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Lions 2011 Free Agents

The Lions have several players that will be free agents this coming season.  Because the NFL is operating under the "final year" clauses of the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) there are different rules for free agency this off-season.  If you want an explanation of all the rules, you should refer to this excellent Q&A posted by Shaun

 

Sean's Q&A on Free Agency and the CBA

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Unrestricted Free Agents

Let's look at the unrestricted free agents first.  These are the guys that we can lose with no compensation, so it is an all or nothing proposition to sign them.

The toughest UFA decision is Nathan Vasher.  Vasher was not stellar, but he was better than most of the other Lions cornerbacks.  At this stage of his career, Vasher is a finished product ,so what you see is what you get. The problem with Vasher is that he might want to be paid like a full time starter in the NFL, but his play may not justify that.  Nathan has made a few excellent plays, but he has also been burned on some plays too.  I don't see the Lions signing Vasher to a big contract to play over Chris Houston or Alfonso Smith for the long term.  If the Lions sign Vasher it should only be for a one or two year deal.  Add in that the Lions are likely to draft at least one cornerback prospect and this decision becomes even more tricky.

The Lions should have only lukewarm interest in C.C. Brown during the coming off-season.  Brown was unable to keep his starting spot from being taken away by rookie Amari Spievey at one point during the season.  The play of Brown was inconsistent and if you are going to tolerate that, you might as well play a young guy that has a chance to improve with the playing time.  Brown has hit his ceiling and won't be getting any better.  Even then, he is one of the worst cover safeties in the NFL.  If the Lions sign C.C. Brown they need to get a bargain because he is more a depth player than a starter.  The Lions are better off by continuing to develop Amari Spievey and Randy Phillips instead. 

I do not expect the Lions to pursue Landon Johnson with much vigor.  The play of Johnson was uninspired before he suffered two concussions in three weeks and landed on injured reserve.  Bobby Carpenter was signed to replace him and showed much more potential.  The odds are very low that Johnson will be a Lion next season.

Jared DeVries is in the list of free agents, but his prospects to make the roster with the Lions are not good.  The Lions defensive line is just too young and too good.  Many expect that Jared will call it a career after two consecutive seasons on injured reserve.  But a guy like DeVries will have a hard time calling it quits.  It isn't in his nature to quit at anything.  Either way, the Lions are likely to be the only team that is interested if he decides to play.  He may get offered a one year contract to come to camp just as a retirement gift from the Lions.

 

Restricted Free Agents

The Lions can control the contract negotiations for these players by making a qualifying offer to them.  If another team makes them an offer, the Lions have the right to match it and keep the player.  If the Lions choose not to match the offer they would get a draft pick from the team that signed the player.  The compensation draft pick is based on the qualifying offer the Lions made to the player.  Thi8s is NOT a compensatory supplemental pick, that is something different.  This is the actual draft pick of the team that signed the player away from the Lions.

The players that will probably get some interest from other teams in the market are Cliff Avril, Chris Houston, and Drew StantonAndre Fluellen might also get a little interest as well.

Cliff Avril will definitely get a qualifying offer from the Lions.  Avril's 2010 cap number was $631,333 and that was a bargain.  Avril is going to get a nice raise this coming season.  A second round tender for a player with three years of service was $1.684 million last year.  If the Lions don't tender Avril at a second round pick, or higher, they may lose him.  But the Lions will likely match any offer made to Avril.  The only real question is whether Avril will sign his tender to stay with the Lions, or whether the Lions will sign him before they even have to tender an offer.

The Lions will also give a qualifying offer to Chris Houston.  His cap number was $550,000 last season.  Since Houston was a second round draft pick, the Lions will probably give Houston an original round tender offer.  That would be at least $1.176 million since Houston has four years of service.  The Lions will probably match any reasonable offer made to Houston but would take the second round pick if it got ridiculous.  Especially if they could sign Nathan Vasher cheaper.

Drew Stanton was at $1.052 million on the cap last season.  Since Stanton was a second round pick they would likely tender him at his original round for the $1.176 million.  The problem with Stanton comes in what other teams might be willing to offer.  He showed enough in the games that he played to draw some interest.  He might even be able to get more than the $2.08 million that Shaun Hill is signed for.  If Stanton gets an offer that is much higher than his tender the Lions are likely to let him go and take the draft pick.

The Lions will probably give Dylan Gandy a tender offer just to have him in camp.  The tender offer will likely be at a 10% raise over his 2010 salary of $1,176,000.  If the Lions draft a center then Gandy will probably be the casualty to make room for them on the roster.  But that also means that Gandy would never get paid most of the contract anyway.  The Lions might also keep Gandy and cut, or trade, Dominic Raiola if they get a rookie center that can win the starting spot.

There are several restricted free agents that might not get tender offers.  I am going to present those in a list for you to see why.

 

Player

Original Draft
Round

2010 Salary Cap Number

Original Round Tender Offer

Jerome Felton

5

$515,367

$1,101,000

Kevin Smith

3

$686,630

$1,101,000

Andre Fluellen

3

$640,417

$1,101,000

John Wendling

6

$545,000

$1,176,000

 

As you can see every one of these players would be looking at a large raise if they were to receive a tender offer, except for Gandy.  Most of these players will not generate a ton of interest from other teams if they are allowed to become unrestricted free agents.  The Lions will likely negotiate with them to stay with the team at a lower salary before the deadline for tender offers is reached.

I expect the Lions to make an effort to sign all of these players for camp.  The only question is whether another team will try to sign them as well.  The biggest risks are Andre Fluellen and John Wendling, and those are relatively low risks. 

Some teams might feel that Fluellen can perform bigger if he has a bigger role.  The question is how much cash they are willing to risk to prove that. 

John Wendling was nominated to be a Pro Bowl alternate on special teams.  He will not get much attention, but he might get some. I expect the Lions to be able to sign him. 

Kevin Smith has been hurt too much for a team to risk much on him.  He has more value to the Lions than he is likely to have to anybody else.

Jerome Felton just has not gotten enough playing time to make much of an impression on another team.

 

Exclusive Rights Free Agents

Stefan Logan, Zack Follet, and Caleb Campbell are exclusive rights free agents. Either they sign a new contract with the Lions or they will have to sit out the season.  I expect all of them to come to an agreement and be in camp.  That assumes that Follett is physically able to continue playing football.

 

Summary

I do not expect the Lions to lose anybody they cannot replace easily.  The Lions have the ability to match any deal to Cliff Avril and Chris Houston, so they should be able to keep both players. 

It would be nice to sign Nathan Vasher to a cap friendly deal, but if we don't there will be other free agent cornerbacks available. 

It might be better for the Lions if Drew Stanton gets an offer with another team.  Then the Lions can get the second round pick back that they spent on him and let Drew try for a bigger role someplace else.

Kevin Smith is likely to get a cap friendly contract to see if he still has something to offer in camp.  But he has to perform or he will get cut.  This would be his final chance.

After those players it would be good to keep Fluellen and Wendling for continuity.  Both players have contributed to the team and its success.

The Lions should sign Jerome Felton and Dylan Gandy to cap friendly contracts just to have them in camp and competing for a spot.

Jared DeVries should retire and get the nice watch and a good party from the Lions.  He has been a good player and deserves to go out with dignity instead of being beaten for a roster spot and cut.

The Lions should let CC Brown and Landon Johnson go to another team.

So there is the lot of them.  The Lions are actually in pretty good shape in terms of their own free agents.  Hopefully the Lions will be able to make free agency a net plus for the team this off-season.

Update...

There are some important dates on the NFL calendar and one of them snuck by without notice.

January 3, 2011 - Teams may begin signing free agents for the 2011 season.  This means that teams can sign their own free agents, not sign guys from other teams.

February 7, 2011 - The waivers system starts.  Teams can start waiving players and claiming those on waivers.  The Lions do not have such an advantageous waiver position this season so it will be harder to get guys off waivers.  We are likely to see some Lions get waived though.  Can you say Julian Peterson?

February 23, 2011 - The NFL Combine begins and runs to March 1, 20011.

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No other team...

will sign Drew and give up a 2nd round pick…lol.

I expect a lesser deal done and in the books before FA hits.

All this talk about drafting a “prospect” is a bunch of phooey in my books as the Lions QB situation is solid.

Franchise QB-check
Veteran Backup-Check
Younger developed Veteran backup(that could easily be resigned)- Check
Young Practice squad fodder QB-check

I don’t see drafting another QB unless a sweet deal falls to the Lions in the later rounds.

At the least, I don’t see Detroit tendering Drew as a 2nd round tender… the value just isn’t there. (had he been able to play the last 2 games with the same result; different story)

by CLF on Jan 3, 2011 3:31 PM EST reply actions  

all that being said...

The new CBA could turn Free Agency up side down.

by CLF on Jan 3, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Supplemental Pick

I think he means the Lions would get a 2nd round supplemental pick in the 2012 draft. I thoguht supplemental picks start in the 3rd round. I not quite sure how supplemental picks work but I think it has to do with losing and signing players in free agency.

by LionfaninPA on Jan 3, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm...

correct me if I’m wrong… but if a team puts a tender on a player and another team signs him… they have the right to match the offer… if not the OTHER Team gives up that draft pick. In essence, its similar to
 the ‘franchise’ tag.

It has nothing to do with Sup picks….. those picks come from the magic 8 ball on Goodell’s desk.

by CLF on Jan 3, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No, what I meant is...

The Lions will tender Stanton at the second round level because they must offer a minimum of 10% more than what he made the year before. If they tender him at the original round he was drafted in that would be a second round pick. The Lions must make a tender offer or Stanton becomes an unrestricted free agent and they can lose him for nothing.

At the point that Stanton is offered the tender there are several possible outcomes:

1) Stanton can accept the tender offer and sign for one year. In this case he will be a Lion next season. If Stanton accepts the tender, he will not do it right away because he will probably want to hear what other teams will offer. He can still sign the tender offer at any time before the deadline sometime just before training camp starts without any negatives.

2) Stanton gets an offer from another team and the Lions choose to match the offer. Stanton then remains a Lion under the terms of the contract offer that they matched.

3) Stanton gets an offer from another team and the Lions choose not to match it. At that point they will get the second round pick of the team that signs Stanton in the following draft. That would likely be a 2012 pick. This is not a compensatory supplemental draft pick, those are something different. They get the actual second round pick of the team that signed him.

4) Stanton refuses to sign for the tender offer before the deadline. At that point Stanton cannot receive offers from any other team. He would have to sit out the season until he chooses to sign the tender. As long as the Lions keep the tender offer on the table he remains their property.

5) The Lions decide not to tender an offer to Stanton, or withdraw their offer. In this case Stanton would be come an unrestricted free agent. But this one isn’t going to happen. It makes no sense for the Lions to do this.

I agree that the most likely scenario is that Stanton stays with the Lions. What I was trying to say is if Stanton does get an offer, the Lions are probably better off taking the second round pick. It probably won’t happen, but I am just talking about the possibility. Stanton is not going to pass Stafford or Hill on the depth chart. There are other third string QBs available. It really all depends on the terms of the offer to Stanton. But they are not going to pay Stanton more than Hill to be third string, which is $2.08 million.

by TuffLynx on Jan 3, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

We are about to see....

If teams are willing to give a second round pick for a castoff quarterback. Denver is asking a second round pick for Kyle Orton. While Orton has more starting experience, he has not exactly ripped up the league. Stanton has shown more ability to make things happen than Orton because he can do it with his feet. In a year when Vick and Freeman have done well, the quarterback that can run a bit is still accepted as an option.

I think that we can get some barometer of whether teams will be likely to give a second round pick for Stanton based on what happens with Orton. If the Broncos get multiple offers for Orton, that means there are a number of teams out there that may be willing to part with a second round pick for a quarterback and there may be a market for Stanton.

by TuffLynx on Jan 4, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

COME ON MAN!

Orton has started 61 games in the NFL and has a lifetime QB rating of 80. In 13 games this year he threw for 3653 yards and 20 TDs with 9 INTs.
Drew has started four games and has a lifetime rating of 63. In three and a half games this year he has thrown for 780 yards and 4 TDs and 3 INTs.
Drew is a couple of years younger, but no one in their right mind will give Denver a second for Orton, so how do you think Drew is going to get us a second round pick? If someone offered a fourth round pick I think I would do cartwheels.

by NorthLeft12 on Jan 4, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Orton is completely underrated IMO

Somewhere he’s going to be a winner.

The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.

by delusional on Jan 4, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

way to live up to your name!

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 4, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, if you say so.

The f-en guy was leading the league in passing half way through until Baby Josh started jacking around. I’m not saying he’s Brady, but he certainly is more then a stiff.

But your right, you the man.

The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.

by delusional on Jan 4, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I am saying I don't think that he is underatted

I am not saying he is bad… He gets about the credit he deserves.. for being a 10th-15th ranked QB in the NFL all things considered… throw some big yards, some TDs, throw some bad INTS and lose some games…

Hes somewhere between Jason Campbell and Jay Cutler

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 6, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Before you ask...

Here are the QBs better than Orton (all things considered… stats, leadership etc)

Brady
Manning
Brees
Rogers
Rivers
Rothlisburger
Ryan
Cutler
Cassell
Schaub
Freeman
Stafford
McNabb
Palmer

Guys in his league:

Garrard
Flacco
Campbell
Romo

Guys hes better than:
Sanchez
Young
Fitzpatrick
McCoy
Henne
Hasslebeck
Whitehurst
T. Jackson
Whoever starts in SF
Whoever starts in Carolina
Whoever starts in Arizona

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 6, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Orton is average.. and thats the credit he gets..

So he is correctly rated, not over rated..

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 6, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He's worth a 2nd rounder...

Especially if you look at all the teams that need a QB….

Carolina
Miami
SanFrancisco
Oakland
Seattle
Minnesota
Arizona

He’s a proven Starting QB with a winning record.

by CLF on Jan 6, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Tebow...

I hope Orton does get traded honestly… I wouldn’t give up a 2nd for him… but I can see how a team might…i think it would be a mistake.

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 6, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

His stats are inflated by being behind...

See Kitna…

His winning % is good?

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 6, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

hes 32-32 as a starter lol... nice

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 6, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty average.... exactly average actually..

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 6, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

agreed – your delusional Delusional if you think Orton is gonna win a SB (although who would have thought T Dilfer would have a ring……..who knows)

Come on Lions! Its a 60 minute game!!!!!

by NYCLionsfan on Jan 7, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

All you have to do....

Is find the right fit and be a good game managing above average QB. I never said SB anywhere in my comments, but your right, who knows, eh?

You had Orton in a shitty situation in DEN put up some numbers and show he’s an above average QB.

The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.

by delusional on Jan 7, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you Delusional

Orton was solid this season, and he could succeed elsewhere if he doesn’t resign with Denver.

It's a terrible thing to have to tell your fans, who have waited like Detroit's have, that their team won't win it this year. But it's better than lying to them.
--Sparky Anderson

by KDawg on Jan 7, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, I just don't see anyone giving up a second for him.

I could be wrong. The Skins gave up a second for McNabb right?

by NorthLeft12 on Jan 4, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

2nd and a 3rd...

But McNabb was much better IMO… and still is.

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 6, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Totally agree. I bet Arizona would be a different team with him.

by coolbreeze42 on Jan 4, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

That and MN are front runners in my mind of where he could likely go. 49’rs would be on that list but it’s too early to say what type of QB the new regime will desire.

They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!

by Ee Oulo on Jan 5, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree!

I too think Orton is underrated. If he can get into the right place I agree he’ll be a winner.

I’ll add that I don’t think a 2nd for him is out of the question. Yes, it’s more likely a team will get a bargain with a 3rd tho. I don’t see Stanton being anywhere, I mean ANYWHERE, near the value of Orton so I think somewhere between a 4th and a bag of footballs as most likely. Now I thought they could not offer him a tender and let him walk tho which would lead to a compensatory pick which would yield the best pick for the Lions.

They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!

by Ee Oulo on Jan 5, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

My argument has nothing to do with North's comments...

I totally agree… no one is giving a 2nd for Orton and they certainly aren’t giving a 2nd for Stanton… I would be ecstatic with a 4th honestly

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 6, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Mayhew would have change his undies

if a team offered a 4th let alone a 2nd. We got Hill for what, a 6th or 7th? And Hill is actually a veteran with a decent record and stats. I don’t want to get into a Hill v Stanton argument again, but I really really don’t think we are going to get much value out of Stanton. I hope I’m wrong, and I will put my trust in Mayhew until he proves me wrong

by Suhper Megatron on Jan 7, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

FAIL!
Stanton has shown more ability to make things happen than Orton because he can do it with his feet.

by CLF on Jan 4, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

If so, maybe Denver will trade us Orton for Stanton lol

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 4, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Orton is more proven

Stanton has shown promise though.

by coolbreeze42 on Jan 4, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

LOL CLF

Come on Lions! Its a 60 minute game!!!!!

by NYCLionsfan on Jan 7, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

-1

Can you do that? not sure, but that is seriously a retarded statement..you would honestly take Stanton over Orton? Yikes…Orton put up some MONSTER numbers this year and Stanton…ehhh…well the team actually won while he was in, but who knows how much of that was Stanton (not much IMO)

by Suhper Megatron on Jan 4, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

See above..

Orton is average… he put up numbers like the year Kitna put up 4k yards here… when teams score 30+ points every week, you throw alot… Sell that Orton is a stud crap some place else…

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 6, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I completely agree

I don’t think Orton is anything but average, but I don’t think Stanton is either. I wouldn’t give anywhere near a 2nd for either one of them. You know its the offseason in a Lion’s chatroom when we are arguing about whether Orton or Stanton or better haha

by Suhper Megatron on Jan 7, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

na

they dont want stanton cus injurys they want to lose all the injury pron guys besides stafford

and btw vasher is decent at best i could care less if they resigned him or not

by Daniel Simonelli on Jan 8, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

it didnt fully read jut look at the links.. but logen is a FA as well

"things not to talk about with people RELIGION,POLITICS,k. smith,FINANCES"
sandvet Sep 2010

by det32 on Jan 3, 2011 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

Logan is an exclusive rights FA thankfully

I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.

by Wayne Fontes on Jan 3, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You made my evening.

The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.

by delusional on Jan 3, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

no kidding

I’m used to the Lions starting drives on the 30 now, so losing logan would hurt

by Suhper Megatron on Jan 4, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I missed putting Logan in....

bad mistake but I have fixed it.

Logan has two years of NFL service so he is an Exclusive Right FA.

by TuffLynx on Jan 3, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Great summary

This clears up who on the Lions is what kind of free agent I like your bottom line, “I do not expect the Lions to lose anybody they cannot replace easily.” My biggest worries were Avril and Houston glad to see that they are restricted. Thanks also for linking the Q&A from Sean. However, the Q&A is from last year.

Anyone know if in March there is no CBA can the clubs talk to players anymore?

The draft is no longer the most exciting time of the year.

by Hungry Lion on Jan 3, 2011 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah..

Sean’s Q&A is from last year but it tells you what the rules are fro the final year of the CBA, which is this year. So it still has the right info in it.

by TuffLynx on Jan 3, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta keep Cliff, gotta keep Logan

Vasher came in with a terrible rep but I think has played somewhat better than terrible. (He tried to give minny one yesterday though) and I think should be given an opportunity to continue to redeem himself, albeit on the cheap . Im sure not sold on Houston. He gets caught looking into the backfield too often, imo to be a starter. The others are just bodies with a slight advantage of having spent time in the system. Ive always been a DeVries fan and hope somehow an inspired act of God lets this guy get one more year in for us.

by YpsilantiJeff on Jan 3, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

100% agreed

Logan and Avril are musts. They played so freakin well this year. I would keep Logan over Avril though if had to make that choice

Come on Lions! Its a 60 minute game!!!!!

by NYCLionsfan on Jan 7, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Vasher on if the price is right

The way he played at the end of the year is deserving of another shot.

CC Brown should be gone unless he wants to try to convert to some kind of hybrid linebacker. He definitely brings the lumber but it’s useless if he can’t cover anyone.

by WestsideLionsFan on Jan 3, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

His tackle on Ronnie Brown at the end of the fins game is reason enough

by Suhper Megatron on Jan 4, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

ha, maybe not

but making one tackle qualifies him for being on of our better performing DBs. Seriously though, he showed some spark this year and deserves a chance to compete for the nickel/backup CB spot next year IMO

by Suhper Megatron on Jan 5, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry for being a smart ass SM. I agree with you actually.

Vasher has been okay, not great, at corner for us. I would like to see him compete with Aaron Berry, Alphonso Smith, and whoever else they dig out of the draft or Free Agency for the corner spot opposite Chris Houston.

by NorthLeft12 on Jan 5, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Keep Landon

Guys was good for use we need linebacker depth like we have on the front four.

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. - Mike Singletary

A man with Vengance in his heart is suppose to dig two graves. One for his enemy and one for himself.

by The Profiler on Jan 3, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Guy was good for backup use...

I don’t think he played that bad

Cannot play with them. Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. - Mike Singletary

A man with Vengance in his heart is suppose to dig two graves. One for his enemy and one for himself.

by The Profiler on Jan 3, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his career is in jeopardy due to his injury

I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.

by Wayne Fontes on Jan 3, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I hadn’t hear anything on LJ so I dunno what happened with him

The players are buying in and we have a bright future- (The Pain Train) Zack Follett.

by The Profiler on Jan 4, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yahoo has this
Landon Johnson, an unrestricted free agent after this season, was placed on injured reserve after suffering his third concussion of the season last week. “I’ve never had problems (with concussions) like I’ve had this year,” said Johnson, who started both at inside and outside linebacker for the Lions this season. “I’ve had them sporadically over the years like everybody else, but this year way more than usual.”

The players are buying in and we have a bright future- (The Pain Train) Zack Follett.

by The Profiler on Jan 4, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Good post

RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.

by Hyperion Ecta on Jan 3, 2011 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, good post!

The NFL is QB starved in 2011. Teams like Titans, Cards, and 49ers would love Stanton. You can also throw in Carolina, Miami, and even Seattle into the mix.

by mikeyclaw on Jan 3, 2011 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

Seattle gave up a lot for Whitehurts...

If we could get that 4th and 3rd for Stanton that would be awesome!

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 6, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm lovin' your writing, Tuff

good stuff all-around. The only thing I probably disagree with is your evaluation of Landon Johnson; while he may not have been spectacular he was at least mediocre while dealing with injuries, and I think he’s a solid backup. I personally am for keeping Johnson and Carpenter and cutting ties with Julian Peterson, as he hasn’t played anywhere close to what he’s getting paid while he’s been in a Lions uniform. Whether that’s finding somebody to take him off of our hands for a low round pick or just cutting him outright, the money we’re spending on him would be much better used elsewhere.

But overall, great post, Tuff. Keep up the good work buddy.

by motown313 on Jan 3, 2011 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

I would not be too surprised...

if the Lions choose to tender an offer to Landon Johnson. Yeah, he might have been hurt, but this was easily the worst season of his career. I think the Lions were expecting him to make more of an impact. But maybe he will stick around after all.

by TuffLynx on Jan 3, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops...

Landon Johnson is an UFA. So it has nothing to do with a tender offer. It is just a matter of whether the Lions want to pay what he is asking.

by TuffLynx on Jan 3, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd let him slide.

Between injury and nothing special, there has to be multiple equal choices out in the market.

The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.

by delusional on Jan 3, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Cliff, Houston and Logan will be back...

Heard that JP is already done in Detroit so look for the Lions to be aggressive in FA and land a player like Greenway.

CJ81, BEST and SUH to the PRO BOWL....

by SmittyJ on Jan 3, 2011 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

you have a link

to where you heard JP is done in Detroit?

by CR on Jan 3, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank god

I wouldn’t have an issue with keeping JP if he was being paid reasonably, but for a former multiple pro-bowler playing behind one of the best D-Lines in the league his production was pathetic for somebody making $8 million a year. I wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors, I’m just glad they won’t be with us.

by motown313 on Jan 3, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

WWW.get_the_F_out_sandbagger.com

I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.

by Wayne Fontes on Jan 3, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

lol

The players are buying in and we have a bright future- (The Pain Train) Zack Follett.

by The Profiler on Jan 3, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Post TuffLynx,

I really hope we keep Avril and Stanton. I’m interested in Vasher and Houston if they don’t cost too much. I think Houston would be good as our #2 CB. We really need a true #1 CB though.
I’m sure we can keep K Smith and Wendling if we want to.

by coolbreeze42 on Jan 3, 2011 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

Houston is a fixed price...

Unless somebody makes an offer to Houston that the Lions would have to match, the tender offer to Houston would have been $1.176 million last season, I expect the amounts for the tenders to go up a little for this season though. So I would say maybe $1.25 million. Either of those numbers is a substantial raise for Houston but there is no way around it unless the Lions choose not to tender an offer and take their chances that they can sign him as an unrestricted free agent. That could backfire though if he gets multiple offers and a bidding war starts. I don’t think Houston will command that kind of attention but strange things happen sometimes.

by TuffLynx on Jan 3, 2011 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

Agree 100% on DeVries

He’s one of my favorite Lions, and for years was the only ex-Hawkeye on the roster. I’d love it if he could stay around for depth, but seriously, who gets cut now so that he can stay? I’d love to see him retire as a Lion, and not end up being cut just as the team starts tasting success.

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by Mogwai on Jan 4, 2011 12:38 AM EST reply actions  

I agree, there isn't a place for him here anymore

Not because he’s a bad player, but just because of how far the line has come since 08 and 09.

by WestsideLionsFan on Jan 4, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't rec it...

Because unless a player is released…. Nobody knows what’s going to happen when Free Agency ends on March 4th.

Restricted rules could change….(3,4, 5 years)

Franchise tags could change…

The 2010 Season doesn’t end until March 4th… so this entire post is based on what could happen on the 5th, if the CBA stays exactly the same as it is now.

I’m not trying to be a jerk… just pointing out that Avril, Stanton… and anyone else with 3,4,or5 years of service in the NFL…..their status is factually unknown right now.

by CLF on Jan 4, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You sure showed him.

Your first comment on this site. And that is it???? - JCruize

by Eddie Apoc on Jan 5, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Post TuffLynx

I always read fanposts and comments without commenting that often myself.(I’m just not as smart or funny as most of you),But these are the type of articles I like to read.Very informing without looking all over the internet.KEEP IT UP GUYS !!!!!

Cory Smith

by cmonee on Jan 4, 2011 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Nice post lynx.

Rec’ed Thanks cleared up a lot of my questions.

Your first comment on this site. And that is it???? - JCruize

by Eddie Apoc on Jan 4, 2011 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

Nice post

I dunno how I missed it till now.

I have full list of Lions Free Agents (based on old CBA) on my site:
http://www.thehouseofspears.net/2011/01/previewing-2011-free-agency-for-lions.html

The beginning of the end of the misery

by Latif Masud on Jan 4, 2011 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

here are some I'd be interested in

not sure how accurate the list is but says they are unrestricted.
Logan Mankins #1 Gaurd NE
Plaxico we all know this guy. what a better #3 WR to make a come back
Mike Peterson LBer ATL
Stephen Cooper LBer SD
Dhani Jones LBer CIN
like i said im not sure if the list was accurate but these are some names that caught my eye that werent listed as restricted. if Bernard Poulard*& Paul Posluszny wasnt on the restricted FA list he would make my list

by mochaj on Jan 4, 2011 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

Dhani Jones?? lol

Didn’t we just get rid of an old and slow LB’er?

Plaxico?

 Mike Peterson, Stephen Cooper? You got a thing for old LB’ers? This is some Millen type stuff.

The only legend around here is the one that exists in your own mind.

by delusional on Jan 4, 2011 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

the 2 LBers i would really be interested are listed as

Restricted free agents. they are Posluszny and David Haris. if i read the article right these 2 could be unrestricted FA depending on the new CBA. Why not Plax? yes hes old but id rather have him for a number 3 than our current #3. and he would be cheap

by mochaj on Jan 4, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If we don't tender Wendling or Felton, they are gone for sure.

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Jan 4, 2011 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

THE MUSTACHE....

Debunks this thread….

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2011/01/labor_dispute_keeps_several_de.html

Players in LIMBO….

Here’s a list of Lions players who fall into each category. The restricted and exclusive rights category is not expected to change, which means it’s highly unlikely any of those players will leave the team.
Restricted or exclusive rights — RB Kevin Smith, DT Andre Fluellen, DE Cliff Avril, FB Jerome Felton, T Corey Hilliard

Four year veterans — CB Chris Houston, QB Drew Stanton, DE Turk McBride, K Dave Rayner, S John Wendling, CB Brandon McDonald, WR Brian Clark, CB Tye Hill

Five year veterans — LB Bobby Carpenter, G Dylan Gandy

Six-year veterans (and beyond) — Safety C.C. Brown, CB Eric King, CB Nathan Vasher, LB Vinny Ciurciu, LB Landon Johnson

by CLF on Jan 4, 2011 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

Glad to see Cliff is restricted

I am sure he gets a new contract but that gives us a saftey net

The players are buying in and we have a bright future- (The Pain Train) Zack Follett.

by The Profiler on Jan 4, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yes he does

glad to hear it too

The players are buying in and we have a bright future- (The Pain Train) Zack Follett.

by The Profiler on Jan 4, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think Cliff might be traded.

It’s not that I want to get rid of him. I don’t. I think some of Suh’s sacks were a direct result of a Cliffie Speed rush fprcing the qb to step up where the DROY was waiting. He did the same thing a few times last year cept noone was waiting. I just think he’s the most tradeable player we have that could bring value in another position. We do have other DE"s that can play well it seems. Probably not as well but if we could get a good strong or weak side lb in return plus maybe a mid level pick Martin would consider it I think..
Still when all is said and done I hope he’s a Lion for many years. If there are good times ahead for this team he has earned participation in them.

J P

by Justan Oldfart on Jan 4, 2011 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

I just don't see that happening

I would be suprised if traded any starter on the team from this year outside of maybe Peterman or Dom if there is any value there. Or one of the 2 backup QBs. I also don’t see to many teams that are likely to look for a starting DE via trade considering there are so many good ones in the draft this year. I won’t say never I just can’t imagine that situation unless someone was willing to overpay and that dosen’t happen unless your jerry jones.

The players are buying in and we have a bright future- (The Pain Train) Zack Follett.

by The Profiler on Jan 4, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You might be right

I doubt either Dom or Peterman would bring much though, Peterman’s coming off a mostly bad year and Dom’s age restricts his value tradewise. Martin may hafta consult the rabbit in his hat and come up with something. I’m just thinkin out loud really.

J P

by Justan Oldfart on Jan 4, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

you don't see the good teams trade away their good players very often

I think Detroit is in a position to keep players that are good and proven
rather than try and stockpile picks and prospects right now.

You don’t even see players traded that much and with a lock out looming
(damn the Lions’ luck) I don;’t see a lot of player trades.

by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Jan 5, 2011 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

But Detroit is not yet a good team....

Sure, they are getting there. But they still have a ways to go.

The reason that you do not see a good team trade away their good players is because they do not have good odds of getting good value for them. The New England Philosophy is to build a young player behind every starter that you can. If the young player becomes better then the current starter then you have a proven NFL starter you can trade. So the Pats tend to trade the older veteran when they are pretty sure they are going to sit the bench anyway. In that case you get the highest value for the old veteran before you bench them.

by TuffLynx on Jan 6, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Paul Posluszny THIS IS WHO WE WANT #1 target this offseaosn

Height: 6-1 Weight: 238 Age: 26

2010 Buffalo Bills Games 14 COMB 151 Total tackels 103 AST 48 Sacks 2.0 Pass def 4

perfect next to levy

Wade you suck

by DetroitLions 4 life on Jan 6, 2011 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

Poz would be good...

but then we would have to move Deandre Levy to the outside. The big question is whether Levy can adjust to an OLB position as well as he has adjusted to MLB. His speed will be more challenged as an OLB, so there is no guarantees.

by TuffLynx on Jan 6, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at LB in the draft

don’t like Poz – isn’t he injury proned?? I like Levy in the middle anyway.

Come on Lions! Its a 60 minute game!!!!!

by NYCLionsfan on Jan 7, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

why not keep levy in the middle i dont understand why we would move him or why everyone wants too, he is soilddddddd

OFF SEASON WISH LIST= Paul Posluszny ,LaMarr Woodley , BPA 1 RD(Ryan Kerrigan), safety 2nd RD 3-7 BPA
RESIGN Avril, Houston, Logan,

by DetroitLions 4 life on Jan 6, 2011 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

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