Projecting a starting roster
by The Profiler on Aug 22, 2010 12:51 PM EDT
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2 Games in the book based on what I have seen so far. The starting team IMO is currently looking like this. No sorry Paul Pratt did not make the cut as the number 1 corner. Keep in mind this is just my opinion and being pre-season next week it could change but I thought it would be a way to open discussion on who has impressed people and what the starting team is expected to look like.
Qb- Stafford (obviously)
RB- Best,Smith,Morris,Brown( Dorsey has done ok but the helmet to helmet hits HAVE to stop.)
WR- CJ,Burrelson,BJ,Derrick Williams,Toone ( Maybe Fowler depending how many wideouts we keep)
TE- Pettigrew, Scheffler, Heller, (gronkowski could make the team just to keep him off practice squad so he dosen't get nabbed up)
LT- Backus
LG-Sims
C- Raiola
RG- Peterman
RT- Cherilus ( though Jansen can easly take the spot I think Schwartz wants the young guy to start)
FB- Felton ( we won't carry two full backs)
DE- Avril, Vanden Bosch
DT Suh, Williams, Hill
MLB- Levy
OLB- Peterson, Follett ( not ready to pull him out just yet.)
S- Delmas, Phillips ( dosen't seem to have any competion right now)
CB- Houston,Bly,Wade,Spivey ( needs to work harder on his cover skills) I also look for Berry, Pratt or Rushing to make the final 53.
Obviously the whole depth chart is harder to predict but a few players that I would like to see more of in the comming weeks include- Caleb Campbell,Isaiaha Ekujiba, Eric Fowler, Landon Johnson, lawrence Jackson ( yet to play), Turk Mcbride,Michael Moore, Derrick Williams ( needs more time as a reciver not a return man),Grounds keeper Willie Young.
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Phillips
I like Phillips alot but I think the coaching staff prefers CC Brown at the “left safety” for now. Phillips has been backing up at Delmas’ spot and to my knowledge hasn’t been practicing on Brown’s side. That may change later as Phillips is developed and moved around
phillips
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=61379&draftyear=2010&genpos=FS
Suh,Williams,Avril,VandenBosch
With the Four Horsemen ride,Or choose your fate and die
by The Profiler on Aug 22, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not that I think Phillips isn’t good enough to be the starter just that I think the coaching staff will start Brown at least in the beginning
Could be wrong but......
I think by the end of preseason, Phillips will be the man. Heart of a beast wanting to prove he should have been drafted. Making the most out of it. Desire & attitude. Much needed commodities in the den.
Expectations don't produce!
From what I have seen...
I definitely prefer Phillips over C.C. Brown….C.C. Brown sucked hard core in the Denver game. He was just terrible, while Phillips looked pretty good to me for the 2nd week in a row.
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3 QB Stafford Hill Stanton
3 TE Pettigrew Scheffler Heller gronk
1 FB Felton
4 RB Best Smith A Brown
5 WR C Johnson Burleson B Johnson Williams Toone
2 LT Backus Fox
2 LG Sims Ramirez
2 C Raiola Gerberry?
1 RG Peterman Gerberry?
2 RT Jansen Cherilus
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2 RE Vanden Bosch low-jack
2 DT Williams Hill
2 DT Suh Cohen?
3 LE Avril McBride Young
2 OLB Peterson Ekejiuba
2 MLB Levy vinny(cant spell last name)
2 OLB Follett Johnson
2 S Delmas C Brown
2 S Phillips Simpson
3 CB Houston Bly Berry
3 CB Spievey Wade Wesley
P Harris
K Hanson
LS Don Muhlbach
There is no way Spievey will start
And I think Lawrence Jackson will be the backup to Avril, seeing as how Avril has been mighty resurgent so far this season.
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Phillips and Delmas for sure
CC Brown is known for getting lost in coverage. He’s a good back up. Phillips just has that “it” that a safety needs to have. We may have found a great undrafted player.
I agree too
I’m (potentially) greatly relieved.
I considered 2 players to be key to our number of wins this year. A greatly improved Stafford (which I expect) could propel us to many more wins, but a bad Left Safety could hold us back by getting burned for big plays and TD’s. I had predicted a record of 6-10 this year, but if Phillips keeps playing well (and starts at Left Safety) and Delmas stays healthy, I’d revise my prediction to 8-8.
"We lost!" Delmas yelled at reporters. "What you want? What you got to ask me?"
Delmas stared at reporters defiantly.
"That’s what I thought,"
2/3 of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.
My keepers, I have a thing for young players. I love to see them succeed.
Eric Fowler….glue for hands.
Wille Young…another lunatic is always good.
Gronkowski over Heller….youth baby!
Phillips of course.
DeDe over Brown.
And see ya Derrick Williams, you’ve shown zero.
by delusional on Aug 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
williams over northcutt
I’ll take Derrick everytime. Williams isn’t gonna be a kick returner but IMHO he looks better as a reciver this year than he did last year. He’s also a Mayhew draft pick doubt he gets cut after one full season that sounds like something millen would do. He has to have time to develop most reciver don’t really click until year 3. I frankly am suprised people are s quick to give up on derrick already. Truth is he dosen’t get much playing time but he has made so good catches here and there. I don’t see him playing much this year either but Northcutt will be gone before Derrick. I like the Gronk probably more than alot of people on here but Heller has great blocking abillitys and gronkowski still has room to improve I think we should carry all for and look to have gronk as the 3rd TE next season.
Suh,Williams,Avril,VandenBosch
With the Four Horsemen ride,Or choose your fate and die
by The Profiler on Aug 22, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah DW looks alot more comfortable in the receiver role this pre-season
I see DW beating out Northcut and BJ.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Northcutt to Oakland
I’ve been reading that rumor for a bit.
I agree D.W. will probably stay, but who’s looked better, Fowler or Williams?
by delusional on Aug 22, 2010 6:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I apoligize before hand but.....
See ya Jason Hansen. Thanks for memories. The boy looked pretty good yesterday, and yes I realize they were playing in Denver.
by delusional on Aug 22, 2010 2:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i was waiting for someone to say that
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
I've been trying to take it easy
I upset a few people over my beliefs on the Hansen subject, so I’m trying…..lol
But if your going to revamp a team look at the whole team.
by delusional on Aug 22, 2010 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So far
I think Randy Phillips and Willie Young have won spots on the roster. But there are some major spots up for grabs. DeDe vs Aaron Brown. DW vs Toone. Gronk vs Heller. Cohen vs Flu. The whole LB corp, not to mention the secondary.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
+1
No hype from Hyperion. You picked exactly the spots I’m watching the rest of preseason, Dude. Just wish we’d stop the not-so-merry-go-round of DBs. Somebody STEP UP these last 2 games!
by LionFanInChiefsLand on Aug 22, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Hype i gotta give a shit ton of +1 on this one.
Phillips and Young have locked themselfs onto the 53 man roster and i like your match-ups. To me Brown and Dorsey have looked better than Morris to be honest i really haven’t seen anything out of Morris this preseason. Kinda pisses me off now that Detroit didn’t trade him for Cromartie and Pacman is salt in the wounds right now to.
I think you gotta add Fowler into the competion w DW and Toone and as much as i like Heller he may have lost his job to Gronk.
i think. . .
Cohen has done a descent job worthy of a backup spot. . .he has had sacks in consecutive games, and has been disruptive. . .he did have an offsides penalty in the first game
At dt tackle the one who played like a girl Andre Sue-ellen gets cut.
goodnight Johnboy
Cohen is the depth guy along with Hill Don’t think we keep 5
I was worried about the two encroachment penalties against the Steelers
but he kept his head in the game and played sufficiantly a good depth guy
Lions will keep an extra TE keep all 4
Willie Young has a roster spot.
I am not worried about the safety position we’re ok there.
Mayhew will pull another rabbit out of his hat before opening day.a stud veteran LB
Good point Wayne...
Maybe they will keep 4 TEs…dumping Fowler and keeping Gronkowski in my post below.,..
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Here is what I think...
QB – Stafford, Hill, Stanton (even though I think Drew should be #2)
RB – Best, Smith, Morris, Brown (See ya DeDe)
WR – CJ, Burleson, BJ, Northcutt, Toone, and maybe Fowler (Derrick Williams is a bust, and i would be shocked if we keep more than 5 WRs, but I’ll say maybe 6)
TE – Pettigrew, Scheffler, Heller (I like what I have seen of Gronko, but I doubt he will beat out Heller for the 3rd spot)
LT – Backus, Fox
LG – Sims, Man Ram
C – Raiola, Gerberry
RG – Peterman (Man Ram will backup both guards)
RT – Cherilus, Jansen (They will flip flop)
FB – Felton
DE – Avril, KVB, McBride, Cohen, Devries, Young
DT – Suh, Williams, Hill, Cohen
MLB – Levy, Ekejiuba, Ciurciu
OLB – Peterson, Follett, Johnson, Campbell
S – Delmas, Phillips, Simpson, Brown
CB – Houston, Wade, Bly, Spievey, Berry, Williams (God I hope they cut Wesley, King, and Pratt)
That makes 53 if we keep 6 WRs…
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Oh crap...
My bad…move Devried out and put Lawrence Jackson in there ahead of Cohen. I completely forgot about him. I think ol Jared’s days are numbered.
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Jared was a great player for us
when we had so few of them to cheer for. I belive your right though deveries will not make the 53.
Suh,Williams,Avril,VandenBosch
With the Four Horsemen ride,Or choose your fate and die
by The Profiler on Aug 22, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
oops...LMAO!
Thanks for pointing that out….<> However, I think Gerberry is the long snapper…
Add in the fact that I think they should keep Hauscha (or whatever) for kickoff duties, and I still need to get rid of 3 players from my list anyway…DOH!
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say rameriez is cut
but we don’t have anyone else but jansen
Suh,Williams,Avril,VandenBosch
With the Four Horsemen ride,Or choose your fate and die
by The Profiler on Aug 22, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok...
So Fowler (or Gronko, depending on which goes first) is out…Jason Hanson is in.
Jack Williams is out…Nick Harris is in.
And I hate to say it because of all of the preseason love he is getting, but maybe Willie Young goes to the practice squad to make room for Hauschka?
You were right…Muhlbach is still the long snapper too…so that means we probably end up cutting one of Aaron Brown, Mo Morris, Tim Toone, and Caleb Campbell too…I would lean toward it being Caleb Campbell or Aaron Brown before Toone, because I doubt we want to run with Aaron Brown as out returner again, and I do not see D Williams making the cut this year.
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I really think it would help Hanson to not need to do kickoffs and FGs...
But I could also see them keeping Willie Young for DE depth, and letting Hauschka walk.
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agree with hanson
keep another big leg for kickoffs. Let the accurate cool under pressure vet take the FG shots.
Suh,Williams,Avril,VandenBosch
With the Four Horsemen ride,Or choose your fate and die
by The Profiler on Aug 22, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Smurf's 53 Man Roster after 2 preseason Games
1. QB Stafford
2. QB Hill
3. QB Stanton
4. RB Best
5. RB Smith
6. RB Morris
7. FB Felton
8. TE Pettigrew
9. TE Scheffler
10. TE Heller
11. TE Gronkowski
12. WR C. Johnson
13. WR Burleson
14. WR B. Johnson
15. WR Fowler
16. WR Williams
17. LT Backus
18. LT Fox
19. LG Sims
20. LG Ramirez
21. C Raiola
22. C Gandy
23. RG Peterman
24. RT Cherilus
25. RT Jansen
26. DT Williams
27. DT Suh
28. DT Hill
29. DT Cohen
30. DE KVB
31. DE Avril
32. DE Jackson
33. DE Young
34. DE McBride
35. DE Fluellen
36. SLB Peterson
37. SLB Follett
38. MLB Levy
39. MLB Ekejiuba
40. WLB Dizon (IR)
40. WLB Campbell
41. WLB Johnson
42. S Delmas
43. S Phillips
44. S Simpson
45. S Brown
46. CB Houston
47. CB Wade
48. CB Bly
49. CB Spievey
50. CB Williams
51. K Hanson (IR)
51. K Hauschka
52. P Harris
53. LS Muhlbach
Practice Squad
1. WR Mike Moore
2. WR Tim Toone
3. TE Richard Dickson
4. OG Trevor Canfield / Roy Shuening
5. C Dan Gerberry
6. DE Chima Ihekwoaba
7. CB Aaron Berry
8. DB Jonathan Hefney
9. DT Callaway
I know I have 6 DE here but I think I would use some of them as a full back or blockign tight end in goal line. I think the bottom depth guys like Cohen, Fluellen, or McBride could all learn the goal line offense for a super heavy set :)
Speaking of that how cool would it be to put Jason Fox and Jon Jansen in as tight ends and Brandon Pettigrew and Gronk in as WR in that goal line set! Maybe we could even put best as the QB and Felton as the HB and one of them big bodies as a FB :)
Gerberry was signed of the practice squad
dont think he can go back.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
i don't think they would. . .
keep Jack Williams over Aaron Berry. . .Berry was having a good camp until he injured his hamstring. . .Jack Williams was on the pup for what seemed like forever. . .but, i am no expert
Fluellen a 6'2" 300+ DE?
think he plays DT—even on running downs.
by x$pcents IV on Aug 23, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I can live with this...
Just not sure about the 6 DE thing. I would drop Fuellen and keep Dorsey.
I would also drop D Williams and keep Fowler.
I wish we could drop Ramirez, but who else are we gonna use in his place? Hilliard?
I am worried about Berry on the practice squad, I think he would be snatched up by someone else just like we lost that tackle last year to Miami. (i forgot his name)
Lydon Murtha.
Yeah we could scratch a DE or two that I have there. Candidates for those spots could be Aaron Brown, DeDe Dorsey, Aaron Berry, and Tim Toone.
My D Chart
QBs: Staff, Hill, Stanton
RB: Best, Smith, and A Brown (No need for Morris…he doesnt fill any roles, and he costs them too much)
WR: CJ, Nate, BJ, D-Will, and Fowler
TE: Grew, Scheff, Heller
FB: Felton
LT: Backus, Fox
LG: Sims
C: Raiola
RG: Peterman
RT: Cherilus, Jansen
Havent watched enough of the second teams to comment on the interior linemen
CB: Houston, Wade, Bly, Spiderman
DE: Avril, KVB, LoJack, Young
DT: Williams, Suh, Hill
WOLB: Follet, Johnson
MLB: Levy, Ejekeiba?
SOLB: Peterson, Vinny Ciriciu
S: Delmas, Philips, Brown, Simpson
The beginning of the end of the misery
+1 on getting rid of Maurice Morris
his salary is more than Aaron Brown, Kevin Smith, and Jerome Felton combined. . .With Javid Best in the lineup, Mo Morris is the #3 RB at best. . .cut him loose
injuries happen
and who cares about how much he makes. We dont sign his checks.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
injuries do happen. . .
and i don’t sign his check, but he makes alot of money for someone who will only see action if someone gets hurt. . .i am sure that the FO see’s this as a business and $ adds up. . .plus, i would say morris has been ok at best. . .he averaged 4.1 yards per carry last year. . .his yards per carry has steadily declined over that last three years. . .he is also 30 years old which tends to be a key age at the running back position. . .look at LT after age 30
http://www.nfl.com/players/mauricemorris/profile?id=MOR472481
$$$ does matter
I’m pretty sure $$ was the biggest reason Hunter was releasing.
The beginning of the end of the misery
by Latif Masud on Aug 23, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
So you would rather have Aaron Brown( who is behind Dorsey when it comes to preseason snaps)
as your back up to: A running that just torn his ACL in December, and to a rookie. But release a prove back because he makes a couple of million more than you think his worth is( in a no salary cap season)?
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
The only stat I need to is this one
51-223-1TD 4.5 ave. Thats Morris’ line for the last three games of the season when he started. You want to see what Aaron Brown’s was? Because he was the back up.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
stat cherry picking. . .
Morris will most likely be in the backup role this season, barring multiple major injuries. . .i don’t care what he did over the course of three games, i care what he did over the course of the entire season. . .i think its important to look at his stats as a backup because that is the role he will most likely fill. . .if we want to look at yards per carry, Morris had several weeks with 5+ carries averaging under 2 yards per carry. . .week 16, as a starter, he had 18 carries for 37 yards with a 2.1 average. . .my point is that this is a business. . .for a third string player that makes more per year than the two players in front of him, and will likely only see significant playing time if there is an injury. . .i say make room on the roster for another position. . .Morris is also 30 this year, and its not like his effort as a starter won us any games. . .
and since you asked. . .
Brown average 4.9 yards per carry over the course of the entire season. . .he also had 0 fumbles to Morris’ 1 fumble. . .and he is young, was a rookie learning the system, and makes peanuts compared to Morris who in my opinion has peaked and is on the decline if you look at his yards per carry over the last three seasons
The battle for the last RB spot is going to be fierce. Here is my take.
Maurice Morris: You know what your getting with him and its pretty solid if not spectacular. It is possible that his salary is a concern, but if that is the case we should cut Julian Peterson immediately. The only negatives on Mo is that he is not a consistent positive yard gainer. He will have a few runs of 2 or no yards before breaking some decent runs. This actually put him in Mayhew’s doghouse last year and could be why he is cut this year.
Aaron Brown: Still has a lot of upside but is horrible at pass blocking. That is the big challenge for every rookie RB though so it is not a huge surprise. It takes him a while to get up to speed, he is not as explosive as his 40 time would lead you to believe. He has to be “wound up” to utilize that speed.
DeDe Dorsey: Shows some play making ability and explosion but at this point he is a veteran in the league and still having issues with pass protect. Even though he had one great preseason game I personally would put him as the first to cut since he has the least common denominator of upside combined with current talent.
Can I see Aaron Brown making the roster over Morris, sure. It is pretty much a coin flip for me. Pass protection made the difference for me but being that he was a draft pick for the current front office he will probably be given the nod over Morris. Personally I would not risk Stafford’s well being for that second chance and that is why he did not make my 53 man roster. Maybe we could trade him to the Texans for a 7th round pick, he did play at TCU after all and they are hurting bad for running backs.
I liked what I saw of him against the Broncos
Good be decent depth.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
by Hyperion Ecta on Aug 23, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
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