Kevin Smith
by Lionsfan8 on Aug 29, 2010 1:57 PM EDT
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PrintStill trying to see where the hatred is coming from. All of a sudden after last nights game or even during the game a couple of fans on here decided to start the "I HATE KEVIN SMITH CLUB" and a few more jumped the band wagon. Now im not here to to argue whether he is a valuable back-up or not. I am just going to post a Poll to see Pride Of Detroit's view of Kevin Smith. Let the voting begin and try to keep the hatred down a notch.
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I'll see your 'He's a great #2 option' and raise you...
…he’s a great #1 option. Best and him are going to SHARE the backfield folks. Whether you like it or not, get used to it. Best and Smith are 1 and 1a
I agree with det32 here.
KSmith is okay as a #2, but I sincerely doubt he gets anywhere near the touches that Best does. And I sincerely hope he does not. I see it 60/40 for Best.
Nate
Smith is not going to share the backfield with Best.
When you have a stallion and a pony, which one do you take to the races?
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
Agreed
And they should be pretty damn successful. Just couldn’t bring myself to vote for “love the guy”, because quite frankly I don’t feel that strongly about him. Like him? Yes. Love him? Ehh… I don’t know about that. But let’s just say by the end of the season I’m betting he’s recaptured the favor of all of these haters.
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! STOP IT!!!!! AAAAAAARGH!!!!! NOT ANOTHER ONE!!!!!
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by JazzyBBP on Aug 29, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Next move trade for Jarrad Page
by DetroitLions 4 life on Aug 29, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I’ll vote he’s a great #2 but I think we just need to leave the topic alone. Kevin Smith could be the reason everyone hates everyone if this keeps up.
Suh,Williams,Avril,VandenBosch
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by The Profiler on Aug 29, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
AAARR......hey, that's my line!
Well at least this one has a poll attached.
Can someone copy one of the previous three threads onto this one and save us all some time?
Sean, are you going to post a news story about Kevin’s future in Detroit? Say no……..please.
kevin smith is soild if you cant see that
then you don’t know football this discussion is so dumb, this is the least of our WORRYS
SO cause most the hater r new stop being bandwagons cause the team is finally showing something so you like thgem now and how about u sit back an watch and learn.
bitch about the cb promblem
Next move trade for Jarrad Page
by DetroitLions 4 life on Aug 29, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions
Hee hee
you meant to type “solid” but instead you typed “soild”.
hee hee… soiled. He must’ve pooped himself.
by RobertPorcher on Aug 29, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd just love to see everyone
buy into a Best/Smith tandem….much like the Brandon Jacobs/Ahmad Bradshaw or D. Williams/J. Stewart tandems. I think they could be that good together. Smith is a good player, and he’s shown it. He has a different skill set from Best. Best is quicker…can avoid tackles better…but Smith is nobody we should want to get rid of right now. There are much worse players at RB than him.
USE THE SCHWARTZ!!!
lol....
You forgot to mention what K Smith brings to the ‘tandem’…. All I see from your post is Best peddling like a madman with ksmith drinking gatorade in the back seat.
Did Kevin Smith Kill some dogs after the game
I’ve never seen POD turn on a player so quick!!!!!!!!!! WTF
everybody needs to chill out
No kidding
He fumbled. It happens. No need to crucify the guy.
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its him not being able to brack a tackle..
its him just not having that spunk
its him not being able to contribute to any other parts of the game
its him being a one trick pony (at receiving)
All I have to say I don't remember anybody bitching about Smith this bad till
he fumbled yesterday???? funny
dude
he is coming of a feakin knee injury and its only preseason. give him a break
The beginning of the end of the misery
OMG... so he had a injure.. let me tell you something
THATS NOT OUR PRUBLEM!!!!!!!!!!
do you really want to cut some one who is healther for a guy that my never be??
actually....
An obvious upgrade was needed after last year…. I mean come’on, 4 plays over 20 yds…. sheesh!
Tell you what, instead of telling us what a bunch of ‘haters’ we are… why don’t you sell us some K Smooth… seems it should be easy for you…. just show us his value, unique traits, and why we can’t live without him.
yep thats all he is.. is avg
the top 32 backs avg for this preseasen added up is 169.1 / that by 32 and you get 5.2 (smith is at 2yards)
the top 32 backs avg for 2009 added up is 130.5 / that by 32 and you get 4.0 (smith was at 3.4)
the top 32 backs avg for 2008 added up is 131.1 / that by 32 and you get 4.0 (smith was at 4.1)
he is avg.. and that dosnt cut it
You want to dump KSmith because of what he has done this preseason only?
So, 2008 and 2009 don’t count?
no i want to let him go for what he has done the hole time he has benn here,,
2009 was below avg.. 2008 was .1 yards abouve avg..
i dont want a avg back i want a good back
+1...see Det32
Average is fine with at lot of these guys. Their happy.
Detroit sportsfans are the sweetest fans around. That’s why Damon didn’t want to leave. No pressure to perform.
by delusional on Aug 29, 2010 4:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and there you have it
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
NO, you have it all wrong. Us Lions fans want All Pro players at every position.
Every football team that has ever won anything only has superstars at every position of the team. Having a BACK UP RB who would be considered as a below average #1 RB is not acceptable to this group. We are also fans of the mighty Wolverine and Spartan football teams who have blue chippers at every position too.
I apologize in advance, but the above is sarcasm.
RB is not a position where average is acceptable unlike other positions.
No position, other than QB, touches the ball as much.
We all know this. So, no. Having an unspectacular back up is not acceptable. Considering he is now clearly being placed in the role as a change of pace back. A role he is not suited to play because he just does not have the size to be a punishing back to Bests speed back.
I love the guys heart and drive, I just think the team has evolved past his skill set.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
i see it completely the other way around
The pats went 16-0 with a bunch of unspectacular backs. Neither the Colts nor the Saints had backs that are all that great, yet they both went to the superbowl. You don’t need a good back to have a good running game. Denver under Shanahan had no names rush for a 1000 yards all the time. The running game is far more dependant on good blocking up front then it is on who carries the ball.
The beginning of the end of the misery
They really haven't
They still keep Maroney around. Same with Faulk and Sammy Morris, and that Ben Jarvis Green Ellis guy. It just seems like they turn over their back field b/c they added Fred Taylor
The beginning of the end of the misery
by Latif Masud on Aug 29, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The only one I think has been there long term and has been a big impact has been Faulk.
That could just be because he is the third down back though and tends to make the flashy plays. Maroney is the one big time in their dog house. If he gets cut I hope the Lions give him a look. They have sold all their backs on one cut and up this year but that don’t work with Maroney. He just cant stop jumping around, its kind of ingrained into him to be a jitterbug.
Maybe that is part of the problem with Kevin. I can tell you I see a difference in their backs that are going one cut and up field. Maybe Kevin needs to stop looking for the perfect hole and just blast some in there. Hit the hole fast, hard, and with confidence, and keep them legs chopping. But yeah I don’t expect Maroney to last in New England if something better comes along.
Player Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 23 59 2.6 6 1
Sammy Morris 11 64 5.8 20 1
Fred Taylor 11 54 4.9 28 1
Chris Taylor 8 39 4.9 8 0
Laurence Maroney 8 30 3.8 13 2
New England is also ranked 22nd in the league in rushing so far this preseason with only 91.0 yards per game. To help put that in perspective we are ranked 6th with 128.0 yards per game.
The point latif is making is that they still kept the other two guys.
Whether they had a big impact or not.
Please stop quoting preseason stats. They are nearly as meaningless as the wins and losses in those games.
I swear..if you want to take this team
To another level, tough decisions to good people will have to be made.
This is where it starts, at stacked positions. Were not used to that fact.
by delusional on Aug 29, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess I leave this one up to the coach
I’d put 50 bucks that Smith will be on the roster and getting carries along with Best…. Is that gonna make Jim a bad coach….. agree to disagree and wait and see
I'll tell you what...
TE is another spot. I’m going to hate to see Heller kept over Gronkowski.
We’ve been seriously loaded in spots.
by delusional on Aug 29, 2010 4:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey, why don't we trade Pettigrew?
He has been less than impressive in the preseason, we have some other good TEs behind him, and the guy is coming off a knee injury.
Well unlike Smith, Grew was on pace to beat a HoF tight ends rookie record, our very own CHarlie Sanders.
Sorry Smith had an all right rookie season but nowhere near what say Adrian Peterson did. Pettigrew > Smith. The people proposing trades and cuts for Smith are all people that adamantly believe he is 3rd, 4th, or 5th on our depth chart in terms of Talent. If his injury is playing into that or not I don’t know. I do know that once a running back has a knee injury they are very likely to decline rather than improve. I have just seen it happen too many times.
Name 3 RB's in history that did what AP did
as a rookie. Yet if our rookie RB doesn’t do that, he’s an average bum that doesn’t deserve a roster spot?
Are you gonna hold Best to the same standards, and call for his head, when he doesn’t rush for 1,800 yards as a rookie?
by toled0lions on Aug 29, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Eric Dickerson, Edgerrin James, Clinton Portis, Billy Sims, Fred Taylor, Curtis Martin, Curt Warner, Barry Sanders, George Rogers, Mike Anderson
There is 10 for you, I just tripled your request +1.
AP only had i believe about just over 1300 in his rookie season
it was his 2nd year he hit the 1700 mark
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Those points got sidetracked
My point was that Pettigrew is greater value than Smith and that a RB usually declines after a knee injury. Toledo countered with the AP thing I don’t know why. Mainly I was thinking of Artose Pinner and Kevin Jones and that is why I am skeptical that Kevin will ever be anywhere near as good as he was pre-injury. I have just seen it too many times where a running back loses something when his knee gets blown out. So my point is that Smith in his rookie year in my mind is probably better than anything he will be in the future.
Unlike smith
We have not seen what he have with Pettigrew. Completely different situation.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
And we really have not seen everything Smith has either
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
I wish I could believe that.
I love the guy’s heart and courage.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
He is 23 years old
and was injuried most of last season.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
yup, the injuries did start to pile up on him
Before that, he looked frankly, slower than he did in his rookie season.
I just don’t think he is big enough to be the type of runner he is, if that makes sense. Jerome bettis mentality and skill set but in a smaller body. (yes i understand that is an extreme example but you get my point)
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
And that is fine
but what is the alterative? What has Brown really proved yet? This time last season. We were arguing that maybe Stanton should start over Stafford because of his pre-season performance. There is a reason why the coaching staff has Smith ahead of Brown on the depth chart. IMO a healthy Smith is better than Brown, DeDe, and Morris. Next season, well that could be a whole other discussion. But right now, for this season. I like Smith as our #2.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
yes they were.
Sit Staff a season. Let him learn. And give Stanton a shot. He has earned it. Something to that effect.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
lol i belive i was 100% for staff by this point
i know we had alot of c-pep guys.. just dont rember the drew guys
There were a lot of Drew guys.
because he had a great pre-season last year.
by toled0lions on Aug 29, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yes we have RB come out by there 4th week(ones that are starting right away at least)
smith has hit his peek
I think you all know my vote..lol
Trade him. He has some value. Maybe not much value, but a late round pick surely.
I dont care what everyone says
Stafford needs top start over Stanton. This kid is going to be a franchise quarterback someday. He needs to get all the snaps in real NFL action that he can
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
fixed
I dont care what everyone says Brown needs the spot over Smith. This kid is going to be a very good back someday. He needs to get all the snaps in real NFL action that he can
LOL...not bad I'll give you that
Well we only have to wait a few days until the final cuts are made. Than we will see.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Why isn't there an option...
To stop discussing it when there is already 12 posts about it discussed to death. POD is gonna go to hell if someone doesn’t stop the madness! :P
If you are pondering, "What am I supposed to do" think the EXACT OPPOSITE thing as Matt Millen is thinking.
All these EMOTIONS....
I’ll repeat my post in another thread….
“Hate?”
Please don’t mix ‘hate’ with reality.
… and ‘feelings’ have nothing to do with making the team.
Would you really want a coach or GM to keep a guy on the roster because they "feel bad" that he isn’t up to par after an injury???
IF THAT is the case… K Smith needs to be put on the PUP so they can keep Aaron Brown or Mo Morris on the roster.
You can’t have feelings in player evaluations. From what I have seen so far in the preseason games…. we need to gain in other positions and are expendable in the RB position, which lead me to the trade proposition.
I didn’t vote as none of the answers provided a factual explanation to why or why not K Smith should or should not be on the team…. they’re just a bunch of “FEELINGS” on the situation.
Drop the feelings, enter the facts….
Fact is, the Lions have 2 number 2 RBs on the roster.
Fact is, The Lions need depth at the LB and CB position.
Fact is, there are many teams in need of RB Depth
Considering these things, who’s to go? The younger ‘upside’ RB that is coming off injury… or the Veteran RB that’s rolling into the twilight years?
As a GM, I’d be shopping. That’s all I’m saying.
It comes down to value
I think if K Smith got traded tomorrow for a CB who had value and not just a body then most people would love it or hate it. It comes down to TRUST OF THE COACHING STAFF. We are all “brilliant” coaches in our heads aren’t we? What happened when people said don’t draft Stafford and he came back and won the other Browns game? People started to understand the value of SCOUTING! Just give up being Schwartz in your head and let the man do his job. If he cuts him or trades him then they know what they are doing. AND I can’t count any other times I had this much faith in the coaching staff/GM before.
If you are pondering, "What am I supposed to do" think the EXACT OPPOSITE thing as Matt Millen is thinking.
by LionsGuy4Ever on Aug 29, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saying if we trade him for value then everyone will be fine with it. Or get over it quickly. We just gotta trust the front office! I guess I said it weird sorry.
If you are pondering, "What am I supposed to do" think the EXACT OPPOSITE thing as Matt Millen is thinking.
by LionsGuy4Ever on Aug 29, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep Him
I think we need to limit Best’s carries. I am in favor of keeping Brown and Morris. Along with Felton I would think K Smith would be expendible. The problem is we can’t get anything for him and we will definitely need him should Best go down. Another area is blocking, I know Brown and Morris can’t block and I don’t know if Best can. For me it comes down to De De or Smith and in that scenario I say De De is gone.
How about some other news
WR Coles and Bryant have been released!!!!! You give Bryant 8 million then release him….WTF…. That’s a Millen move to me…
From what I have read Jordan Shipley has really looked good for the Bengals.
Bryant had some injury issues. Link: http://www.cincyjungle.com/2010/8/29/1657065/bengals-terminate-antonio-bryants
No room for Antonio.
Actually...
I was just about to…lol… with this heading…
WHAT DOES K SMITH BRING TO THE DETROIT LIONS?
Please keep feelings out of it… just the facts, ma’am.
OK so I wish Id have seen this part before I started another k smith thread
kinda loses the oomph when people call the joke youre making…..
The will to win is important, but the will to prepare is vital.
Joe Paterno
more respect
the D shows more respect when brown and Dede are in then they do with smith..
more speed JS and co have been very clear they want to build around the guys we have… specifically CJ and staff.. speed back compliment them more..
both Dede and brown can play ST
and felton every time he has the ball something good happens
Not last year.
Felton had some opportunities inside the five with T. Smith as a lead blocker. Results? Zero TDs.
He looks great as a surprise RB, but when the defence knew he was coming, they stuffed him.
I suppose you would blame the poor O line, but that might undercut your argument against KSmith.
Nice dodge... SMOOTH LOVA...lol ;p...
Best- Elusive speed back, great burst and full speed cut, home run threat…added special teams/return
K Smith- good hands, good blocking
Mo Morris- Good hands, Good career yds/carry, veteran leadership… added special teams contributor
Aaron Brown- Good hands, SPEED… Added special teams contributor/return man
De De Dorsey- young raw, shifty speedy back… added special teams contributor
Stats
Season Team G Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Rec Yds
2008-09 Detroit 16 238 976 61.0 4.1 8 39 286
Season Team G Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Rec Yds TD
2009-10 Detroit 13 217 747 57.4 3.4 4 41 415 1
G Rush Yds Y/G Avg. TD Rec Rec Yds TD
29 455 1723 59.4 3.8 12 80 701 1
This guy is our back-up. I will not complain.
That is what is amazing
Things were to incredibly terrible for the Lions, that a player averaging 4.1 yards a carry his rookie year was the next coming. We were so desperate to find something good. Any real fan remembers how this happened every year.
Smith is what he is, a north and south runner with limited cutting skills who is undersized to play a power back role. He seemingly has no fear and is an incredible worker.
If he stays on the roster, i am not going to complain. I can assure you of this, his replacement will come in next years draft. The NFL is a running back by committee league.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
he's definitely serves a purpose...
But he should also get ready to be a journey man, like Morris.
Hell… just take a look at Chester taylor….
I'm not sure where you got that information, but I don't recall anyone thinking that he was going to be an All Pro or anything close to that.
I recall people on this site thinking he could be an every down back who could rush for around 1100 yards [70 yards per game], catch 40 to 50 passes and block. That did not seem to be ridiculous to me.
Is that settling? With all our other holes, I think people wanted to believe that we were up to average at one spot in the lineup.
agreed
Thats all he has to be now a guy to take some carries away from Best keeping him healthy… I support the 2 back system and think we could have one now…
I like Smith
If we end up trading him, I’m sure we will get good value. I suspect we would trade Morris first maybe even throw in
Dorsey.
Things you should know about Kevin Smith
- Kevin Smith gave your dad cancer
- Kevin Smith was the reason you were late for work
- Kevin Smith is the reason your wife’s pregant even though you have not had sex for 3 months
- Kevin Smith beats small woodland creatures
- Kevin Smith is the reason why you don’t have a job
- Kevin Smith is the reason why steve got the promotion and not you
- Kevin Smith gave you gas at the big meeting with your boss
- Kevin Smith made you gain that extra 5 pounds
- Kevin Smith drank your last beer
- Kevin Smith really was the one who hired Matt Millen
- Kevin Smith created AIDS
- Kevin Smith gave you your 1st ciggerette
- Kevin Smith spikes the coffee at AA meetings
- Kevin Smith ran over your dog or cat
- Kevin Smith is the reason your parents got divorced
- Kevin Smith pops ballons at children hospitals
- Kevin Smith cons old people out of there money over the phone
- Kevin Smith ships jobs over seas
- Kevin Smith was the one who foreclosed on your home
These are all reason we should hate Kevin Smith and trade him out of Detroit
by msivits on Aug 29, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I think that is the point.
If you are pondering, "What am I supposed to do" think the EXACT OPPOSITE thing as Matt Millen is thinking.
by LionsGuy4Ever on Aug 29, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people are hating on him like he actually did those things
That’s why I lol’d hard and recced it
Voted love the guy...
Basically it was his first game back since knee surgery where he handled the load. As much as everyone wants to trade him i don’t think we can get much for him at this time. I think it is no surprise that Smith goes down on first contact he has done that his whole career in Detroit. He has lost some speed and his value on the team has dipped w/ the rise of Brown and Dorsey who do the same shit Smith does but are both faster.
K Smooth is falling out of favor w the home crowd but he has some dedicated fans in Motown. I think it will be interesting to see what happens down the stretch could there be a place for him on the 53 man roster is out of are hands all we can do is watch.
Good Luck K Smooth….
Smitty, Brown and Smith are as different as night and day.
Brown is fast, Smith not so much. Smith can slash inside, Brown cannot has not. Smith can pass block, Brown can get run over. They both seem to be good pass receivers, although I would give KSmith the edge because he catches the ball everywhere on the field.
by NorthLeft12 on Aug 30, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Smith only has one up on Brown and thats pass protection...
okay two, experience. I like Smith and i would hate to see him go, but i would also hate to see the back corp take a step back by keeping someone that wasn’t worth it.
Brown caught alot of heat last year and still to date but has stepped his game up alot… could he slash inside, w time yes could he pass block, w time yes. He is still learning the position which in all honesty is sad but has took a gaint step forward from last year. The reason i say sad is b/c rb is the easiest position to adjust to coming from college to pro.
this is why you know what you have with RB sooner then another postion
we will know by week 4 if best will live up to the hype..
He was more of a slot receiver in his offense in college than a RB, he had like 81 reeptiosn or something in one year.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/561281
If you read that you understand that Brown was always going to take time to develop. He was a 6th round pick you don’t usually find immediate impact players that late in the draft. I would agree though that he is a very different player from Kevin Smith. I think he is ideal to be a 3rd on depth chart, change of pace back and kick returner. I do not think he is really cut out to be a platoon type of back though. I do think Felton is ideal for that. He is a perfect change of pace back to compliment Best. Kevin Smith nor Morice Morris nor DeDe Dorsey are much of a change of anything either. IMO all they are is slower, weaker, not as powerful when you compare them to either Best or Felton. That being said I think Kevin is the most worth keeping around in case anything happens to Best. We would take a severe hit if he had to start over best but he can carry the load if needed. Morris though I like him has no upside at all whatsoever and though I wish we would have traded him to San Diego I didn’t want Cromartie. I see Cromoartie take plays off and see him give up on tackles because he don’t want to get his weak ass hurt. He wont last on the Jets either, just a band-aid for them while Wilson develops and Revis gets paid.
How about
we all stop bitching about something that’s out of our hands anyways and see how Smith plays this season? I know, actually waiting to see how a guy plays in his new role before jumping to conclusions is crazy talk, but maybe we could actually do that for once.
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