NFL Roster Cuts: Lions Claim Stefan Logan, Release Rocky Boiman
by Sean Yuille on Sep 5, 2010 7:24 PM EDT
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PrintSpencer Havner wasn't the only player the Lions claimed today, as they also got wide receiver/returner Stefan Logan off waivers.
Logan was let go by the Steelers a day ago. In 2009, he set Pittsburgh's single-season record for kick return yardage, totaling 1,466 yards over 16 regular season games. He didn't take any returns back for a touchdown, but he had a long of 83 yards and averaged 26.7 yards a return.
To make room on the roster for Logan, the Lions released linebacker Rocky Boiman. Actually, Dennis Northcutt was likely released to make room for Logan, as they are both returners/receivers. Does that mean Havner was claimed to play linebacker? I don't think so; Boiman was likely released because the Lions had seven linebackers on the roster and could part ways with one. I expect Havner to be a tight end, just as I expect Logan to be the Lions' return specialist.
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well. . .
i guess we have found our return man. . .my wife is a Steelers fan since she is from the Pittsburgh area (Don’t hold that against me). . .needless to say, I have watched alot of Steelers games. . .Logan is a threat every time he returns the ball. . .good pick up for the Lions
I remember him in the CFL
he was such a stud returner
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Both good moves, you know I was a Lions fan, but now I think I have a mancrush on Schwartz and Mayhew
Can we sign them for life long contracts?
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let's see. . .
how well their strategies translates into wins. . .but i agree, they both garner alot of praise from around the league. . .Go Lions!!
You can see these 2 following the script...
That they laid out early last year…..There hasn’t been a haphazard b.s. move yet. You can see the plan unfolding, and I think that they see a better season possible, then what their letting on.
by delusional on Sep 5, 2010 7:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Same here! 1750 yards return!
Though, I was hoping they would get him.
So why'd they cut Logan?
I didn’t see Pittsburgh having anything better.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Mewelde Moore is the PR and Mike Wallace does the KR
The problem with Logan is. He is a return specialist only. He fits with the Lions. Not with the Steelers
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Brown
The reason the Steelers had the “luxury” to release Logan was because of the emergence of rookie Brown out of Central Michigan. He had an excellent camp and good preseason that made having two good returners expendable.
Plus, Brown offers more in the pass game as well as we all saw. So to the point, he was released because of Brown. Wish we had that problem lol
Special teamers
We need LBs and DBs!
Couldnt A.Brown and Burleson handle returns? Also whats up with Long snappers? Cant a friggin center do that?
thats what im sayin
or cant a lon snapper be a center lol
by lionsfan4ever on Sep 5, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
long snappers on punts must be fast dom is not fast
They gotta get down field to make the tackle. Didn’t any of you even play hs ball?
by perfectlions on Sep 6, 2010 12:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Skills are different
The smooth release involved in a normal snap is miles from the power heave you need to throw one with accuracy back ten yards. Uses different muscles.
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by NobodySpecial on Sep 5, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to relax dude
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I counted 4 RB and 1 FB
and one of the RB can double as a slot WR and a special teams returner if need be.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
I think you ment Felton not Boiman
Peeps have Boiman confused, he was the journeyman LB that looked like Conan O’Brien in the Buffalo game.
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Logan is a return specialist. He had about 1700 yards in Kickoff and Punt returns
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Are you talking about Rocky Boiman the LB that was releasesd for Logan?
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
For one, Boiman was a FB. And besides, Felton is our FB. Can he run the ball? Sure, but he’s a fullback, not a running back.
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Just a recap here, I think some of us are spinning in circles over the moves :)
Lions sign Boiman in order to fortify linebacking corps
The Detroit Lions will sign linebacker Rocky Boiman on Monday, according to a league source.
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Boiman, 30, started his career in 2002 with the Tennessee Titans and has made stops in Indianapolis, Kansas City and Pittsburgh. He won a Super Bowl ring with the Colts in 2007.
Boiman will bolster a linebacking corps that has been decimated by injury. Jordon Dizon was placed on injured reserve earlier this month, while DeAndre Levy has battled back and groin injuries.
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Lol I meant LB
Yes, too many moves to keep straight.
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And of course he was released today.
My guess is the news outlets got the stuff a bit garbled from the Lions.
We signed Logan WR/KR and cut Northcut WR/KR
And we signed Havner LB/TE/ST and cut Boiman LB
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This is a move that I like a lot.
Logan for Boiman is an upgrade, IMO. Neither Brown nor Williams showed anything in the return game the entire preseason and I don’t want Best doing it. This is a guy that is a threat each time, something that can’t be said for the other two. Good move.
For the people that want to cut the LS it wont happen
Every team carries a long snapper, and it is a very special position. Snapping shotguns from a regular center is nothing like the long snaps. Complete different rhythm, angle of release, and target.
Also for the record, special teams are WAY more important than a casual fan might realize, there are easily 100+ yards a game hidden in kick offs, punts, and coverage units. Do NOT undersell the value of a top special teams unit translating into wins. Just look at what a bind we were putting Buffalo into by pinning them deep in the last preseason game. Longer drives for an opposing offense = more chance for mistakes. 10 less yards of field position makes Pratt’s interception never happen, instead it is 7 for the other team.
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A buddy of mine from High School
Was a great all around HS player and when he went to college on a scholarship, the only thing the coaches wanted him to do was to become the long snapper. Think about it, game is on the line, a field goal will win it. Who should snap the ball? Do you want a specialist or a player that is used to getting the ball to the QB?
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by RealityIsOptionable on Sep 5, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think anyone is disowing the inpotnse of ST
its the roster space binds it puts you in..
not all team have a guy that only LS.. alot of team G/C or TE can do it
now i think every team has a P and a K but they should be able to both imo
wow my sweet spelling
i dont think anyone is disowning the importance of ST its the roster space binds it puts you in..
not all team have a guy that only LS.. alot of team G/C or TE can do it
now i think every team has a P and a K but they should be able to both imo
All 32 teams, every single one
Arizona Cardinals: Mike Leach
Atlanta Falcons: Joe Zelenka
Baltimore Ravens: Morgan Cox
Buffalo Bills: Garrison Sanborn
Carolina Panthers: J.J. Jansen
Chicago Bears: Patrick Mannelly
Cincinatti Bengals: Clark Harris
Cleveland Browns: Ryan Pontbriand
Dallas Cowboys: L.P. LaDouceur
Denver Broncos: Lonie Paxton
Detroit Lions: Don Muhlbach
Green Bay Packers: Brett Goode
Houston Texans: Jonathan Weeks
Indianapolis Colts: Justin Snow
Jacksonville Jaguars: Jeremy Cain
Kansas City Chiefs: Thomas Gafford
Miami Dolphins: John Denney
Minnesota Vikings: Cullen Loeffler
New England Patriots: Jake Ingram
New Orleans Saints: Jason Kyle
New York Giants: Zak DeOssie
New York Jets: Tanner Purdum
Oakland Raiders: Jon Condo
Philadelphia Eagles: Jon Dorenbos
Pittsburgh Steelers: Greg Warren
San Diego Chargers: David Binn
San Francisco 49ers: Brian Jennings
Seattle Seahawks: Clint Gresham
St. Louis Rams: Chris Massey
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Andrew Economos
Tennessee Titans: Ken Amato
Washington Redskins: Nick Sundberg
Furthermore most long snappers are former tight ends, mainly because tight end is one of the most demanding positions. As a TE you have to know all of the offense, all the pass and run block schemes, plus the pass routes. A lot of tight ends end up being coaches because of their grasp and knowledge of the game. And to take this a step further our guy, Don Muhlbach is one of the best in the league. We are not cutting him, don’t even think about it.
I used to think that you could get by without a LS too, but then someone here schooled me and I learned the error of my Madden ways. Sure high school, college, arena, CFL, UFL, whatever the hell leagues might get by without a dedicated long snapper but that does not happen in the NFL.
Special teams control so many of these cuts that I thought it would be interesting to break down how teams formulate their rosters.
Most teams have their rosters set before they enter the final week of the preseason. They might have one or two spots left open, but for the most part the roster is settled, unless an unexpected injury occurs. With such a short week of practice ahead, and the fourth preseason game not offering a fully competitive environment, there is little time for any players on the bubble to change the organization’s mind.
Therefore, entering Week 3 of the preseason, teams have essentially a core of 40 players making up the offense and defense who are secure with their starting and backup positions. All that is left is the final 13 spots, along with formulating the practice squad.
The 40 will include a kicker, punter and long snapper, along with the starters and vital backups. The most often asked questions this time of the year is will a player dress in the 45 and what impact does he have on special teams?
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and none of the guys can do ANYTHING other then LS?
thats just stupid imo..
if your can snap a ball with some dud cupping your balls
if you can snap a ball to the QB in shotgun
you should be able to snap it to the punter/ PH
same goes for K/P
if you cn kick a ball kick a ball
I know how you feel
But you need to realize something …
NFL is a cut throat business .. and currently, the best minds in NFL feel it is important enough to have a specialist …
Every time a punt is kicked, the long snapper is snapping the ball
Every time we convert after a touchdown, the long snapper is snapping
Every time we score a field goal, the long snapper is snapping
As you can see how important that job is .. and it is true our LS is a very good one ..
Can a LS learn to play another position .. sure .. Does the team want to take a chance with injury of such a person who is so instrumental .. that we don’t even notice it cuz it moves so smoothly .. Not a chance
So I think drop it ..
NFL teams aren’t dumb .. It can be done .. but no one is dumb enough to do it …
Long snappers
A long snapper doesn’t just have to get the ball from point A to point B. The ball also must be delivered with the exact amount of rotation so it arrives to the holder (on FGs and PATs) or the punter with the laces facing upward, and at the perfect height. Even a 1/8 turn in the wrong direction can affect the timing of the hold or punt, or adversely affect the trajectory. In long snapper situations, even a half-second delay can mean a blocked kick.
by RobertPorcher on Sep 6, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind
the long snapper also has to run down the field after they snap to tackle the returner. While centers are athletic to a point….I don’t know how I’d feel about Dom sprinting down the field to try and tackle a guy. You’ve seen how offensive linemen tackle on interceptions and fumbles…pretty poorly. Long snappers have to have a slightly different skill set.
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by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 6, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
the point still stands
4 RB
best
brown
smith
mories
4 te
grew
TS
heller
Havner
5 WR
CJ
bur
BJ
DW
Logan
i just dont see why we need all that
seem like we spent alot of time last year with
3 te
3 rb
4 wr(that was about 50-50 if i right we had 5 some the time just not all of it)
due to all the problems at CB
What I don't feel the need for is...
The third QB, this isn’t a dog on Stanton I just don’t understand the need. Games can be won and lost on special teams so the “specialists” don’t bother me as much there, and if Linehan wants to run a lot of double TE sets then I understand the need for four TE, and I also think we could get by with one less back. But there are a multiude of reasons why I am just a casual fan and Mahew and Schwartz get paid the big bucks to run the team.
by detroit_player on Sep 5, 2010 11:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think they want to see how Hill does for a year before they just move on from Stanton.
What if Hill under performs here and becomes Culpecker 2.0? Then we can always resign Drew and grab a young fella to groom as a backup. A late round pick or something. But I don’t mind having 3 solid quarter backs at all. Just look at what has been happening in Pittsburgh this year.
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I don’t think anyone could perform quite like The Pecker. And I don’t forsee any problems like the Steelers have in Rapelisburger (say hellp to my lil Ben). And hevean forbid Charlie Batch ever comes back to Detroit. Hill is a highly regarded back up in the NFL and has shown the ability to win and control games as a starter and coming in due to anything else. And with the way Staton has performed when the game matters and he’s not going against the third string he hasn’t shown anything.
by detroit_player on Sep 6, 2010 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I understand where you are coming from. But in trying to speculate as to why they are keeping him I can only think two things.
1) They are holding him for his trade value and trying to work a deal. He would be an ideal back up for someone like say Donovan McNabb, very similar play styles.
2) They like the security blanket of having as proven of a 3rd string quarterback as anyone in the league, and probably better than most 2nd stringers in terms of pure exposure to the game and game management.
I do agree he is not proven at all, but he is a lot more proven than guys like Dan LeFevour or Time Hiller and he has a lot more upside than someone like a Trent Green or Kurt Warner that teams are trying to lure out of retirement.
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BTW the front office was supposedly 50/50 on him, toattly down the middle on wether to keep him or not.
The first time that they could not unify on a decision quickly. I also look at the players cut and a few had short term value like Bly or Jansen, but probably not as much trade value. Cohen would have been a better keep for sure, and would have produced for us on the field far more than Stanton… Unless….. They actually have a plan to get Stanton on the field this year. Could he be in some special packages? Some sort of goal line wildcat set? Possibly, only time will tell.
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for that to wrok he'd have to play backup I think
once the 3rd string QB hits the field I don’t think your starter can come back out.
I had a dream were the Lions let me sign a 1 day contract they let me practice with them running drills and catching passes from Matt…At the end of the day I was called into Mayhews office. I was told I had just been traded to seattle for a 5th round draft pick.
Good point and that will be very evident on game days and who the backup is.
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I also think if there was any packages for him that the Front office would not have been 50/50
If they do decide to keep him though it would only make sense to try and utilize him. So that leads me to this. If you see him getting any game time in the first half of the season he is part of the plan. If he does not see any game time, without injuries happening, then he was never anything more than trade bait and insurance.
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Could be
But like I said before if Drew has found a spot as a scout QB and practice drills…Him helping the team prep maybe the reason they like him around. 3rd sting QB has diffrent jobs than the 1 and 2. Maybe Drew is a great guy to have just for the out of game situations he has to take care of. If we were gonna run some kind of wildcat QB offense I would think Troy Smith would be the guy you want.
I had a dream were the Lions let me sign a 1 day contract they let me practice with them running drills and catching passes from Matt…At the end of the day I was called into Mayhews office. I was told I had just been traded to seattle for a 5th round draft pick.
I was kind of surprised we didnt get Pat White off waivers for that, and make him return kicks LoL!
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I would like to see a link to the 50.50 claim
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KDawg is right. We have no idea how close he was to getting cut.
Speculation, speculation, speculation.
Mayhew keeps a tight rein on information. There is no way he comes out and says keeping a third QB was a coin flip. That is not the way he manages.
And to be clear, I am very happy with the way he manages the Lions.
Why do we not need 5 WR?
Most teams have at least 6 WR? I’m pretty sure the only reason we are down to 5 is because Scheffler will line up at WR a lot.
It’s like all you do is complain…
Look at it this way..
We have 4 WR + 1 KR specialist. And I like it.
At 5’6" he will never line up at WR.
Have a feeling
Brown will beat him out at retrun now lol….Not opposed to it either.
I had a dream were the Lions let me sign a 1 day contract they let me practice with them running drills and catching passes from Matt…At the end of the day I was called into Mayhews office. I was told I had just been traded to seattle for a 5th round draft pick.
Dude is really small though
Like, too small to actually line up at receiver. How many times have you seen a productive 5’6" receiver in the NFL?
They probably wanted to utilize his quickness in the slot...
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1/2 right he was a RB and your still crazy :)
Crazy ’bout dem Lions
Still time to donate to the Kevin Smith for ProBowl foundation
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
You guys might both be crazy
Looking over Logan’s stats from last year, he had exactly zero rushing attempts and one reception for five yards. Based on those numbers it’s hard to consider him much more than just a return specialist.
no his was strickly a SP guy...never got 1 carry and only one catch.
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hell even santana moss is 5'10
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by The Profiler on Sep 5, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Campbell
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Sep 5, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
I have a feeling if he was just like Darren Sproles he wouldn’t have been released, since Sproles is some kind of good.
Interesting though. I’m almost wondering at this point if we should just convert Aaron Brown to a full time receiver. His measurements (6’1", 195 lbs) looks a hell of a lot more like a WR’s then a RB’s. Guess we’ll see what Schwartz does.
Yea A. Brown
Can easily be a better slot receiver than bryant johnson
He got cut because they conerted him to wr but he’s to small
he’s an excellent returner but the steelers have 3 guys thats good at returning kicks
he was cut cause he’s like 27 or 28 they went with the youth lol
This is an outstanding move by Mayhew
Stephan Logan is almost guaranteed to give us great field position very often! I am very happy that we FINALLY have a real kick returner again!!
Kudos to the Steelers for having the insight to pick Antonio “Crazy Eyes” Brown….he looked great during the preseason, and his performance made Logan expendable for the Steelers. Logan fits perfectly in Detroit, as we desperately needed a real return threat. Havner give us added versatility that Gronkowski didn’t have. So we got a young corner who is coachable (perfection for a guy like Schwartz who is known for taking average corners and turning them into pro bowlers), for a player who was strictly a TE, and we got rid of Northcutt for a player who can play TE or LB and is a good special teamer! YEAH BABY!! GO LIONS!!
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I have a feeling Linehan has a few plays planned for him too.
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
Lovie Smith calling the commish
Dammit Roger,
How in the hell can I game plan for the Lions . Every couple of hours I have to re-evaluate game film. I had to drag out Denvers film, and then I had to drag out some Green Bay film, and now I gotta get the Steelers film, that just isn’t fair.
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
Commish to Lovie...
C’mon Lovie you’re not fooling anyone. We all know you are shopping for vacation property. There is no-way you’re gonna beat the Lions, The only film you need to watch is of SUH. Give it up man, and go boat shopping. You’re gonna have alot of free time on your hands soon.
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by delusional on Sep 5, 2010 9:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't believe CHI has both of our retreads....lol
by delusional on Sep 5, 2010 9:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've said it before
Chicago is turning into the “Lions coaching reject all-stars.” I’m betting they sign Mariucci as their HC after Lovie gets fired this year.
I just been seeing that they can't get the O going....
What’s ole Rod running for a D over there?….Some version of a warmed over Tampa 2 because he doesn’t have the correct players for his system?
by delusional on Sep 5, 2010 9:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe the Bears Owner and GM wanted a way to make Lovie look bad...
because they were too nice to just say “You’re fired”, so they went out and hired the worst Lion coaches ever to get it done for them!
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We have a guy that wraps up around the ankles and doesn't have to bend down.
Mighty Midget
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
We can have a formation
Where he lines up behind CJ and runs a route right between his legs before the D even see’s him
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
Let me get this straight.
While I did have to wear a hockey helmet when I rode the Short Bus to school, help me understand. Logan was an RB and now he is listed as a WR and is a KR? Spencer Havner was a LB, but is listed as a TE? Seems to me we are going after players with experience at multiple positions. That will never work.
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by RealityIsOptionable on Sep 5, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions
Yea your right Jim Thorpe and Bo Jackson are frauds
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
Logan
Is strictly for returning kicks thats all
Havner is jus a miltidimensional TE
that came in the league as a LB
Converted to TE and did well and he also covers kicks
He might be trade bait or the sign that Heller is on his way out
Thank You
For clearing the situation up for me. I owe ya one:)
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by RealityIsOptionable on Sep 5, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Dan Klecko (DT/FB) and Mike Vrabel (LB/TE) worked out pretty well for the pats.
And didn’t they have a WR play corner? Troy Brown, or Troy Smith or something like that? Also when we were in a prevent defense last year, on the last play of the Washington game, we had Megatron back there in the end zone playing center field :)
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Troy Brown
Was the ultimate team player. He played wide receiver, punt returner, kick returner, gunner, and Nickel corner…he even lined up as quarterback for the Pats on at least one occasion I can remember
So...
If I understand correctly, acquiring these multidimensional players is not a bad thing?
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by RealityIsOptionable on Sep 5, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct! It is actually a big help for us to have a couple of them.
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Northcutt is gone, that’s the important part.
by Alpharatsnest on Sep 5, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
ahhh you that the same thought as me, and Dan Klecko, who Atlanta just cut (DT/FB)
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Think of it this way:
If the average kick returner gets us to the 20 everytime and Stefan Logan gets us to the 25 everytime, and he touches the ball about 4 times a game, then thats 20 yards hes contributing to the offense every game, which is more or less what a 4th or 5th receiver would contribute anyways
The beginning of the end of the misery
Logan
Might get to the 30 as well he’s
prolly as explosive as cribbs he’s good
logan is also his smaller which will make him harder to hit and have n angle on
he had 1735 or somethin like that return yards last year so he’s no fluke
look at his highlights
and they let him go cause he’s 29
they had 3 good returners allready they just went with the younger
guys i’m assuming. he was beastin this preseason as well so i don’t
whats the reason for cutting him
yep they did!
Found someone as good at returning but more versitile.
by donl517 on Sep 5, 2010 9:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stefan Logan's Stats Last Year
2009 Returner Stats
G: 16
KR: 55
YDS: 1,466
AVG: 26.7
LNG: 83
TD: 0
20+: 43
40+: 4
FUM: 1
PR: 30
YDS: 280
AVG: 9.3
LNG: 25
TD: 0
20+: 3
40+: 0
FC: 15
FUM: 2
As a team we averaged 21.4 yards on 96 returns and 8.3 yards on 28 punts. Logan would have netted us 508.8 more yards for 31.8 a game on kick offs and 28 more yards for 1.8 a game on punts. He would have given us 33.6 more total yardage than any other kick returner on our team last year, so yeah that is a significant upgrade. Over the course of a game he would cause an 80 yard drive to become a 46.4 yard drive, every game. That is pretty valuable if you ask me and that is just the return game. Just think if we upgrade the kick coverage as much we could easily see a net gain of 80 yards in field position a game and that is pretty much a touchdown right there.
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by Evilsmurf on Sep 5, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bam... Now that is something really to think about
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Yep, excellent point.
Excited about yet another new addition.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
I don't remember a good return man since Mel Gray!
Who have we had since him?
by donl517 on Sep 5, 2010 9:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Derrick Williams =]
lol na on a serious note the best returner we’ve had since then
is Eddie Drummond
oh yeah Drummond
He got hurt and that was the last I remember of him.
by donl517 on Sep 5, 2010 9:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because
That was the last of him lol I think he went to another team the year after but after that he was a ghost
I think he went to KC too
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Well, we did have...
Desmond Howard although he was on the down swing of his career, Terry Fair who was a decent returner and a lousy corner and, Az Hakim who was another decent returner.
by detroit_player on Sep 5, 2010 10:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice addition
Logan is the replacement for Northcut and a fine athlete. I hope the Lions pick up White from the Colts as well.
White was signed
Colts signed him to practice squad but I would have loved for them to sign him here.
The Lions passed him up then as did everyone else obviously.
Kind of a surprise. As was Cohen going to the Jags…I think the Lions have something going on that only Shwartz on up knows about. Or perhaps the team is satisfactory as is…
by ColtsFanatic on Sep 5, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the way they envision the O and D
I agree with you .. They need specific players to do specific stuff .. and only they will know who they think fits where …
I can picture the Lions using Havner on both sides of the ball...
And confusing the opposition…
What a loss by the Packers...
Havner is a freak of nature.
Thought the Tigers
had signed nook logan. LOL. But great pick up.
Detroit F***ing Lions
Kitna 2 Scottie Vines
by GhostofLionspast on Sep 6, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
Why can't running backs throw passes ?
Stafford and Hill are wasting out roster spots …
Half the time, the RB is gonna run and we don’t need a QB … Just snap the ball to the RB … and the other half times, if our RB’s knew how to throw the ball .. we wouldn’t need Staff and Hill .. I know QB’s have skill .. but it’s a waste of 2 roster spots .. I have seen RB’s throw deep passes before .. and if they can throw once .. they can do it every game .. I am sure opposing teams will be fooled by the play again and again ..
The money we pay everyone .. Everyone should be able to do everything .. Suh should line up as O lineman too .. and in special teams … We are paying him so much .. CJ should
Imagine how many roster spots we would save …
I am sure some people won’t get it .. so … All this was Sarcasm …
that not even close to the same thing..
a punter kicks the ball.. a kicker kicks the ball
a LS sanps the ball and C snaps the ball..
the only point some one maid was that a LS needs to be able to run down the filed and tackle..
right so dom as a LS probly wouldnt work so well but some one like heller(i know he cant just useing it as a example) can LS and play back up TE
all i am saying is it would be nice if the LS
could do something.. anything.. as well as LS.. dosnt need to start at it.. hell dosent even need to do it but the abillity to do something is what i am talking about
fine but the ability to do something
what if grew TS heller and that new guy all went down.. be nice if that LS could go out there if need be is all i am saying
Then we would lose that game
and not run plays with TE anymore .. and NOT RISK the 1 LS specialist we have with injury …
And find some new TE’s after the game .. Like every team does … They all deal with injury that way .. you know ? .. Not risk injury to a specialist cuz someone went down .. lolll
and the kicker always kicks the ball when it's still ..
The punter kicks it while in motion …
If you keep an open mind, you will know that these are specialists for important functions … and while they can do each others job … they can’t do it Well … So if one goes down in a game, the other might fill in for the game .. but we will lose yardage big time ..
We don’t have a backup kicker or a punter or a Long Snapper .. right ? .. That would be waste of roster space ..
And per your logic .. All O Line back ups should be able to play D line .. it’s standing there and pushing and shoving .. right ?
You have never played or bothered to understand the game … and for some reason, you seem to think that ALL 32 teams are dumber than you …
no OL playing DL is complety diffrent
and i never said i was smarter then any one
look at the raiders K/P he does both very well..
Even when we are settled ..
We need to draft smartly .. AND draft impact players in the 1st round .. Every Year … and not Kickers who can punt ..
and as you sadi befor ST players have huge inpaccts b/c the touch the ball so much
your flip floping now…
b/c there so inporten we should draft them in the 1st
that was how many years ago ?
and by pointing that out .. you are just proving how special Hanson is …
He doesn’t need to punt .. he has been that good a kicker ..
like 20 years lol
yes he is a very good kicker… you where just saying we cant spened high picks on kickers.. b/c the dont have inpact but the latere you say they have to big of a inpact to use other places
Hey .. here's an idea
Why have Suh or Best or Stafford or Pettigrew when you can save a roster spot … have a guy who can kick and punt ..
Also, if he goes down in the game .. I am sure you can teach the QB’s to kick .. make themselves useful .. lollll
And he was good enough to play ?
Why couldn’t he stick with a team like the lions ? ..
He must be doing a hell of a job ….
There is no such thing as job done
Lions ST got the job done ..
But we sucked .. and started behind on every drive ..
That’s your definition of “getting job done”
Elway was a good pooch punter..and didn't Flutie make a drop kick?
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Randle Cinningham could punt :)
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
by Wayne Fontes on Sep 6, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Check this out a QB punt Amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQKHOMHKT00
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
by Wayne Fontes on Sep 6, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I remeber that one now...
good stuff.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
stop taking me out of context plez
all i am saying is be nice if the LS can contubut in some why if shit hit the fan..
and as far as K and P yes it makes a diffrenc when it is moveing and when it is not.. but if the practis it they would get better at it
also i played LB/RB in high school
anyway i know there not going to cut them.. i just think it would be nice to have them know how to do something
other then there primary position.. even if there not very good at it
In that vein
We should immediately get Hanson taking snaps on first team D at Safety. Even if he can’t do it well, we’re going to need someone to spell Delmas…
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Sep 6, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And I am sure he was good at LB
Guess he was competent enough that people made him stop …
Why don’t we sign everyone who played LB in college as back ups ..
they dont have to be good.. jsut be able to.. vinny could play FB but we never used him there
the fact that he could if needed was of value
Denard Robinson FTW!
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
I actually would like a Suh / Felton backfield inside the 5 yard line :)
I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.
That just gives Felton another big body to fall on top of short of the goal line.
Maybe Suh can throw him over the pile? Okay, I know that is illegal.
Logan and Suh on KR and PR
Everyone says Logan is short. So have him catch the Punt or Kick, Then SUH picks him up, and Throws him 40 yards. You know, Like Midget tossing.
Wow, you’re right, it would free up three roster spots if we could teach Best and the rest to throw!! LOL
by detroit_player on Sep 6, 2010 12:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wow, you’re right, it would free up three roster spots if we could teach Best and the rest to throw!! LOL. Just imagine, we could have like six TE’s and WR’s, that’s like a dream come true. We could get Millen to be a football as his head is just full of hot air anyways! On a serious note fame one is just SIX DAYS away, GO LIONS!!! Is it wrong to wear a Stafford jersey to church when you live in Nashville?
by detroit_player on Sep 6, 2010 12:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No .. God finally loves the Lion Fan :)
It would be wrong not to wear it .. and rub it in to Lion haters .. who ridiculed us for so long .. Lolll
Good!! Should it be Staff or throw back Barry?
by detroit_player on Sep 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Staff ..
Barry would mean you are still clinging to the past … Staff would mean you are looking towards our bright future :)
Barry
name one other player in league history who has made peoples jaw drop and say “JESUS CHRIST!!!!”
In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
Pride of Detroits village idiot
*more peoples
In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
Pride of Detroits village idiot
I said Jesus Christ
not Jesus f**king Christ
In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
Pride of Detroits village idiot
No doubt there
.. Just wanna send a message to people out there that we are looking to the future ..
But Barry was the ultimate … no doubt there …
michigansports Lions’ Louis Delmas return to practice, but DeAndre Levy does not
davebirkett #Lions GM Martin Mayhew talked w/media on roster moves and other topics for about 8 minutes today. His thoughts on the team in general:
davebirkett “We still have some young guys who are still learning, still developing, but I think we have the potential to be a pretty decent team.”
davebirkett
Asked if that meant competing for a playoff spot, Mayhew said: “I think I’ll leave it at that. I think we’ll be a pretty decent team.”
davebirkett Mayhew on what #Lions looking for entering season: "Wins. We need to win some games. That’s what we need more than anything else. "
davebirkett Mayhew on Alphonso Smith: "He’s worth a look as a developmental guy to try to bring along. He may give us more than just development
There's that roster stratagy again.
Young, developmental, with loads of upside.
Their placing a lot of faith in Tim Walton to coach up these guys.
Question…Is that Walton on the sidelines….The black dude with his hat on backwards, wearing the red shirt with the headset on?
by delusional on Sep 6, 2010 3:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LS not equal to C
There are several things that a Long Snapper does that a center never does so lets summarize it.
1) Different release when snapping a punt
2) Different trajectory when snapping a punt
3) Different amount of force when snapping a punt
4) Different timing when snapping a punt
5) Different lace placement when snapping a punt
6) Kick coverage after snapping a punt
7) Different release when snapping a kick
8) Different trajectory when snapping a kick
9) Different amount of force when snapping a kick
10) Different timing when snapping a kick
11) Different lace placement when snapping a kick
12) Kick coverage after snapping a kick
Comparing a center to a long snapper because they both “snap the ball” would be like comparing an omelet to a cake because they “both have eggs”, never mind the other 12 things that are different they both have that ONE SAME COMPONENT so therefore they are pretty similar….. Yeah 1/12th the same, about 8% of the mechanic of a regular snap versus long snapping is the same, but hey lets just get rid of this specialist that 32 of 32 NFL teams see as an absolute necessity because some armchair long snapper who has never snapped a long snap in the NFL thinks it is stupid to carry one on the roster. Furthermore never mind accepting the points of countless others when we are shown irrefutable proof and points of logic as to why it is a bad idea, instead lets continue to defend that errant opinion just because we have a personal stake in it.
/rant off
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 60's football back to Motown!
off topic...about your sig
Dunno if it’s a specific reference to a comment or whatever, but is Suh’s gonna bring back a decade of football to Motown, can I request that he bring back the 50s?
You know, when the Lions won a championship or two?
I'm expecting 100% improvement from the Lions this season.
Lol nice yeah I can do that, I was just thinking of Alex Karras and might have the timeline off ;)
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 60's football back to Motown!
Yeah Karras is who I thought of when it became probable that Detroit would draft him.
Karras played football in Iowa and finished second, yes S E C O N D in the Heisman voting.
If Suh is close to the dominant player that Alex was I will be very happy.
I find it funny
That we have to defend why we have a LS on the team. And Mulbach happens to be one of the Elite at his position. This is a stupid discussion. Thanks for the rant smurf…
Yes I hope no one from the other football sites see this.....
…will only reinforce their negative impressions of Detroit Lions fans.
Man what an embarrassment.
+100
Informative
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 7, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Very happy with this pick up
Logan is a very good returner, we may just have a chance at scoring from returns now, something that rarely happens with us. I can’t remember the last time we returned a kick for a TD (not counting the onside kick return against Chicago a few years back)
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
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