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The SNS W2E Follow-up

I figured that a follow-up on my post each week could be relevant, so I have decided to start doing a follow-up to discuss my picks, and see how everyone feels after the fact.  In review, my key player picks were Shaun Hill on offense, and DeAndre Levy on defense.  I also mentioned that if Levy left the game, that Turk McBride and Zack Follett would be secondary keys to a Lion victory this week.  As we all know, the Lions lost 35-32 after what looked like a promising chance at a late comeback.  All in all, the Lions played surprisingly well, but just for discussion's sake, let's review what I said yesterday, after the jump.

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First of all, I said that Shaun Hill had to pass for over 60% completions for the Lions to even have a chance in this game.  That statement was not wholly true, as the Lions DID have a very good chance to win this game.  However, I have read several opinions stating that the Lion's receivers are not doing their jobs, and that was the reason that Hill was not passing for >60% completions.  I have to disagree.  I watched both games, and I witnessed several passes attempted by Shaun Hill, in both games, that were way off target, behind, high, or into coverage.  Hill was 25 for 45 in this game (55.5%), and I only saw a few dropped passes.  At best, 15 of Hill's incomplete passes were all on him, and 2 of them were intercepted.  Sure he passed for 335 yards and 2 TDs, but take away Jahvid Best's 154 yards and 9 receptions, and Hill is 16 for 36 (44.4%) for 181 yards and 1 TD (to CJ).  Jahvid Best was out of this world good this week, and STILL it was not good enough for the Lions to win.  Why?

The reason, in my opinion, is that Shaun Hill was so inaccurate when he wasn't dinking and dunking to Best, that the Lions were 1 dimensional on offense.  The whole offense WAS Jahvid Best, and as soon as the Eagles figured that out (at some point in the 2nd QTR) they ran off 28 unanswered points.  Hill seemed to bounce back when his back was to the wall and it was time to play hurry-up in the 4th QTR, but it was too little too late.  I believe that I was correct in my reasoning that Hill would prove to be the key player to a win or a loss for the Lions this week, and I can only wonder what could have been had he not thrown 2 INTS, and had he passed for >60% completions.  Maybe we would have still lost, but maybe we would have won too.  I believe if Matt Stafford had been under center, we would have beaten the Eagles this week, and that is a very good thing in respect to the progress that our team has obviously made.

Secondly, I said that DeAndre Levy would be the key to a Lion victory for our defense.  I was under the impression that he would play when I wrote my post, but apparently the coaches wanted to hold him out a bit longer, erring on the side of caution.  As such, Landon Johnson started and played the entire game at MLB.  My main concern was stopping Mike Vick from running wild on us, and our defense did a very good job in that regard during this game.  Vick ran for only 37 yards against the Lions this week, and I give the credit to our entire D-line and to our OLBs for that.  I said that Landon Johnson would have to play a stellar game to stop Vick, if Levy did not play, and he only recorded 1 tackle.  I do not think he did a good job of holding his ground in the middle of the field, as LeSean McCoy had 3 rushing TDs and 120 yards rushing.  That said, he did help to contain Vick, even if it was just by being on the field.

I also said that Turk McBride and Zach Follett would have to step up in a big way in order for the Lions to win this week.  McBride played a very good game, often getting to Michael Vick and putting a good amount of pressure on him throughout the game.  He had 1 tackle, 1 sack, and he forced Vick to fumble, so I think he was very good in relief of Cliff Avril.  Zack Follett made just 2 tackles, and I am not so sure that he played well enough to warrant mention, other than the fact that his 2 tackles were good ones.  Unfortunately, Michael Vick showed that he CAN be a very good passer in this league, as he went 21-34 (61.7%) for 284 yards and 2 TDs.  Some might argue that our weak secondary was the reason for his success, but I would argue that he was very accurate with his throws, patient with his reads, and very effective overall.  In my opinion, what Vick did for the Eagles today is exactly what should be expected of a backup QB...he was efficient and he got the job done.

In the end, I have to give some credit to the Eagles defense against the pass as well.  Not all of the incompletions by Hill were due to inaccuracy, but rather the Eagles secondary made some good plays on the ball, to swat the ball away from our receivers and break up passes.  I also have to give credit to LeSean McCoy, DeSean Jackson, and Mike Vick...as those 3 players were the reason that Philadelphia was able to come away with a win today.  Without our starting MLB, McCoy was able to have a field day.  If Levy had played, and played well, then maybe he would have prevented at least 1 of McCoy's TDs...and the Lions could have won the game.  It is apparent that our defensive backfield is our weakness on defense though, and when we can't stop the run or the pass it will be difficult to win any game.  I do believe we WILL win some games this year, but we have to be able to shut down the run first.

In conclusion, I feel that my key picks were pretty good.  I believe the Lions would have won had Shaun Hill passed for over 60% completions, or if the defense had been able to stop the run.  Levy did not play, but the fact that LeSean McCoy ran 3 TDs up the middle clearly shows that our MLB did not get the job done.  If Landon Johnson HAD been able to get the job done (stopping at least 1 rushing TD of McCoy's 3) he would have proven to be key to a Lion victory (as we would have won the game).  I also believe that the Lions would have won handily if both of my key players had played to the levels that I believed were needed, but in hindsight I think we may have won the game if just one or the other had played up to my expectations.  Put another one in the books ladies and gentlemen, but do not lose heart.  The Lions will win games this year, and it is only a matter of time.  GO LIONS!

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What I like about Follett is that he might not be as athletic as Ernie Sims...

But we are not exactly losing because of him… He is aware of his responsibility and does a good job at it. I think with Levy returning to MLB it will help shore up the LBs. Follett made a good pass break up deep in his zone coverage. He also started sniffing out screens. Its easier to watch him than it is to watch Ernie over run plays and blow coverages.

by Gyorick on Sep 19, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Shaun Hill to the bench!

Hill has no arm and a slow, slow release. Stanton should start next week (if he knows the Offense) if Stafford is still out. McBride should start until Avril is healthy. Backus needs to be benched if not traded (to Dallas, ha ha). Resign Jon Jansen. With these changes we will be………..

by VegasLion on Sep 19, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

yep bench Hill .......

because Stanton has so much experience and has won real games …. oh wait he hasn’t

by spicymchaggis on Sep 19, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding

Hey I love stanton…as the 3rd QB he has no buisness being in there right now. How people can still call for him over hill is mind boggling. Its not like drews arm is any bigger. Hill is the starter guys you don’t have to like it but thats just how its gonna be.

GET WELL SOON MATT! We need ya man

by The Profiler on Sep 19, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

With those changes you will be screwed.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Sep 23, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the optimism KDawg

I really truly beleive that we need Staff not only for his cannon arm but his leadership and passion on the field. Our biggest problem seems like we don’t know how to win. Someone out there has to take charge and LEAD this team to a Victory – that’s what Staff can do for us.

The Lions just seem to be a more confident bunch when Staff is out there – like they beleive they can win (PS: CJ might want to take up some of this role)

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by NYCLionsfan on Sep 19, 2010 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Disagree about Levy

The only thing Levy has shown me is inconsistency and inability to stay healthy. I want to see that kid get on the field for a stretch and make some plays before I’ll ever believe he can be a gamer on this defense.

by Nate D. on Sep 19, 2010 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

What are you disagreeing about Nate?

All I said is that if he played, his performance would turn out to be key, one way or the other, to a Lions win or a Lion loss. I believe that our middle linebacker was a key player in the loss, as LeSean McCoy ran for 3 rushing TDs up the middle. Since Landon Johnson did not stop any of those runs, he could be considered a key to the loss. If he (or Levy) had stopped one of those runs, then he could have been considered a key to victory. I’m not sure what you are disagreeing about, since I did not say that Levy was the best MLB ever, or anything remotely close to that…

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by KDawg on Sep 20, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

How bout Zack

think he is really starting to come along. Like I said you just have to be patient he will come along. Baptisim by fire it is paying off. Learn from game time and mistakes.

GET WELL SOON MATT! We need ya man

by The Profiler on Sep 19, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

And you get blown up over the middle by slot recievers while he’s learning too. I think Follett needs to be a role player still… He isn’t making plays at all, and he’s a liability in coverage. Work him in, and give Johnson or Palmer a shot.

by Nate D. on Sep 19, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd disagree with that, and even if you can somehow show me that

That isn’t saying a lot. JP is a really good veteran, but he’s a DE/LB really. He just happens to be adequate in pass coverage. Follett has shown some improvement, and it’s only two games in, but when you start looking at tape and realizing he has neither the physical nor mental capacity to cover these guys (at this point, anyways) then you need to get someone else in there and try to stop the bleeding.

by Nate D. on Sep 19, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

its just like a qb

U need him to get game time and the game will start to slow down for him and he will be able tlo play faster he is a seventh rd pick and playing decent enough and u want to throw him out

by Gyorick on Sep 19, 2010 11:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I CAN NOT WAIT

to see the lions kick minnesotas ass next week. What time is that game??

by Staleystan595455 on Sep 19, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Same time

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by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 19, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you were pretty spot on

One thing we didn’t do which could’ve made the difference was capatilize on Vick’s mistakes. We missed at least 2 sacks on him, as well as 2 dropped picks. If we make those, different ball game.

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by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 19, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

+1 Hyper

There were 2 sacks that, if made, would have forced punts. the 2nd Int didn’t matter but the first one would have made a huge difference.

someone tell these linemen and DB’s to tackle the legs!!! God that annoys me when they go up high.

ALSO – as a leader Raiola that was a terrible penalty.

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by NYCLionsfan on Sep 19, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well the good news is that

the Lions wont face another QB with Vicks elusiveness. Vick was able to extend the play numberous times, by moving around in the pocket.

if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin

by JCruize on Sep 19, 2010 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Right JCruize

The Lions defensive line could’ve had like 10 sacks had Vick not find a way to extend the play after play after play. Vick did very well, though I thought the Lions could’ve won had Stafford been out there.

From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!

by DLions4Eva on Sep 19, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Retract: Benching Shaun Hill

After watching the game for a second time. I fully retract my statement on benching Hill. Although he does have a slow release he did have a good game. (not so much the final series)
We do need to learn how to close-out the half on Defense.(maybe as a team)
Bears 10 points before half.
Eagles 14 points before half.

My bad Shaun, let my emotions get the best of me.

by VegasLion on Sep 19, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

i put part of the blame on Scheffler for the 1st pick

he didn’t even try to make a play on that ball. he needed to get up and swat the down. CJ sort of ran away from it too. with CJ and Scheffler sitting there, that ball should not get picked.

Hill needs to get more zip on the short balls—remember that one he looped over Best? now i understand why Stafford throws those short passes with zip. gives them more time to make a play.

by x$pcents IV on Sep 19, 2010 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

That pick had multiple culprits...

It was hill’s fault first. If you watch the play, Scheffler was wide open in the seam 3 seconds earlier, but Hill threw it late.

Secondly, CJ HAD to run the wrong route, as he ran the extra CB and safety right into the play.

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by footstock on Sep 20, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was supposed to be the same play that they ran for Calvins touchdown later in the game

I think Scheffler actually ran the wrong route. I think he was supposed to run his rout more underneath to force the safety to bite up on him. It was probably designed to be a longer play than where they ran it from and rather than adjusting his route I think Scheffler ran it as normal, meaning he was about 10 yards too deep and actually ran the Safety right into where they didn’t want him to be.

Who really knows what went wrong there, but based on Hills reaction it seemed like someone ran the wrong route and it had to either be Schef or Calvin.

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by Evilsmurf on Sep 20, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hill said it was intended for Scheffler

in the postgame interview. The detroit news has his quotes posted at detnews.com

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by footstock on Sep 20, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would definately put the fault on

A) Scheffler for not going up and getting the ball against a rookie safety
B) Calvin for running coverage right into the area

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by Evilsmurf on Sep 20, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

And hill for throwing it late...

it’s ok smurf…you can say it…"footstock, you were rig _ _ ". It’s ok, don’t be embarrassed. lol.

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by footstock on Sep 20, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey footsock you were right, are you smiling now? ;)

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by Evilsmurf on Sep 20, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even th announcers recognized the fact that the ball was thrown late

If Hill had thrown that ball just a bit sooner, Scheffler would have caught the ball in space, and it wouldn’t matter what Calvin Johnson did at that point.

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by KDawg on Sep 20, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank goodness for the edit button on Fanposts

I didn’t proofread my post before…I had said that Hill was 25 for 25 passing, and that the Lions had lost 34-31….I made the appropriate changes (25 for 45 passing and 35-32) so that the post now reads correct.

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by KDawg on Sep 20, 2010 8:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Good stuff.

Hell, if Hill had 58%…lol

That pick in the 1st drive was amatuer. Why would you chuck it in the endzone, when you can hit him 10yds out with just a safety to beat? The throw was late, ugly, and ended up being a turn over.

BTW, MVP… T-Rock calling the game…lol… His comments make the game better.

by CLF on Sep 20, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marty Morn-Hen-Weg

What a Dumas….

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by KDawg on Sep 21, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does seem ,

that the problem seems to be half time adjustments and those final two minutes of the 1st half the Lions seem to fall apart. I totally understand what the OP was saying but I’d have to say that the “commitment” just doesnt seem to be there after the half, and it comes in spurts but just enough to keep us close and that there’s still a strong lack on “consistency” when it does show.

Since your post was based off numerical values though your correct in the Hill winning or losing the game for us. As for the rest it seems that these receivers just are not playing up to par or potential, so either its them, the play calling getting confused or just bad play calling in general right now.

This is something I don’t understand especially in the Eagles game, the lead was blown right before the half, and the Lions did nothing to get momentum back until it was already too late. The past two games have been lost off of intangibles and things that cant be shown through a stat or on paper other than through how effective it might have worked. But really this came down to lack of consistency (Hill’s passing, receiving routes) and commitment (to many "missed plays tends to be the story every game)

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by JaiGaiaAries on Sep 23, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

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