their.
How many lumps you want Doc?
where are the Dolphins now....?
Parcells got some FA’s vets to fill in and stop the bleeding. But now they are third best in their own division. And sitting in the middle of the road as a team.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
I'm talking about coaching, not players
I already said I’m aware of the state of the team. I’m trying to evaluate Schwartz based on his coaching decisions, not based on the his personnel.
I’m happy to acknowledge he didn’t have great players to work with, but I’d argue that he made some decisions last year based on the players he had that didn’t make a ton of sense.
Starting Culpepper during the Stafford injury? To what end? Stanton is still on the team; Culpepper may never play in the NFL again.
Making statements about “holding people accountable” after the Baltimore game, and then immediately backtracking? That doesn’t send a mixed message…
There were certainly times last year that the defensive scheme seemed inadequate as well. Schwartz came in as a defensive coordinator, but the defense wasn’t improved from the year before. In fact, it was worse in some ways. Specifically, I would have liked to have seen more blitzing to help cover up the deficiencies in the secondary. But, it seemed like the team was, for whatever reason, content to run a vanilla offense and take it on the chin.
Again, I don’t think Schwartz is a bad coach. My argument is:
1. It’s too early to tell. The body of evidence and sample size are not adequate to make any meaningful conclusions.
2. A 95% approval rating probably says more about Lions fans than Coach Schwartz. They WANT to believe. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but I don’t think it helps anyone to jump to conclusions at this point.
by Big Z in Orlando on Jul 7, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We are up to 13 no votes?????
Somebody give some your reasoning for this. I am very curious to know. I get the unsure vote and the people whi explained their reasoning. But a no vote.
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