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The Monday Morning Microscope: Week 2 - Our "Best" Couldn’t Get Us Over The "Hill"

DETROIT - SEPTEMBER 19:  Jahvid Best #44 of the Detroit Lions scores on a 75 yard pass from Shaun Hill #14 during the second quarter of the game against the Philadelphia Eagles at Ford Field on September 19 2010 in Detroit Michigan.  (Photo by Leon Halip/Getty Images)

Disclaimer:  Once again, I'm posting this the night before due to scheduling conflicts.  This may turn into a regular deal as Monday mornings have turned into chronic nightmares for me.  Maybe I re-name this column The Sunday Night Soiree?  It's got a ring to it...

I've been under the weather for the last few days, so I had a rough time getting up for the game this morning (both literally and figuratively).  These beautiful fall conditions love to wreak havoc on my sinuses.  But like the trooper that I am, I gave it my best try to get into the game-watching mood by pumping myself with three hours of NFL Gameday, five cups of Sumatra-blend Starbucks coffee, hitting about fifty golf balls in the backyard (I love my new Callaway Diablo driver, by the way) and then finishing up by throwing the football around with my son for a half hour or so.  Yet when I sat down to watch the game, I was still not in my characteristic "game form".  It wasn't until my pre-game ritual was complete that I realized that I was still feeling the effects of the emotional drain from the week before.  It was that full depletion of passion coupled with knowing that Stafford was not playing, that spoiled my mood somewhat.  I felt like I was watching a game that didn't matter... subconsciously, of course.  I knew full well what a win could do for the team, but it still felt like a preseason game until the team took the field.  Two minutes into it and that old familiar feeling came back again and I eased into game mode.  But much to my dismay, as the closing seconds of the game came and went, another old familiar feeling came back... losing a close game.        

So I guess that the 2010 Lions are the newest incarnation of the Cardiac Cats, hey?  The only difference being that the Lions are getting us psyched for a last minute win only to come up short.  I know that two games does not a trend make, but I think this is what we fans should get used to for this year - close, competitive games that they still don't have the overall talent to win.  As I sit here today, I'm not really sure if I'm supposed to be über-disappointed or slightly encouraged by another spirited effort that fell short?  We really had every chance at being 2-0 right now; we just couldn't get it done for a number of different reasons.  At times, the Lions look like the squad we have become accustomed to watching - one that is lacking in both discipline and self-assurance.  But only moments later, we see the flashes of what could be with this team. 

Star-divide

The only thing consistent about the Lions over the years has been inconsistency.  Once again, we watched a game that was plagued with it.  Both offensively and defensively, the Lions were hit and miss with their execution.  This can be especially frustrating offensively because of all the weapons.  To watch Jahvid Best tear through holes in the defense one series and then get stuffed for consecutive losses in the next is a recipe for absolute frustration for the fan.  I'm no Nostradamus, but I think we can expect to see a lot more of this as the season progresses... especially without Stafford.    

I'm not one for entertaining a lot of past-tense hypotheticals, but I can't help but wonder what could have been if Kolb had started in the place of Vick?  I thought our defense got good pressure on him all game, but there were so many times where he was able to spin out of a sack or just flat out make an unbelievably athletic play to keep drives going.  That was my concern all week with Vick starting.  I think Kolb would have taken a lot more hits and sacks and probably been forced into several turnovers/mistakes.  But again, we can't really get into the game of what-ifs.  To his credit, I thought Vick played a great game... as a quarterback.  I know that McCoy had a great game as well, but the Eagles won by the arm of Vick today.  He showed poise and good accuracy, even under pressure.  My guess is that there is soon to be a quarterback controversy in Philadelphia... especially as fickle as the Eagle fans can be.

 

Thoughts on the Game:

  • Shaun Hill was horribly inconsistent today. I think that he missed too many open routes and forced far too many passes into heavy coverage. What I do like about Hill though is that he's confident and not afraid to take chances down the field. He just has to learn when to do that and when to simply take what the defense gives him. I saw many times where the underneath route was open and Hill was trying to force it to the wide receiver downfield (see the last four plays of the game). He has to get better with his decision making. I think that he lost this game as much as he kept us in it... if that makes any sense. But going forward, Hill does give us a chance, unlike Culpepper serving in the same capacity last year. Right now, the big difference I see between Hill and Stafford is the overall understanding of the offense. Stafford seems to know where everyone is supposed to be and knows where to go after he sees what the defense is giving him. Hill seems to be less sure of anything beyond his first or second read. Maybe it's because he didn't have a lot of time today, but he looked hesitant of where to go too many times.
  • Can you say Jahvid Best, offensive rookie of the year? I shudder to think what today's game would have looked like without Best in the offense. He is a dynamic player that adds to the offense on so many levels. Although it's hard to argue against his production, I still don't think he was used properly throughout the entire game today. With the fits he was giving the defense, he should have been able to take much more pressure off the wide receivers, which they didn't seem to be able to do. I think the playcalling was better today, but it still wasn't great. They needed to be able to either take advantage of Best by actually getting him the ball every play or making the defense pay by forcing them to focus more attention his way. With Best having such a great game, Calvin Johnson should have reaped the benefits much more than he did.
  • Speaking of Calvin... is he going to start playing before the fourth quarter in games this year? I don't know what it is, but I just don't see the passion from him. I want to take Ndamukong Suh's attitude and put it into Calvin's head. With the physical attributes Johnson has, he should be dominating... and he's not. We saw a little fire at the end of both games from him, but we need that all game long. This guy should be catching 8-12 passes per game. There is no reason at all that he shouldn't be. If he's not careful and doesn't start producing, he's going to start to flirt with that "overrated" label.
  • Welcome back, Brandon Pettigrew! What a nice game he had today. I think people were starting to forget the reason he was drafted. He can be a game-changing tight end from both a blocking and pass-catching standpoint and today he forced the defense to either pay attention to him or just simply pay. I know the offense has been sketchy at best, but I think at least individually, guys like Best and Pettigrew (and Scheffler last week) have shown that we have some significant talent and when it comes together, it's going to be something pretty damn special. Get well soon, Matt Stafford!
  • I think that the offensive line played much better overall against Chicago. Granted, I believe that the Eagles defensive line is quite underrated, but Hill had little time all day and there was scarce daylight up the middle for Best. The offense seemed to move better when they spread out and forced the defense to play the entire field. Once we settled into an I-formation or other base formation, the defense was able to just crash forward and get sufficient penetration. Where I felt that the offensive line excelled today was with the sweeps to the outside where the guards did an excellent job of quickly pulling and sealing the blocks on the edge.  But... I'm convinced now more than ever that this is always going to be an average group.  I just think that they key is going to be for Linehan to call plays that allow the line to play to their strengths.
  • The defensive line was impressive again today. They are showing good depth as well. I thought once again Turk McBride played well and so did Lawrence Jackson, which was a beautiful thing to see. When Mayhew hits home-runs on guys like Jackson and Alphonso Smith - which at this point, it seems he has - it helps create that much needed depth that we haven't had in a long time. Suh and Vanden Bosch were their normal disruptive, energetic selves and I expect no less in the coming weeks.
  • After two weeks, I think it's safe to say that this secondary is better than last year's version, but when given time, the opposing quarterback will find holes. This game was a tough one to read from a defensive perspective, because of Vick. He makes plays that few other athletes and quarterbacks can make. The defense did a decent job of holding containment until it appears the play has broken down, but that's where Vick really hurts you. I stopped counting how many times Vick converted a third and long purely because of improvisation. Is that the fault of the defense? Yes, but it certainly makes it much more difficult when you have a guy that significantly extends plays with his feet. So like I said, this is difficult game for judging the defensive play.

 

In a new section of Monday Morning Microscope, I'm going to give be giving out three awards each week.  I will give out two game balls, one to an offensive player and one to a defensive player.  I will also give out an award for the Goat of the Game.  This will be the player that did his best to give away the game or hurt the team the most.  So without further adieu....

Offensive Game Ball:

Jahvid Best - Running Back

Okay, this one was very easy.  Jahvid having a good game helps us on a multitude of levels.  First, it finally gives opposing defensive coordinators another person to game-plan against other than Calvin.  They may plan to shut down Best, but will they then be able to silence Johnson and Pettigrew and Scheffler and Burleson?  Not likely.  We just need Hill et al to be able to take advantage of the extra coverage Best will receive in the coming weeks.  I do have to say that Pettigrew was a semi-close second for this award.

Defensive Game Ball:

Ndamukong Suh - Defensive Tackle

It was down to Suh and Delmas for me, but I just thought that Suh was disruptive the entire game.  In both the Bears game and this game, I really watched Suh a lot.  I can't begin to express how impressed I am with this kid.  Not only does he get doubled on every play, but he beats that double-team on nearly every play.  It just depends on how quickly the quarterback gets rid of the football.  It's not about if Suh "can" get to him.  He "will" get there on every play if given the time.  He is relentless.  In my humble opinion, we are looking at the greatest defensive player of the next decade or more.

 

Goat of the Game:

Shaun Hill - Quarterback

While Hill did some things right, he did more wrong.  He had two horrible interceptions thrown into double and triple coverage and forced many more.  I just saw so many plays where I was screaming at the television because a guy was either open underneath or in the flats or down a seam and instead, Hill was staring down a receiver on the outside and then sailing the ball ten yards out of bounds.  Hill's a good back-up and I'm glad he's a Lion, but he needs to get better at  learning who is going to be where and then taking what the defense gives.  If Hill can clean up his game, we have a great shot at knocking the snot out of an out-of-sync Vikings team that is ripe for another upset.

In Conclusion...

I feel like I should be more upset about today's loss.  Maybe it's because I spent all last week feeling like the season was already over.  I think I've psyched myself into already conceding the season.  I hope not, because I think there is still time to salvage something.  The Packers are for real, but the Vikings are unraveling and the Bears are pretenders.  The majority of the NFC is in flux.  Teams that were supposed to be the contenders are struggling and after two weeks of NFL football, there are few teams on our schedule where I just feel we have no shot at winning.  I think we will be competitive in every game.  We have enough talent to be dangerous, but not enough to always seal the deal.  That dynamic should create a recipe for some interesting games. 

For me, that's meeting the expectations I set for this team before the season began.  I wanted to see steady progress on both sides of the ball, competitiveness in all games and an increase in the win column.  I think we'll see all those things happen, just maybe not at the pace we had hoped.  But I'll say this and everyone can take it with a grain of salt... had Stafford not gotten hurt, we'd be 2-0 heading into a key matchup with a weakened and already wearied Vikings team.

 Busts out his best country voice...

 "I try not to think about what might've been... ‘cause that was then and we have taken different roads.  We can't go back again... there's no use giving in.  And there's no way to know... what might've been."

 Wipes tear from his eye...

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I know in my heart Stafford wont play next Sunday

But shit, how many close games are we going to lose with him being out…

by msivits on Sep 19, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I know right.

With Stafford under center, that Bears game and that Eagles game would’ve been won.

Dammit Sackus.

by Doc Scratch on Sep 19, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone have a link to Vick's

comments on our defense being better? I was just interested in the context.

USE THE SCHWARTZ!!!

by Twon82 on Sep 19, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

This eagles team was a playoff team last year and the lions came a few plays away from winning, even without guys like stafford, burleson, avril, and levy. I wish best would have been targeted more on screens and swing passes. Once the eagles started dialing up the disguise blitzes, the running lanes were destroyed.

In past years, I would ironically trash talk my eagles fan friends leading up to the game and after about a quarter, I would be trying to laugh off the sting of getting destroyed. Today, the margin of victory was razor thin and it was refreshing to see out of the lions.

MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."

Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.

by telemakhos on Sep 19, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

best had 9 catches

and almost 20 carries. do you want him to be a player we use for the next 7 yearsor do you want to beat the iggles that bad?

I have a 9" personality

by Waitingfortheroar on Sep 20, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, 3 to 5 more catches is going to destroy 6.5 years of his career. Try and exaggerate a little more next time. When he’s one of the only offensive contributors and you’re trying to slow down the rush, a few more catches is certainly justified.

MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."

Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.

by telemakhos on Sep 20, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hang tight Drew.

We are watching a Team that is Learning How To Win. I am greatly more enthused about the potential of this team.

The NFL Season is 17 weeks long, teams have gone 0-2, only to go on to win the SuperBowl. I see Sparkles of Brilliance in this Team, and more specifically the Defense. We just aren’t quite clicking yet. But we also are not getting blown out, with 21 point deficits in the first half.

It’s a work in progress, but man, when this team finally starts Purring. Like a New Ford GT Mustang….. You better look out!

GO LIONS!!!!!

by j16941 on Sep 19, 2010 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

that is exactly what i see

i feel like the koolaid just got another cup of sugar added to it

by perfectlions on Sep 20, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are kidding

If this happened, if that didn’t happen then maybe they might have won? A team learning how to win? Are you kidding me?

This is PROFESSIONAL sports. These guys should know how to play ball. They have been rebuilding for 57 years!

The only thing more pathetic than this team are your delusions that they really don’t stink.

by Homercidal Maniac on Sep 19, 2010 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

No, I'm not kidding...

Everyone on the field is a PROFESSIONAL, In the NFL, you don’t win them all.

What is delusional is the fact that you blame the length of the rebuilding process on the current FO and HC. That has nothing to do with the current regime.

The Team has shown marked Improvement over last year, (look at the score of the first 2 games last season). And if you don’t see a Improvement in talent, you are BLIND.

Also, I take your screen name as a personal threat on my life.

(ok, I was kidding about the last part)

by j16941 on Sep 20, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

perfectly stated.

by sp83 on Sep 20, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention we had some decent years in the Wayne Fonts era

that 57 years stuff is bullshit, he we did win one playoff game at least

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 20, 2010 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing more pathetic than that is...

some lonely loser taking the time to join another team’s blog site just to tell others how pathetic he thinks they are. Look in the mirror. We both know who is more pathetic… don’t we? There’s help out there for you I’m sure. PTA… Pathetic Trolls Anonymous.

by DrewsLions on Sep 20, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 20, 2010 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

LoL nice Jazzy, I am going to have to rec this!

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 20, 2010 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol...

RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 20, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goat of the game

Idk if I would have Hill as the goat of the game because he played well at times and almost led them to a comeback win. I think I would put secondary besides Delmas as the goat even though with vick imporvizing they had to cover for a long time but still to many big plays. I no they lost but at least it isnt a blowout which makes the loses easier to handle. Next week against minnesota is huge because favre and the receivers havent been playing well so if they can keep it that way they have a chance to win.

by David7 on Sep 19, 2010 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

"Almost" led them to a win?

He chucked four consecutive passes downfield instead of picking up some underneath yards that were there. They only needed a field goal. He threw two horrible interceptions into loads of coverage. There were big stretches of time where he didn’t do a whole lot as well. I agree, it wasn’t all bad. But I contend that the Lions almost won “in spite” of Hill’s play for the most part.

by DrewsLions on Sep 20, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel

that the secondary is better than the numbers suggest… I can’t count how many times the big yardage plays were us setting in zones. The longer a play goes the more likely a WR is to find a “soft spot” in a zone defense.. Was it just me or were they avoiding throwing against Chris Houston? Of course besides the one push off TD pass against him with the biggest no call offensive pass inference i’ve seen in a long time. The lack of Levy is really starting to show… there were to many runs up the middle that he would have been there to stop. Even if we aren’t winning, what i like is that we aren’t giving up!

by BenderCU on Sep 20, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

as the smoke clears

I love the lions but I can’t take the heartache anymore!its damn shame that detroits stefen petterman is the lowest paid on the offensive line and clearly outperformed his counterparts! I allready hear it FIRE BACKUS, FIRE BACKUS, don’t worry millen you are no longer the laughing stock of detroit.

by devinb on Sep 20, 2010 1:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I love you Drew

Wait… did I just make things awkward?

Anyways, it’s telling that both the defensive and offensive game balls go to rookies, both positively and negatively. It’s good that they’re having an immediate impact, but it’s usually not so good when your rookies look like the best players on the team.

And in regards to the secondary, eh… I don’t know. They’ve definitely been more physical then last year, but I’m not seeing much of an improvement in coverage. Still, they’re young, and they should look much more polished and cohesive by the time the season’s come to an end.

Overall, another fantastic read.

by motown313 on Sep 20, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

The thing about

the secondary is that their tackles too often consist of running into the guy and hitting him then falling down while the guy keeps running. What happened to using your hands and arms to actually wrap up the runner and take him down with you? Huge hits aren’t as impressive as simple tackles when the guy keeps running.

by OregonEmigrant on Sep 20, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 - 32

 The morale in detroit is on empty and to be honest I don’t sEe it getting any better! SHaun Hill sucks if stanton is not starting next week ,just shows how incompetent our coaching staff is ! I mean hill layed an egg it was that bad!FOrd if u don’t want the team anymore just sell it to LA but the losing has to stop fast and I do mean fast. I see why Barry walked away from the lions . Its not fair to stafford ,suh ,and cj If I was them I would demand a trade its not worth tarnishing their legacys as football gods for this so called lions football team! Sorry ya but I love my lions but I’m so sick of the fucking letdown every game I just can’t do it anymore! 2- 32 cmon now

by devinb on Sep 20, 2010 1:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

for real, speak yourself.

morale’s not empty. Mine’s higher than it’s been in years. The lions are getting better, and were competitve yesterday missing several key players and losing a starting WR in the opening minutes. The difference is clear.

I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J

by Skylar on Sep 20, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with Skylar, I am higher about this team than I have been in years.

I would question the logic of some of your comments devinb if they made any effing sense. Please go back in your room and cry into your pillow. Another dumbass who cares more about seeing his favourite play rather than the Lions do better.

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 20, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know what happened to Best after his 3rd TD?

He seemed slow to get up, and just sorta talked off the field, as opposed to running off.

Guess it wasn’t anything big, but just wondering if anyone knew.

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by BearStage on Sep 20, 2010 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Still some players away

As much as we need O line help, we need a better LB corp. I know they’re still young and learning, but both these games really were decided by LB play. Both Forte TDs were LBs fault. McCoy running over us was LB fault. Positive note, it sure is better to be in games in the 4th quarter than not having to watch past halftime.

by jeremy j on Sep 20, 2010 4:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Some Thoughts, in large part I agree with what you are saying, especially the get ready for this all season long

Jahvid Best: I think they would have used him more but he seemed to be struggling with some sort of nagging injury. I seen him walking awkwardly several times after he made big plays. I think they went away from him to try and avoid making it worse. We even seen Morris and Brown in there getting some snaps. I think he just toughed it out and gave it his all because others were not getting the results the team needed. That makes his performance that much more impressive.

Calvin Johnson: I don’t know what is up here but I agree he should be getting open more often. I also do not know why we are not moving him around in our offense more and finding ways to create mismatches to get him open.

Defensive Secondary: I like what I see from Wade and Delmas (of course), so far Alphonso Smith looks good, and Nathan Vasher seems to be a competent backup. Chris Houston I would like to see more from though. I am not terribly disappointed with him, but I also do not see him as anything I am excited about either when it comes to ball skills. C. C. Brown is a real mixed bag for me. I love him as a backup and run support guy, but the guy has obvious coverage issues. I really think that Randy Phillips must still be banged up, because he should be in there getting the snaps and experience. I am also curious to see how the season pans out for Amari Spievey and see what kind of role he might perform for us down the road.

Goat of the Game / Shaun Hill: While I agree with the basics of what your saying I think the underlying thing your missing is how horrible and inconsistent the offensive line played. Especially on that last drive when our back up was playing banged up because of their ineptitude. I really think had he not gotten rocked, or had we time outs left to let him regroup after getting his clock cleaned, he would have performed better there. If our line does not start to protect we will be seeing Stanton play soon. So my goat would go to them, because a lot of his problem throws were under extreme duress. I also give them a big fail for not getting enough push on a smaller defensive line to gain 1 yard, twice. And they also suck in general at getting out in space on screens and sometimes at opening up any run lanes at all.

I think you could also consider C. C. Brown as a goat for getting torched by Jackson. Except I actually blame the coaches for that one. There is no way they should have him covering Jackson. So that one is on Gun.

The only other player I consider goat-worthy is Landon Johnson. It was pretty clear today why he is a career backup. He got pushed around today in the middle and is the biggest reason McCoy ran all over us. Granted that Gun had our defensive line, or maybe it was KVB that made that adjustment, but someone had a bad scheme there and that left Johnson taking on one of their offensive linemen. Our linebackers in general are a huge concern for me. Probably because we have depth guys starting it makes it worse.

Going forward this season it seems obvious to me that we need a better LT and C. We could really use a shutdown corner that can cover the fast deep threats. And of course we need line backer help. I would also love to have one more viable receiving threat. I just don’t see Scheffler, Burlson, and others getting enough production, and everybody cant be doubled so it has to either be scheme, effort, or lack of ability to get open.

But anyways I agree, expect more ups and downs, I think a lot of the inconsistencies center around the offensive line on the offensive side of the ball. For the defense it is obviously the back seven that need help / work / upgrading. And just being able to narrow down this teams needs to only two sentences speaks volumes about the improvement that has been achieved.

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 20, 2010 4:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for all the comments, Smurf

And I agree with most of them. I did fail to mention Best’s toe injury, which makes his game yesterday all the more great.

As for the offensive line, yeah… they weren’t very good. Hill was pressured most of the game and that definitely attributed to his sketchy play. But my problem with Hill wasn’t about toughness or collapsing pockets… it was about his decision making when he had time. Like I said in my post above, I was screaming at the TV because there were guys wide open and he would instead try to force something down the field. It was like he had his hot read and then didn’t really know where anyone else was beyond that. He simply wasn’t taking what the defense was giving him.

It was the last four downs that really sealed the deal with Hill being the Goat, though. He had options underneath. Watch those downs again. I’m not sure why he felt so pressured to get big yardage on first and second down? He had plenty of time on the clock and still had a timeout. Yeah, he got pressure on three of four of those downs, but he should have identified the pressure and got it to either Best or Pettigrew quickly… who were open on at least two of those plays. You can’t win like that. The way our offense was moving by getting the ball to Best, there is no way they should have not looked his way on those final downs. It was a huge mistake and it cost us a shot at a win.

by DrewsLions on Sep 20, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

The missed check downs to Grew and Best I cannot disagree with

I think what makes it harder to swallow is that Hill is supposed to be a “smart game manager” and those would have been “smart game management throws”. It is clear that he is inconsistent and though an all right backup quarterback, certainly not the best in the league. Michael Vick is clearly the best backup in the league. But then I would bet he is starting next year. As someone mentioned, Minnesota would be a great fit for Vick and I would totally hate seeing him twice a year. To make matters worse he would make AP all that much better too.

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 20, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's two games in and the Lions are what we thought they were.

A team that has been overhauled [50% turnover in roster from last year] and is struggling to find their identity. Between the youth and inexperience, and the unfamiliarity of these players with each other, consistent, high level play would be difficult to achieve……RIGHT AWAY!

We are two games in and people are freaking out over a loss on a bad call and a comeback that fell a final drive short. This team has flashed a lot of big play ability on offence and defence, but at that same time still gives up the big/negative play too many times.

Personally this game, and the first in retrospect, have encouraged me. We lost to a petty damn good Eagles team. Not great, but potentially a playoff team. Yes, we are at home, and yes we do need to win these games, but I saw some good progress Sunday. Especially in the team spirit. This team scraps, and claws, and fights to the last. That is the kind of team I want, and I think will eventually be successful.

My confidence on the direction of this team and the season went up.

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 20, 2010 6:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Thats where my thoughts are right now

the old Lions would’ve rolled over and gotten smashed. This team doesn’t quit and thats probably the most important aspect in playing this game.
I don’t believe in moral victories and think they’re a crock, but I do see improvement in key areas.
Next weeks game against a reeling Minnesota team is very winnable

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by JazzyBBP on Sep 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

A favorite quote my grandfather use to repeat to me all the time

Close only counts in Horse shoes and hand grenades.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Sep 20, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Close also counts in entertainment :)

Which is what football is. This team is far more entertaining to watch than teams of past.

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by Evilsmurf on Sep 20, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what close gets me as a Lions fan?

More pain. I know getting closer is a part of the process but I can say this with absolutely no uncertainty. Watching these two games has been more painful than any loss last season.

I am to the point where close is not good enough for ME any more. I want a GD MF win.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Sep 20, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't understand some of you guys.

Do any of you remember the 2008 disaster? Those games were mostly over by halftime. I had a great looking lawn, garden, and house in the fall of 2008 because I stopped listening or watching the Lions by half time, sometimes by mid second quarter, because the games were mostly over. I came close to giving up the Lions and the NFL because of that year. And some people actually think it is worse to be close and lose a heartbreaker? I would have killed to lose a close game in 2008. It did not happen too often [Minnesota twice, Indy, and…………?].

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 20, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh by the way, good write up [as usual] Drew.

Tough to pick Hill as goat of the week. I agree with your reasoning, but he hung tough and made some very good plays against an Eagles defence that was coming for him all out. I think he made enough plays to offset his mistakes…….at least so that he would not be goat of the week.

My single worst play of the day was the missed sack by Leonard Jackson near the end of the first half. KVB had just gone out with an injury and Jackson came in for a few plays. He was left unblocked and had a clear shot at Vick. Vick did not go down and I believe he scrambled for 12 yards to the five. If Jackson makes that sack, it is third and seventeen at the twenty-four. Could have saved four points and a lot of momentum.

For the record, I thought Hill’s decision making was terrible at times. The INT on the first drive, we needed to get some points on that first drive, and his final four throws were not very good. He must get better. He looked so good on the drive previous that I was pretty confident that the Lions would at least get a field goal. Wha-happened?

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 20, 2010 7:29 AM EDT reply actions  

The missed sack was more about Vick than Jackson, though

That’s what you get with Vick. Just when you think you have him sacked or contained, he makes some freakish athletic move to buy more time. I don’t really put that one on Jackson so much.

I picked Hill as the Goat because of the overall impact he had on the outcome. He makes better decisions, we win… that’s the bottom line. Jackson makes a sack or C.C. Brown makes a tackle and it still doesn’t undo two turnovers and four failed attempts to win the game. I agree that he hung in there and all that… he’s a tough guy… but I saw a lot of Kitna in him. You know… big heart, but prone to forcing things and losing games.

by DrewsLions on Sep 20, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

AHHHHHHHHHHH......the kiss of death.

Kitna = Hill = Total Fail

I was never a Kitna fan besides him being a stopgap until we had the guts to draft a real QB. I will not deny his intensity or some of the results he achieved, but to me he is a back up QB, no more, no less. Ditto for Hill.

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 20, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on Week 2

Damn. Mick Vick is sick. Did you see the play when he got hit and still had the strength to complete a pass for a first down?!! If Kolb had played we may have gotten 10 sacks And I mean that. All game long Vick was running, moving the pocket because Suh and Co. kept collapsing it. But he has the ability to do that. Next week, however…we get Old Man Winter, who is playing on an ankle that is suspect, and in an offense that is out of sync. Our front four is scandalous. Suh has been getting double teamed every play since he has been a pro. From the door they knew! Look at the pressure we got on Vick— Jackson came free, KVB was his usual high motor self, McBride has been unreal. We didn’t even have Avril. If only our back seven were not two players deep. Lets be honest. Peterson and Delmas are the only two in our back seven that would start for a winning NFL team. Adalius Thomas is out there. I know he wants to play for a winner, but as the season drags on…maybe he’s got something left in the tank, what have we got to lose? He’s got to be better than Landon Johnson or Ashlee Palmer! And when are we gonna stop getting linebackers with girl names? We already got rid of Paris. Now we got Landon and Ashlee? Get us a shut down corner and a skilled linebacker and we will be a playoff team (with Stafford healthy).

Now to be a winning playoff team, we need to address the obvious. Jeff Backus can no longer play tackle in the NFL. If he wishes to continue his career, he may need to consider moving inside to guard. He has been playing on one knee for years and it has always limited his mobility. Speed rushers generally wreak havoc on the old warrior, and Peppers destroyed him on a number of occasions, as did the Eagles undersized unit. Stafford gave him the vote of confidence to keep morale high (signs of being a leader), but he knows in his heart that he can’t survive with Backus as his blind side. Dominic Raiola is just too damned small to play center in this league. Most of these DT’s are going 315 and up. Raiola weighs less than 295. Most of the D-lineman are tall 6’2, 6’3…Raiola is a smurf. He has heart, and he battles, he always gives effort, he’s passionate, and he gets blown up by linebackers. He spends the majority of plays on his backside. That is not good for your center. And Cherilus? OMG!!! First round pick on third round talent. Our best two lineman are Sims and Peterman. I hope Pete is okay, he got shook up on one of those plays. Glad Pettigrew is finally showing why we drafted him. The recievers are so-so without Burleson out there. And where is Cal Johnson? I see Andre Johnson and Donald Driver and DeSean Jackson beat their double coverage. Is he never open? Anquan Boldin gets doubled. And when they play off him, giving him that 15-20 yard cushion, why not just throw a slant or a quick out and let him make plays in the open field? Or run the reverse? He’s an athletic freak of nature. We need to take advantage of that. And for that matter, why not try Best on kickoff returns? Not full time, just situational-like if they just scored and we need some good field position to answer late in a game. Also, Schwartz has got to trust Jason Hanson to hit amazing field goals. He could have made that field goal on the fourth and one with Suh as the fullback.

I saved my last comment for Jahvid Best. I am simply amazed at what this kid can do. We have not seen this much flash since you know who. The stutter step, the cut-back is so subtle, the hips so fluid that it almost looks like he’s standing still, then—BANG!! He’s running past your LB and your safety is thinking "Oh, God he’s coming my way!! FAST!" You don’t have time to figure out he’s gonna do. You just try and hit him. And that’s what he wants you to do. He is a very instinctive runner, sees the play well. Has a knack for getting positive yards (the one yard notwithstanding). Soft hands too, that’s why I think he’s more Roger Craig, rather than you know who (we can’t say his name cause we don’t wanna jinx Best). He should have had 15 catches. He was underneath and open on many plays that Hill missed, forcing the ball downfield. We have got weapons. We have to find a better way of using them. The last drive was disappointing in that we could not find a way to get the ball to the TE or a HB to get some yards and run and spike and get a field goal to tie. But Best’s 75 yard screen pass run where he showed a sixth gear almost blunted the stale taste of defeat. Almost.

P.S: If Derrick Williams is our emergency backup QB, do we have a wild cat package for him? Like I said, we got weapons. We gotta utilize them any way we can in order to start winning.

Go, Sparty, Go!! Deeeeeeeeetroit Baaaasketbaaaaaaaal!!

by Mr. Big Shot on Sep 20, 2010 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Peterson is not looking that good so far.

He is not the Pro Bowler everyone keeps saying he is.

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 20, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, agreed.

I had high hopes for Peterson this year, but he has failed to impress. Probably one of the very few things so far that I can say I’ve been disappointed about.

by motown313 on Sep 21, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Next Sunday

I have been a Lions fan for a long time and these last two games have been more painful than many I can remember. We were robbed in Chicago and we almost beat an Eagles team that with Vick, was giving the Packers (many peoples SuperBowl pick) fits last week.

I will not concede this season however until next Sunday. We should be able to beat the Vikings. The defensive line is going to hammer Favre and if our linebackers will just fill the holes we should be able to handle Peterson. Favre is not going to have time to get off deep routes with our pass rush.

As far as offense is concerned open up the damn playbook! Best, Johnson, Burelson, the tight ends. Are you kidding me? We should have one of the most high powered offenses in the league. Hit the flats, throw the screens, dump it down. Give Calvin some chances deep. If he has man coverage just put the ball in the air and give him a chance. We are a better team than Miami. Lets go get the W! I only have one week left in my heart this season to be this fired up. Now go get it Detroit! I have nothing left to give after next Sunday.

by Spider1 on Sep 20, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

With Stafford we r 2-0 and looking to beat the Vikings and be 3-0 and playing for 1st place in division against Packer’s

If at 1st you dont succeed...Your a Loser

by HYDEINC on Sep 20, 2010 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

And maybe

with Bly we are at least 1-1.

by OregonEmigrant on Sep 20, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could also say, with an offensive line we are 2-0

Since not only would Stafford be playing but we might actually have a hole to run through on 7 man fronts.

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 20, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post Drew

I personally wouldn’t say that Hill was the goat of the game, since I think he did enough good things compared to some other players, like those in the secondary.

I gotta say that I’m fairly optimistic by where we are. The defence is concerning, as we thought it would be, and without the Stafford the offence isn’t chugging along like we would hope, but we are sticking with teams, and playing some fine football for certain stretches. We just gotta be more consistent.

RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 20, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Couple of points

Good write-up for the most part, but a couple of things caught my attention:

When Mayhew hits home-runs on guys like Jackson and Alphonso Smith – which at this point, it seems he has

Whoa, whoa, whoa. What game were you watching? Jackson was the worst player on the D-line for the Lions and Alphonso Smith showed me nothing in the secondary. To suggest they are even solid, let along “home runs” is hyperbole at best, and borders on dishonesty.

After two weeks, I think it’s safe to say that this secondary is better than last year’s version

Based on what? They may be younger, but they don’t seem to be any better. As mentioned by djzielin above, opposing QB’s have a 108.1 QB rating against the Lions. Last year the QB rating was 106 something, I believe. There doesn’t seem to be any tangible evidence that the secondary is any better, just different.

by Big Z in Orlando on Sep 21, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

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