Drew Stanton Leads Lions Back To 25-20 Win Over Broncos
by Sean Yuille on Aug 22, 2010 12:13 AM EDT
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The Lions picked up their first win of the preseason by taking down the Broncos, 25-20. Detroit got a great first half out of its starters, and although the second and third teams struggled, Drew Stanton came into the game late in the fourth quarter and did what he does best -- lead the Lions to a comeback victory in the preseason.
In the first half, the Lions' offense played great. Matthew Stafford again looked very comfortable in the pocket, just waiting to make plays as the receivers ran their routes. The offensive line gave him time, and he capitalized, completing 13 of 18 passes for 130 yards and one touchdown. The TD was on a beautiful pass to Calvin Johnson, who simply out-jumped the defensive back on him to make the catch.
Defensively, the Lions' starters also played very well. Although the secondary looked a bit shaky at times, the defensive line was once again extremely impressive, putting pressure on Kyle Orton and making plays. The Broncos did score two touchdowns in the first half, but that was mainly against the Lions' backups.
When the second- and third-teamers got into the game, the Lions started to struggle more and more, but they didn't let the game get out of reach like last week. Instead the Lions managed to hang around and Stanton came in to lead Detroit to victory, scoring on a QB draw from 25 yards out. The Broncos blitzed, and he simply ran right up the middle for a touchdown. The two-point conversion was no good, but luckily that didn't matter, as Willie Young forced a fumble on the final drive of the game. The Lions recovered and were able to just take a knee and run out the clock, sealing the 25-20 victory.
I will have much more on this game in the coming days, including a play-by-play breakdown of the first-team offense and defense, as well as a look at who improved their chances of making the 53-man roster.
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starters rocked aghen..
backups looked bad…
didnt like that we went for FG and not the TD
best was very good
Dang you sure do write fast Sean ;)
Good game. I still like Eric Fowler as one of the final 3 receivers behind C. J., B. J. and Burlesson. Leaving that last spot a dog fight with Derrick Williams, Tim Toone, and Dennis Northcutt. Just my opinion but so far I would go with Derrick Williams and put Toone on the practice squad, Northcut being the casualty of cuts.
All the Lions QB’s looked good.
I also am starting to like Gronk to make the team too. Though I still think Grew and Shef are the clear 1 and 2 tight ends I think Gronk is about tied with Heller in my book with Heller having a very slight edge. Personally I hope they carry all 4 of them.
Best looked good again, Kevin Smith looked like he is fully recovered from the injury, and DeDe found some redemption and is going to make it one hell of a battle between him and Mo Morris for the 3rd RB spot. I don’t know if they have room to carry 4 running backs but I do feel that one might end up on the practice squad. IMO that should be Brown so far.
The offensive line starters looked good, the backups looked like backups. Jason Fox looks like he might be solid in a year or two but needs some work to be a starter. Cory Hilliard made a bad whiff in pass blocking that caused a sack and fumble.
Looks like Felton will be used at tailback in the power game and Nordin may be used as more of a receiving option at FB if he makes the team.
On the Defensive Line Suh shows the promise but does need some work. For the second week now I have seen him get pressure and a hand on the QB but fail to bring him down. Plus that he is getting pressure but I would like to see those become take downs at some point in the near future. The whole line continues to impress, even the depth guys like Cohen and Young. In fact I am going to call Willie Young “The Fly” because he keeps on buzzing around the play and annoying the QB, plus he loves fishing so it fits in with fly fishing.
With the LB corps I have some seriously mixed feelings. I think Zack is out there sucking it up bad, and from what I see johnson and Campbell are outplaying him, that could be because they are playing lesser competition though. I definitely hope those guys make the team. I would love to see Caleb Campbell get some reps on 1st team at the Will LB spot. He seems very instinctive, tough, and not only does he make big hits but he wraps up on tackles too. Landon Johnson looks like good, solid, veteran depth for us. Ekejiuba shows some promise at MLB and might be a good one to keep around also. Due to the fact that he has 6 years and is not eligible for the practice squad he might get a roster spot over someone on the bubble, like Caleb. J. P. looked like he always does, solid, but definitely on the decline of his career. Levy played decent so that is a plus. I know his confidence needs some reinforcement before he will trust his body to do what it needs to do out there.
The secondary looked improved if not great. I could not believe that Houston was called for pass interference for being mugged by the WR on that under thrown ball. He had his head around enough and that was a WWE style take down by the WR, pisses me off that a DB gets flagged for any contact after 10 yards but its perfectly all right for the WR to do it. Pratt shows some promise, I like his ferocity and toughness. King was exposed. He is solid depth or nickle for us but certainly not much of a starter on the outside. Even though Spievey is a bit rough I like some of what I see from him. He hits hard and put Fargas on his can and coming up limping. Was a nice play since that was 20+ more yards if he didn’t make that play where he did. Randy Phillips continues to impress me more than any other safety on our team not named Delmas. IMO the starting job next to Louis should be his on opening day if he keeps it up. C. C. Brown looks like a depth guy and goal line type of specialist since he is a lot better playing the run than the pass. It would be scary to have him be in on every down. The highlight of my night had to be Dre Bly picking off the deflected pass from Orton though. Nice to see the old man back where he belongs and still having some juice left too. Never liked seeing him go the first time around and I think he is the perfect mentor for some of our young guys. If you watch any of the clips of practices and stuff and pay attention to what is going on in the background it is pretty clear that he is like having another secondary coach out there on the team. Totally a great move to pick him up over Pacman even he is having a good preseason for the Bengals.
Special teams looked a little better on the kicking game. Harris was solid when he had to punt. I like the new kicker. He was pretty solid on kickoffs forcing a lot of touchbacks even though he gave us a big scare at the end there with a misfire, thank god that Denver had a player take a dumb penalty. He made the field goals he should have made too. It might even be worth keeping him around to do kick offs and as insurance in case Hanson does not recover from his injury well. It seems like Hanson might be getting fragile in his twilight years.
Kickoff coverage still needs work, especially the gunners. I just pray and generally hold my breath every time we have to cover a punt or kick off. On a final note, Dante Wesley looked like crap out there. I don’t see him making any big impact plays on special teams and I know that S is not his natural position, but then he is not exactly a promising young rookie either. I sure hope that this guy don’t get a roster spot just because he is a coaches pet. I would much rather see a guy like Caleb Campbell making the team.
Like your stuff evilsmurf
I have man love for Fowler also.
by delusional on Aug 22, 2010 12:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Say what you will about Bly, but he still has a nose for the ball if nothing else
He’s going to make plays like that intermittently all year long, and also periodically get completely torched. Kind of evens out in the end I guess. We just have to give him safety help deep or we’re going to be in trouble.
by WestsideLionsFan on Aug 22, 2010 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with some of those points
There’s a lot I differ with though, although I like the insight you’re providing.
1) I don’t see Gronkowski . He has some talent, but he doesn’t fill any roles on this roster. Gronkowski is primarily a receiving TE, and we already have one of those in Scheffler, and I don’t see him beating out Heller.
2) Dline: I think Suh is far ahead of progress for a rookie (IMO). He is already having an impact in the game in his second preseason game, and that’s really hard to do as a rookie.
Overall: As good as the game looked on tape, we still have to notice that Kyle Orton completed 16 of 22 passes for 176 yards and 2 TDs in a half of football. The back 7 need a ton of work in coverage, and I’m not gonna use the corners as the scapegoats. The LBs, especially Follet, seems to be a step behind in coverage, and there just seems to be gaps in the defensive coverage.
On offense, I have to say I was a bit disappointed. Stafford played well again, which is a huge positive, so is the fact that Jahvid Best looks like the real deal, but the Lions kicked three field goals, when they were below the ten yard line. The whole point of adding pieces like Scheffler, Burleson and Best were to score touchdowns, not march up and down the field. Personally, I don’t get why they didn’t run the ball more in the redzone, especially with a bigger back. I understand K Smith is coming off an injury, but why not put in Mo Morris or even Felton.
The beginning of the end of the misery
Replying to your counter points
1) Gronk is a project but I see marked improvement in him from last year. He is a big physical specimen that can block well and catch adequately if not great. He is kind of a poor mans Pettigrew. Then again I was impressed with him last preseason too and the Lions cut him and signed him to the practice squad. I don’t see him as similar to Scheffler at all, more like Grew or even Heller.
2) I agree that Suh is way beyond where he should be as a rookie, just the fact that he is getting any pressure at all is amazing. Especially since he is usually chiped off by a 2nd guy from his main blocker. I was just stating that a next step in his progress is to make those pressures into sacks. This guy is going to be an absolute beast and I am very happy we drafted him even though I was in the Okung corner for a bit. BTW speaking of that Okung left the Seattle game very early and was dinged up coming into the game. Looks like he might not even be healthy his rookie year.
I agree with your sentiments on the secondary and Follett. That is why I want to see more of Caleb Campbell at WOLB. He seems very instinctive and just as hard nosed as Zack, and a better tackler. Spievey will progress but is by no means in shape to start yet. A healthy Jonathan Wade and Jack Williams in there would make a big difference IMO.
I also would like to see more goal line packages but after listening to Gym Shortz post game interview I am convinced the Lions are holding a lot of their offense back. And in that regard I don’t want to see too much of anything until it counts. I don’t want to see the big set for short yardage with Felton at tailback and a Pettigrew lead blocking for him, nor do I want to see Best as the wildcat back, until it counts.
The running back situation and DE/DT situation is crazy if you look at the personnel who will we keep on the 53 man?
RB: Best, Smith, and then you have to pick between Morris, Dorsey, and Brown. Right now Morris wins for me and that leaves Brown and Dorsey as cuts or trade bait. A lot can change in the next two games that don’t really count though.
DE: KVB, Avril, Young, LoJack, McBride, Fluellen If we keep 4 who are they going to cut? KVB and Avril are givens, that is our starters. LoJack they just traded for so he will be kept. IMO Willie Young has to be kept, we will lose him on waivers if we try to put him on the practice squad. Also keep in mind that practice squad players are free to be paoched by any NFL team in need. Just like we lost Lydon Murtha last year, we for sure would lose Willie Young if we don’t keep him on the 53. So IMO that leaves McBride and Fluellen as either cuts or trade bait.
DT: Williams, Suh, Hill, Cohen, and Callaway. Callaway is the obvious cut or practice squad player. Williams, Suh, and Hill are locks for the rotation, in fact Schwartz hass already said there will be primarily 2 starters at DE and DT with one rotational player seeing a lot of time. Cohen has been a beast so far but looks like the odd man out.
Granted with the DE/DT they will likely keep one extra guy between McBride, Fluellen, and Cohen, but any way you cut it we are starting to cut some decent players. I hope they can pull off a trade for some of these guys from our deepest position DL and add to depth or starting talent elsewhere in the defense, like a decent CB. I know everyone talks about trading SLH but when you look at the personnel you can see why. Personally I would be happy even getting 7th rounders for two of these guys and keeping an extra one on the roster, but then I am not the coach or general manager.
Maybe I missed the posts or comments about trading Sammie Lee, but that would be crazy to me.
The guy is a work in progress who I see as a future run plugging DT next to Suh. He is an important rotational guy right now, who will probably get at least 400 snaps this year. Unless the Lions got a fantastic offer, I would not even think about it.
by NorthLeft12 on Aug 22, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
x100000000
Suh,Williams,Avril,VandenBosch
With the Four Horsemen ride,Or choose your fate and die
by The Profiler on Aug 22, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
S*H Wall
SLH & SUH should solidify our middle for years to come.
Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz! - The Great Yogurt
by cheyennejack on Aug 22, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
corey won't be around forever
As much as I like williams I would have no problem with Hill starting this year.
Suh,Williams,Avril,VandenBosch
With the Four Horsemen ride,Or choose your fate and die
by The Profiler on Aug 22, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Rundown Smurf
I don’t get to see the game here in Queens land, and can’t afford a cable package that will let me. Thanks for the comment! I’m dissapointed you don’t think Follett is progressing. I was hoping for big things from the boy. Plenty of time. Suh didn’t get a take down, was he doubled a lot again?
Expectations don't produce!
Yeah I am a bit hartbroken over Follett too. He just looks slow out there and lost in pass coverage.
On a side not the one thing I left out is that we had a lot of stupid penalties. Even from the first stringers, we need to pick up on those mental mistakes. However from a high tempo team that brings it, I think some of those over effort penalties are acceptable.
Double Teams
Suh was taking up quite a few double teams. Saw some pretty good things when he and KVB did some cross stints. On one Suh clobbered and pancaked #74 there starting right tackle, while KVB blew up the middle.
They actually mixed up the line quite a bit, I saw Suh on the outside on their LT at least once. The Denver broadcasters were constantly talking about how devastating our DLine was.
Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz! - The Great Yogurt
by cheyennejack on Aug 22, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Take a breath with Zack.
I agree with everything said about him, but the guy is rookie in a lot of the way.
He’ll pick it up.
by delusional on Aug 22, 2010 1:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree. I am not a big fan of his but it is a little early to look for his replacement.
If we could put up with Ernie Sims there for a few years I think we can give Zack a few games.
by NorthLeft12 on Aug 22, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The line
looked great. KVB was everywhere and he robbed on the unneccsary roughness play. Suh has missed a couple sack oppurtunities, he has to get used to Qb’s being more than 150 lbs.
On the play where there was a long pass to Royal that was called back
Suh completely destroyed his guy, but when the guy fell backwards, Suh followed through and plowed him into the ground. If he’d gone after Orton straight away instead of completely pancaking the guy, he’d have gotten a pretty easy sack. Instead, by the time he got his balance back, Orton was sprinting away.
+1
I saw that too. I think the coaches will get onto him about that, and you won’t see that again. Suh, will learn to destroy and shed vs his natural instinct to destroy and destroy. That was their Right Tackle too on a cross stint, with KVB shooting up the middle behind Suh. My guess is that Suhs #1 job on that play was to blow up the right side of the line. He probably didn’t realize how easily that would work out and that he’d have a shot at Orton immediatly after blowing up Harris. I’m excited about Suh, as that is just the case of needing a few more gametime reps to destroy and seek.
Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz! - The Great Yogurt
by cheyennejack on Aug 22, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Kvb penalty
That was his dumbness, not a bad call. That dude was down . If he gonna be a capt. He need to show more restraint
by lionsfan4ever on Aug 22, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont get pissed about over enthusiasm penalties or over effort calls.
What pisses me off are the stupid false starts, illegal formations, and stuff that happens away from the play.
You gotta be happy with a W
Offensive MVPS:
- Stafford, a controlled and efficient performance. I liked what I seen from him.
- Best, if that’s what we can expect from him in the regular season, then we have ourselves a running back. He is so quick and shifty.
Defensive MVP:
- Willie Young, I am so impressed by him. Like Evilsmurf said, he’s like a fly constantly buzzing around the QB. He’s sack fumble virtually won us the game and his pressure was very solid.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
Nothing really changed
I came away from this game with the same feeling I had after last week: the starters are good. The coaching staff is sufficient and getting better. But there is no depth. Our backups for the most part look like guys who should not be in the league. And the way it’s looking we may have to start Dre Bly. I know, I know…but have you seen any corner look better than him so far this camp? I think Phillips should win the job as the other safety next to LouDel, I don’t really like King all that much, but its not like we’re raining DB’s so he may still get a shot. The linebackers don’t look good. JPete is getting up there, he’s lost a step but can still get it done, Levy looks so-so. Zack Follet is dissapointing. He had a chance to step up and so far he’s blowing it. Landon looks okay—he may take Follet’s spot weakside with Levy at strong and Pete in the middle. The D-Line is solid. I love Suh (remember he’s still a baby…give him time. Look at Mario Williams for the Texans, said he was a bust and now look at him. Avril looks like he eats his Wheaties every morning, KVB fits right in and looks quicker than I thought he was, Sammie Hill is so big that he may require a double team every play, freeeing up space for the rest of the guys. All in all, good game. Offense looked good, but the whole team has no depth. If anything happens to a starter, the season is a wash. Especially on defense with respect to LB’s and DB’s.
Go, Sparty, Go!! Deeeeeeeeetroit Baaaasketbaaaaaaaal!!
+1
At this point, I wanna see Landon Johnson play one of the preseason games with the first team defense. We can’t forget that he was a starting LB in the league just two years ago and is also fairly young. Also, I think at this point, Philips has outright won the starting safety spot opposite of Delmas. None of the other safeties look nearly as good.
The beginning of the end of the misery
Looking at his stats
He is a former Bengal so I do remember him.
He started three games out of ten in 2009 and didn’t start any for the Panthers in ‘08. He was a full time starter for the Bengals in ’06 and ’07 and the LB corps for that group was kinda weak. if he’s truly better than any of the starters, I can’t imagine it’s by a lot.
by Doc Scratch on Aug 22, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You won't see Levy anywhere but Middle
I listened to Gym Shortz post game and he wass talking about how Levy is exactly what they want in a MLB and how happy he is with him. He also handles a lot of their checks and audibles when he is on the field.
hard to evaluate the coaching staff
when they are hiding their systems for the most part. they are running plays that test certain positions, checking for player responses. in the real games, they will try to hide potential weaknesses rather than expose them.
by x$pcents IV on Aug 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta give some love to my boy Stanton...
Hell of a drive… Ugly, but effective.
That pass to Fowler was one of the best throws I’ve ever seen him make.
His dive into the endzone was funny as hell.
Drew deserves some cred though
He looked good last night. He seems to be improving.
Suh,Williams,Avril,VandenBosch
With the Four Horsemen ride,Or choose your fate and die
by The Profiler on Aug 22, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Suh
Gunther had Suh lined up at every D-line position trying to break those double teams along with stunting with I believe Avril.
It certainly freed up Suh a bit, allowing him to at least get close or get a hand on Orton.
I certainly liked what I seen so far.
by delusional on Aug 22, 2010 10:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I liked what I saw out of Suh.
I could see that Follett was slow to get in the play. Though I thought he was more effective then last week.
Awesome
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by Sean Yuille on Aug 22, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Follett?
Will he see any playing time besides Special Teams?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
I would have to say that is very much up in the air right now
He is basically a rook LB. He has a lot of learning to do.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
despite his popularity, follett is playing like he wants to cut.
Jahvid best is getting the job done though. I’m impressed.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
by Skylar on Aug 22, 2010 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Too bad about Follett
There were better players at Cal, but Follett was by far the most popular.
As for Best, I wish him nothing but the best. I do worry about his health though. He had an hip injury and that injury last year against Oregon State still scares me. When healthy though, Best is incredible to watch. He can also receive if needed.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
Durability is the only thing that's gonna hold him back, based on the NCAA & Preseason NFL Play I've watched.
Lots of people didn’t like the pick, but I’m super optimistic about him.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
If he can stay healthy
The Lions won’t regret that pick. I hate comparing him to Barry Sanders, but that’s who he reminds me of. I’m not saying he will be better than Sanders, but the way he runs reminds me of Barry Sanders.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
i say the same
about 3 times during the game he’d do a barry move. just a tweek slower.
by lionsfan4ever on Aug 24, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets not kill the kid with Barry comparisons
Saint Barry was an angel sent by the football gods as a gift to Detroit for 40 years of futility.
When the football gods saw how we squandered his limitless talent they called him back and punished us with years of endless pain.
Thankfully, I seems the football gods have finally forgiven us for our sins.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
Too late..
Any RB who dares to put on a Lions’ jersey will always be compared to Barry even if they do not necessarily run like Barry…that’s just the bar that man has set that no RB has yet to reach.
But honestly, I don’t think he runs like Barry. Ya, he has got some elusiveness but it looks like he runs with more speed than agility and when he gets stuck in the backfield he doesn’t waste too much time back there. He reminds me more of Reggie Bush than Barry Sanders, he runs straight up makes quick moves to either the left or the right again not wasting any time deciding where he wants to go. Not saying he is bad because he runs more like Reggie Bush but he might turn out to be that RB Reggie Bush was supposed to be when he entered the league.
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Its quite obvious
Are teams sucess will be based on the sucess of the D line. They are capabale of controlling a game and helping are sub average secondary. The offense can make big plays and score but also control the clock when needed. If the D line slips due to injury or a simple fall off in play well I don’t think I have to say what will happen. Suh looked good getting in tha backfield this week while still being double teamed. Vanden Bosch and Avril again dictated QB play. We need a starting corner or this D line will not fulfill its potential on hurried passes we were burned by royal on more than one ocassion. Houston needs to improve fast or a trade for another corner needs to happen before week one.
Suh,Williams,Avril,VandenBosch
With the Four Horsemen ride,Or choose your fate and die
hey... anyone else see that lead block...
Felton made for Best in the first Quarter??? Total pancake… couldn’t tell if it was the DE or OLB… I’m gonna look for that clip.
First round cuts
Looks like the first cuts should be easy enough, just start with the back seven. The way Denver was just dinking and dunking, blown coverage, missed assingments and poor tackling for the first two games makes some of those choices fairly easy. Our 2`s and 3`s are being beat by their 2`s and 3`s. Same on offense bad blocking, penalties and players in the wrong spots or not even on the field ( they had to call Toone in off the bench in the 4th ). Our returners don`t seem to be doing much. I would like to see Dorsey get a chance there.
1 slice, 1 beer, 5 more reps.
bad backups
Wow. What a difference a few years make. We can actually complain about the backups, sucking against backups. We used to complain about our starters actually being no better than backups. The direction of the team is improving. We might even get some valuable vets next year who see this as a valid team to join and take on some of those backup/coaching roles while we give our young guys actually time to develop behind real starters.
Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz! - The Great Yogurt
by cheyennejack on Aug 22, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dorsey vs Brown
I’ve always been a big Aaron Brown fan over Dede Dorsey, but have to admit that Dede looked a heck of a lot better. He just ran like a man with a mission. He should get a shot at return duty to determine between the two, since we really don’t have much of a returner popping yet. Kind of wish we’d locked up Pacman, he’s having a pretty good pre-season, especially as a returner.
Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz! - The Great Yogurt
by cheyennejack on Aug 22, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Dorsey #3 RB Brown KR
Dorsey will beat out the “sloth” aka Morris, for the 3rd RB spot he has 10 times the upside of MM
those are just the facts, im just sayin. Browns speed must be utilized, hes not much slower than
J Best and you know what they say, “speed kills” use it if you got it i say.
Guys I havn't really heard anyone talk about Phillips yet
Randy Phillips impresses me. He looks solid I am hoping we keep him around. He is constantly coming up in run support and could be our guy to play opposite of Delmas. He looks better to me than CC brown so I’d love to see him kept. If we were to put him on the practice squad he will definitely be swiped from us. What do you guys think about him?
From what I saw against the Steelers and heard against the Broncos, he will be on the team and has a good shot at being a starter.
If Delmas is not healthy enough I believe Phillips will start for sure. Even if Phillips does not start game one, I think he will win the job outright by the Bye week.
by NorthLeft12 on Aug 22, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He was one of my favourites from last night
He looks the goods right now. Great tackler.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
by Hyperion Ecta on Aug 22, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy is the real deal
Hoping he can come through like another UDFA Randy (err Randall) and just take over games with his competitiveness. He’s only been with us a few weeks really, is playing very well, and was out his entire junior year of college. He could be something special and unexpected.
Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz! - The Great Yogurt
by cheyennejack on Aug 22, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Overall ..
From what I saw from our team (NOT Backups) … I really think we are almost there … I mean our O and D can play with the best of them …
Major concern was of course coverage on D. I was one who believed in patience and that it’s a slow progress .. and we r 2 years from playoffs …
BUT after watching the game last night, I am too excited .. Maybe I am wrong cuz Denver was banged up .. and lot of their starters were missing .. But The promise of our team was obvious …
My question is .. Should we trade away a few major picks … (might mortgage the future) for help in the secondary and LB ? … That, IMO, might get us to the playoffs this year itself …
Opinions people ?
We are not even close, IMHO, to making the playoffs.
Playoff teams have depth and we flat out don’t in most positions and have absolutely none in the secondary (one of the more physical and punishing positions in the game)
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
Yeh, this is what worries me
The offense and DLine depth is acceptable, I guess (OLine being the weakest in terms of depth), is alright, getting beyond those two and it gets paper thing. I’m worried for down the road, help is needed.
by Doc Scratch on Aug 22, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Starters
Help build better depth.
I don’t want us to trade the farm this year, but our depth guys are really going to benefit and improve from having to step their game up and play against quality starters for once.
Guys like Fox can only improve having to play against KVB, Suh, et al and our young corners can only improve by playing against Calvin, Nate and out TEs.
This is a team that will be able to compete with its starters and over a season will build up some solid vets and depth. Next year we will actually anguish over cuts of guys that are pretty decent that we helped build.
Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz! - The Great Yogurt
by cheyennejack on Aug 22, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
NO TRADES FOR SHORT TERM GAIN!
Especially not to give up any early round [first to fourth] round picks. I know our secondary looks bad [again] but we have some young guys who need a chance to show what they can do before we push the panic button. Phillips may be the UDFA of the year, Spievey has shown some reason for optimism, Jack Williams and Jonathon Wade could also contribute if they get some intensive coaching and actual playing time.
I am very much in favour of sitting tight and picking up guys with potential from waivers and by trading those later picks [fifth, sixth, or seventh].
by NorthLeft12 on Aug 22, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Right on all counts in my opinion. Keep the picks, let the young guys grow and pick from what is left in a couple of weeks.
1 slice, 1 beer, 5 more reps.
Approx. 600 bodies will be hitting the open market with the Lions getting 2nd dibs at them, you know Mayhew is going to be cherry picking DB’s.
by delusional on Aug 22, 2010 12:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
+1
I was about to say that.
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by cheyennejack on Aug 22, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the story on Cherilus ?
Lucky me, I’m in Arizona and have to use my imagination by listening to 97.1. Would be nice if they kept better track of the substitutions. Did he even play ? Coach was right. Cut downs will be a killer this year. I’m not even going to venture a guess. Two more games to make or break it. " Very interesting ! "
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Jansen started, then Cherilus played in the late second and into the third.
I’m recording the next replay of the game (which airs on NFL Network tonight at 2:00am) to watch the lines a little better. I didn’t see either Jansen or Cherilus give up any blatant plays or penalties.
My brother and TCLion were over this weekend...
And when Drew Stanton came into the game, before he took his first snap (the fumbled snap at that), I looked at them and said “Five is going to score. Five is going to lead us to victory this game.” Then he took his first snap and fumbled the ball, of course drawing great laughs from the guys…“Great prediction Kale…hahaha”. I stuck to my guns and said “Just watch…number five is going to win this game for us”.
And then Drew Stanton did what he does best…he used his legs to keep drives alive, and he efficiently marched the 3rd string offense down the field for a touchdown. When he dove into the end zone, I said “I told you so”.
See, Drew Stanton is a poor man’s Tim Tebow…LOL. He may not be the best QB with the greatest throwing motion, he may not be the most accurate or fundamentally sound QB, and he may not be the most mobile QB…but he finds ways to WIN. Personally, I firmly believe that Drew is superior to Shaun Hill, and I think Stanton should be the #2 behind Stafford. I know that probably will not happen, but that is the way I see it. Hill is supposed to be the guy who looks ugly but gets the job done…well, when has he gotten the job done so far? Drew got the job done.
I am a Michigan fan…but I always had respect for Stanton and I still think he is a solid backup.
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I love what Drew did last night
But given the chance to prove quarterback superiority against daunte culpepper last season, I believe he missed the mark. Stanton has zero viability in the regular season and is nothing but a third string QB until Detroit lets him go.
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by Skylar on Aug 22, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
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by cheyennejack on Aug 22, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We had no LG last year...
And the offensive line was terrible…
They are giving the QB time this preseason…so far they look much improved in my opinion. I say give Drew another chance at proving he can run with the big boys and see what happens. If he fails…fine. What do we have to lose? Shaun Hill sucked bad last night.
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I can't say I agree KD
I like Drew, but he had his chance last year, and he failed. He shows up in the 4th quarter of pre-season games, but other than that he really struggles. I agree that he does have somewhat of a winning mentality, but I think Shaun Hill has proven himself as someone who can win in the regular season.
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by Hyperion Ecta on Aug 22, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Sean Hill looked pretty good and is still learning our system. We have a backup who would start on several teams.
by coolbreeze42 on Aug 22, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you say Shaun Hill looked pretty good last night??
Sure he had a decent completion %…but the offense couldn’t (and didn’t) move at all when he was under center. Drew came in with a couple of minutes to wrok with, and marched 80 yards…
All I am saying is that I liked how the offense moved when Stanton came into the game, and I did not like how it looked with Hill in the game. He reminds me of a slightly smarter Orlavsky.
Hill drives – Punt (3 and out), turnover (fumble on play 6), punt (3 and out), FG (13 plays, 64 yards, 4:37 elapsed…his best and last drive…into the 4th QTR).
Stanton drives – TD (10 plays, 87 yards, 3:26 elapsed) With 2 beautiful 3rd down plays, Drew Stanton tossed a 28 yard pass to Eric Fowler, and ran 25 yards for a TD to win the game…
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If Shaun Hill is so much better than Drew Stanton...
Then why is DAVID CARR the backup in San Francisco right now, and why did they trade Shaun Hill to us for a 6th round pick??
Answer – He is not nearly as good as people wish he was…and in fact he only did as well as he did in SF in 2008 (Alex Smith took his job back in 2009) is because of the success of Frank Gore. There has to be a reason why SF felt that they were better off getting a 6th round pick, and having David Carr as a backup over Hill…
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For the same reasons that Green Bay moved Brett Favre.
What is the 49ers front office now the bible of all football knowledge and everything that should be? Just because a team decides to move on from a player does not mean that they are washed up or not good. It means that they do not fit into that teams plans anymore. I suppose Drew Brees just plain sucks right? Because San Diego decided to move on from him and develop Phillip Rivers? And Larry Foote was just a horrible LB for us last year when Pittsburgh decided to move on from him? And Jared Allen is just such a crap player for Minnesota now that K. C. decided to move on from him. And I think we all know that McNabb is going to make Washington a LOT better this year, yet Philly decided to move on from him, and even trade him into the division!
Look, Stanton has proven nothing. He looks good in the preseason every year. However when given the opportunity last year he could not beat out Culpepper who is not even in the league anymore. Have you actually watched any of the 48ers games he played in? I have and I can tell you he absolutely is hands down better than Drew Stanton. No Hill is not a flashy QB, no he is not going to go out there and bomb it like an Aaron Rogers or Drew Brees. He is much like a Chad Pennington, Phil Sims, or Trent Dilfer. He will take the plays the defense gives him and dink and dunk it down the field. He will last a long time in the league as a backup because he does not have to be a gunslinger to do what he does. He is a good solid backup, a game manager type of QB. He is not going to make late game heroic drives like Staff will, but then he is not going to gamble and make the bonehead ints like Drew will staring down one receiver the whole time before throwing the inaccurate pass for an int.
lol
All of the guys you mentioned were moved for cap reasons or age…except Larry Foote and Shaun Hill. Larry Foote was released because the Steelers thought that they had a younger, and better, solution in Lawrence Timmons to replace him. And if Larry Foote was so good for us last year, don’t you think we would have met his meager contract demands and resigned him?
Shaun Hill was moved because he sucked, and the 49ers figured they were better off seeing what they could get out of their 1st round pick in Alex Smith. They also figured they could pay David Carr less than Shaun Hill to be a backup. Yes, I watched games that Shaun Hill was the QB for San Fran…and they were ALL ugly. When their offense moved at all, it was because of Frank Gore…plain and simple. Shaun Hill is NO better than Drew Stanton…he just happened to be in a situation where he got a chance to start because J.T. O’Sullivan and Alex Smith were worse than he was, and because Alex Smith had an injured shoulder for a lot of 2007 and all of 2008. Drew Stanton has never had a chance to run the 1st team offense for 8 games in the regular season, let alone get the reps in practice required to gel with those guys. Daunte Culpepper was GIVEN the starting job without ANY consideration for Drew Stanton.
You’re trying to compare apples to oranges. In fact, Drew Stanton had beaten Daunte Culpepper for the starting job at one point in 2009. He started the game against the 49ers, coincidentally. He had better than 50% completions, but he did toss 3 INTS before he was knocked out of the game thanks to our swiss cheese offensive line. Good old Daunte came in and went 7-12 for 51 yards of lackluster performance. Drew Stanton led us down the field on the opening drive, before the offense stalled in the red zone and Hanson kicked a FG. The only other score for us came late in the 4th quarter in garbage time.
I’m not sure where your man love for Shaun Hill comes from, or where your clear bias comes from against Drew Stanton. Since Drew has never had a chance to get comfortable with the 1st team, how does anyone know what he could do if called upon? You certainly do not. I do not. I just think he has a LOT more potential than Shaun Hill. We know what we will get with Shaun Hill…a dink and dunk QB with a ton of bad habits and horrible mechanics. A guy who might plod the offense down the field if the running game is firing on all cylinders. The problem is that opposing teams ALSO know what THEY will get against Shaun Hill. Immobility, lame passes, and nothing special. At least Drew can make things happen with his feet if need be, and he is not a known commodity.
Are the 49ers “the bible of all football knowledge and everything that should be”? Absolutely not. But when one bad team give a player to another bad team, it has to raise questions about that player in my mind. I am willing to give the guy a shot, but I am NOT willing to hand him the #2 role without an EQUAL shot to Drew Stanton. Period. Too many people have already written Stanton off, and have easily forgotten that he was not looking all that bad when given the chance to play. I am not one of those people. You can argue until you are blue in the face…it will not change my resolve.
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Hey, thats good....a Smurf arguing until he is blue in the face. LOL
I checked the 49ers record over the last three years with and without Hill and/or Gore.
With Hill ten wins and six losses. Gore played in eleven of those games and SF went eight and three with him and Shaun Hill together. Hill went two and three without Gore.
In the games that Hill did not play, and Gore did over the last three years, the Niners went ten and twenty-one.
Overall, SF went eighteen and twenty-four the last three years with Gore in the lineup.
And finally their full record over the last three years was twenty wins and twenty eight losses.
Personally, this is not a really big sample size to make any hard conclusions, but it is interesting.
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Actually going into camp this year everything was up for grabs besides Staff at number one QB, Shwartz said many times how anyone could jump up and grab the job. Obviously Hill came in, not familiar with any of the players at all let alone the 1st string, and beat out Drew who had clear advantages over him.
I agree that Drew has more potential than Hill. However he currently is lacking in talent, not in my eyes, but in the eyes of the coaches of the Detroit Lions. I accept that because it is what it is. I am not the one here throwing a man love tantrum because DREW is not the number 2 QB. In fact I could care less who is the number 2 QB as long as they get the job done. I am accepting of the facts and actually not particular to either, I just pointed out to all the Drew love man crushers here that he has been given the opportunity several times, and been found to be lacking.
Several coaching staffs have given him a shot. And don’t worry Schwartz has not given up on him but this is a bubble year for him. Schwartz recognizes that he has had some challenges in developing that were not his fault, however he is not anything special enough to break the bank on keeping around as a 3rd stringer.
And thank you for making my point, the 49ers moved him for money reasons not talent, via your own words. The Lions, because they have sucked in the past, are investing in overpaying players to continue to improve as a team. Hill is by no means the only overpaid player on this team. It is the price you pay for being one of the worst franchises for the last 50 years. I would hardly call the 49ers a bad team either, they are consistently much better than us over the past decade and have at least made the playoffs.
Anyways back to the point. The 49ers were not willing to pay his salary for him to be in a backup role, we are. Its that simple. He has been given his chances and not taken advantage of them. He will be given maybe 1 or 2 more shots this year. If he don’t succeed that is on him, no one else. He has had plenty of opportunities.
Texans fans....
are still trying to figure out how Mittens (sorry David Carr) is still in the NFL.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I went back and watched again more closely.
Hill played ok. Not good, some plays were really good and then a few plays were terrible like the sack for the fumble and the poor pass that should of been picked off. The miscues with Gronk… I’m not sure if they were his fault or Gronks. Also overthrowing Bryant Johnson.
Stanton, a few good passes a couple that didn’t look great. The two passes that were batted down back to back where he looked too long at his target. Yet, two runs and one was a great one. I hope we keep him a little longer. I have a feeling that he will get a lot better.
by coolbreeze42 on Aug 24, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
say this about drew
we all love his attitude and how bad he wants to suceed. Talent wise we all disagree in many areas but I will tell you this. I personally like having stanton as the 3rd QB. He is a guy who in an emergenct knows the system but better yet can teach som aspects of that system. Running scout teams and practice drills he is a great QB in that area. Sometimes a guy who is a “bust” or a never was whatever some of you want to call him can still find his nitch in the NFL. Maybe Drews sucess won’t show in wins stats and drives. Maybe drews sucess will come in helping your recivers learn the system and how to run routes comming out of college. Or studying tape to help run a scout team. Thats what a 3rd stringer does thats why he is the emergency quaterback.
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by The Profiler on Aug 22, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
+1 Too
Drew has been given more than a fair shot by Detroit. I don’t agree with him being our back up. Shaun Hill has been successful in the NFL with the 49ers and I have a high level of confidence in him to hold the fort if Staff has to sit. Drew? Not so much.
by NorthLeft12 on Aug 22, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Like to see drew be that guy
I really would but every year it seems less and less likley that he will finally get that “click” you want your prospects to get.
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by The Profiler on Aug 22, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And by the way...
I think Eric King and C.C. Brown SUCK!
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King really struggled...
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by Hyperion Ecta on Aug 22, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Struggled is an understatement
King outright blows. Cut the turd and bring in another body.
by Usmarine0341 on Aug 22, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
REDZONE REDZONE REDZONE!!!
Beautiful drives but only 1TD of 4 by our starters,need to work on that.But hey, a W & everyone came out healthy,gotta love it!
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by Lionz Fowlweatherfan on Aug 22, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
"Drew Stanton Leads Lions Back To Win"
No knock on any of the other QBs we have on our roster and yes, it’s been against 3rd and 2nd stringers. But why does it sound like I’ve heard so many times before and yet this guy still gets buried knee deep on depth chart.
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Because he's never done anything close to that
in any of his regular season opportunities against real NFL players.
The key misnomer in that sentence is "opportunities" (plural)
He had ONE chance in the regular season, and was carted off the field when our offensive line failed to block Takeo Spikes on a blitz.
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He has had more than one chance. It's not exactly anyone but his own fault that he loses the battle for more opportunities every year in camp.
Courtesy of Wiki
Stanton made his NFL debut in a game against the Jacksonville Jaguars (entering in relief of Daunte Culpepper, whom the Lions had signed only days earlier after Orlovsky suffered a thumb injury). He threw a 1-yard touchdown on his first career passing attempt and finished the game having completed 6 of 8 pass attempts for 94 yards.
The 2009 Season began with Stanton as 3rd string QB behind 2009 NFL Draft first overall choice Matthew Stafford and previous starter Daunte Culpepper. With Stafford injured for the Week 6 game against the Green Bay Packers, Stanton relieved Culpepper who was also injured during the game. He threw 2 interceptions in a 0-26 loss for the Lions.6 Stanton appeared again in relief of Culpepper in Week 15 against the Arizona Cardinals. He was 10/19 passing with 1 interception, however he scored on a 1-yard rushing TD on a Draw play – with Arizona winning 24-31. 7 Stanton made his first career start week 16 against the San Francisco 49ers.
That's my point man
1 chance as the starter.
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He got injured
If not for the shoulder injury, he would have continued to start over Dulpecker.
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He’s had a few opportunities but it’s kind of stupid to judge him off of random and desperate last minute plug-ins. Not to mention he finally gets his “real opportunities” when the organization has already made decisions on their franchise QB and he’s sat the bench for nearly two years with only game time experience coming from a few pre-season games and 2nd/3rd team practice runs. Stanton has been getting shafted and has been getting shafted from the first day we drafted him when Martz felt he wasn’t the QB to fit into his system.
And I quote: "Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans" - ralphgoblue
All Lions fans should know by now that the pre-c does not mean jack squat.
Save your wads for wins that matter.
The days of blaming the past are over. Today is happening. Go S. PIOLI and seize the day!
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That pass and catch to Calvin was beautiful…can’t wait to see that combination all season.
by Detroitsportsfan3 on Aug 23, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
I cant wait until it is so common that it is nothing more than another TD
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
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