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Lions at Bears, Soldier Field Showdown


Well it is getting closer and closer to kick off and I can't seem to get enough Detroit Lions football juice into my veins. I have been intravenously injecting everything I can from the internet, NFL Network, and radio shows. It is just not enough. So I decided to take a look at ourr upcoming game against "da Bears" at Soldier Field on the 12th. I would like to warn you that I am going to be as objective as possible and I am going to try laying off the homer enthusiasm for this.


More after the jump. Probably too much more. ;)

Star-divide


First I am going to look at the teams on a position by position basis. For the most part I am just dumping out the knowledge, analysis, and opinions that are in my head here, and when necessary I will do a little research.

Quarterback: Cutler is more experienced and has more wins in the NFL than Stafford. He also has a better passer rating over his career and last season. Cutler did show a clear drop off in performance when he came to the Bears from Denver. In preseason the entire Chicago offense has looked ugly and Cutler admits that it is "a work in progress". Many players are struggling with the new offense and all things are not clicking in the passing game for Cutler. In fact he warned the Chicago media to expect a lot of interceptions this year. Conversely Stafford appears to be poised to take step at quarterback, a step closer to being "the man", and possibly a big step. Stafford has shown a lot of promise in the preseason and has the Detroit faithful very excited. Most of this excitement comes from camps, practices, and preseason games however and nothing has been proven on the field when it counts.

I see a tale of two quarterbacks here, one trending down, another trending up. Player versus player, pound for pound, I can honestly say this is the "prove it" game for Stafford. Indications are that we might have a big edge here and even though Cutler has the edge in experience, wins, and overall success in the league I think all of that will be more than canceled out by the struggles and lack of confidence he has in the Bears new offense. Edge Lions.

Runningback: Well the good news is that we have Jahvid Best. The bad news is that we have no legitimate, proven threat behind him. Questions about Smiths health, and Browns ability to not only run the correct plays but also be able to run inside the tackles and on the goal line may be answered in this game. But they are still questions. Jerome Felton is completely unproven as a runner and pass protector and he has a lot to prove yet too. So that brings us to Maurice Morris as the only non mystery running behind Best. Though Morris is solid he is not the type of back that anyone is going to get excited about when he checks into the game.

The biggest surprise this year in Chicago just might be their running game. Early indicators are that Matt Forte has gotten over his sophomore slump. Just to make sure that he did the Bears went out and added Chester Taylor in free agency. Taylor is going to be breathing down his back all year and can easily take over the starting duties if Forte fails to perform. Contrary to what many in Detroit think about Martz the guy proved that he can have a successful run game when he was with the Rams.

All things considered I have to call this one a wash. Best is the real deal but unless Felton or Brown takes a serious step in this game our complimentary backs leave a lot to be desired. Had Forte not had a sophomore slump this would be a hands down advantage for the Bears. However he has as much to prove to the Bears this game as Stafford does the Lions. Chester Taylor may be the feature back in Chicago before years end, good thing for them he is capable of handling it. Edge None.

Tight End: Pettigrew, Scheffler, and Heller make the Lions one of the best groups in the NFL. The good news for the Bears is that Greg Olsen can easily be mentioned in the same company. The bad news for them is that no one else on their roster can be. The Lions have a clear edge here but I don't know how much of a disadvantage for the Bears that really is since the Martz offense does not rely on anything but blocking from the tight ends. Edge Lions.

Wide Receiver: The Lions have a potent one, two punch here with Calvin Johnson and Nate Burleson but have no one worth mentioning or game planning for behind those two. The Bears have a very under rated receiving core Johnny Knox, Devin Aromashodu, Devin Hester, and Earl Bennett give the Bears a group that can be very lethal to a slow secondary and also can make gains after the catch when thrown to underneath. It is a good thing for the Bears that the Martz offense does not require physical mismatches and relies more on timing. It is a bad thing for the Bears that the Lions are building a fast and physical secondary capable of interrupting that timing. I have to give the edge to the Lions here only because of the freakish ability of Calvin Johnson. He has the ability to take over and dominate a game, to change the outcome all by himself, that no other name on either squad can. Edge Lions.

Fullback: Neither team has the type of offense or personnel to make this position any kind of real factor in the game in my opinion. Sure both have players that can leak out into the red zone and get a touchdown but that has more to do with coaching and scheme match up than any exceptional talent either team can boast. Edge None.

Offensive Line: The off season addition of Rob Sims and healthy recovery of Stephen Peterman gives the Lions an overwhelming edge here. For the first time in a long time the Lions actually have the best offensive line in the NFC North with four legitimate contenders for the pro bowl our only question marks going into this game are Gosder Cherilus and staying healthy. Chicago on the other hand has question marks all over their line with their only standout player being Olin Kreutz. The Bears are going to have serious concerns keeping their quarterback healthy this game and moving forward into the season. Edge Lions.

Defensive Line: Both teams feature some serious talent on this side of the ball. The Lions have Kyle Vanden Bosch, Ndamukong Suh, Cory Williams, and Cliff Avri. Our line has some serious potential and a nice mix of veterans with youth, now if we could just gel and stop taking stupid penalties, especially in 3rd and long situations we should be able to contend with anyone in the league here. Chicago features proven tackles Anthony Adams and Tommy Harris along with Julius Peppers on the outside, add in promising young Cory Wootton to that mix and our offensive line is going to have their hands full all day long. While at first glance you might consider all of these guys a wash there are two things that give the Lions an edge here. First of all the depth coming off the bench is second to none for the Lions. Secondly, though the Bears have a fearsome pass rush their line is extremely vulnerable when run at, especially when run directly at. Edge Lions.

Line Backers: The Lions have Julian Peterson as a stalwart outside backer, and some promise in DeAndre Levy, if he can stay healthy. However there is a big question mark this year in Zack Follett and though veteran Landen Johnson will be solid if called upon there is nothing but special teams players and question marks behind him. The Bears on the other hand have Brian Urlacher and Hunter Hillenmayer in the middle with Lance Briggs, Nick Roach, and Piso Tinoisamoa on the outside. There are absolutely no question marks for the Bears here, not on starters or backups. The Bears have 3 pro bowl quality starters and 2 starter caliber back ups. Edge Bears.

Secondary: The Lions have Louis Delmas and a lot of hope and prayers in the secondary. With a whole stable of fast, young, physical players the Lions have an unknown quantity in the secondary. Chris Houston and Jonathan Wade are looking to break out and prove that they are legit starters in this league. Recent trade acquisition Alphonso Smith is another young talent that has been discarded by the team that drafted him. Randy Philips is someone who never got drafted at all and Amari Spievey has been moved from corner to safety. These guys should have a chip on their shoulder and something to prove not only to the Lions but also themselves, and in most cases their former teams too.

Bears safeties Daniel Manning and Chris Harris compliment rookie Major Wright. Charles Tillman and Zack Bowman are the bears corners and while Bowman is up and coming, Tillman is nothing to write home about. The Bears have a lot of developmental projects in the secondary they are hoping take a step forward this year. One notable difference is that the Bears have actually drafted quite a few of these guys and this will definitely be a bubble year for a few of them. This is easily the Bears 2nd biggest weakness behind the offensive line. Edge None.

Special Teams: The Lions have Jason Hanson, Nick Harris, and Stefan Logan as the impact guys on special teams. While Hanson and Harris might not be rising stars in the league there is something to be said for the consistency of a kicking unit that has been together for 7 years. Significant attention has been paid to upgrading the coverage units as well for the Lions. With all of the additions including a highly regarded special teams coordinator in Danny Crossman I expect big things from the Lions this year.

The Bears have Robbie Gould, Brad Maynard, Johnny Knox and Danieal Manning as their impact players on special teams. I also expect D.J. Moore to take over punt returns for Devin Hester since he has looked good in the preseason and Hester was nothing special in returns last year. What may surprise a lot of you is the fact that Manning and Knox combined to be the 3rd best kick return tandem in the NFL last year. Knox was the real standout averaging 29 yards per return over 32 kicks and taking one 102 yards for a touchdown.

Looking at this you can understand why we are upgrading up our coverage units. We have closed the gap but probably not enough to surpass Chicago's excellent special teams play. Edge Bears.

Lets Recap that shall we.

Offense: QB: Lions, RB: None, TE: Lions, FB: None, OL: Lions

Defense: DL: Lions, LB: Bears, DB: None

Special Teams: Bears

When I take all of that in and let is soak I see a key to the game. Who can run the ball. Ultimately I think that several things line up for the Lions to win this game. Though the Bears have an excellent linebacker core they will get caught between covering our tight ends and trying to stop Jahvid Best. To make that even more important is the fact that the best way to nullify both Julius Peppers and Tommy Harris is to run right at them. If the Bears are struggling as badly with the Martz passing offense as the preseason has led us to believe this is going to make it that much more important that they can run the ball. Given that the Lions defensive line looks to be very stalwart against the run that does not bode well for the Bears. Another key to this game is going to be how well the Lions secondary can jam receivers at the line and disrupt the delicate timing involved in the Martz offense. If there is no disruption of routes, and the Lions secondary fails to turn their head and not only locate but play the ball, the Bears and Martz just might have the last laugh. I fully expect some big passes against our secondary but I do not think it will be enough in the end for the Bears to win. It will also be interesting to see if Cutler can stay off his back and stay healthy. If the Lions coverage unit cannot keep Knox and Manning contained on kick offs it will keep the game closer than some might think but the Bears will still lose.

It should be noted also that the Lions have some key injuries at MLB and DB, ironically so do the Bears.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Pride of Detroit or its writers. FanPosts are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable fans.

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good read

I had a dream were the Lions let me sign a 1 day contract they let me practice with them running drills and catching passes from Matt…At the end of the day I was called into Mayhews office. I was told I had just been traded to seattle for a 5th round draft pick.

by The Profiler on Sep 6, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

GREAT WRITE UP!
I was actually hoping to make myself one of these and doing a lot of research before the game but looks like you beat me to it. Great insight as always once again.

I think the Lions clear advantage is on the defensive side of the ball, when was the last time we can say something like that?

And I somewhat agree with your statement about the Lions having the TOP offensive line in the NFC North. Not sure if they are on top as of now but surely will have plenty of time to prove it in the coming weeks against tough top defensive front fours.

Great job.
Rec’d

by Calvin21 on Sep 6, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome

Remember too, Forte was hurt last season he is %100 now from what I hear so he has that quick burst he was missing most of last season. I have forte on a fantasy team I actually expect very good numbers from him this season and the more pick cutler throws the more touches Forte gets. NOW for my biggest worry D. Hester I am just glad he dosen’t return kicks anymore but I am worried with his speed and quickness we don’t have a corner on are roster capable of sticking with him maybe the fonz can do that. I don’t expect him to add much to the roster right off the bat this season. Are biggest asset though takes advantage of the biggest weakness. I think Cliff Avril, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Corey Williams, Ndamokung SUH, and Sammie Lee (King of the ) Hill will eat the offensive line alive. Stafford has the oppertuninty to put up some great numbers as do Best and Calvin Johnson Jr. I think are D line alone gives us a GREAT oppertunity to win this game. The bigger picture If we Lose this game question marks will raise as to how a team so improved couldn’t beat a Bears team that is clealry going downhill fast. If the Bears Lose to the Lions though well Lovie Smith and FO maybe closer to looking for work than they planned on this early.

I had a dream were the Lions let me sign a 1 day contract they let me practice with them running drills and catching passes from Matt…At the end of the day I was called into Mayhews office. I was told I had just been traded to seattle for a 5th round draft pick.

by The Profiler on Sep 6, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

The Super Fans LOL

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=33686852

I had a dream were the Lions let me sign a 1 day contract they let me practice with them running drills and catching passes from Matt…At the end of the day I was called into Mayhews office. I was told I had just been traded to seattle for a 5th round draft pick.

by The Profiler on Sep 6, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

these types of analyses

have much more meaning when you consider match-ups.

by x$pcents IV on Sep 7, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

you sound like

you only give Lions a slight edge because of CJ? our WR1 and WR2 easily beat out their WR1/2. easily. it is not even close.

by x$pcents IV on Sep 7, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thier bottom end is better than our top end

Calvin > Hester
Nate = Knox
Bryant < Benett
Williams < Aromashodu

Calvin is easily in the top 5 of the league, and probably the top 2. I can only see Andre Johnson beating him on raw talent. However Hester is no pushover. He will continue to improve this year being removed from return duties all together.

Nate is better than Knox but only because of the quarterback throwing to him. Nate has no advantage of catching ability, speed, elusiveness, nor size over Knox. Basically talent wise they are about equal. Nate had sexier stats that is about it. Don’t fool yourself Knox is the real number two there not Benett.

Much as I like Bryant Johnson he is nowhere near the producer for Chicago that Earl Bennett is. Whereas we have two legitimate receivers, Chicago has 3. And their developmental guy is a lot more polished and proven than Derrick Williams.

I stick by my analysis Calvin is the only real reason we have any advantage at receiver.

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 7, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

A major thing to consider is simply that it's a road game against a division opponent

For us, that means it’s automatically going to be harder to pull out the win than normal. The way that other teams have picked our secondary apart, I would be amazed if this game is anything less than a shootout. Good write-up, even though I think you were a little generous to the Lions at a few spots like DL and the Secondary (I would give the Bears a slight edge in both). I also would call the OL a draw because Gosder is a still big wildcard and liability until he proves otherwise.

I think we can win this game, but I don’t think our D is good enough to make it a convincing win. It may simply come down to who has the ball last.

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 7, 2010 2:03 AM EDT reply actions  

You should see their OL, it is horrible, they are actually worse than last year where we have improved a lot.

Rob Sims and a Healthy Peterman make the difference for us. Hoepfully Backus can handle Peppers. Honestly our best bet is to run right at Peppers, he tends to over penetrate and take himself out or run plays and requires little blocking to be countered there. Gosder though not the best I think is more than capable of handling Cory Wooton who is a rookie.

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by Evilsmurf on Sep 7, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

LoL! "Hoepfully" Really? *slaps himself*

On the shout out thing. It could happen, but I think the combination of players struggling to learn the Martz system and the fact that Cutler not only has 7 step drops to do but also an absolutely horrible line will cause some picks, bad throws, sacks, and possibly an injured Chicago quarterback or two.

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 7, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey smurf, question about peppers

I understand that he lines up on both sides of the d-line, but have heard that the majority of his snaps he will line up on the left side over our right tackle.

Is that true, and if so, is Gosder going to be able to handle it?

Kong of the Jungle----Best of the Beasts!!

by footstock on Sep 7, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good question!

In the match up I was assuming he would be against Backus, however now that you do mention it I do recall some intel somewhere to the effect that he will move around. Honestly I think he will be a handful for any of our tackles in pass rush. However if we have Petibeast or Heller double him or even just chip him on the way out to a pattern I think that will go a long way to helping out. The best way to beat Peppers has always been to cram the ball right down his throat. That weakness in his game basically cost Carolina a Super Bowl. Fortunately for us Tommy Harris has the same weakness. Jahvid Best might just have a monster game.

In the past Urlacher covered up a lot of their holes, but he has been getting banged up and is not the player he once was. I remember one of our backs making him miss last year and thinking “he is losing it, the injuries are taking their toll”.

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 7, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another counter to Peppers is getting the ball out fast

Fortunately for us we have a lot of options there and one of the biggest weakness’s on their corners is their fear of getting beat outside, which means the slant should be there all day.

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by Evilsmurf on Sep 7, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

good point, thanks.

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by footstock on Sep 7, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here's how you take away Peppers and that D-line

First off Evil got it right, you run straight at them, they have not been able to stop a staight forward runner for the past 4 years now. 2nd, you throw the all mighty screen pass to a speedy back like Best. 3rd and this is the 1 I like the best; you simply put both TE’s out there and chip block their DE’s, and 1 point that has been missed in this write up is this: How are those old LB’s going to stop our young fast TE’s? I am all about Nate Burellson being the best #2 WR we have had since the Moore/Perriman/Morton era, but we have something we have NEVER had in my time when you talk about SHEFF and GREW these are 2 unstoppable TE’s especially Sheffler, the guy is just uncoverable when you think about it 6’5’ and 255. He’s too tall for a CB in the nickle to cover to fast for any LB’s in the league and to big for every S to stop. And that’s just 1 of them then you talk about Grew who is going to become a dominant force himself at 6’5" and a mere 265. Too me the game will be decided by our TE’s dominating their DE’s/LB’s yeah Best and Megatron will get there’s but these 2 guys have to step up and continue to do what they did in pre-season for us to be as unstopable as we know they can be! My biggest concern is that the Lions (historically) have not been a good team outside, and even if it isn’t going to be cold we have just stuggled outside of the domes. Thank god that most of the players we now have starting all played outside last year.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Sep 10, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is seriously good Smurf

if you do one of these for every game this season, I will love you long time. Could be even better if you added a photo here or there, add a lil’ flavor, you know?

by motown313 on Sep 7, 2010 3:00 AM EDT reply actions  

But I'll echo footstock

With your level of dedication and passion, you could start a blog, for real. People would read it man.

by motown313 on Sep 7, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am going to look into it.

Being a writer has been a dream of mine since I read my first hardcover book. Football came in a bit later as a passion but it is actually stronger than writing! I had never really thought of putting the two together and just kind of stumbled onto the PoD while looking for information before the draft. My biggest nemesis has always been confidence and now I am starting to get those wheels turning in my head, maybe just maybe it can happen. I am for sure going to look into it.

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 7, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW I have a feeling my biggest nemesis in the future will be....

SPELLING and GRAMMAR! HAHA!

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by Evilsmurf on Sep 7, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just do it...go for it Smurf....

Anyway……this is a must win game as any opener could ever be for CHI or else it’s going to get pure ugly on that team. To lose to the lowly Lions would push them over the edge.

Isn’t Urlacher hurt? Didn’t he get banged up a week a go or so?

One thing about Peppers…he’s getting long in the tooth and so is that D.

by delusional on Sep 7, 2010 10:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes Urlacher is hurt. He has not practiced much in the preseason.

Pretty much Urlacher their version of our Delmas. And their secondary is as banged up as our linebackers are.

I watched the first half of preseason game 4 Chicago at Cleveland let me say this much. Peppers looks very over paid. KVB looks way better on motor and run support, and believe it or not KVB was putting more pressure on Joe Thomas than Peppers was the Cleveland backup LT. Furthermore Clevelands Montereo Hardesty was running over the Chicago defense. Most of their linebackers and Tommy Harris were sitting though. Also the preseason game 4 is always a let down game for players not on the bubble.

38 year old Todd Collins was in there throwing for them and I have to say, Martz offense makes him look good, just like it did Warner and Kitna. If Cutler don’t work with Martz he already has his retread err, replacement waiting in the wings.

To go back to the Chicago D yeah they definitely look exploitable. It is preseason though and I am nervous that this has all been some sort of bait and switch master plan by the Bears to catch their first few teams off guard. Cutler said in an interview that Chicago has not even opened their play book in the preseason, that they are just running random base plays. Everyone runs vanilla but I cant help but to wonder just how vanilla they have been running and just how improved they might look on game day. It has me nervous but that is the life of a Lions fan :)

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by Evilsmurf on Sep 7, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take that "we haven't opened the playbook yet"...

Crap, with a grain of salt……

We heard all of that same shit years a go, and while it’s true not everything has been shown, all of these complicated Martz plays are all unproven with a new team, playing against live competition. Look for mistakes to be made.

by delusional on Sep 7, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

One thing is for sure, I am going to enjoy watching Chicago implode this year.

To me its not if so much as when it is going to happen. I would love nothing more than to be the catalyst to start them out wrong. One Bears fan said if they lose to us “the season is over”. That is the disrespect the general Bears fan has for us and I hope we make em pay for it.

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 7, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

hell man

That general disrespect is felt by every team in the league.

It is the burden we have to carry until we prove otherwise. This game is winnable and I too would love to earmark their season as ‘over’.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Sep 7, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Post game POD poll for Offensive/Defensive ST player of game?

Would you consider doing post game poll for POD’ers this season? Great write up smurf BTW.

Do you think the Lions could use a 47 yr old 220lb cornerback that runs a 5.02 40 that will take your head off?.........will play for beer!

by LonnieLion on Sep 8, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Appreciate Your Contributions To The POD, Smurf

You entertain and inform us on a regular basis, and I appreciate your efforts. I’m in agreement with most of your analysis, although I would say that it would surprise me if Best had a big day in his very first NFL game. I view this one as a true measuring stick to see how far we have truely progressed as a team, as preseason can’t possibly be viewed that way. I look forward to more of your insights and analysis. Thanks, bro.

by LionTarHeel on Sep 7, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the reply :)

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by Evilsmurf on Sep 7, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to ruin my next weekly post...

But I predict that Best will have over 100 yards rushing, and might top 150 all purpose…he is going to be BIG in this game. He is certainly one of the considerations for key player in this matchup in my opinion. I also believe that we will be able to throw the ball against the Bears.

Good write-up E-Smurf….I just wanted to remind you that the Bears do have Desmond Clark, and Kellen Davis…both are solid blocking TEs that can also catch the ball (much like Will Heller). I still agree that the Lions have the edge there, but I like to give credit where credit is due.

Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!

by KDawg on Sep 7, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with you on Best

The Bears just don’t have anybody who can cover him in the passing game, and he’ll get enough carries to get close to 100 on the ground. Him and Scheffler are going to dramatically alter the way we match up with the Bears D so that they have to change it up or get burned.

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 7, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 REV

Clark has been a Lions killer since he became a Bear. But we know TE’s just don’t get looks in Martz’s system. In every franchise that he has been in the TE’s have been nothing more than an after thought, which I don’t understand because he does not fit the QB that they have. Cutler likes TE’s and big tall fast WR’s and I don’t see that in chicago, they have fast little WR’s you take that and add the whole throw it at a place and pray that the WR is there and I can see us having at least 3 or 4 int’s before the day is over. GET BLY ON THE FIELD!

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Sep 10, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

We cut Bly...

Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!

by KDawg on Sep 10, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

KDawg...Davis a.k.a. the Choir Boy

He has been out of the loop for awhile.

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by JCruize on Sep 11, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Outstanding write up…

Please keep them coming. I expect to see one each week. Don’t let us down.

by Millen_Free on Sep 7, 2010 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Good job, Smurf....

but I’ll respectfully disagree with one major point… that the key to the game lies in the running attack. I think it comes down to the ability of the Lions to get “chunk” plays – 20 yards or more – to put the Bears’ into “panic mode” early . That means the battle of the Bears’ defensive line against the Lions’ offensive line is the key matchup to me. Let me digress….

The weakness of the Bears’ defense is clearly the secondary and the strength is cleary the line. If early on, our offensive line is effective in giving Stafford enough time to allow plays to materialize down the field, he will pick that defense apart. Our receivers, given the time to work the secondary, matchup very favorably to the personnel in the Bears’ secondary. If we can get enough chunk plays and go up early… say 10-0 or 14-0 by mid-2nd quarter, Martz will get fidgety and start dropping Cutler into 5-7 step drops. This is exactly what we want.

We all know what Martz likes to do when he’s on his heels… put everyone into patterns and keep only 5 in to block. Problem is, Cutler won’t have the time to allow the plays to materialize and the pressure will lead to sacks and if we are lucky, a turnover or two. This should start the snowball effect. The gameplan should be to hit them hard and early for big yardage and force them to play “Martz-ball” from behind.

What we don’t want to happen is to allow the Bears to stay in the game by allowing them to dink and dunk all the way down the field. If Cutler is allowed to take quick slants, screens and short dump-offs all the way down the field, he is good enough to pick us apart. We can’t play the “tit-for-tat” game. We need to come in and punch them in the mouth with our offense and force them to feel as if they have to get significant chunks of yardage on each play.

Our defense isn’t good enough to keep them down all game. Cutler is too talented and they will get in the endzone. I think if we can go up 14-3 at the half, it will force them to make enough mistakes for us to win by 24-17 or 27-23 or something like that.

by DrewsLions on Sep 7, 2010 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I think there are actually a lot of things that could emerge as key points

To me there are some other keys, such as if the Lions get a special teams or defensive touchdown, that will make it very hard on the bears to win. But I am not gonna hang my hat on that point, too risky.

The line match ups are always important and the only reason I find the Bears line backers to be stronger than their defensive line is the fact that you can run right at their pass rushers for big gains. It may surprise people to find out that the Bears were ranked 23rd against the run last year, allowing 126.4 yards per game, the Lions ranked 25th with 126.6. The Bears run defense last year was no better than ours. Their pass defense was actually ranked 13th in the league allowing 211.4 yards per game.

So the Bears went out and added Peppers, and it still sticks in my mind how New England beat Carolina in a super bowl by running right at him. A do not have the pay subscription to Pro Football Focus so I cannot see Peppers individual rating last year. But a quick check on NFL.com shows me that the Panther defense rated one spot better than the Bears at 22nd in the league allowing 124.8 yards per game. Nothing has really jumped up to prove to me that Peppers has fixed that hole in his game. I still think you can run all over him all day.

So I do not see the Bears defensive line as an all out strength, in fact, in the run game I see it as a huge liability. However you are right, that getting pressure on Cutler is going to be just as important as being able to run on them to open up our passing game. To go further with that line of thought I can totally see how the shock and awe campaign could be just our strategy for victory in Soldier Field.

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Sep 7, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree....The most important thing.....

Is no turnovers…DO NOT let that crowd into the game.

Were better then them in most phases of the game, just play our game and let them try to force the issue, let the D-line go to work.

by delusional on Sep 7, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You disagree, yet...

you say…

let them try to force the issue, let the D-line go to work.

Isn’t that what I just said? If they ending up getting behind, will they not start forcing the ball by using 5-7 step drops to try to pick up yardage? If they do that, will our defensive line not start getting pressure? Will that not likely cause turnovers or hurried passes, etc? Read my post again…….

Of course, turnovers always play a key role. I was simply debating the merits of the running attack being the key to the game.

by DrewsLions on Sep 8, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

You say "Our defense isn’t good enough to keep them down all game"

Nonsense, the biggest most improved part of this team will be the defense.Opponent Scoring should drop substantially, look for 24 points to be good enough to get through at least 8 games.

There is no comparison between what the Lions can do this year versus last.

Gone are the days when you need 40 points to win.

If the Dline depth is as good as it could be, meaning everyone playing full time, no taking plays off, then the Lions will win close games. IMO its good to not have to score so many points, its very good to bend and not break, as a clock managment tool. Scoring defense is how success will be measured, not total yards. Look for 30% of last years opponents scoring TD’s to be convertend into FG attempts, that single goal changes the outlook for this team big time. With the Special teamer from Buffaloe Wendelin, perhaps all these new FG attempts can be seriously negated. Wouldnt that be sweet?

Get to like lower scoring affairs, winning with defense can be just as fun as with offense.

by nubig10 on Sep 8, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

All due respect nubig10, but...

what exactly has our defense proven? The defensive line is an upgrade, but what about the rest of the back seven? This is a defense coming off like 3 years as the worst in the league. I’ll believe we are able to compete defensively when we have a good, consistent stretch of games holding decent offenses to minimal points. Until then, I’m realistic enough to see we have some significant holes.

Oh, how easy it is to look at the good and not the bad. Did you see the way both Cleveland and Buffalo attacked our first string defense? Dink and dunk, baby. The secondary is not good enough to cover quick passing attacks. You take away the time of possession and put the opponent in an early hole and they have to move away from the short passing/running game that is the Achilles Heal of our defense.

Actually, the best part of our defense may be our offense. If we can get up on the scoreboard and keep the time of possession in our favor by sustaining drives, we will be able to keep our first string d-line fresh and active. Personnel-wise, this defense is made for one thing… pressure. If we can’t get it or can’t score on offense, we are in serious trouble.

by DrewsLions on Sep 8, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've grown accostomed to seeing SUH and KVB

eat the dink and dunk routines, you have not seen Suh play in space, he’s very good, if the rest of the Lions D compensates for when he’s used to cover, watch out, stats will pile up for the other lineman and safties.

 Gunther knows what he’s got, and its special. You may be right that the offense will super productive, but the goal should be to become the most improved team for scoring defense, achieving that solves everything.

by nubig10 on Sep 8, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again... all due respect, but you have not...

seen Suh play in space with the Lions either. Don’t get me wrong, they will be improved, but the team’s identity is its offense. That’s where the talent is. We’re getting there defensively, but until the questions about players like Avril, Follett, Levy, Houston, Wade, Speivey, C.C. Brown, Berry, Alphonso Smith, etc… we don’t know what our defense will be capable of. With that many question marks, how can you pretend to know what they will do?

There are question marks on offense as well, but fewer, IMO. This is the very reason that I am tentative to predict that the Lions will win more than 6-7 games. To many questions……

by DrewsLions on Sep 8, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

funny that you mention that

I have not seen SUH play in space with the Lions, but niether have you. Gunther showed a pass rush that is it…got what a couple of quarters of play doing whats obvious….

Identity of Lions is changing….when and if the Lions go from near worst to somewhere near first in scoring defense top 7 will do it, you’ll change your mind about the Lions identity.

Gunther is a good D cordinator a tireless worker, if he can keep his ego in check, and let the talent work for him, Lions D will bring warm fuzzies to fans..

Lions need to use the defense in a bend but dont break fashion, cut points allowed, in doing that they give the offense a lower target to surpass, and they give you the reverse of the time of possession argument you believe in.

Defense is key to the season,cutting points allowed is the single way they can guarantee a winner. The capability of the defense is made or not by the sum of its parts, if we have some great players who provide the right example, the rest will go from good to better, very fast.

by nubig10 on Sep 8, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

PS

The saints are a perfect example of a bend but dont break defense, it reverses the logic of time of possession that so many gurus are convinced is offensive control of the clock….but in the right schemes, its anything but.

by nubig10 on Sep 8, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I'm not saying he's going to be a force against the short pass in space....

that’s YOU!! Lol… I’m saying it’s unknown… because I haven’t seen this unit play enough. I don’t think people read what I actually type… lol.

I simply contend that, especially on defense, there are just too many question marks for me to sit here and “pretend” that I know how good they are going to be. Honestly, I think they’ll be better, but I really don’t know yet. Just being honest. You seem to have a little bit more ESP….

by DrewsLions on Sep 8, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

WE need to not take stupid penalties

that’s what allowed the Browns to stay active. 3rd and long and we give up personnal foul flags, thats something that we can’t afford to do! The starters played agressive and I love that but how many times in pre-season did we let the other teams offence off the hook by giving them free first downs and 15 yards at a clip.

How many lumps you want Doc?

by davis0169 on Sep 10, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good post

I like these sorta preview match-ups, I think someone did them last year as well. I’m fairly comfortable in predicting a good game from us. If Stafford stays upright and Best keeps the line of scrimmage moving up the field, then I think guys like CJ, Nate, Grew and Schef could have big days.

I think our defence will probably be up and down. We should get some picks and sacks, but I also think they’ll break some big plays. I worry that it may become a high-scoring shootout with the winning points coming in the last minutes.

My prediction:

Lions 38 – Bears 31

RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 7, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

KVB

When you look at where KVB ends up after the initial snap and shed, he is consistently 5-7 steps behind the line of scrimmage. If this happens against Chicago and Martz’s 5-7 step drop back pass offense, somebody is going to have a big game. ESPN might actually say the word “Detroit”.

by rproulx on Sep 8, 2010 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Score Prediction

21 to 14……..lions

on our way to winning the most improved team for Scoring Defense.

by nubig10 on Sep 8, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Keys to winning (in order, my opinion)

1.) Outscore opponents
2.) Play like a team
3.) Protect the Rock
4.) Win the battle in the trenches
5.) Limit mistakes/big plays
6.) Execute big plays, capitalize on mistakes
 
I could type this up for every game and be good.

I agree that analyzing matchups is probably more productive than comparing QB’s, since they won’t be on the field at the same time. But of course, I’m too lazy to do so (and don’t have enough time). This is a great write up though. I think both teams have several favorable matchups and it’ll be up to the coaches to gameplan and make the adjustments to exploit that.

If you can't spell practise write, then dont repond!

by FMFDOC8404 on Sep 8, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Some interesting numbers concerning our D and the Bears O

Linky

My first response to those numbers, they are better already than last year for the Lions D and we have not had our whole starting D secondary playing at the same time.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Sep 8, 2010 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely concerned about the lack of coverage on D

We are going to need to be among the league leaders in sacks to cover up for the horrible secondary, and that still might not be enough.

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 9, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Game

I can’t wait for the game Sunday, our defensive line is going to do real some damage to Jay Cutler and Matt Forte.

by Detroitsportsfan3 on Sep 10, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

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