I can't stand this any longer

So, infact, does Aaron Brown for that matter.
So, infact, does DeDe Dorsey.

Smith is completely unremarkable as a running back. That isn’t an insult, or even a bad thing. But he’s definitely completely unremarkable.

This anti-kev crap is pissing me off. Sounds like people just need someone to blame watch the game. One fumble but for the most part the down hill runner was converting downs with 4 to 5 yard runs. Blocking well thats what kevin does. He’s never gonna be Maurice Jones drew but he has a job in the offense and ya know what. He is prett damn good at it. I wanted to make a post but I figure I’d come off like a dick so I will just do that in a reply LOL. Fact is Kevin works hard he shows up every day and does his job. Best was drafted to be the play making runnung back. If you hate on kevin for what he does than I personally feel you don’t under stand what his job is. We had morris as are #1 for a brief time last year and he was far from impressive as well. Then again I understand some people will hate for the sake of hating. Zack Follet, Derrik Williams, Kevin Smith, Jason Hansen, Gosder Cherilus there all targets. No player is perfect but when the know there role and do it well then they are a good player. Kevin will never be extravagent…Solid yes and thats all you can ask for….

I was gonna write a post just like this, same points as yours too! Totally agree! Saved me some time!

If he is cut id be shocked. No way he gets cut. NO WAY!!!! Dorsey will be gone way before Smith.

but after two years of watch him get tripped up by arm tackles when running through an open hole is so irritating. Do you ever notice he seems to always be falling forward? Sometimes I think he looks like a kid running around the yard pretending to fly like superman, ya know hunched over with their backs parallel to the ground, arms spread wide.

  I’m not totally hating either, he is a good back up, but I am surprised about all the love he is getting along with a bunch “he just came off injury” excuses. The Kevin I saw today is the same Kevin I saw in every other game he played. What has he done for you lately ever? He is not the future, he is depth, and based on the high hopes I had for him, he is a bust. Kevin Smith will never be more than what he has been, a servicable number 2 running back. Or trade bait for someone who can actually cover somebody.

in fact felton is better than smith

You hate the guy after one poor preseason showing

no i hate the guy for 2 years of poor showing

Best
Felton
Brown
DeDe
MoMo
Smith

NEVER RELEASE OR TRADE DEPTH ON A TEAM THAT HAS NO DEPTH!

WHHHHHYYYYYY?

that would lave if we got rid of K Smooth. Without a doubt the stupidest subject we have had on the POD. You dont get rid of valuable depth at running back.

He is now our #2 back. Why all the fuss over him? He was put in a shitty position his rookie year and did well. He was starting to flash some skills in his second year—longer runs, some moves to make guys miss—and he blew out his knee. Now he is going to see the bench in favor of Best and people are saying he is terrible?

Maybe we should start a thread that says:
“Lets trade away another valuable asset on our team for a 5th rounder watching them get 30 touches a game on the Bears and racking up a 1000 yard season-And if that is not good enough lets just release Morris too because we obviously are anti-depth”

Too long of a title?

Detroit sports fans are the biggest excuse making suckers in the country.
Sports is a cutthroat biz and roster turnover is a given but we want to hang on to every player because they showed a little 2 years before.

If there’s some one better cut him.
I have KS 4th down.

Here is my depth chart and I will explain why below. Best, Felton, Brown, Smith, Morris, Dorsey.

Best: He is a play maker, someone capable of rushing for 2,000 yards some year, or at least getting 2,000 all purpose yards. No one else on this roster has those capabilities IMO. He is electric and hands down a threat any time he touches the ball. He also excells at all portions of the game, not just running but also in receiving and pass protect too.

Felton: This guy is a beast power back and I think the combination of him and Best has just cost Kevin Smith his roster spot. This guy flat out drags guys for 5 yards at times and he is just as good as Smith in passing game and even better in pass protect.

Brown: Though he has had ups and downs he shows promise and occasionally flashes us with a big gain. There is no doubt that he can perform in all aspect of the game except pass protect. He still needs work here but almost every rookie running back struggles with bass protection. I am also pleasantly surprised at his ability to run between the tackles and near the goal line this year.

Smith: Well as unpopular as it might seem it is his time to go, trade him while he still has some value. Some teams like the Texans, Titans, and Chargers are hurting bad for a solid depth guy and we should be able to get a 5th round pick for him if nothing else. Hell even the Patriots might be interested in him. The only weakness I see in his game is lack of enough speed to be an explosion back and lack of enough power to carry tacklers. he is always falling forward and that is a sign of a good running back but I see him as just a 3 yards and pile of dust kind of guy. Solid but nothing special. lets face it this guy was a 3rd round pick (64th overall) and he has performed about up to those levels of a 3rd round pick from the Millen / Marinelli era. I like Kevin on a personal level because he is a hard worker and a stand up kind of guy. I am all right with him making the roster as a 4th running back but I am not sure that the front office wants to pay his kind of money for a situational insurance policy type of running back.

Morris: Though I like Mo I put him about equal to Smith. At his age he is on the decline of his career and he has no power to his game, I also am not a fan of his pass protection. He gets bigger gains on runs than Smith and I think he is a better pure running back, but I do not think he is as rounded in the other parts of his game. Also Smith still has some upside while Morris is clearly on the downhill slide.

Dorsey: Dede is the first one cut IMO. He is a one trick pony in my book and just does not offer enough to take a spot from above mentioned players. He cannot pass protect and has no power to his game either. On top of that I don’t think he is as polished in teh passing game as most of the other backs either. He is not the kind of guy you can line up in the slot like Best or Brown.

To recap, we keep Best and Brown as our big hitter types, speed guys that can basically turn into slot receivers with a formation shift. Keep Felton and Smith for power backs with Felton being the starter and seeing the majority of the snaps until he loses the job or Kevin takes it away from him. Cut Morris and Dorsey, I don’t think anyone would trade for them. One Caveat is that if we can trade Smith we could keep Nordin on the roster. He offers some nice options to be a FB, TE, H-back, or even go into the slot like Best and Brown do. Honestly if we can get a 5th round or better for Kevin Smith I am all for trading him. And yes for the record I was not happy with him before he was injured, before preseason, all the way back to last year.

I don’t like getting into arguments that are not about OUR team, the Lions, but I can’t help myself sometimes.
Yes, it was right after your comment, but I was seriously directing it at the guy above you, because he was being sarcastic and so was I. What I said was taken out of context.

Now, we can get back to debating about K-Smoove for the rest of this post.

P.S. : I know you probably don’t value my opinion too much anymore, but if I could say one thing about your posts/comments, it would be that you may be a little over indulgent and harsh with what you say. I read your post about how you hate Smith and such. But as Motown said, you tend to over generalize some things, and that’s why I disagreed with you as much as I did.
No harm no foul. Keep posting, keep debating. ( About the Lions though)

I’m that way about most sports and players, just not Smith for some reason. I’ve been too passionate about many things before so I know how it is.

And no shit, if you’re half as passionate about anything as your were about Smith than you’ll make some high school players vomit on the practice field.

Are Kevin Smith’s days numbered as a Lion if he’s not good enough to be Jahvid Best’s primary backup at running back?

Smith should be cut. He’s tough and gritty and certainly dedicated in his recovery from major knee surgery last season, but he’s no better than fourth-best running back on the team right now. Maurice Morris is better suited as the No. 2. He has got a little wiggle and he’s a better receiver out of the backfield. But second-year man Aaron Brown is more worthy of being the No. 3 running back because he could also assist special teams and a kick returner.

Coach Jim Schwartz said Saturday was Brown’s most complete game as a running back.

Smith isn’t versatile enough to keep around as a No. 3 back.

If there are any surprise roster cuts coming this week, it wouldn’t surprise if Smith is gone.

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DECISIONS, DECISIONS: The Lions have a difficult decision to make next week when they trim their roster to 53. Kevin Smith and Maurice Morris are competing for spots as backup running backs, but neither does much on special teams. Aaron Brown isn’t as complete a runner, but he had a nice game Saturday with two touchdowns and a big kick return. Fullback Jerome Felton also got a long look at tailback, rushing six times for 37 yards. If the Lions feel comfortable enough with Felton and Brown as Best’s backups, Smith or Morris might not make the cut.

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First, it was “Should we draft Stafford?”, then it was “Who should start – Culpepper or Stafford”, then to a lesser extent we had “Suh vs everyone else, Draft 2010”, and now we have “Is Kevin Smith valuable?”.

I wonder how long this debate will last for? My prediction is not long since we don’t have one of the major pride members (no offence to fellow pride members LionsAreMySpouse and Bighaircut) or a troll keeping the debate raging.

Now for my opinion, I still think Smith is a serviceable running back. I like his ability to catch out of the backfield, and he can still make the tough yards. Morris hasn’t quite consistently done this for me to choose him over Smith.

 LB’s and Safeties will be leaning toward Best losing step in their reaction time those 2 and 3 yard carries from Smith will become 5 and 6 yard carries. Another play he should pick up a nice chunk of yards would be a fake outside run to Best and a backside screen to Smith. If he has a successful season and his trade value increases I would have no problem if he was moved in the off-season.

is giving me a headache.

Most of these comments gave me a headache. (Thanks Det32)

Is that I am sure Schwartz and CO thought about this on draft day. They obviously felt Best was the better running back or they wouldn’t have drafted him. It is unfortunate but Kevin got hurt. But, we weren’t having this discussion last year when he was starting, why, because he got the job done with a crappy line. Next week he probably will have a good game and everyone will be back on the train. He is second string. A damn good second string too when healthy. He just isn’t completely back.

Have you ever gotten injured? Seriously injured? It is more than just coming back. it is fighting with a lot of demons especially when it comes to a situation in which is similar to how you got injured. He will be back but it takes time to heal those scars. I remember my friend and I talking about Kevin jones back two years ago, saying if he got hurt again we have to cut him. If Smith goes down again I say do it. But for now we have good depth.

Kevin Smith played very well. What the hell is everyone talking about? Catched the ball well, got the 1st downs when we needed them. He was not really seeing the blocking that the other guys were getting on most of his carries. He mostly got what he needed in the situations presented to him.

I have decided I will not read any threads or omments about kevin smith unless sean has posted it as news! this whole discussion has become childish name calling, factless arguments and Anger creating more anger this is far from what the POD is suppose to be about. Hate him I don’t care fact is I don’t care if He is T.O if he is on YOUR team you should rooting for him. everyone needs to step back cool off and re-read there comments again after they do. Its quite insane. The internet is for a free exhange of opinions and ideas the problem is everyone has them.

for a 6th round pick and move on

The last time things got this heated was Stafford vs Culpepper last season, and I must say I am happy to have survived that one.

They forget how many games our league worst pass defense let get out of control, so that RB touches were limited.

They forget how many times drives stalled not because of Smith, but because one of the lame-o WR’s still on the team without notice dropped balls or failed to run correct routes.

They fail to realize that without Morris’s ONE long run, his per-carry average is 3.5.

Or that Felton’s per carry average is 3.1.

And how Smith was #3 on the team in catches and yards last year, despite missing three games with an injury.

And you guys wanna give up on him? If you guys were GM’s, you would be JP Riccardi.

Honestly, I can’t believe some of the regulars on here don’t like Smith. He is absolutely perfect for his role. He is a cheap back, who is young, can block and catch, and is a solid enough of a runner that he can fill the void of a feature back whenever he needs to.

I think its a really dumb idea to look at the YPC and decide whether or not he is a good back. Look at Matt Forte’s YPC, its not good either, but he still gets tons of touches in the Chicago offense because of how multi-dimensional he is. Also, we can’t forget that we have had terrible offensive lines the past few years, not to mention a dead passing game that didn’t help out the run.

Best is going to have a great season, but it won’t just be because Jahvid Best is a special talent. It will be because he will line up behind a much improved offensive line, and take handoffs from a quarterback that league is going to fear. No to mention, having a TE in Brandon Pettigrew blocking and receivers like Nate Burleson and Calvin Johnson taking attention away from the running game.

Jamie Dukes and Marshal Faulk predicted the Lions to be the surprise team of the NFC North. Dukes said that the Lions would win 2 divisional games this year. I agree with him too! Both against the Bears :) Faulk went on to say that this is the first season since Barry Left that he has actually seen good players fighting for roster spots on the Lions. He immediately followed that up by jumping into the running back situation here. Now when Marshall Faulk talked about running backs I listen. The three names he mentioned, you guessed it Best, Smith, Brown. He said that Smith has his work cut out for him to earn playing time and both he and Dukes were impressed with Aaron Brown.

After listening to this, and doing a write up where I was thinking about the Eagles and Redskins, which lead me to thinking about McNabb and how much of a mistake that will be for Philly this year I have been forced to rethink some things.

First of all do we want to be viewed like the Eagles fans? A bunch of ungrateful bung holes that run a good player out of town just because of emotion? I know I don’t want to be viewed that way so I had to rethink some things and I am now taking a more cautious approach. I still stick by my guns with Best and Brown, I like both of them over Smith. However I got to thinking about Felton.

Why is he out there on kick offs? Why is he being tried out at tailback? I hardly see him at fullback anymore. Could Felton be the guy that loses his job to Nordin? Or Could Felton be the guy that gets traded? I know a lot of teams really like him as a power runner besides the Lions. In all actuality his trade value is probably higher than Smiths right now. Do we even need a full back in this offense? If so how come Matt Clapp didn’t make the roster? I have to do some soul searching on Felton now and I am not completely sold. Either way the Lions go I am all right with it. I actually think keepign 4 backs is the way to go. Best, Brown, and Smith at halfback and Felton as the Fullback, power runner, and project. I could see the rushing snaps going something like this Best 15+ and all the rest 5ish.

Any way you cut it though I would bet cash that Morris and Dorsey are the guys cut. If smith does decent this year you might see them trade him later on and resign Morris. In fact you might see them play smith a lot before week 6 trading deadline if they want to get his value up before trading him. But I don’t think he is going to get cut. Traded maybe, but I will be surprised if he is cut.

Sure the guy doesn’t have breakaway speed but he does all the little things like blitz pick-ups and he is a pretty good receiver out of the backfield. To people that say he should be cut are way out of line.

NEXT

thats why the pats have kept a 3rd dow rec RB who does nothing else for a decade. And darren sprolles does so well at 185 lbs running between the tackles. Saftey valve guys keep your QB alive on blitzes. and they convert plays when the defense has every rec covered. this is just retarded.