Lions Trade For Seattle's Lawrence Jackson
by Sean Yuille on Aug 18, 2010 3:28 PM EDT
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PrintThe Lions have acquired Seahawks defensive end/outside linebacker Lawrence Jackson for an undisclosed 2011 draft pick. Seattle announced the move today and said that the Lions had been expressing "strong interest" in Jackson, who was a first-round pick (28th overall selection) in 2008.
The reason for the trade from the Seahawks perspective is that Jackson simply didn't fit into their new defensive scheme, as John Boyle of HearaldNet writes.
Prior to the start of training camp, Jackson lost his starting job to former defensive tackle Red Bryant, a move that signaled a shift in the philosophy of Seattle's defensive line.
Rather than have two more traditional ends, players who are built more like the 270-pound Jackson, or like Patrick Kerney, a starter for the past three seasons before retiring, the Seahawks have two distinctly different ends. Bryant plays what is known as the five-technique, a big-bodied run stopper that normally lines up on the same side of the field as the opposing tight end. Chris Clemons is at the "Leo" spot, a smaller, pass-rushing end who will also be asked at times to drop back and play like a linebacker.
Until the Lions comment one way or another on this move, there will be speculation about what position Jackson will play, but it certainly seems like he is going to be a defensive end considering he is 6-foot-4 and 270 pounds.
UPDATE: Based on this tweet from Chris McCosky, I'd say it's pretty evident that Jackson will play defensive end:
Agent confirmed -- Lions acquire DE Lawrence Jackson for 2011 draft pick. Lions real worried about DeVries' knee and lack depth at DE.
I know all of you are thinking this, so I will just say it: If depth was such a concern, why did the Lions release Jason Hunter?
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This trade was in the works before they let hunter go
It is far too coincidental. The draft pick seems to be a 6th.
A past first rounder for a 6th round pick seems like a good deal but his sacks in his two seasons, only 6.5, are sub par. He Drive and effort seem to be the reason they let him go, all that quoted stuff is coach speak.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
idk
Schwartz had this to say about the Hunter situation
“Jason played a nice role for us last year, but he saw his reps get cut into and other guys had passed him on our depth chart,” coach Jim Schwartz said. “Out of fairness to him, he’s a veteran player and he was out of our plans here. Rather than leave him here another two or three weeks to be out of our plans, we decided to give him his release and let him catch on with another team.”
From The Detroit News: http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/lionsblog/index.php#ixzz0wzKa0hlA
Like i said
Coach speak
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
I would not think that as much as
We can get a player that is younger, for a very cheap price, who has shown just as much in two years as we saw out of him in one year. Its an upgrade for us and a chance for him to catch on with another team.
Hunter has skill, he just was not part of the plan.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
I'm not 100% convinced these two moves are related
It may seem that way, but this move could also be a reaction to the team deciding to release Hunter.
well, i am not 100% sure either
I just know the timing is far too coincidental to write it off either.
Trades commonly take several days to handle all the BS. Once it was decided to make the trade happen, Hunter became expendable.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
class act!
Jim.. the new aquisition should be very interesting
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
Lions castoffs have done well on other teams even though the Lions were not a great team when they played with us
Why can’t the reverse be true as well?
by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 18, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
Andre Goodman, Dre Bly (although his best years were in Det, he still was a starter on other teams), Shaun Rogers, Leigh Bodden, Reuben Droughs (had 2 1000 yard seasons after he left Det), Damien Woody. There are probably a few more but that’s just off the top of my head.
by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 18, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhh, thanks for trying guys, but outside of Rogers, Bodden, Goodman, and Woody, the rest of those guys are terrible.
Bodden, Goodman, and Woody were all let go for financial reasons. Rogers? After listening to most Lions fans bitch about him when he was here, even when he was playing at a Pro Bowl level, hard to stomach the whining that he is doing well in Cleveland. Big surprise.
Kitna, doing well in Dallas? He does not play and for Tony Romo’s sake I hope Jon is not trying to pass on any of his “knowledge”. If Kitna does play, Dallas is in big trouble.
You said to list players.
Well that was a nice list.
by BennieBladesFan on Aug 19, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to be picky, but I asked for players who have "done well".
Most of those guys have not done anything……good that is.
How come no one mentioned Roy Williams? Dan Orlovsky?
I would not say that any cut Lion could not make any other roster in the NFL, I am just disputing the myth that “most” Lions who leave the team suddenly turn into solid players. That is just not true.
by NorthLeft12 on Aug 19, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Well ..
It’s a list .. and in short, some players are doing worse and some better .. I disagree abt Mcquarters .. he was starting. Rogers, some can crib but doesn’t mean everyone did. And it’s about players performance, not if someone liked him here etc etc…
I didn’t mention Roy williams on purpose, he was good here and has become worse there .. so no point ..
Some of our players have been starters and some have been good depth … Teddy Lehman, Boss Bailey ..
Whole point being .. coach should know how to use a player and he can be better with a new team than an old team.
Think NE Pats … they have few stars … but as a team they do great, but whoever is gone isn’t that good (rare exceptions) .. means Bill Belechik knows how to use a player and what fits …
hopefully
We have coaches that can get the most out of the players we acquire. With Gunn and Liner I think we have that but there are still some lingering issues with draft picks, williams to name one, that need to be resolved.
There can be no doubt the team is moving in a better direction and the coaches surly seem to be using proper methods to motivate them.
I am a huge fan of Gunn’s methods so far. He is taking nothing for granted and being very direct when a player messes up. These guys are pros getting paid a ton of money and he expects everything possible out of them. His passion for the game will rub off on the defense.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
It`s starting to smell like Tampa Bay up here
To many guys from the same team again, I don`t care if it is K.C=Tampa=Tenn=St. Louis, none of those teams have done enough to where i feel like we should be raiding their rosters looking for help.
1 slice, 1 beer, 5 more reps.
The difference is that with the TB guys it was all on D because they fit a "scheme" that Rod wanted to emulate in Det
We got all these Seattle guys for different reasons and it had nothing to do with any of the schemes they played in when they were in Seattle.
by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 18, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Rod was collecting players that knew Tampa 2 .. without regard to talent. Drafted the same way … That’s why our roster was so barren … small speedy players but no talent, can’t tackle .. remember our tackling ? .. Our defense was always at the right place but couldn’t take the guy down .. Lollll
This is more like we are collecting football players that don’t fit the scheme their old team plays .. but football talent nonetheless …
we also got a former packer (corey williiams), a former titan (vanden bosch), 2 former vikings (burleson and ciurciu), former giant (cc brown), former bengal (dorsey), former falcon (houston), and former bronco (scheffler). Fact of the matter is that with free agency, players come from all over and it really doesn’t matter where they come from.
+1
You detailed it well … and I am sure there will be a chief and a ram in there somewhere too :)
Yes ... Great ..
All in all .. the lions are playing chess overall and trying to solve a puzzle too [sorry for the 2fer :) ] … make pieces fit .. obtaining pieces from various teams and different routes ..
Our culture will change just like this .. and no one nfl team is over represented. Few seahawks but not too many among the 53 …
I like it …
I'm on board with this trade
We likely gave up a 6th round pick for a guy who will, at worst, be part of the D-Line rotation. Oh yeah, he’s also only 24, and just two years removed from being a 1st round pick. From reading the Seattle website it sounds like he’s a talented guy but the light bulb hasn’t completely gone off yet. If we can coach him up to his true talent then we have a potential steal.
Insert Gunther here...
He could turn the kid around.
"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five." ~Groucho Marx
Maybe the FO is gathering ammo,
Wonder if Jackson and a draft pick or another player are on their way to another team for a DB in return.
I think he is going to be the rotation for KVB
They seem to have the same frame.
Young may earn the rotation for Avril.
The front office is making the players battle for a spot on the roster.
I think our west coast scout identified players who fit the profiles and attributes our defensive scheme calls for and Mayhew agreed and made some moves.
I'm not going to beat the dead horse I killed in the Hunter thread
I’ll just say that we have a LOT of ex Seahawks on the roster
Burleson, Mo Morris, this guy Jackson, Heller (?)
Who am I missing? Basically 1 guy that will have an impact for sure, and hopefully Jackson, Heller, and Mo Morris can be good bench pieces
by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 18, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
J. Peterson
Screw P90x and get on the Brian Cushing Workout Plan.
by Slum Village Allstar on Aug 18, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, forgot about him somehow
I was trying to think of who get got in the Redding trade, that was him. Anyway, I don’t find it to be a particularly disturbing thing. Seattle has had a lot of regime changes and turnover and before that they had some very good teams.
by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 18, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing wrogn with Ex-Seahawks, at least they sniffed around the playoffs in the last decade ;) Also they would have done a lot better were it not for Hasslebeck's int by Al Harris in the playoffs and his injuries
BTW Weren’t Harris and McQuarters former Lion DB’s that went on to play well for other teams too? Adding to the former Lions to play well elsewhere list.
Screw DB's
It’s going to be real hard to throw against an 8 man front.
Screw P90x and get on the Brian Cushing Workout Plan.
by Slum Village Allstar on Aug 18, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
Hell yeah!!
Let’s go goalline every down like I do on Madden ’97.
by LionsFanInJapan on Aug 18, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Devries is certainly a goner.
I’m surprised by all of the moves but their all leading to one thing.
Schwartz is trying to build two completely dominating D~line units by upgrading the overall athletic talent by any means necessary.
Everyone seen how they got after it in PGH, disrupting everything they tried to do, well now that Schwartz is the man in charge, he’s going to top what he had in TENN.
by delusional on Aug 18, 2010 4:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I thought Devries injury was an Achilles
I could be wrong
In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
Pride of Detroits village idiot
Yeah
I am just not getting this sequence of events. Release a 26 y/o starter from last year, to sign a VERY undersized DE, and then give up a pick for a DE that never really lived up to potential and his own college coach didn’t want him
His college coach doesn't have too impressive of an NFL track record
For a 6th round pick, this isn’t a bad deal.
+1
He did not join the NFL to join the NFL. He ran away from USC because his years of “creative” recruiting finally were catching up with him.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
Does it matter if we have a lot of ex-seahawks?
All of them fill a role in one way or another, and don’t forget that seattle was a playoff team just a few years ago. Without Peterson, our LBs have a combined 1 year of starting exp. Without sims, we got last year’s OL, and without Burleson we got BJ starting again.
I hope the Lions didn’t give up too much for this guy. He has a lot upside still, but probably wont be anything more than a rotational player. Plus, he has first rounder’s contract.
The beginning of the end of the misery
The comments after the Seatlle PI article are funny
In regard to this: http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/archives/218545.asp
People also have to keep in mind that part of why we are getting so many Seattle players is that there is a fire sale going on over there now
Because of not only a head coaching change but also the general manager they are unloading players cheap. Mainly because they do not fit the new schemes and philosophy of the team in terms of physical tools.
Nate Burlesson we stole, don’t for one minute think that Seattle actually wanted to let him go.
Mo Morris though not super has actually looked better than Kevin Smith in some peoples eyes.
Julian Petersen has plenty of credentials to back up his value, just look the guys stats up.
Rob Sims did not fit into their zone blocking scheme and therefore was expendable. He is actually considered one of the top 10 in his position in the NFL by many. Also a side note here, I was watching the Texans preseason game and the opposing announcers were talking about the zone blocking scheme that they run. They said rules changes will be coming in the next couple of years that will wreak havoc on the zone blocking scheme. Basically having to do with holding at the line since in a ZBS there is a lot of minor and sometimes not so minor holds that go uncalled.
Will Heller is a good all around tight end and would be a starter on probably any team in this league, if not at least 3rd on the depth chart, he is a good player and no problems there.
In fact looking at how all of the other Seattle players have been working out for us everyone should be freaking ecstatic about this trade.
Peterson has a very big contract. Seattle already has a highly paid LB corps.
Julian was refusing to renegotiate his contract.
lol
the Sealions
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
People need to take a step back and think
Our D line is the major foundation of our defense. Current 4 projected starters include 1 trade and 1 good FA .. even then we drafted a dominant player in Suh. We release Hunter and get another 1st rounder, admit he is not performing like one, but great depth in any scenario. The Lions have invested heavily on the D Line and our whole defense (maybe season) depends on that. The Offense will be fine .. it has talent .. we just need to not play from behind 21 points every game.
Ex Seahawks is not a bad thing. They are changing schemes and personnel … so that has been to our advantage. We had fast untalented players under marinelli .. we are getting some semblence of a football team.
Hunter might be good for depth in an average D-line, team … We are trying to be average but our D-line has to be among the best in the league for us to succeed. We have already invested heavily in it .. and our coaches/FO is leaving nothing to chance as far as the D-line is concerned.
i think people are forgetting that a new coach in seattle is going to change things up and as you said we can benefit from that and this trade is one example.
He’s still young and kvb and schwartz will guide him back downt the right path…
I like the feeling of hunting down what I feed my family. If there’s a beast out there capable of hunting down Brock Lesnar, he would do it and make me the trophy on his den wall. But the laws of nature dictate that I’m going to be the one who goes into the wild and comes home with the evening’s bounty. - The #1 ranked HW in the world...
by DrewMoney$$$ on Aug 18, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Marty the man has his eyes and ears open.
It’s apparent the front office has a huge concern about the drop off in talent from starters to reserves. This dude was projected to be a starter at strong end for the hawks. Now, he’ll rotate in and we’ll still be tough. " Say Hey Willie " must be doing good too. Another former high draft choice snared for next to nothing. Keep working to fill in at line backer and the glass shop known as the back four ( six, eight, ten, twelve ) and we might be able to field a team for Saturday night.
" I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this. " " What are you doin' here? You oughta be out in a convertible bird-doggin' chicks and bangin' beaver. " " Medication time. Medication time. " ( One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - 1975 )
Think of the big picture ..
Our offense was bad .. Why ?
- cuz we were pretty much down by 21 after 15 mins.
-No running game.
- Had to pass too much, that made O-line bad.
So we get a slot rec, a TE, an explosive back .. and a starter on O-line.
Now we have to stop playing from behind .. so need to improve D
LB were fine, so was Safety .. CB got burned cuz our D-Line was bad. We invest heavily on the D and our defense can at least be better. Not down by 21 in 1st half .. That’s the goal. Our offense will score fine if it has time and can run different plays and run the ball.
Special teams was bad, and we addressed that … Major concern was our starting position on every drive .. and the opposing team;s starting position .. 10 yards of better performance per drive make a huge difference to our O and D ..
I mean how much more can they do this year ? …
It’s all part of the big picture .. and it’s looking brighter to me…
GO LIONS !!!!!
What
LB crew are you looking at. We have 2 starters, a ST guy that everyone is hoping makes the leap, and then a bunch of full time ST players.
We have two starters?
Who?
We have JP, a 2nd year player who they HOPE pans out, and a 7th round special teams pass rusher…
Our LBs are worse off than our secondary… been saying that for months.
Hahaha
I really think we’ve made huge strides in the offseason, and I don’t even dislike that a lot of our players have come from Seattle. We’ve gleaned some real sleepers from that team.
I just don’t understand why we GAVE SOMETHING UP for someone who performed WORSE than the guy we just outright released, why? Just cuz he was a former 1st rounder?
Gosder Cherilus was a 1st rounder that same year, and he performs below the level of a regular starter in the NFL.
Don't think it's that ...
In fact jackson was injured and has hardly practiced this year .. so that looks bad …
BUT coaches don’t always look at what he did there .. they are looking at what he offers, how he can fit here and judge accordingly. He might fit better here …
Let’s wait and see ..
LB Crew
We don’t have any major additions at LB .. just Depth players. We know the staff expects the players from last year to get better with 1 year’s progress.
I do agree that Foote is a major loss .. but it will be made up for .. all in all with the DL we are planning. As far as Ernie Sims is concerned, he was actually a problem rather than a solution. And please don’t tell me his tackle stats. Check how much he over pursued or missed assignments. That was addition by way of deduction.
It’s good to look at every unit .. but everything cannot be upgraded at once…
The Lions seem to be playing a fine game of chess .. and again .. look at the big picture … Some solutions will affect other units .. and you might be surprised …
Not that the Job is done by any means … adding quality talent is always welcome ..
I
Was being sarcastic about Ernie Sims. I agree it is nice to add depth to a unit that is expected to carrie the defense. But when you have ZERO depth in certain positions, why trade away picks that could be used to acquire Page or preferably D. Johnson. Mayhew has proved me wrong on just about every other decision I didn’t like, so I guess I will just have to wait and see.
For all you know though this could be part of working a deal with KC
Lets wait and see how things pan out.
I have a lot of trust in the FO.
I’m sure he will be an upgrade for our depth. Seattle drafted him to be a starter which is a big difference in expectations.
Have you read anything?
Then I guess every defensive player on our team aside from Cliff Avril wasn’t ‘good’
Last year means nothing
This is a what have you done for me lately league. If Hunter was not up to snuff this year that is why he was cut, not because he had a good season a year ago. Again I must reiterate that past performance is no indication of future results.
I hope this wasn't that "christmas: present
We don’t need a backup DE we need a starting corner!
Suh,Williams,Avril,VandenBosch
With the Four Horsemen ride,Or choose your fate and die
Interesting what the Seahawks fans think of this trade
Detroit wins. If that is what you are asking, the answer is: Detroit wins this trade.
That was the first line of the fanpost. The rest of the post is linked.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Whats alittle troubling
is that Jackson was at USC when Carroll was the coach.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
I'm still trusting in Mayhew for the secondary.
since he was a DB while playing… he might have a good plan for that.
HA!
Sadly, with the injuries piling up, his plan may end up being to suit up again and get out there and play.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
He's made a lot of good changes.
We had so many holes that it was impossible to upgrade every position that needed it.
by coolbreeze42 on Aug 19, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally I am starting to think that Hunter
might have asked to be released, or something. Something happened behind the scenes that we are not aware of. Because Hunter being release than a couple of days later we make a trade for a player that is almost the same guy. And I dont think Hunter was released because a Mayhew knew that he would be trading for Jackson. Or Jackson would have already been in camp the day Hunter was released. Just to me it feels like something is up.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Very true
I have some ideas but I’m at the end of a weak 3G connection in the woods sitting around a campfire east of Petoskey. I think I’ll post them at a later date.
by delusional on Aug 18, 2010 10:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice
I get to come up to northwestern Mich in two weeks for some quality camping & fire-ness! (I live in Chicago now). I’d like to hear your ideas of what we’re up to (or Mayhew rather).
RA
Come on up, but the coyotes are bad tonight.
After 10 years of wtf are they doing, you can see the broad picture and style taking shape. I’m pumped like crazy over the D, but have some scheme thoughts and concerns.
by delusional on Aug 18, 2010 11:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not a bad move for you guys.
Jackson was pretty bad his first two years and he wasn’t a 1st round talent by any stretch of the imagination. But he is still very young and has some moderate upside. In any case, a 6th round pick is definitely a bargain for a recent 1st round pick who didn’t fit his original team due to a scheme-switch.
I hope him and my boy Nate Burleson have success in Detroit.
per NFL.com
The Lions made a series of moves Wednesday, also claiming kicker Steven Hauschka and defensive back T.J. Rushing off waivers and cutting kicker Aaron Pettrey and cornerback Jahi Word-Daniels.
not sure if this has been posted in another thread or not.
MAYHEW FOR PREZ 2012!
Seriously, how the hell did we manage to be in a position where the man who runs our team is actually an intelligent human being? Is he blackmailing opposing GM’s? What the hell is going on?
He seems to really have a good feel for the Seahawks GM, he's gotten the better of him in 3 deals now
He also totally worked over Jerry Jones or whoever pulled the strings on the Roy Williams deal
by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 19, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
hunter is attitude....
sometimes a coach and a player don’t see eye to eye , not usually as bad as the broncos have been , but maybe coach jim and mr. hunter do not share the same vision and he needs a new start somewhere else…also some guys think they are good as is and become un-coachable …kind of vain in a way …I played alot of football and have seen this many times ….another ex-lion who has done well is charlie batch …he has a super bowl ring !!!!….seems like all our cast-offs play well against us ….remember joey harrington and miami of thanksgiving day ….I didn’t eat well on that hoiliday !!!!
marc hoople
Lawrence Jackson
I like this trade because the guy has a lot of talent the light bulb just needs to go off. If that happens he would be a great addition considering we already have Avril, Vanden Bosch and Wille Young who has been looking really good and has great potential just like Jackson.
by Detroitsportsfan3 on Aug 19, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
I like it
He still has upside, and it often takes a team change to spring a player into action. Hope he makes big strides with us.
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