Lions Notes: Suspension Coming For Ndamukong Suh?
by Sean Yuille on Nov 25, 2011 3:19 AM EST
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- Mike Pereira thinks Ndamukong Suh will be suspended for stomping on a Packers player during Thursday's game, and Pereira said on Twitter that Suh didn't do any favors for himself with his post-game comments. In fact, Pereira thinks the comments "will get him in further trouble" because "he feels he did nothing wrong."
- According to Fox's Jimmy Johnson, Lions running back Kevin Smith suffered a high ankle sprain against the Packers. He didn't return after exiting the game in the second quarter, and if he does in fact have a high ankle sprain, chances are he won't be able to play next week against the Saints. Then again, since the Lions will have a few extra days off before the game, perhaps we shouldn't write him off just yet.
- Another player who already seems unlikely to play next week is safety Louis Delmas. He also left Thursday's game with an injury, and he tweeted this on Thursday night: "To all my fans thanks so very Much for all the support. I will be fine just a minor set back For a few weeks Don't worry I'll be good. love." Obviously that's not conclusive by any means, but the fact that Delmas said this will be a setback for a "few weeks" leads me to believe he will miss at least the Saints game.
- Because of the injuries Lions defensive backs suffered against the Packers, wide receiver Rashied Davis was forced to play some cornerback in the fourth quarter. He actually entered the league as a cornerback but hadn't played in the secondary since 2005.
- On Thursday, Jeff Backus made his 171st consecutive start, which tied him for a Lions record with Dick LeBeau.
- Doug Farrar chronicled some of the bad calls from Thursday's game. The Lions certainly didn't lose because of poor officiating, but the refs were aggravatingly bad throughout the game.
- Calvin Johnson was mic'd up for last week's game against the Panthers.
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I feel like Suh let the team down yesterday
How many times over the last two years has a Suh penalty kept a drive alive? He’s a spectacular talent, but he hurts his team when he does crap like that. Now, he’s going to be suspended for at least one game, maybe two or three, and the Lions need wins if they want to make the post season. He isn’t helping anybody right now.
Yes, I really am that great.
by atvman on Nov 25, 2011 4:31 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
You’re right. Perhaps it’s a lack of maturity. The man is dominant on the field, but seems unable to control himself, to the obvious detriment of his team… Considering he just met with Gooddell I expect a huge fine with a couple of games worth of suspension.
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by 92-74-99-96 on Nov 25, 2011 4:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Guessing the regular season
He’s a repeat offender. He continues to make DUMB penalties week after week…not just aggressive penalties which are admissable in the heat of a play, but dumb penalties — late hits, hands to the face, facemask tackles and now this. What’s worse is he’s completely oblivious to the fact that this is right on TV and everyone can see. I think he’s done for the year, especially after having a meeting with Goodell just 2 weeks ago… HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT. Needs to humble himself and get his head outta his ass.
I think its a little bit overblown
The main thing I am pissed off about is the way Suh got pushed around and taken out of the play on that play! When the league follows what the herd is telling them they should do, and suspends him for a few games, he needs to work on his game and not allow himself to be blocked by one man EVER again! I am disappointed with his play this year. Last year he was good. But not so much this year.
The shoving his head into the ground was overhyped. He barely pushed his head, and it never touched the ground. Also, if I had cleats on and I kicked the OL when he was on the ground I could break his arm. So its obvious he wasn’t trying to injure the guy. He merely pawed at him with his leg. This is just another instance of how the media jumps on something and makes a mountain out of a mole hill in order to make a suspension or firing happen. Just like they did Paterno. Suh, just work on your game where you never get beaten on a play again, thus avoiding you losing your temper!
Eh
I’m more annoyed with the general attitude of the league and its fans than anything.
Bunch of milk drinkers. ugh.
by metatron5369 on Nov 25, 2011 4:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Alex Karras made that term popular in Detroit...
once calling Milt Plum, a milk-drinking quarterback, while throwing a chair at him, for ignoring Joe Schmidt’s advice not the throw the ball, and protect the lead, after he threw a late Pick 6 to lose the Packers. Plum, you see, wouldn’t hang out with the boys at the old Lindell A.C., where players, sportswriters, bookies, and fans would mingle; also a part owner there.
He’d probably called Stafford the same, since Bobby Layne used to drink with him, and thus, recognized him as a real man and QB. That was then, before hanging out with your girlfriend’s friends became more popular.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think Suh was surrounded by enemies, and when the guy tried to pin him, his instincts took over, like any good soldier would.
So Suh...
would have been justified in pulling out a knife and stabbing him? I mean, this is war right?
"No person can disobey reason, without giving up his claim to be a rational creature." - Swift
He wouldn't need a knife
Though I would love to see him help Ford Field live up to his name, “House of Spears”
One of the stupidest posts I've ever seen...
“mooncamping” is a good name, that comment was really spaced out
by Black & Gld on Nov 25, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Congratulations!
According to Suh, supporting his BS make you a TRUE FAN; I call it INDOCRINATION to excusing a failure to learn what a winning mentality is all about.
Suh seems to be intent on promoting himsel as the baddest ass in the NFL, with his carnival act covering up what he fails to deliver in his play. The only person who should be happy over Suh’s denial to take personal responsibility is Matthew Stafford, who is escaping scrutiny of his underachieving performance. Coach Schwartz needs to reign him in a bit, and get to him, to cause a change in his public attitude over this, or else the NFL will be the one stomping on him with a stiffer suspension. A tough game in N.O. has become a virtual impossiblity now, with 3 starters lost to injuries, and now Suh’s likely suspension. The fans need to get on the same page, in refusing to exonerate misconduct which is hurting the Lions’ changes of making it to the postseason.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This whole game showed me why the Lions still have alot of growing up to do
Stafford: I don’t know how bad his finger is hurting him but at times he doesn’t look in control of the game, him missing the 1st 2 seasons of his career is really starting to show.
Coaches: Need to game plan better, what do all these flags show about our team, Our head coach picks a fight with another coach. Suh stomps on a player, and fans and media are surprised??? Schwartz needs to get contol of this team.
Suh: Man your better than that, you might of just cost yourself the rest of the season
Team and coaches have 10 days to get ready for the Saints, that will probably be the most defining moment for the coaches, Stafford and team to show if there gonna stay in the playoff hunt or sink to a new low and fall apart like in 2007
by msivits on Nov 25, 2011 6:59 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Couldn't agree more
Many of us expected an 8&8 season, maybe 9&7, but they’ve played a bit above their expectations thus far. Other teams are shaping up as the season progresses. Unfortunately, whether through injuries, maturity issues, or a more difficult schedule, the Lions are going to struggle from this point on. I’m not down on them and would love to seem them in the playoffs, but they will need to suck it up and play top flight football from here on out.
by Parrothead Mike on Nov 25, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I had them at 11-5 heading into this season.
Still think it’s possible, however, unlikely. I think our team will rally around this in the end by next weeks game and start to real things back a bit. I still think 9-7 is the floor for this team barring an epic meltdown. There’s really no excuse to be anything worse. Yeah, we’ve lost our 2 starting RBs, lost our replacement starting RB for the next couple weeks probably, losing our best defensive player for prolly at least 4 games, and are losing our starting FS for a few weeks. But still, I don’t see any reason to change expectations so much. Every team gets hurt, has issues of some sort. Just gotta deal with em.
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by dezznutz1001 on Nov 25, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest,
if I were Schwartz, I’d bench Suh for this week. Only a fool would try to defend bashing a players head into the turf, then stomping on his arm.
The most addicting drug is winning(not Charlie Sheen's "winning").
I believe if Schwartz did, and Suh takes personal responsibility, he might only get a game or two.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that we had them where we wanted them and he did that then is the worst part,
frankly I think we have bigger long term problems with our knucklehead QB
In fairness to Staff those holding penalties early really stopped the momentum.
But I agree that you don’t know what your going to get from him week to week. Hell play to play for that matter.
"My Mama once told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who" - Jay Z
Totally agree
Saints game will test the so called “toughness of this team”
I’m very worried about that, we won 5 in a row, then lost 2 out of the last 6. This will come down to Stafford, I see alot of Brett Farve in him and the coaches might just have to let him go out there and sling and take the good along with the very bad as well.
We have great WR and we need to use them to our strenths, I’m to the point where we should be taking deeps shots down field 4-6 times a game. When I mean deep I mean 40-50 yard shots.
Kevin Smith, Delmas, Houston, and Suh not being available...
I wouldn’t get your hopes up too high. Pray for no more significant injuries, and if we can survive that, call it a win.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Out of that group, IMO Suh will be missed the least
I hope Nick cant get some penetration. Smith and Delmas will kill us if we dont have for the Saints
It's time for Nick to step up, and take on a leadership role.
He’s doing a good job of containing his nastiness within the accepted range of trench war.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, Stafford has some growing up to do.
But in my eyes he’s not much more experienced than a rookie QB, and we pretty much put the whole offense on his shoulders due to having no run game and an old offenseive line. Stafford is definitely having issues and needs to work on a lot, but I’m glad to have him as our quarterback because I can see what he can be if he learns to overcome his mistakes.
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by Lions & Panthers Fan on Nov 25, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
suh was wrong for what he did...
It was def a back breaker to our chances of winning yesterday…but I dont think he deserves a suspension. Comparing this to Albert Haynesworth’s incident is unfair. He barely touched his arm with the stomp. No one was hurt like unlike when albert stomped a guys face. In my opinion the this Brian robison play was much worse and he only received a 20k fine….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgyKJprL5V8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
FYI…someone shouldve advised suh to handle that press conference differently. He was talking as if what he did wasn’t caught on camera.
by coolestcutta on Nov 25, 2011 9:19 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
+1
His press conference will hurt him. It was perhaps more ridiculous than the incident itself. It destroyed his credibility. It showed he is unable to take responsibility for his own actions. That he will lie his face off.
That person that should have advised him differently was his 1st grade teacher, and every responsible adult he has ever met since.
there is no way he shouldnt be suspended. We are dealing with Glass Joe as our QB, and
if the league doesnt come down hard on this, Staff will get pounded in my opinion..
by ATL Jim on Nov 25, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
SUH Has been disruptive on the field both positively and now negatively. If he can get back to his mindset of last year he would be the best in the league. As he stands now he is just an above average play.
by nekweb1 on Nov 25, 2011 9:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Comon...Above Average?
Suh gets doubled every play which would explain his numbers being down. His presence alone makes everyone else on the DL line better along with our secondary. Him being doubled allows the rest of the line to have one on one coverage. With the one on one matchups this gives us the benefit of not having to blitz alot.
Which makes a possible suspension all the more frustrating...
This defense is, for the most part, built around Ndamukong. Kid’s a stud, but for the sake of the team, he’s simply got to play smarter.
Haloti Ngata gets doubled and has crazy numbers. The ravens front last night showed what we can be. We are a little behind them. SUH is impressive with still producing while taking doubles over half the time, however it seems like the ends are always losing contain (especially VB) and that makes up for any doubles the line throws at us. Still have some growing as a group but a ton of young talent. I really like Willie Young and SLH. Those guys will be the unsung heroes of he line for the next few years.
by nekweb1 on Nov 25, 2011 11:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Numbers aren't the only factor
prime example…Suh pressuring Newton last week and forcing an INT. Nothing on Suh’s statsheet for that, but it was a huge play. Another example would be the multiple times this season Suh has come up with a stop on 3 or 4th and inches. Stat shows a tackle, but the significance is much better.
However, that was still an inexcusable penalty yesterday, really stupid
by Suhper Megatron on Nov 25, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanksgiving
I am very dissapointed in the display of Football by my Lions yesterday.
Going into the game, I felt very confident that we would beat the Packers.
Unfortunately, we decided to beat ourselves.
Coach Schwartz best get control of his team; immediately! The Personal Fouls and the “Bad Boy” image are getting old!
We are in serious jeopardy of not making the Playoffs.
by Glen B on Nov 25, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not really. He got us here. He's botched some games too, but give him credit. Best season so far that Detroit has had for awhile.
..Stafford should share in that credit. Like everybody else on the team, he can certainly do better.
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Fuck Jim Harbaugh.
Smarten Up!
Virtually every Media Outlet in the Country is calling for a multiple Game Suspension for Suh(and I have no doubt it will happen).
Due to our self imposed “Bad Boy” image, the Ref’s are watching us closely. We get no benefit of the doubt on borderline Personal Foul calls.
Scwartz has no one to blame but himself.
SMARTEN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Glen B on Nov 25, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'll say it till the day I die Glen
Better the Bad Boys than the Doormats.
by fiendishdr.wu on Nov 25, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Stupid, Stupid Stupid
Suh say: “I’m first and foremost only going to apologize to my teammates, my coaches and my true fans.”
We are not your true fans, we are Lions fans. I have been a Lions fan since 1960 and have never been so ticked off by a player. The actions on the field were wrong and he should be suspended. Still the explanation is even worse. I continued to see Suh week after week making boneheaded fouls which give the Lions opponents extra chances. This man has great talent but it is going to waste. What a shame!
If he doesn’t want to change, then it is time to trade him during the off season. I am sure we can get a lot from some dumb team.
All for it until you got to the trade talk
C’mon Man!
by fiendishdr.wu on Nov 25, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
+90 FDRWU.
All for it until you got to the trade talk
C’mon Man!
Ain’t that some reactionary-ass shit right there. He’s got a temper and you’re looking at trading him? Stupid Stupid Stupid is a terribly apt header for such a comment.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Fuck Jim Harbaugh.
Trade
Do I want the Lions to trade him, No! The key is does he want to “change” to help the team or does he is think he is more important the team. He may be the most talented player on the team, but if he plays out of control then he is a detriment. This is a team game and he has to see that he is hurting the team or the potential great plays will mean nothing.
Change what he did yesterday....sure
Change his style of play overall, no. Lol, talking bout trading Suh here man. The 1st team that would be on the phone with MM would be the Packers.
by fiendishdr.wu on Nov 25, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
or the Steelers.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Fuck Jim Harbaugh.
Fuuny how similar the thoughts of Lions fans suiting up in 1960.
Regarding exploring a trade, if he continues to hurt the team, perhaps that’s what he wants; you never know. I believe part of the problem is frustration that he’s having a down season. It’s not like he wasn’t double-teamed last year.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
+1
As good as he is (awesome), this is an area that should receive a failing grade. Schwartz comments that I’ve seen so far are no better than Suh’s. He states that he did not have a chance to see the replay (perhaps prioritize this a little!), but that it is hard to be disappointed in someone who is trying to get away from the situation.
NOT a head coach in control. Sorry.
by jimoska on Nov 25, 2011 10:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
NOT a head coach in control. Sorry.
Been saying this for a long time.
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Albert Haynesworth?
I live in Chicago (where sports fans get far more glee from hating on & cheering against other teams than they do cheering for their own), and the sentiment among my friends colleagues the meatheads I have to deal with here is, that Suh is on the fast track to becoming the next Haynesworth.
I want to disagree, esp because Suh seems so thoughtful & well-spoken, but his actions on the field make it difficult to do so.
That's the crazy thing about it isn't it?
He’s so well spoken and well mannered in every interview I see him in. He sounds like a very intelligent guy.
I really think he might be a bit delusional when it comes to his play.
Haynesworth or Suh? Sounds like the same guy
Both coached by Schwartz. Schwartz needs to know who he can push to be aggressive and who not to. Courtland Finnegan gets under their skins and plays it by the rules. He is very emotionally stable and never gets into the wrong mindset. He is calculated in his actions. Suh and Haynesworth lose control. Schwartz has to have different rules for different guys.
Haynesworth doesn't love football like Suh does.
Haynesworth doesn’t put in the work like Suh does.
The comparisons are fallacious.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
The comparisons are lazy.
Haynesworth bounced around the league and his own teammates don’t even believe in him.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Fuck Jim Harbaugh.
Another thought...
With Suh’s performance under that of last years, perhaps the image he’s trying to project comes from fear of the opposition during the play; a fear of prevailing over the competition, as so many of the greats do within the rulebook. He obviously is battling fear of some kind. Suh needs to refocus his energy, worry only about his play within the rules, and use his talents between the snap and the whistle on a consistent basis, or he’s a liability.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Haynesworth was a meathead off the field as well as on.
No slogans. Just win!!!
After sleeping on it,and without trying to sound to overly melodramatic on how I will stand by with this team going forward.....IMO
Of course I want this team to win above anything else, but I also want this team to do it in a classy yet hard hitting aggressive manner. I completely understand what Schwartz faced when he got here in turning around a losing culture and why he had to do and act how he’s acted(to a point) in getting this team into a mindset that they can win each and every week. I’ve supported him as much or more then most anyone on this site……but
First of all I am not an athlete worshiper, with my least favorite athlete types being Kobe, Lebron, Haynesworth and Artest. I hate self promoters, and those that put themselves above team, which even before yesterday I thought Suh was doing but stayed relatively quiet because of my love of the Lions
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I want a team of good, yet hard working types, with reputations of being hard yet playing within the rules types, putting team ahead of themselves, and not being labeled as dirty players. I understand football and what takes place on the field with scuffles or what not, I would never want a Lion to back down from a shithead. I think a shittalker and aggressive type like a Delmas is a fantastic player for our team.
I was highly disgusted with Schwartz, feeling that his head was getting bigger and bigger with each and every win earlier this season. Holding up fingers as to how many false starts the opposing team has? Pure bush league.
The Dez crap? Childish for a coach
The Harbaugh incident? Completely embarrassing to the team and city, and pure classless, but it looks like he learned from it, or has his head just shrunk because of the losing?
Going forward, Tuesdays press conference by Schwartz is going to have a major effect on how I view this team in the future with Schwartz as coach. if he tries to back Suh, deny what he did or dance around the questions, then I am done, and he’s will of lost me….IMO
He has currently created a culture of undisciplined low class whining mob on the field and needs to seriously reign in what is happening. This team has done nothing, yet talks and acts like we have. How Schwartz handles this Suh incident will have a big affect on how the team responds going forward.
Schwartz is a smart guy and I hope he handles this well, but Schwartz was also the coach of players like Haynesworth and Pacman, and I don’t want to be associated with those types, and will not root for a team with those type of players on it regardless if we are winning or losing.
I fault Schwartz as much as Suh in this incident and I am a Schwartz slappy.
by delusional on Nov 25, 2011 10:49 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Totally agree
People are confusing the difference between hard hitting, nasty play and this “bending” the rules, after the whistle crap play. A young team that is learning how to win against the great teams in the league can not overcome stupid penalties. In addition, and this is what is pissing me off the most, the refs are calling the questionable calls against us. KVB’s hit on Rodgers was clean but it still got called because when the refs are predispositioned to pull the flag out of their pockets they will do it everytime. That is the damage this stupidity is causing the team. They can not beat the better teams and the refs. We have to play damn near perfect to win without our players being under the microscope.
Really agree with you on the Delmas part
He’s a perfect example of an aggressive player who doesn’t back down, but he knows how to control himself and respect the game. The first thing I think of is when he hurt Mughelli a few weeks ago. As soon as he saw that Mughelli was hurt Delmas immediately motioned to the Atlanta sideline for help. He looked devasted, he put his hands on his head and took a knee and started praying for Mughelli.
Suh could use some advice from Delmas.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well said Delusional
But I would not get my hopes up about how Schwartz handles this situation because this is not an isolated incident in relation to Suh and we all know how he handled those in the past.
I would be surprised to hear anything other than how we have to be smarter (you know, playing to the crowd/media type statements) but not do anything to curtail Suh in the future, just like he has in the past. Remember what he said after Suh tried to bottle cap Dellhome or that other QB? I have a feeling we are about to hear strikingly similar comments again.
Sadly, this happening was not a surprise.
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I'm going to hold out hope Josh...
Today on 97.1 they figured he would take a “yes, I’ve talked to him and we’ll keep it internal”, type of message for public consumption.
I’m not quite sure how I’ll handle a message like that, let’s see what actually happens….but
It’s going way deeper then Suh, and I don’t like the direction of it. But at the same time this team has some very fine people and I’m torn at the moment.
Hell yeah it goes deeper than Suh
It is a systemic problem that starts with Schwartz and bleeds down and it has been coming for a long time man. A long time.
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Agreed totally.
But that has happened for YEARS before Schwartz…it’s part of the “losing culture” that still needs changing.
I am holding out hope that our young coach will get it turned around.
Yeah, but it's mostly different players now, and Schwartz himself says what happened in the past has no bearing a what's happening now.
Josh and I have warred over Schwartz and Schwartz hasn’t been able to get the undisciplined football out of their system. I’m giving Josh his due, he makes loads of good points.
A Long Time?
Really Josh?
Because all I know is that this is Schwartz’s first head coaching job, and this is just his 3rd year.
And before he got here, YEARS before he got here, we had tons of displays of undisciplined play. And we lost a lot.
Sure some stuff has to be cleaned up, like the stupid penalties…but we are at least winning. Remember 2008?
Man it seems like you like to nitpick. Even if we won a Super Bowl with these guys you would complain about it.
I don't know...
But what Del might be saying is similar to what I’m saying about losing being synonymous with an undisciplined club… they never make it to the SuperBowl.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
if the lions take a lot of penalties they won't get to the super bowl?
you should work for espn, you can be the next stuart scott if you work on your catch phrases – you got his analysis style wrapped up
by redwingxviii on Nov 25, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't watch ESPN,anymore, so I haven't what you're talking about.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
You'd really love this year's Bengals.
Every player (even Adam Jones, ironically) fits that definition of what you look for in your favorite players to a tee. They’re definitely one of the best, and probably the best, example of the word “team” in the NFL.
As for the rest of it, I honestly agree. Having been keeping an eye on the Lions, I’ve really gotten a bad taste in my mouth for the things that have happened with this team in the past month and a half. Schwartz has a personality, and I really like that in a coach (after dealing with Marvin’s recycled and generic coach responses in press conferences), but he needs to reign it in not only for his own class’ sake, but also to set an example for each of his players. I think—hope, rather—that events like this finally show Schwartz to play things closer to the vest as well as maintain his players well. It seems like the 49ers pulled the rug out from under the Lions and ever since then, nothing’s been going right. It falls on Schwartz to right the ship. Handling Suh is the first step towards that. This is the low point for this team.
Also Stafford seriously needs to stop being a bum. Gogdamn.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
So what team will you be rooting for next season, delusional?
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by I'mOpen,Matt!! on Nov 26, 2011 3:01 AM EST up reply actions
I really cant believe i'm hearing this out of Lions fans
Suh is a dominate beast when he is on the field
I agree yesterday he was wrong with what he did but it was in the heat of the moment and unfortunatly I believe Goodell is going to suspend him
But I dont think he is even close to being the dirtiest player in the game I think he’s getting a bad rap.
As far as being the next Haynseworth thats not even close fat Albert is lazy selfish smart mouth and disruptive to every team he plays for i dont believe Suh is any of those things
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 25, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions
Who do you think the dirtiest player in the league is?
According to NFL players… it’s Suh.
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by Chief Oshkosh on Nov 25, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think we got it from here, dude.
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by Chief Oshkosh on Nov 25, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
It's kinda indulgent of you, but you're civil, so whatever man. Go for it.
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by Chief Oshkosh on Nov 25, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
That's funny! Shoe on the other foot, I'm pretty sure you'd feel the same way.
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completely agree
We got this.
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did you see the slow mo at the end of the first qtr with Dom's facemask being grabbed
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Nov 25, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
yup
and it was not an isolated incident.
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they just called that penalty against the Lions
couldn’t believe the announcers didn’t bring it up
which I wonder if some one could send that photo to Mike Periera so he can explain how the refs did in fact get that right even the the hand is clearly gripping and in the facemask…
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Nov 25, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
You know, the Packers were delivering their share of muggings on the field too.
For instance, the first time Kevin Smith had to come of the field hurt was because some Packer player was pulling him down by the bottom of his helmet. Just a matter of luck that no ref saw it.
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Exactly
and luck…? no the refs were favoring gb all the way. Our dline was getting mugged all day, and no calls.
Remember KVB’s “penalty?” BS.
Remember Hill breaking through the line and basically being tackled? Yeah I do…no call. What a joke the NFL has become.
That's the point.....
GB has at least done something in the league to earn some respect including the refs.
We pop up on the scene, win a few games, become full of ourselves including the coach and get the benefit of the doubt from no one.
Why should we? That’s where all of this lack of displicine comes into play.
by delusional on Nov 25, 2011 4:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's still BS
I don’t want the NFL officiating to turn into the NBA. But it is getting close.
You call penalties evenly for each team, regardless of a team’s “reputation.”
I believe Daunta Hall is the dirtiest player in the game
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 25, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Duta Robinson is pretty dirty
If that’s who you were also thinking of
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no i meant Deangelo Hall the redskins DB
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 25, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
DeAngelo Hall isn't really dirty, he's just an ass
Dunta Robinson is dirty. He’s the one goes for helmet-to-helmet hits any time he can.
Angelo: Right….so anyways Jay, I’m sure you understand that we needed to make this move and I wanna wish you the best of luck.
Cutler: (Swoops bangs out of eyes by throwing his head back) Whatever, I don’t need this team or you.
/Leaves in a huff
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It's crazy
After yesterday, there’s no argument as to whether Suh can be considered dirty. Still, you can’t even compare Robinson to Suh. Suh’s stomp was awful, but he had turf cleats on and not even Suh could break skin with those. Robinson puts guys in the freaking hospital.
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Agreed
People just like to whine when negative stuff happens.
Cowher says it very well.
• Bill Cowher, CBS: “He’s in denial, he doesn’t get it. And the bottom line for Jim Schwartz — I don’t care what the league does — you either condone it or you condemn it. Jim Schwartz needs to take this under control and do something and not let this guy play. He’s a poor reflection of the Detroit Lions, he shouldn’t be playing.”
Isn't Cowher the one who brought James Harrison into the NFL?
I’m not sure he qualifies as someone to preach to much on this subject.
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by drgarnett on Nov 25, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Show me a clip of Harrison stomping on someone and then get back to me.
"I’ll consider myself a dirty player when my mom calls me a dirty player." - Ndamukong Suh
PLEASE
If Suh is #1, Harrison is damn close to #2.
Step down from your high horse.
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by joshsun on Nov 25, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Harrison is a hard hitter, not a dirty player.
Suh hits late, tries to rips people’s helmets off, and apparently likes to stomp on people as they sit on the ground.
"I’ll consider myself a dirty player when my mom calls me a dirty player." - Ndamukong Suh
And Hines Ward was so damn dirty they made a rule just so he'd stop vicious blocks in the back.
Another Cowher player, might I add.
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by Doc Scratch on Nov 25, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's not dirty, he is just the best blocking WR ever.
If you’ve ever played football, you would know to always keep your head on a swivel. It’s not Wards fault that some defensive players can’t remember some of the basics of football.
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No dirty?
The validity of everything you say on this blog is now tainted.
At least most people around here are honest with themselves about Suh. You are in complete denial about Ward.
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by joshsun on Nov 25, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even comparing Ward to Suh makes you look dangerously retarded. I suggest you seek help immediately.
"I’ll consider myself a dirty player when my mom calls me a dirty player." - Ndamukong Suh
The NFL had to make a special rule
That is named after Ward because the things he was doing were so dangerous they could not be allowed to continue.
If you do not call that playing dirty, than you are the one that needs to seek help and maybe step away from your team for a while because you need a reality check.
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by joshsun on Nov 25, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You can't bring Ward into this
I thought his style of blocking was excellent. It’s just a matter of defensive players not being able to take what they dish out.
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I'm actually in agreement here with the Steelers dude
Suh is twice as dirty as both Harrison and Ward combined. Dude’s straight retarded anymore. It’s every single game this season. He’s simply out of control. Ward blocks players cleanly. It’s not his fault they don’t have discipline to expect a block from a WR on a sweep play (basic pee wee football). And Harrison is a whole different subject. He gets screwed quite a bit by the league offices just like Suh. Harrison though IMO from watching clips of his fines, doesn’t purposefully intend to have helmet-to-helmet contact. He leads with his shoulder and the RB or WR lowers their head to take on the impact and put themselves in the dangerous situation.
TWICE A DIRTY AS BOTH OF THEM???
Hahaha…you’re an idiot.
Harrison actually gets fined for real penalties, not the crap that Suh gets called for (i.e. the Marion “horse collar” Cuntler push, etc.).
by akadwriter on Nov 27, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They had to make a rule...because what he was doing wasn't against the rules.
Idiot.
Suh is breaking rules that apply to ANYTHING besides maybe MMA. And even MMA doesn’t allow you to stomp on people when they’re on the ground, nor do they let you attempt to slam someone’s head repeatedly into the ground.
Suh = Dirty. Period.
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because what he was doing wasn’t against the rules.
And it was so dangerous they had no choice but to make a rule to stop him from doing it.
So, he knew damn well he was doing something that was incredibly dangerous so a completely defenseless player with the potential to not only harm other players but ruin their careers and he kept doing it.
And I am the Idiot. LMAO
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Uh...
he hit people…
what an asshole…
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yup, he did
He did it in a way that was so dangerous to those players, the league had to make a new rule.
That is the peak of dirty play.
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poor defensive players, they can give it but cry when they get it.
One guy got a broken jaw, but he learned a valuable life lesson from that. What’s the big deal?
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that is the big deal
what he was doing was so dangerous that the league had to make a new rule to stop him.
Yes, this is a violent game but damn man. A player’s jaw was broken. How often does that happen? I remember once.
That is the pinnacle of dirty play. Knowing damn well what you are doing is flat out dangerous and still doing it because it is not “technically” against the rules.
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Oh, you're a Bengals fan? Hahahaha.
How is Rivers doing, btw? Lol.
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couldn't care.
howard’s playing better, we don’t need him.
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One good turn deserves another
Oh, you’re aBengalsPenn State fan? Hahahaha
Good luck with that.
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damn man
That is cruel.
lol
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LMAO
right on…just apparently that is less dirty. hahaha…some people.
Yeah
I think Cowher should shut up. The steelers have always been known as a borderline dirty/tough team.
by akadwriter on Nov 25, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"The steelers have always been known as a borderline dirty/tough team"
Which is exactly how football is meant to be played.
"I’ll consider myself a dirty player when my mom calls me a dirty player." - Ndamukong Suh
Again...partially agree.
I am tired of all the pussification of the sport (and I play soccer mostly).
But if you are intentionally trying to hurt someone…that is not acceptable, in any sport for that matter.
There is a difference between hurting someone and injuring someone. If a defensive player isn’t trying to hurt someone on every play then he is in the wrong business. However, if he is trying to injure someone, then that is a different story.
"I’ll consider myself a dirty player when my mom calls me a dirty player." - Ndamukong Suh
Agreeing with you completely.
But see we are so wimpy now in America.
Agreed.
But at this point I don’t know if we can reverse the wussification process and go back to the old days.
"I’ll consider myself a dirty player when my mom calls me a dirty player." - Ndamukong Suh
didn't joey porter start a fight before a game?
wasnt he one of cowher’s guys?
But I agree Cowher cant condone the behavior
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Nov 25, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure who started the fight, but yes, Joey Porter did fight someone from the Browns a few years ago.
"I’ll consider myself a dirty player when my mom calls me a dirty player." - Ndamukong Suh
I also meant Schwartz can't condone the behavior
I think the main point being that Schwartz needs to make sure he has control over the locker room, and has to reign in some of the Lions emotion- or at least direct it better, so they don’t lead to mistakes.
Having watched Suh, he has partly gotten a rep for being dirty based on some questionable calls that went against him, and from the media which propelled that story line and furthered the reputation.
In that way, I think the Ward – Suh comparison is spot on. You, having watched Ward know he is not constantly cheap shotting on the field, but the way he plays has lead to mostly legal plays on the field, although he’s got his “questionable” plays too.
Also Suh is charismatic and articulate like Hines Ward, plus one of the best at what he does on the field.
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Nov 25, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
The Lions will be fortunate ....
if Suh is only suspended one game, many say it will more. And I think it is a telling item of information that apparently was one of the Packers talking points on game strategy and preparation for the game, “to be patient and let the Lions beat themselves with stupid penalties” because the Packers staff from tape review saw this pattern in Lions’ games, that is the Lions beating themselves with penalties. As much as I love the Lions I have to say there is some truth to this. There is no excuse for what Suh did, he will pay, and sad to say the Lions will pay. Suh needs to grow up. And the sad thing is that the Lions are good enough to win games without having to make a so-called “STATEMENT” that they’re an aggressive team to be reckoned with… we don’t need stupid penalties to make that point.
Excellent tidbit
And I think it is a telling item of information that apparently was one of the Packers talking points on game strategy and preparation for the game, "to be patient and let the Lions beat themselves with stupid penalties" because the Packers staff from tape review saw this pattern in Lions’ games, that is the Lions beating themselves with penalties. As much as I love the Lions I have to say there is some truth to this.
If you really love the Lions, you’re a realist who seeks for them to improve and be better than they’ve historically been. (You.)
By & large the Lions played with a lack of poise, discipline, and intelligence. Not just Suh. He just broke the rules of decency and the NFL as well as not playing with poise, discipline, or intelligence.
This loss is on Coach Jim Schwartz and trickles downward to cover the entire roster.
The fact that The Packers knew these things would happen is damning. Everybody should be sitting on their asses at some point every day of this week watching this game and dissecting what went wrong.
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by Skylar on Nov 25, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, I seen that yesterday.
It’s on Schwartz going forward and how he handles this and the culture he’s created around here.
It has been on Schwartz since day one
and he has failed to do anything about it yet. Why now do you think it is going to change?
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Again Josh...
Good job prejudging. He has turned a lot around in Det. Don’t assume this won’t get turned around too.
by akadwriter on Nov 25, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's been a problem; it's still a problem; and it's getting worse.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
yup, yup and yup
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I saw this as well and wish it got more play
It’s so frustrating that even after that game I know we can hang with these guys any day of the week.
And when Rodgers was smiling over there on the sidelines with that smugness I just feel like he was thinking. “Thank God these jackasses self destructed”
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Yeah, I'm sure he was thinking that with his team up 24-0. /rolls eyes
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His team did not do a damn thing
until our secondary started falling left and right with injuries.
GB was nothing but lucky on turkey day. Of course, to be 11-0, a lot of luck has to be going your way.
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Good summary... declining discipline is eating them alive.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
And what is even more damning ...
is not only did the Packers know these things would happen… they were banking on it !!
EXACTLY
talk about a kick in the nutz
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Good point abotu stupid penalites
I just read a statement Aaron rodgers made yesterday after the game , he said " We are coached to play between the whistles"
Brian Urlacher said in an interview last week the Lions play till the “echo of the whistle”
This LIONs D and how they play are reminiscient of the past, but the NFL DOESNT want them playing like its the 1960’s! Hence the No Fun League.
The Lions have to adapt
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by dezznutz1001 on Nov 25, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
I sure hope he doesn't get suspended
He basically served it yesterday if anything. Still I wouldn’t be suprised and no one being honest with themselves could say he wouldn’t deserve it.
In house discipline for Suh ....
might be a good proactive step to take ASAP to minimize the damage of the Suh incident and might also serve the dual purpose of calibrating the overall team discipline which seems to have gone overboard in the matter of trying to portray an image of “We are a physical, bad ass team” … WELL WE ARE, and we don’t need the stupid, unnecessary penalties to prove that…
The only thing good about yesterday
Is that the 49ers lost. I’m too pissed to comment on anything else.
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by LionsGal652 on Nov 25, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Just ignore the ankle biting trolls
take the high road and vent on twitter or something, you know I’m always here for ya ;)
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by LionsGal652 on Nov 25, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
It's bad enough FF had me outside during the entire game
Kicking bums off the property. I had to get text updates on wtf was going on in the game. Ughhhhh…. I can’t even express the degree of frustration I have right now.
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by LionsGal652 on Nov 25, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Just curious
In fact, Pereira thinks the comments “will get him in further trouble” because “he feels he did nothing wrong.”
Does he not know that assault is a felony in reality? Doesn’t matter if he was held on the play, Suh is lucky charges aren’t filed against him.
A psychiatric evaluation might be in order.
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Football players assault eachother constantly, by letter of law.
Suh is not “lucky charges aren’t filed against him.” That is a patently absurd thing to say.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
Why is it absurd?
There was talk with Haynesworth after his incident about the same thing. I mean it’s very unlikely, but if you did it on the street charges would be inevitable.
Playing football doesn’t absolve him of an act like that.
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Ummmm.....
If you grazed a person’s arm on the street like Suh did on the field, I’m fairly confident there would be no charges. I’ve seen worse that that on a middle school playground.
It’s not surprising you don’t know what you’re talking about, though, considering if any charges were to be filed it’d be Battery, not assault.
More the intent than the result of said action.
It’s like shooting at someone, but missing or grazing your target. Would still result in attempted murder charge (lesser degree of course).
Not sure how it works with battery. He did bounce the lineman’s head off the turf like a basketball.
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Again
Even in the street those actions wouldn’t wouldn’t result in charges.
And the fact that you just compared Suh shoving his head into the ground during a game to battery is a joke. I think we need to lock up the entire NFL with your logic.
Shit, we should charge hockey players for fighting. I mean man, imagine if two people in the street just decided they want to fight each other. Would that, in fact, be a crime in “reality”? The fact that you can’t see these differences is embarrassing. It’s quite clear you don’t know much about the legal system, so you should probably stop.
by JWurm on Nov 25, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll make sure to welcome
all Lions fans with open arms at WCG. Thanks for the civil debate!
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Maybe it's not Schwartz, eh? Maybe this hyper-defensive which leads to hyper-aggressive mindset is a Detroit thing.
I dated a girl from Detroit once, and she couldn’t take criticism for shit. I’m starting to think I’m on to something…
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Right on..
So dumb to call that worthy of a felony assault charge.
I see worse in the hallways of the middle school I sub at a lot.
Go back to your blog
The bears need you to make more excuses for cutler.
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Excuses why he was having his best season?
You’re right, it’s the wind that makes him throw INTs.
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excuse #1
only problem, it is not on your site.
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No worries
4everlions comes (amongst others) over to WCG all the time, but we don’t give him crap about sparking debate. Maybe it was a bit ridiculous to say that about Suh, but it’s talked about all the time in regards to those types of plays. Good day.
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The only way to save face on this one
Is Schwartz calls Suh into his office and say listen big guy, let’s just take care of this before the leage has to and save a little face
Suh I’m sitting you the rest of the season
If you look at what Fat Albert got this really isnt over doing it, the leage is getting tougher and tougher so I wouldn’t be, neither should fans. This is coming, mise well get used to the thought of losing Suh the rest of the year… : (
I would rather
The front office call Schwartz into their office and say listen big guy lets take care of this before the league has to. Get your team together or we will find someone who can.
As for Suh, the league will deal with him. The only thing Schwartz needs to say to Suh is get your head out of your ass before you come back.
That's being a bit extreme
He’ll get a fine and maybe one or two game suspension.
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by LionsGal652 on Nov 25, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
He'll get more, unless he take responsibility. The denial in his attitude is screaming, "I'm picked on for my badness."
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
4 games
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Yeah, this is so disgusting...
this revelation of a deep-seated problem, which we’ve had rose-colored glasses on, through the early success this season. Injuries are tough to avoid, but a suspension at this point is devastating.
If all these guys are out, they mise well sit Stafford and let him heal up, because his interceptions are killing us, and soon it’s going to affect his confidence, along with the team’s in him. I see very little chance in beating N.O. now, which before I thought we could, so that means we must beat Oakland, and probably have to do it without Suh.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I have been talking about this problem brewing for better than a year now.
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Well, way to say what needs to be said!
There’s more to being a fan than, “Rah-rah-ree, kick ’em in the knee.”
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not exactly sure what you wanted to say here
But I am not one of the rose colored people around here. If i see it coming, I am going to say something about it.
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I know you're not... clearly, you have an admirable boldness in being honest and objective.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
not sure if that is an insult or not lol
but I do try to be honest and objective.
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Raw
Seems like Suh is alot of raw talent. Hopefully this suspension can get him to realize he is hurting the team. He doesn’t need to tone down the aggressiveness just needs to turn down the stupid penalties. I rather have him blow up on the trash can or the bench on the sideline then on one of their players.
We still need him, we need to realize it was one game against an awesome football club. We still need Staff and him. Benching them for a bad game is a terrible idea.
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No, you can't bench Stafford, unless you're saying you're pulling the plug on him.
This is truly his first learning season.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Learning Season
Thats crap. Watching games, films and going to meetings is learning. He has been doing this his whole life. He may never get it. Look at his eyes, he loooks scared and uninterested.
Might as well sit him next game for sure.
Getting a win in N.O. was something that I thought the Lions might have accomplished, if they were feeling good about themselves. Now we enter under extreme scrutiny of a coach who has discipline problems on a highly penalized team, injuries that will likely keep out 3 starters -two, who have contributed to a top secondary, and the defensive leader on suspension for misconduct. Stafford should be running errands for Suh this week, as a token of gratitude, for taking the spotlight off of his penchant for throwing interceptions, which are taking us out of games. When you are being paid millions more than the rest, you either deliver, or you breed team dissension. The reality of things is that a John Elway come along once in a lifetime; QBs as your #1 pick are generally a bad decision, because they cost you the most, and there is only so much money to go around.
I agree with you about the looks of non-confidence and command that Stafford displays; at times he looks like he just put down the bong. I was never one who believed in giving him the job on a silver platter, but apparently, that’s what you get today, when you have to shell out big bucks for the #1 pick; this is also a matter of economics. He has never had to compete with another who had the potential to be a starting QB, and that’s why his attitude is the way it is; he was merely installed as the savior and destined HOFer before he took the first snap. If you didn’t drink the Kool-Aid… well, you just weren’t a true fan. LMAO The team that uses the #1 to draft Luck will go through the same thing, depending on their supporting cast.
It’s not his fault though; the Lions have always mishandled the QB position, while overvaluing it, to the detriment of the rest of the team. In the 60’s, the Lions defense hated the offense. I’m not sure why the Lions carry 3 QBs, if they aren’t going to use them when your top one is struggling and injured. It mostly has to do with his paycheck, but this is his 3rd year in the organization, and Stafford has the look of a casual leader, despite his ability to wing a football. He has made some strides this season, but the Lions are going nowhere, with his 2-7 record within the division. When you look at a guy like Ponder in his 1st year, you think… WOW… dude looks like a QB; the way he moves; the way he looks over a defense; nothing in results yet though, but he looks confident. Stafford gives you that, “oh well… here I am” look." When he sustains a minor injury and asked if he’ll play, he responds with, “well, we’ll just have to wait and see.” With that minor foot injury, he acted as if someone shot him with a 12 gauge. The team doctors cleared him, but he had to go get a 2nd opinion; he’s afraid of getting injured -it consumes him, and prevents him from developing mental toughness in a normal learning curve. He’s taken a nose-dive since Bests’ 2nd concussion, and might me thinking, “that could be me.” With this broken index finger, while he hasn’t thrown any wounded ducks the past two games, misfiring has been becoming a trend, and he really needs to get his head out of his ass.
But I agree with you, my friend… I’m not saying, nor ever have, that I deemed Stafford the answer here -the franchise QB; I’ve said, “Show me!” Matthew Stafford has sold lots of tickets for the Detroit Lions, and that’s always been the Lions’ #1 priority.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, what?
What alternate reality is this post coming from?
He’s hit 63% of his passes this year, he’s on pace for well over four thousand yards throwing, and his TD/INT ratio is 2:1 even after two really bad games with a broken index finger on his throwing hand.
Unless you want him to deliver you clones of his girlfriend, what more do you want from your QB? That’s better than all but a handful of seasons in the history of the Lions.
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by NobodySpecial on Nov 26, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I want Suh on the field to try to save the season
But guys Goodell carries a big f*ucking stick, and if you hadn’t noticed he’s not afraid to use it. My theory is Goodell will view this as a attempt to injury another player, a stomp is a stomp head or arm his intent was to hurt the other player.
Next he will make an example out of Suh so if any moron does somthing like this again he knows the hand of god or Goodell will be coming down on him…
Thank God, he didn't break his arm.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well on a different topic other than Suh..
I though Rashied Davis played great at corner!!! I mean he had to really wing it and covered Greg freakin Jennings like a pro! maybe we should revive his career at corner.. not lying. We need the depth and our wideout depth chart is packed. Might be a diamond in the rough
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I think he was inactive
In hind sight they could have really used his help, particularly given all the injuries
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Blowing up big this morning...
This whole Suh thing is blowing up on all the major “heavy hitters” of sports talk radio. Fortunately because of the holiday, you don’t have the Greenbergs, Golics, and Colin Cowherds at the mic; ESPN basically has the second string in. But still “SUH” is the main story, the main topic. On the MIke & Mike show you had Stephen A Smith as the main host and Skip Bayless in place of Golic. What Stephen A Smith basically said is that Suh, " cost the Lions the game" and went on to say that the future domino effect / ripple effect of what Suh did, will extend all the way to costing the Lions a spot in the post season. Good thing Colin Cowherd is off and Doug Gottlieb is filling in… Gottlieb is basically taking the line that Suh may have a mental problem. Anyway Suh, and as a side the Lions, are the main feature today on talk radio everywhere. Swartz better move fast …
Did anyone like how
the intro back from commercials they kept showing all the hands to suh’s face mask made by the offense that were never called!!! love it!!
up hill fight
Happens all the time.
Calvin also got his faskmasked yanked. And you know if that was a lions defender it would be on espn for two days
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Just heard ..
Best is out for the season .. Placed on IR …
I expected this since few weeks back when rumors came out but lions said no …
This is no surprise to me; been sayin' it since he went down again.
I’ll repeat, “We may never see him again… for his own good.”
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
From official website of the NFL...
NFL.com blog entry (actually the first one) : " I have watched the video several times. With Dietrich-Smith helpless on the ground and out of the play, Suh slammed his head to the turf several times, then stomped on his right arm. Later, Suh said he would only apologize to his teammates (for getting ejected – not for his actions). I played for seven seasons and have watched college and pro ball all my life and have rarely seen such an egregious and unrepentant example of unsportsmanlike conduct. For the good of the game and its many younger fans (and hopefully for the good of Suh as well), I urge everyone involved (the NFL, the Lions, Suh’s parents, etc.) to impose monumentally strict consequences for this sad and disheartening behavior. "
His mom needs to intervene here...
He’s said that he will only look upon himself as a dirty player, if his mom says he is. Momma Suh… comments?
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha!
Everyone who is/has been bashing Suh for his play yesterday is pathetic and sad. You guys sound like a bunch of Eagle’s fans. Suh continuously disrupts offensive schemes, plays with heart, goes out of his way to make everyone on this Defense better and this is how you repay him when he makes a mistake?
He made a mistake, and he didn’t own up to it. It’s HIS personal problem alone. And where is the support from fans? I’m not talking about going out and picketing with signs that say “We condone Suh’s bad play yesterday”. How about instead you just don’t take to the net and start talking trash and judging him.
There is so much wrong with how everyone besides Suh is dealing with this topic, it’s not even funny
Life is being on the wire, everything else is just waiting.
Sorry Matt but ...
No matter how much you think it is wrong that won’t change the fact that Ndamukong Suh is in some deep shit for this one all the way from galvanizing his reputation as a dirty player, to a monster fine and suspension, to losing his corporates sponsors like Chrysler & Subway. This has blown up in the entire sphere of sports media and is an ever growing snowball. Supposedly the NFL is going to review this next week. The best thing the Lions front office and coach Schwartz can do for Suh’s sake (and the team) is to impose a substantial in-house discipline ASAP.
I couldn't agree more Blk n Gld
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by I'mOpen,Matt!! on Nov 25, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Dumbest post I've ever read on here....
Congrats
by delusional on Nov 25, 2011 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The post above yours Black and Gold.
by delusional on Nov 25, 2011 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm so sorry you feel that way...
oh wait…no I’m not
Life is being on the wire, everything else is just waiting.
by I'mOpen,Matt!! on Nov 25, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
it's not dumb at all
so far we’ve had posts about how:
1) suh getting battery charges
2) fans needing to band together so that the lions can win more games (lol)
3) several aggrandizing posts from some super self-righteous mf’ers
a post about “stop bitching” makes a whole lotta sense to me! especially since nobody will care once the lions start winning (next year probably)
by redwingxviii on Nov 25, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Perhaps the poster is saying that “true fans” just stick their heads in the sand. It’s bad enough, and the Lions have been hurt enough, without Detroit fans being viewed as complete morons.
Suh was the one keeping the story alive, and hopefully, his press release about an hour ago, will now result in a suspensionof a game or two. I commend the Lions FO for issuing the earlier statement today calling the incident “unacceptable.”
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Nov 25, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'd have no problems with him if he stepped up and took accountability.
I’m glad he leads his team with heart and I realize he’s human and will make mistakes. It’s the fact that he denies his humanity and the fact he made a mistake that makes me upset with him. If he had said he screwed up and apologized to both Lions fans, the NFL, and the guard stomped on, it’d be a lot different.
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Suh and Stafford
Stafford should call and give Suh a huge thank you. If it weren’t for the Suh incident we would all be talking about the innept play of Stafford today. Yes injuries hurt. Yes bad calls hurt. ( and there were many) Yes penalties hurt and their were far too many. Yes Suhs blunder was the talk of the NFL and he will more than likely pay a heavy price. All of these things compiled together still don’t make up for an offense that just isn’t doing the job. Bad passes for whatever reason. Way too many holding penalties. False starts. The Lions don’t have a running game. They don’t have CBs that are anything more than average. The Lions have a number of pieces that will make them a very good team for a long time. If anyone would have told the fans the Lions would be an 8-8 team or maybe even 9-7 we would all have taken that in a minute. Should Suh be suspended? Sure. I think 2 games and a fat ass fine is in order. Think back a few short years ago when Ray Lewis of the Ravens was Public Enemy #1 in the NFL. He was the dirtiest player to ever set foot on a field right? Today he is a hero not only in Baltimore but across the entire NFL.
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Suhpid
my new word
Suhpid. adj how your most remembered play is defined
Suhpid. verb Your mom is more Suhpid than mine
Suhpid. noun I got stuck in my Suhpid ( see ass )
Suhpid adv his hat is so Suhpid
The new Hanseworth
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by I'mOpen,Matt!! on Nov 25, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Brian Robeson
The Brian Roberson kick was worse in my opinion kicking somebody in the DICK compared to the arm mediocre and the head mushing was minimal if you ask me I say fine him suspension I don’t know I’d argue with the kick to the dick
by MoeReese on Nov 25, 2011 10:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This is MUCH better...and I can accept this and move on.
I think this is Suh’s actual Facebook page, so I’ll go ahead and post this and then let you guys decide for yourselves. His status message today reads as follows:
In the past few hours, I have had time to reflect on yesterday’s game and I want to sincerely apologize for letting my teammates down, the organization, and especially to my fans who look to me for positive inspiration.
Playing professional sports is not a game. It is a profession with great responsibility, and where performance on and off the field should never be compromised. It requires a calm and determined demeanor, which cannot be derailed by the game, referee calls, fans or other players.
I want to reiterate my commitment to working to become a better player, and professional—on and off the field. My reaction on Thursday was unacceptable. I made a mistake, and have learned from it. I hope to direct the focus back to the task at hand — by winning.
Now that is the kind of attitude I want to see. Be a man and own up to your mistakes. If this is how Ndamukong Suh TRULY feels, then I think he will be fine. If it is just a last ditch effort to avoid suspension, and he continues to act and react in the same manner as we saw on Thanksgiving, I do not think he will have a very long career in the NFL. Remember how tough NFL teams are on guys with “character issues” in the NFL draft?? Well, I think it works the same way once they are actually playing in the NFL. Nobody wants a player that takes actions that are detrimental to the success of the team as a whole.
I hope he learns his lesson this time, but there is still no doubt in my mind that he will be handed a 4 game suspension at a minimum. He may appeal and have that reduced, but I’m not too sure even that can happen. He can be a great player, and channel his aggression positively, for the benefit of his TEAM. He is not above the TEAM, and he has to learn that the team has to come first. He does not have to rip off helmets, use unnecessary roughness, slam people’s heads into the ground, and stomp on them in order to be the best DT in the NFL. He just needs to use his God given talents, his strength, and his BRAIN to use “reasonable force” to get the job done, without the psychotic episodes, and he can be a pro bowler, an all pro, and a hall of famer.
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That's crap written by the Lions PR Dept.....McCoskey was going off about it.
He’s just playing us for fools, I’m done with him.
Good luck being done with Suh, dude.
For better or for worse, he’s arguably the face of our franchise, now.
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I agree with delusional - sounds like PR Dept BS to me...
How about an apology for the guy whose head he smashed into the turf and he stomped on?
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I think Suh will get 2 games
Haynesworth got four for stomping on a guy’s face without a helmet. At least if this was the NHL, it would be considered how the guy that got stomped popped up like a jack-in-the-box.
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