Detroit Lions Trade Jerome Harrison, 7th-Round Pick To Eagles For Ronnie Brown
The Detroit Lions were expected by many to go out and find a running back at the NFL trade deadline, and that's exactly what they did. ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that the Lions have traded running back Jerome Harrison and a 2013 seventh-round pick to the Philadelphia Eagles for running back Ronnie Brown.
The Lions originally picked up Harrison in training camp after Mikel Leshoure went down with a season-ending injury. Harrison and Mike Bell signed shortly after, and Harrison won a spot on the team with his play during training camp.
During the 2011 season, Harrison only appeared in four games for the Lions. He rushed for 41 yards on 14 attempts and hasn't had a carry since Week 3 against the Vikings. He became expendable, and the Lions obviously believe Brown will serve as an upgrade, which is why they sent Harrison to the Eagles. (Side note: This is the second straight season Harrison has been traded to the Eagles. He was dealt to Philadelphia almost exactly a year ago by the Browns.)
Brown joined the Eagles after spending six years with the Miami Dolphins. He has only rushed for 38 yards on 13 attempts this season. His most notable moment this year was his puzzling fumble on the goal line against the 49ers. Hopefully things will go better for him in Detroit.
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I'm liking this trade...
I think for the value, Ronnie Brown was picked up very inexpensively. And he’s a solid vet. I think with our passing game, it could help him more than in Philly.
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I spent all day waiting......
Waiting to hear that Mayhew pulled off one for a “power back”. Oh well.
This is a good cheap trade, but not what we need to upgrade our running game,
and not be a one dimensional offense. Had to do something though with Best
seemingly owning the current Lion’s injury bug. We’ll always be in games with
Staff, Calvin, Nate and our D. We aren’t the door mat anymore, but we won’t be
winning divisions or go far in the playoffs, without a solid running game.
All in all, a good trade.
Expectations don't produce!
I love this move
Ronnie is no doubt an upgrade to our power game. Even though his blocking isn’t ideal up front. We had showed intrest in him before and with MoMo and Kieland the depth behind best is promising until we can get Leshoure back. Another fantastic move by Mayhew.
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by The Profiler on Oct 18, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Any news on Best
headed to the IR? still a rumor at this point.
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No out for a game or two at most
Might even start on sunday.
So unless the FO is keeping it a secret I doubt it.
This move didn’t have much to do with the Best injury, more as an upgrade to our depth.
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I doubt it
That’s a rumor that was manufactured by people that have no idea what they’re talking about.
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by Sean Yuille on Oct 18, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't there some over-arching rule though that a player who receives X number of concussions in the same season
is forced to the IR? Or am I making that up? With all the attention to concussions, I thought that players who continued to be concussed throughout the course of a season were eventually required to be pulled from the active roster.
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I don't think so
Aaron Rodgers had two last year, right? He went on to be the Super Bowl MVP.
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that wouldn't really make sense
There are different levels of concussions and each person deals with them differently. What has changed in recent years is that league doctors decide whether or not a concussed player is cleared for play versus team doctors
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never know with the NFL these days
lol
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Maybe some of that Dream team mojo can rub off on us now.....oh wait.
Seriously though, this is nice but it doesn’t matter unless we traded for some guys who can open up holes.
I agree
Need O-line help
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Better than the alternatives
and he’s cheap too!
What is it with the Eagles and Harrison?
Trade for him, cut him, and then trade for him again? That makes no sense.
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Did you see the play Brown made
against the 49ers? The writing was on the wall:
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I’ve had the displeasure of watching Ronnie Brown the past three months or so and let me tell you, there is a reason you’re getting him this cheap. He looks like he is running on sand this year, he has zero explosiveness, he goes down on first contact and he makes no one miss. If you’re going to rely on him heavily, you’re in trouble because he isn’t even close to what he once was. He lost his job to Dion Lewis, a rookie who has outperformed him in every way imaginable. Ronnie Brown did nothing well, not running, not catching or blocking.
But thanks for the draft pick and Harrison. Harrison has proven his worth in the Eagles’ scheme and I like draft picks.
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You guys traded away Harrison before....
Didn’t seem to be too impressed with him then. And the entire Eagles team looks like they are playing in a sand box. no offense, just saying.
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Eagles traded for him last year
They didn’t trade him away.
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Not playing in a sandbox. Running on sand. Have you ever tried running on a beach? Tough stuff.
Ronnie Brown has lost any semblance of explosive ability. He is slow and not dynamic.
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Yeah, but
He played under Linehan in Miami when they went 9-7 and he played pretty good from what I remember. He wasn’t in a good place there in Philly, maybe he didn’t like playing 2nd fiddle, maybe didn’t fit the scheme, or maybe he just didn’t fit in the locker room. Who knows, but I do know that if he returns to his Miami form in Detroit then you guys are in the lost list of gm’ who got mayhew’d.
I think Brown fits what we do better here and will be a good compliment to Jahvid Best. Good luck with Vick and the Eagles in that wide open division.
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by DLions4Eva on Oct 18, 2011 8:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are welcome...
A seventh rounder…not a great value especially if we make the playoffs.
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by "Mayhew"ized on Oct 18, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re currently starting 3 7th rounders on our defense.
We make our 7th rounders count!
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LOL
Hows that defense going anyways? ( kidding)
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by The Profiler on Oct 18, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Depends. Do we get to play Rex Grossman?
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nope
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by The Profiler on Oct 18, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Being completely serious, I’m in wait and see mode. We’ve played 6 good quarters of defense in a row against the Bills and Redskins. I’m interested to see how they stand up to Tony Romo and the Cowboys’ passing attack. We seem to be improving lately. No one is going to confuse us for the Gang Green defenses anytime soon but it’s getting better. You can see the linebackers and safeties getting more comfortable and that is helping a bunch.
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Well it is Romo
trust me he will give you plenty of chances lol. I hope you guys wreck them I hate the cowpies
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by The Profiler on Oct 18, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I sure hope so. Especially after what Rob Ryan was yapping about during training camp.
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Fat jesus has no bearing on the game of football! fuck him and his foot fucking brother.
by Michael21 on Oct 18, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We don't need explosiveness.
Nor will we rely on him heavily. We just need some dude who can push a pile and hold onto the ball. You’ve essentially been given a seventh rounder for a former first rounder; I’m okay with this on all levels. Not excited, just okay.
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Let me paint a picture for you of how well he pushes the pile. He got 7 carries in the red-zone and gained 1 yard while fumbling once as well.
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Pushing the pile doesn't imply redzone.
Or even short yardage situations. We have receivers to throw to in the red zone; Calvin Johnson, you might have heard of him? He’s pretty good with jump balls.
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You aren't just upset with him for that costly fumble, are you?
Honest question. Not facetious.
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I was really, really confused. Normally I would be super mad but I kind of stared at the screen for a little while trying to understand what just happened.
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That was bizarre, no doubt.
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I think all Lions fans have done that a few times over the past couple of years.
by DetfaninDenver on Oct 19, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Everyone
Hates the player they just traded away and sees nothing but optimism in the player they just traded for. Have a nice day.
I’m not just hating the guy that got traded away. His career is done. He is living off of what he used to be. There is a reason that the Dolphins let him walk and the Eagles traded him for peanuts, he is done.
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Who knows?!?
There are a lot of players that played in certain systems that were “done” and then a change of scenery helped them tremendously. I still think he has a real shot at contributing on this football team.
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by "Mayhew"ized on Oct 18, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Fans of both teams think they got the better end of the deal because
they’ve been watching their former player either stink it up or ride the pine. In reality, if either player is even remotely productive then it’s an upgrade. Once again, both teams gave up less than productive players. Detroit gave up a seventh (how often do they pan out?) as well.
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Just playing the Devil's advocate
Willie Young was a 7th rounder
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So was Tim Toone.
Everyone knows there’s exceptions, but for every Tony Romo there’s a thousand guys I could name and you would never be able to tell whether they were in the league ever or are just made-up names off the top of my head.
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by Mavyrk on Oct 18, 2011 8:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but as the scouting department choices seem better
the later picks seem better too
Tim Toone was a fan fav, but the WR got deep
if we play Ronnie like we played Jerome,
I’d prefer the draft pick, since it doesn’t seem like we are using anyone else much
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Oct 18, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So we trade one unproductive back for another
We’ll see how it all shakes out. Neither guy was performing, this could be the spark they both needed.
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Here is the deal
We practically gave up nothing for him, a 7th rounder next year? No big deal. He is better than Jerome and the Eagles have a worse OLine than us(Never though I would say that). With our scheme he is going to be slowly brought in and could be like Kieland Williams a vital spark to our run game.
Remember he was the 2nd pick in the 05 draft and he has the talant.
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Look at his last year with Miami
forget Philly there a mess in alot of areas. The potential is there for production with very little pay out.
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by The Profiler on Oct 18, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes these trades work out because of a system
Linehan has worked with him before and may know exactly how to use him. Time will tell, and if he doesn’t pan out, we lost VERY little. Harrison wasn’t doing a ton.
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In the whole scheme of things all we gave up was a 7th rounder. Jerome would be the first back to be cut had we got him for only picks.
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And who knows
next year if Ronnie produces he will be 3rd to Leshoure. Just have to improve the blocking as I said earlier but we could have a nice group of backs next year.
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by The Profiler on Oct 18, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Michaeljames on Oct 18, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wondering the same thing
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4 followers? That's pretty sad, man
I have 11 & I’ve only tweeted once, and that was in Morse code.
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Eagles have a worse OLine than us(Never though I would say that).
I can safely say that isn’t true. Vick’s injuries are a product of him holding onto the ball for too long, scrambling and not throwing guys open. He is being given good protection back there. Jason Peters, Evan Mathis and Todd Herremans are all playing at a really, really high level right now and Danny Watkins is playing really well for a rookie guard. We just can’t run up the middle because Jason Kelce can’t generate a push in short yardage situations.
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I can also safely say that isn't true.
At least for run blocking. Philadelphia’s line blocks for the run better than ours.
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i have to agree
Jason Peters, Evan Mathis and Todd Herremans are all very good lineman
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A lot of it is the Eagles system...
Running backs like McCoy, Westbrook, Harrison work well you need to be able to catch balls out of the backfield and have a lot of quickness, not Ronnie Brown’s strong suit.
by jonathan.onne on Oct 18, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Harrison has done nothing for us
at least Brown gives us the diversity to even open up some wildcat as a trick play every now and again. It seems our offense is best at using the RB out of the shotgun, so i like the trade from that aspect, and we didnt really give up anything substantial, you can find just as many instances where a undrafted guy makes an impact as you can a 7th round pick
by forwarddownthefield on Oct 19, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh god. You should be praying they don’t make the mistake of trying more Wildcat crap just because Brown is in town. The NFL has it all figured out already.
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I hate the trade
I don’t care about value. The question is, how does he improve the running game? He might be able to pound into the defenders to soften them up for Best, but I still don’t see any significant yardage coming from Brown.
He very well might not pan out
but I don’t see how you can hate the trade. We’re essentially only giving up a seventh-rounder for him, so there’s very little risk involved here.
Eh.
I’m okay with this, whatevs.
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That is called
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You in Hueneme, Russ?
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Ronnie looks like a guy who needed a change of scenery
He just didn’t fit on the Eagles. This could be a great trade, remember, he is a former first round pick and he’s a pretty big back. If nothing else, we didn’t lose too much.
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I agree with that
He could resurrect his career in the D. Here is to hoping he does :)
by Michaeljames on Oct 18, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I AM STOKED
I honestly didn’t think they were that serious about getting a running back but they clearly are. Ronnie Brown is not only a better power back than Best, he’s got enough speed to go the distance. They could also put Best and Brown in there at the same time.
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i thought he was slow
no?
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by Latif Masud on Oct 18, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
im not displeased with this trade
It doesn’t work out, we gave up hardly anything for him. It does work out, we gave up hardly anything for him, and he helps our team….its hardly a loss in any ways
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Brown had 976 total yards from scrimmage. 5 TDs. He went to Philly and had trouble in their system. Coming to the D, where he has an OC he’s worked with before. We gave away nothing in real value for him. Good trade.
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feel like we gave away 7th rounder
Ronnie Brown might be something,but his fumble/pitch/whatever at the goal line vs the niners was terrible decision. If he’s the power guy, he wasn’t budging sf d.
He was a highpick, but to me, this trade feels very ea maddenesque more than mayhem but I will happily welcome him and hope I am wrong about the 7th rounder
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Oct 18, 2011 4:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Who cares about the 7th rounder?
The day our team is depending on that is never a good day.
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Willie Young was a...
ah well nevermind..
Are you saying we are depending on Ronnie?
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Oct 18, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
only bad teams can discount a draft pick....teams that say that have bad scouting departments
The Lions started to improve when the later round draft picks produced as well as the early ones…. sign of a good FO
that's why I am unsure about the trade
I guess I’d like Ronnie to produce as well as Willie
since Jerome really wasn’t in the mix.. and also that he will be better than Aaron Brown, and not just a guy who was drafted in the first round.
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Oct 18, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Think of it as we drafted Ronnie Brown with a 7th round pick...
if we were picking him in the 7th i would be ecstatic, he has a lot of potential, even if his career is winding down.
by jonathan.onne on Oct 18, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Um...
I guess if you want to consider a RB who’s turning 30 in December and who’s been significantly slowed down by injuries someone with a lot of potential then go right ahead, but I think it’s more likely that they’re hoping Ronnie can be a one-year stopgap until we get LeShoure back next season. Normally I’m not a fan of stopgap players, but seeing as we’re currently in position to make the playoffs, I can understand why we made the move.
by motown313 on Oct 18, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is no guarantee that Leshoure will be the same player.
I’m not feeling all warm and fuzzy about this trade, but I have to believe in Mayhew, so I’ll be optimistic about it.
If Brown helps us win one game, then I guess I won’t be upset with losing a pick. If it doesn’t, I believe the insight is here in identifying UFAs. On the surface, with Philly’s top-ranked rushing attack, I think about… if Brown couldn’t be productive behind that OL, does he have a prayer behind Detroit’s? Hopefully, he can in the Lions scheme, and this turns out to be a stroke of genius. Does this mean Keiland was a mistake, and is now taking Harrison’s spot? I guess we’ll find out. Brown’s only under contract for this year, so at worst case, we just lose another 7th round pick.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 18, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no guarantee that Leshoure WILL be a player
The grass always looks greener on the other side. We don’t know what Leshoure is capable of. He could be the next Louis Delmas or the next Derrick Williams. We’ll just have to waint and find out. In the mean time, we’re in the hunt for a playoff berth is god knows how long, so spending a 7th rounder to make us multidimensional never hurts, especially when you consider we might have to play at Lambeau twice in the winter this year.
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by Latif Masud on Oct 18, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
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It's a good gamble for a 7th round pick, but by no means,
is this any guarantee that the Lions become multi-dimensional with merely adding Brown, is it? Of course it isn’t! You gotta believe that the FO thought our OL adequate enough this season to make the playoffs, and I’m sure that was the objective for this season. If Brown does give us the things we expected from Leshoure to close out games, then mission accomplished; that would be a leap in progress, and much more than most expected.
I’m sorry, but I’m not getting the connection with either your “grass is greener” analogy, nor the revelance of injecting Louis Delmas or Derrick Williams into the conversation here, as it relates to Mikel Leshoure; neither suffered a torn achilles tendon. I have to respond with, “Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.” LenDale White might be more in the ball park, except that White was an established running back in the NFL, suffered his tear in the last pre-season in 2009, had to also sit out 2010, and with his release this fall, is out of football. These injuries have been rather rare in the NFL, and 33% never return. Those who do come back, find their performance significantly affected, as explosiveness is sapped, along with durability. The bottomline… if you have Mikel Leshoure in a Keeper League, the time to dump him was yesterday. At this point, holding out hopes of promise for Leshoure are much less realistic, than the hopes held for Derrick Williams; nothing anyone wants to hear, but based on statistical data complied from 2002-2009, with most of these coming at age 29, after enduring the rigors of stress on the tendon in the NFL. Mikel is younger, but to think he will come back with the same explosiveness is a pipedream, so add finding another Leshoure to the list, AFTER the OL is addressed… just sayin’…
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 19, 2011 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions
The Front office seems to think its the right gamble
and after so many great moves, especially through trades, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. The “grass looks greener on the other side” was simply an analogy that we think Leshoure is better than what we have right now because we don’t have him.
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I understand your line of thinking regarding giving the FO a pass...
But do they really deserve a pass when it comes to the whole lack of a running game and what they have given up and what really very little return we have gotten from their efforts?
In this one area it’s hasn’t just been a mistake(it happens), but their line of thinking should be open for question by taking RB’s before a running efficent functioning Oline was in place. So by the time the Oline is rebuilt those RB’s, will they still even be in the game?
RB’s are a dime a dozen, good centers, guards, and tackles are not, so why spend 1 and 2’s for RB’s when they should be spent on long careered line players.
With where our projected draft picks will be this year
And considering our needs, It will be a perfect year to draft O lineman. I will give them a pass because they were targeting the best talent for years. Now they need to mesh talent with need…. we need new, fresh blood on the oline (that are better than 4th rounders and below.
There is a couple of things we need to remeber
The most important of which is that this team was an 0-16 team just two seasons ago. A lot of players had to be moved, and we’ve had a ton of high draft picks, which have put a huge damper on our cap. With that being the situation, you have to pick who you want to bring in quite carefully, so it makes sense spending two high draft picks on running backs because they sign relatively cheap, long term deals as compared to what a free agent would ask for. The quality is better too. Case in point: Jahvid Best signed a 5 year, 9.8 million dollar contract at 21. Darren Sproles signed a 4 year, 14 mil contract at 28, and we all can agree Best is the better player.
The other thing to keep in mind is that this is a passing team. Our running numbers will always look horrible because of that. There aren’t many backs that will pick up 4+ yards when they are continually asked to run from the shotgun. The other thing to keep in mind is that this offensive line has done an excellent job protecting the quarterbacks. You bring in a new guy and screw with that kind of chemistry, it might end up hurting you more than helping even if the new guy is more talented on paper.
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by Latif Masud on Oct 19, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys know that Mayhew does not draft like that.
Best Player Available that Fits the scheme.
He won’t focus only on O Linemen, but I am sure that they will be ranked higher on our board than others.
And that is all the draft talk I can take right now.
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Despite ours, we are 5-1. Let’s enjoy the victories
I know that
I mean the pecking order of things.I’m pretty sure that there were quite a few BPAs that fit the Lions scheme, but guys like Leshoure and Titus were bigger needs on the roster then
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by Latif Masud on Oct 19, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
You also have to remember
that the Lions have Jason Fox coming off his foot injury and should challenge Gosder for the RT spot. He’s a 4th rounder with 2nd round talent but fell due to injury. Also, McClendon is a road grader with raw skill learning on the practice squad right now & can be called up at any time. The addition of Brown gives a stopgap player and an insurance policy IF LeShoure isn’t 100% next year. I don’t know what Brown has in the tank, and (like everyone else) will wait and see how he fits into the scheme for the Lions. If he can hit the hole and get to the second level on a consistant basis, then he’s an upgrade over Harrison. I still think that MoMo will get the bulk of the carries if Best can’t go on Sunday and KWill will get the short yardage attempts. Where does Brown fit in on Sunday?
I like the chance that the Lions could add a couple of wrinkles to the playbook using Brown and Best with Grew & CJ in the redzone. It wouldn’t be a staple of the offense, but it would add another element for the defenses to consider when gameplanning. How do you stop a jumpball pass to Calvin from the runningback? That’s gotta be a sickening feeling for a defense.
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by Detroitfantc on Oct 19, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Potential compared to other 7th rounders.
He is more likely to succeed and to a greater degree than most players drafted in the 7th round. He’s semi-familar with Linehan’s system, he had nearly 1000 yards last year and he fits what we need out of a runningback right now, even if Best is good to go. Also, by potential i mean potential to contribute, not to be a star. He is in no way the player drafted number two overall, but that doesn’t mean he cant be useful.
by jonathan.onne on Oct 18, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
he had good numbers in 09
not 10…just saying – he’s a full year and a half beyond decent production. Last year he was something like 3.7 ypc (where he usually was +4) so it appears he’s not the same pro bowl back he used to be…that said, he might still have some success here.
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MoMo got 5 yds a carry
and Yes SF defense is stout
it was more the odd decision to pitch the ball while being tackled in a pile of 49ers
that concerns me
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Oct 18, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The way I see it. Neither team really gave up anything. It’s just a move.
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I really don't see the point in this..
At this point I have a hard time seeing him being able to contribute anymore than Harrison would. I honestly would rather bring Aaron Brown back and save the 7th rounder
I was thinking Ian Johnson...
as I was for making the final squad, but I see SF signed him to their practice squad. I would have rather raided them instead; he was a pile mover, even with our OL.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 18, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this pickup
Typical Mayhew in that he got something for very little. Let’s hope Ronnie can do some damage to solidfy this as a full blown Mayhew.
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The way I see it
I’d rather have Brown for Harrison and a 7th than have given up Shaun Hill to Oakland for Michael Bush. Just my opinion
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Your probably right because until the Oline is rebuilt no back is going to have consistent success running the ball.
So at least we didn’t give up much for the next experiment as opposed to giving up our back up QB.
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The O-line has played well this year
I personally think Best has been hurting all season. He just doesn’t have a burst some games. It has to be the concussion issue. Something is wrong with him. he’s way too inconsistent. Brown should be able to hit the damn holes hard at least. Best is too small.
BINGO... too small for how they use him.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 18, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
and Harrison is only 200 pounds
So if 230 pound Ronnie can hit the damn hole 10 or 12 times for us and get some tough yards it will take a lot of pressure, and hits, off of Stafford. I’m rooting for the guy. IS IT SUNDAY YET?
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I'm just worried about Raiola getting squashed; when a DL-man is pushing him into the backfield.
Poor ViQueens... still an O-fer in NFL Championship games.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 19, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Runs should be headed
toward the right side of the line instead of behind Backus & Sims. Gos & Peterman need to move the pile. If you watch film on RBrown, he runs better to the right side of the line (in Miami). Most of the Lions successful runs are to the right side of the line as well. Best’s run was a result of a pulling Sims to the right side. Peterman can block down and help Dom, and Sims takes out the OLB while Gos handles the DT/DE. I expect to see more trap blocks and allowing the DE to be blocked by the TE 1 on 1. Allow Backus to handle the opposite side DT to keep him out of the play and the Lions should pick up 3-4 yards per carry. It’s about overloading the side you are running the ball at and forcing the backside of the defense to catch the back from behind.
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by Detroitfantc on Oct 19, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on the *should
but that’s dependent on a big IF. Because last year, that right side was ranked dead last in the league in run blocking. we got most of our yards to the left. I know the right side has been better this year, we need them to continue to get better because while Backus and Sims are okay at sealing their guy, they’re not going to push the pile very often….
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Let's hope after 6 games, this gets figured out.
These are the guys that the coaching staff deemed as the best, while we had plenty of players in here; they can’t all suck; at times they look good. I gotta ask this question though… is it normal for a lot of Centers, who are healthy, to have the plays designed with another player helping them out? It seems every time someone is describing an offensive play for the Lions, it’s always, “Well, Sims can help Dom here,” or “Peterman can help Dom there.”
Did all the other Centers we had around also need all this assistance? Oh WAIT… I forgot… he calls out the OL blocking, and is a captain. What’s next… Stafford has to help Dom on 3rd and a yard? Don’t get me wrong… I think he’s a nice guy.
Poor ViQueens... still an O-fer in NFL Championship games.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 19, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Another way to look at it is that
Had we aquaried Brown for just a pick we would still have cut Harrison
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Runnings backs
1) Best
2) Morris
3) Williams
4) Brown
Seems like a solid yet crammed stable of rbs. I much would have traded for a lineman that can run block.
So what pick is screwed up due to the tampering?
is it our 6th? its null if we make playoffs is that how its going down?
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 18, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That in itself
makes this a good trade. The Lions get a player they can use now, with a player in the wings for next season and only give up a backup RB immediately (down payment). The rest of the payment is deferred until 2013 when LeShoure is (hopefully) healthy and ready to contribute. If this trade works out and Ronnie can contribute at a quality level, then I can see the Lions cutting ties with MoMo and KWill in the offseason.
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by Detroitfantc on Oct 19, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Whole body of work
The Lion’s personnel staff looks at a player’s whole body of work – Brown is a productive vet, even though a disappointment as a 1st round pick – he has versatility – he has size – he was productive just last year.
On that disaster of a play for the Eagles this year it definitely looked like Brown was trying to lateral – which was stupid school yard football of course – but not completely crazy.
The dude weighs 230 – I hope he has enough tread left on his tires to get us through the year – he came to us extremely cheap.
MoMo has produced every time and everywhere he has had a chance – he will be the guy until the bye.
The Lions need to officially stop thinking that Jahvid Best is another potential Chris Johnson – Best is good for 5 receptions and 5 – 8 situational carries a game – that’s it – at least with this line anyway.
really, dude the 49ers lion is ELITE at stopping the run.
i think best should have a min. 10-15 carries a game…plus you can do so many audibles with him. He’s always accounted for by the other team when he is on the field. Between passing and running he has been pretty effective this year…
I actually think hes getting better at running through the tackels too.
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by Latif Masud on Oct 18, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO Best has the potential to be a more complete back that CJ2k
But has a weapon in the pass game and as much shotgun as we play right now he has to be on the field. One of are best threats on the field. Especially in the screen game.
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by The Profiler on Oct 18, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The concussions are going to get him.
I’m convinced that JB will be gone by the 2013 season. The hits he took Sunday were pretty pedestrian in the scope of things, if he can’t make it after them he’s going to have issues.
giving up a 7th rounder
for Ronnie Brown? Ehh its one of those you just cant tell yet trades.
But he can throw too right? ah ha..
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Eh, time will tell.
I’m sure he is better than Harrison…and a practice squad guy…Though, keep in mind that WIllie Young was a 6th rounder.
The see him fitting in somewhere. I trust Mayhew.
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I am of the opinion that
Ronnie Brown is here for depth, period. Jerome Harrison, for whatever reason, did not work out for our team. Same for Brown. Trade them for each other and hope the “fresher” start works!
The 7th rd’er is for Brown’s potential? not sure.
who’s going to block / open up holes for any of them?
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it’s a long pass to the post…
Calvin has an opening.
and catches it between 4 defenders
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by seabeeruss on Oct 18, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maurice
Really like Maurice. showed last year he can be a grinder and get those tough yards. We all want jahvid to be the feature back but till he proves himself i like the move to sprinkle in a few backs to get the run game sparked.
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Jahvid doesn't need to prove that he can be the feature back
he needs to prove that he can stay healthy, something that he’s had issues with thus far.
Agreed
Either way i like it the pick up, we have decent depth so anything Brown adds is a bonus. I don’t understand why Djacksfan or whoever feels the need to troll and hype of harrison. I think trade benefits both sides.
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Javhid shook the turf toe.
..The concussion is alarming, but he’s healthy aside from that. The O-Line needs to make holes for him, Jahvid needs to find the holes and try to avoid tackles. It’s up to Best and the O-Line how far he goes.
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Well...
… it’s his third concussion in two years, which is definitely more then you’d like to see from a smaller HB. But what concerns me more is that the hit in this last game that concussed him was a very normal, typical tackle; it wasn’t some huge hit, it was your average, run of the mill tackle:
Here’s footage of it.
If you watch, he really didn’t even get hit on either of those tackles, he just was wrapped up and fell to the ground. That he got a concussion from such seemingly innocent tackles makes me worry about his long-term prospects, and makes me wonder if his body will really be able to withstand the hits that come with being an NFL RB.
I hope that this was just a weird fluke concussion, but the realist in me thinks otherwise. Let’s just hope this doesn’t become a recurring thing.
they say
that the turf we have causes a lot of those when their heads hit it…like Rogers last year. That was an issue of him being taken down hard, but it was that he couldn’t protect his head from hitting the turf real hard…
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I understand
but I also understand that he’ll be playing at least eight games a year on said turf until he’s no longer a Lion.
Again, I’m not saying this will be a recurring issue… but I worry that it could be. Either way, thinking about it doesn’t do us much good. We’ve just got to pray to the Football Gods that it doesn’t continue.
Pretty worrying at this point.
I got the chills the moment after he was drafted and they showed him laying stiff in the end zone. Been concerned ever since.
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Proves himself
What team you watching? With him it’s strictly about health
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by The Profiler on Oct 18, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he sitll gets his oppotrunities
I really like him and believe he’s getting the shaft thus far.
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same here...
I just grabbed MoMo in fantasy football though since I think he’s the most likely to get a lot of touches. That said, he’s not likely to get more than 10-12 rushes all game. That said, I’ll be keeping a close eye on who seems to be in the mix for getting the majority of the touches. I really hope its not Ronnie Brown but only because I don’t think he’ll run that well in his first week with no time to get used to the way our run blocking (or lack thereof) progresses during a play.
That said, does anyone else think that not having Felton has impacted our ability to power run?
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we had an ability to power run?
I don’t believe him being gone has had much of a negative impact at all.
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Keiland
needs more carries
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by seabeeruss on Oct 18, 2011 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lets keep in mind...
…that the all of these things that the Philly fans are saying about Ronnie Brown, other teams fans said about guys like LoJack, Rob Sims, Alphonso Smith, Bobby Carpenter etc.
“He’s lost a step”
“He’s a bust”
“past his prime”
I’m not saying Ronnie Brown is going to all of the sudden be the answer to everything. But lets give the FO the benefit of the doubt, especially since it was only a 7th rounder and essentially “indian giving” Philly their own guy, for a guy who’s been a long term starting RB on another team. Philly probably has one of the wierdest offensive systems to learn, and with Vick it’s even wierder, so it might’ve just been a system issue that made Brown look bad so far this season. At least the Lions did something to address an issue, and didn’t do it for the price a team like the Raiders paid for Palmer.
Not to mention Ronnie Brown brings the threat of the Wildcat to Detroit, even if they don’t use it, opponents will have to consider it, making this offense even scarier.
agreed.
so far every trade or FA pickup Mayhew has made has turned out to be worth it.
Hill, Williams, Smith (though he isn’t anywhere to be found this year), LoJack, Tulloch, Durant, Wright, Houston,…Keiland to some degree, Bobby Carpenter, Rob Sims…..there really isn’t any reason to think this isn’t a good move, even more so no that Best has another minor concussion.
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Lets also look at
the o-line. R Brown may have success here. I hope he does. But the line only has 4-5 good plays in them in the run game. No line, no run.
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There will be no Wildcat.
The Wildcat offense is a gimmick that only worked for a couple of years because teams were unprepared for it; now that it’s out there in the open it’s nowhere near as effective. Also, Ronnie Brown no longer is a big enough threat running the football to run an effective Wildcat.
not saying they'll run it...
… just saying opposing d-coordinators now have to consider it… that’s what they’re paid to do. Also there’s really no way of knowing if he’s still a big threat or not, he wasn’t given a real shot in Philly to do anything behind McCoy and when he was in Miami last year, he rushed for 700+ yards which I’ll admit isn’t great but i’ll take it out of a #2 or #3 RB, but more importantly to this team, he’s a bigger RB with starting experience that played in all 16 games last season.
by wushu_master03 on Oct 18, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Man I couldn't give a measly fuck about what some Philadelphia fan says about a dude we got for a 7th rounder and an unused man
…it’s classic bullshit and fuckery to come over here and say “I enjoy draft picks” when we’re excited about a new player. Go the fuck back to your own SBlog with that.
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Speak for yourself
I think we got robbed. We wasted that pick on a guy who wont be able to find a hole like the rest of our rb stable.
by Usmarine0341 on Oct 18, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Speak for myself?
You bet your ass. Dude hasn’t even got his jersey yet. Admonish him all you want- I’m excited.
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The success rate is actually higher
for undrafted rookie free agents then it is for 7th round draft picks.
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Then we're screwed.
Because technically speaking, the 7th round pick we gave away is worth less than a UDFA from this year!
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Yes and no.
That’s playing with numbers really. There are a helluva lot more udfa’s in camps than there are 7th round picks.
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by Justan Oldfart on Oct 19, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah.
But then why are we attaching so much value to 7th rounders? They’re anywhere from 1-32 picks away from being a UDFA and out on the free market. No one can sit here and tell me in full truth that we wouldn’t have gotten Willie Young as a UDFA.
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Is the reason why people don't like the 7th rounder thrown in....because
They view both running backs as equals? Especially since Ronnie has been in a downward trend for multiple years now?
Is it because they realize that it’s not the RB’s at all but the Oline sucking as the reason for the lack of a running game even with the best receiver in the game and a strong armed QB supposedly able to back them out of the box? So we pissed away another pick even if it was a 7th on a RB.
Is it because with 2 RB’s traded up for we still can’t run the f-en football and while 5 and 1 is nice, if there’s any expectations of playoffs running the ball will become critical?
Okay, so say you view them as equals.
So adding the 7th means we’ve been screwed over? That doesn’t make any sense to me.
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by Mavyrk on Oct 19, 2011 11:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
uhhhhhh
I wasn’t disagreeing with you Mav, :))
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by Justan Oldfart on Oct 19, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I know that.
Was just venting mild frustration on people tripping out about what is essentially less than a UDFA’s worth.
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by Mavyrk on Oct 19, 2011 11:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Would you have felt it was wasted
If we picked up an RB in the seventh this year? Would you have felt it was wasted if we had spent a seventh on LGB the first time around?
It’s a damn seventh round pick, people. The success rate of those picks are incredibly slim, and we’re likely to get another 7th by the time the 2013 draft comes around.
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by Mavyrk on Oct 19, 2011 4:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree that we probably won't find another Leshoure with the 7th pick in 2013.
The OL must be addressed first in 2012, and this is the best we can do for this season. However, we will also need to find that back in 2012, who will give us what we bargained for in Leshoure; you simply cannot count on him beating the odds, and very well could be out of football by the time the 7th pick in the 2013 draft comes around.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 19, 2011 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It's tough giving up a pick with trying to build through the draft.
We gotta have faith that Mayhew will find the answers for the future. Ian Johnson was our best bammering ram in the preseason, and he’s on SF’s practice squad now. Personally, I would have raided them, and kept the pick myself, and hope I’m wrong about the perception of Brown being a has-been. But they never threw to Johnson, or targeted him for some reason, and obviously liked Morris and Harrison more. Who knows what the story is with Keiland; he’s sorta become the Maytag repairman.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 19, 2011 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Big difference between those guys and brown
And I disagree that anyone was saying any of them had “lost a step”. To my knowledge, they were all younger players who had struggled to fit in with a team scheme wise.
Ronnie Brown has not been in the league 6 years and had at least 2 major injuries. This is a different situation entirely.
Furthermore, if the coaching staff even THINKS about letting Ronnie Brown pass instead of Stafford, they deserve to be fitted for a straight-jacket.
by Big Z in Orlando on Oct 19, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh...
I don’t know how to feel about this. Part of me wishes we had just stayed pat and given Harrison more opportunities and kept the seventh rounder, but if Ronnie Brown can revert to half the player he was during his Miami glory days, it’ll look like a steal.
We’re essentially just giving up a seventh-rounder (seeing as how Harrison would’ve had to be cut to make room for Brown anyways), and for that I’m willing to take a gamble on Ronnie Brown. I don’t dislike the move, but I’m not super crazy about it either.
I know how you feel.
Not excited, Not disappiontted. I mean at the end of the day it is a swap of quasi 2-3 string running backs and Philly got a 7th rounder because Ronnie Brown (Despite in being in the past) has a better resume.
The trade really can’t be a bad one, unless Brown does more goal-line passes in a Lions uiniform, and the trade will never be a block-buster unless he becomes that star he was in Miami. Its something to fill 25 seconds of air on ESPN, and we all know what clip they will show …
Ditto
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 19, 2011 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Another thing...
… is that I’m taking this as a sign that the coaches don’t have a lot of confidence in Keilland Williams. We brought him in to be our short-yardage back, and making a trade at the deadline like this for another big back makes me think that they’re not impressed with what they’ve seen from K-Will.
I'm not particularly impressed with what I've see from him either.
We’ll see what happens with Brown.
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For sure
dude has been very underwhelming thus far. I actually kind of wish we sent him to Philly instead, but I’m assuming they wanted Harrison since he already knows their system.
Slow starter maybe
I don’t wanna trash talk Keiland Williams, maybe he’ll start showing some more productivity.
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Maybe
They’re going to break out some split back sets or some two-back I formation. Hell, maybe we’ll see some bay city offense with Heller, Brown and Williams, lol.
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by Mavyrk on Oct 19, 2011 4:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd love to see some 2 back pistol formations
Overloaded on the right side with Pettigrew and Heller and CJ split out on the left. You force the defense to double CJ on the left, leaving one of your RBs open to chuck a block on the left side to help Backus before slipping out into the flats while overloading the right side with Grew, Heller, and your other RB.
It gives you the potential to run PA, dives, traps, and screens out of the set while also giving us the best pass protection and chance to power run.
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Williams hasn't had a lot of carries
Of course the coaches get to see him regularly in practice, so there could be a very good reason for that. When we had 3rd and short the past few games, I thought they should go with the (somewhat) big back/power running, and we didn’t go to K Will. I personally would like to see if he can get us 1st downs on short yards.
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by Sean Yuille on Oct 18, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck you Sean!
Sorry….that name just brings out the anger in me. I’d rather have Artose Pinner then Aveion Cason.
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by The Profiler on Oct 18, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Calhoun!
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amen to that!
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LenDale White is a FA
It’s been about 30 months since his torn achilles, and HAS to be ready to go by now, huh?
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 19, 2011 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure I briefly owned him in Fantasy Football.
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At least we're stockpiling former high draft picks.
This should make our run-blocking look better.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 19, 2011 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Ronnie Brown
I just hope he can be old Ronnie Brown…and not more recent Ronnie Brown.
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+1
I just don’t think it’s really gonna matter either way…..I hope I’m wrong though.
Schwartz/Hew hitched their horse early in their regime to that Oline and until they start focusing their attention in improving it, their beating their heads against a wall with this RB shuffle.
And with an experienced between the tackles runner...
who has scored 36 rushing TD’s in his career, it will solidify that sentiment if he can’t get it done either.
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simple trade but i wonder if they couldnt have just swapped RB
im not sure how to take this trade, something tells me Jahvid isnt all the way right in the head … No puns intended and when i watched that game … go back to one of last plays he carried and you heard the crunch and saw his slow reactions to getting up. He clearly looked the part of a concussion.
Detroit knows for a playoff game it needs to establish running … the RB is one of the easiest to assimilate into the NFL …. im not sold on Brown as much as some … now the question becomes was he used wrongly in the run game or is Detroit Grasping right now hoping to produce more to help balance the game out .
I don't think Mayhew or Schwartz grasp at anything.
They have proven that they can evaluate talent with the best of them so far so i trust their judgement.
by Michaeljames on Oct 18, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Since the chance of an NFL draft in 2013 is extremely slim, we really gave up nothing more than Harrison.
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a huhh for me
as we have Mo and Kwill and had Harrison who ran good in preseason. But I’ll take a wait and see to this one. Wonder why we didn’t pick up A Brown who knew our team and ran some some runs for us . But we didn’t give much for him so if he doesn’t work out we just trade him down the line. Would like to see us look at some Olinemen at some point.
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actually surprised by those that speak about A.Browns blocking when the scouting report about Ronnie Brown has this listed in his negatives;
linky here http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/80699.html
Although I hope anyone we get works out well in offense
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I like the trade
We get Ronnie Brown, who gets a fresh start and a completely different team to work with. They get Jerome Harrison, who wasn’t really doing anything for us, other than maybe special teams. The 7th round pick doesn’t concern me. We’ll use Brown in any way we can; special teams, 3DRB, FB, etc. What people don’t understand sometimes is that nearly every person we’ve acquired over the past few years we’ve utilized. I’m more than confident that Brown can help us out where we eventually place him.
Not a bad move, Scott Linehan has worked with Ronnie Brown before I think
He knows what he is getting and how to use him, plus, even if he is a one year rental, he cant be any worse than Aaron “I can’t pass protect” Brown.
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Ok so we swaped backs
I think we are in hopes of getting the best end of the deal here you say why ? Well our OC knows him and I have to think if the FO did think it was a good move they would not of done it for the hell of it just to do somthing !
Most likely they been watching film and feel he can help us ! And if he is a bust all we lost was a a back setting the bench most of the time and a lowly 7th round pick lots of upside NOT MUCH down side imho.
I could give a hoot in hell what he has done in Philly who knows a change and his old OC and he may come to life for a yr maybe more never know ! For our team sake I hope he gets well here and the FO looks great again . Let give the dude a chance .
Besides he is a Lion now so let get behind him guys ! pump him up and make him feel welcome if anyone knows his tweet adddy…. Ya know if we get behind him maybe that a fire his old bones up he was a really good back at one time ! And MAY be again .
Overall, Mayhew has been good picking talent
So will be interesting to see if this one pans out. Hope it does ! And I agree … he’s a part of the team so lets see what he can do and give him support. Welcome to the Pride, Ronnie!
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Not a big deal, it is a swap out for some fresh legs (or somewhat fresh)
Vet, that can maybe teach our young guys how to run in some situations. I view this a chance to teach Leshoure possibly. We need to remember we still have Leshoure, this is a small part of the future plan for our starting running back.
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We need to focus on our Running GamePlan....
This offense has not been very good at the point of attack. We have shown that we do not play smash mouth football. We have this soft approach to running the ball with traps and draws and delays that seem to have difficulty developing. We need to do a little more off tackle north-south stuff, maybe some power sweeps, or tri-back sets to cause linebacker confusion and run play action out of that. The shotgun hand-off has been very disappointing so far. I like the addition of Ronnie Brown, but he will strruggle if we dont change our running attack scheme up a bit with some different sets, looks and plays.
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Totally agree
Yes Linehan has worked with Ronnie before (in his prime) – but he’s calling a VERY different game right now. We got rid of our FB, so much of that style that ronnie is accustomed to simply cannot happen.
I don’t think Ronnie is a good back out of the shotgun. His style is a straight a head guy who takes a little bit to rev up. You need him lined up further back and get him a hole in the B gap or a cut back in the A gap. – both of which we really struggle at opening up (using the plays we have thus far anyway). I am impressed that the line seems to get good push and seal for few (4-5) running plays per game. We’ll need those, more use of Heller, and need Ronnie to break some tackles at the line of scrimmage if he’s going to be successful IMO.
I hope they give some time to Keiland as well. Keiland should be a better 3rd down back than Ronnie because he’s a better blocker and better yac as a receiver IMO.
I’m starting to feel Linehan is babying Stafford a little by putting him in shotgun every damn play. It’s like Linehan totally hates our line, doesn’t trust them, and so we designs a lot of things to mitigate that weakness, which is probably a very good idea most of the time, I just think he needs to mix it up a bit more.
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But just being a diehard lions fan, watching preseasons and practices, I really think aaron brown couldve been a good contributer at this point, especially when youre trading for someone with almost exactly the same skill set, I’m not a skeptic, I loved Ronnie Brown when he was in Miami (especially when he was on my fantasy team) but I just think the whole situation couldve been avoided had they just given Aaron Brown his fair shot at maybe 4-8 carries a game, I know hes not an explosive back like jahvid, or a between the tackle back like mendenhall, but i think he brings skills from each type that couldve kept him a wildcard in detroits offense
avoided?
Aaron Brown would be a good replacement to Jahvid in the passing game, but he wouldn’t have helped are running game in one bit IMO. He’s not a good runner. If they wanted another runner to take those draws, I think Harrison fit the bill. They got a big back in Ronnie to make up for what Jahvid lacks IMO.
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I was hoping Mayhew would have
gone out and got a CB. Samuel was available from the Eagles. Should have snagged both him and Brown.
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Samuel was available to trade
but I bet the Eagles were asking a price way too high.
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so is his contract.
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by Justan Oldfart on Oct 19, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
I think he was due something in the $6 mil range this year. Tough to fit that under the cap.
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Good move looking forward to the playoffs
This is an upgrade to the back field and if best gets hurt again we need depth to make the playoffs. I think Scott L had plan to put Best and Mikel in the backfield together now those play can be used as the 49ers saw alot of our plays coming. That 7th is 2013 which means if he was a player he won’t make an impact at the soonest 2014. Keep Winning now baby!!!!
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by Stand Up Casey on Oct 19, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions
both O-LINES need help
I don’t think any running back would do very well behind those lines. The trade seems to be just a try somthing new test RONNIE BROWN was a big name. makes it look like the lions made a attempt to improve. The real problems are still there NO O-LINE,NO SPECIAL TEAMS,NO SECONDARY,NEED A RUNNINGBACK THAT CAN STAY ON THE FIELD,CAN’T STOP THE RUN.I hope the coaches address those problems and more for the lions to be a true champion contender
In all honesty
I like this trade, Harrison (though a local boy) hasn’t really done much for the Lions, and a 7th round pick to the Eagles for someone (granted in the past) has been a proven asset, and has worked with Linehan before in the past, I can only see this as a positive move. Yes the O-Line isn’t the greatest in the world, but with Ronnie Brown now, we have a potential power back to throw up the middle (Best doing it wasn’t the smartest thing imho, which probably led to the concussion) and we can use Best once he’s healthy as an outside threat/pass recieving threat. Also, Ronnie Brown is a lot better blocker than what Harrison was. And theres always the chance for a little ‘trickery’ with the Wildcat (I don’t think it’ll actually happen, but you never know, We’d all probably ROFL if Brown did throw a TD to Megatron (admit it, it would be kinda funny)
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I thought Ronnie kinda is lacking as a blocker
thought I read that…
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I liked Harrison but I like this trade more
Ronnie is only a couple years older than Harrison and has shown more talent. We did have to give up a draft pick but it was a 7th rounder anyways. There will be plenty of UDFA’s to grab some bodies / possible talent so I’m really liking this trade. Don’t know to much about Ronnie Brown’s game these days but it should exceed Harrison’s. With as much as we run anyone NOT named Best I agree that this RB shuffling is pretty silly. I’ve been wanting more Keiland, now I want more Keiland / Brown. Our offensive weapons are insane, but I think its time to start using them a little better.
don't mind the trade.
hope it’s not another rudi johnson thing. i could only guess that ronnie brown has more upside than him.
a 7th is pretty worthless and harrison was expendable. sounds good.
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by GhostManOnThird on Oct 19, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
This is a good trade.
We gave up very little for Brown and he might even start to show some of his old self. I’m not counting on it but I’m hoping that he will perform. Hopefully he is fully recovered from his last injury.
Power & Finesse
Now Lions have a “2-headed” running threat. With Ronnie Brown they now can legitimately blast it straight up the gut, and get the short yardage first downs, and move piles… it won’t be a given that Matthew Stafford will have to throw for it. Javid Best is has power but is more of a finesse runner. Javid is best (no pun intended) when running plays start horizontally and sweep outward… he is gifted when it comes to finding holes and has incredible instincts to recognize a hole opening up. He is also patient and you know the rest of the story when he gets into some open space. The Lions will really have something special if they figure out how to appropriately balance the running game with these two skill sets.
I am OK with this Trade
In my opinion we need a potential 1st and 2nd down back (this is why we drafted LaShoure. Best is a 3rd down or long yardage back, he needs limited touches do to injury potential, he’s more of a home run threat. Maybe Brown can be this for the Lions but let’s face the fact the problem with our run game is our O LINE. We can somewhat pass block, however we don’t run block at all. All run success for the Lions this year is on play design only and not by us exerting our physical will on the other team. This must be addressed with multiple picks in next years draft. Another glaring weakness is our corners cannot play the run! Review the 49er game we can cover but we refuse to play physical on the corner (CHRIS HOUSTON) if we can fix those 2 issues we can compete on a very high level consistently. Imagine Stafford with a run game, can you say play action pass!!!!
































