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I know that I am a few days late to the party - due to returning from a well-needed vacation - and I also know that the topic of "Stomp Gate" has been discussed ad nauseam, but I felt the need to weigh in because of the nature of my opinion.  Although I knowingly open myself to harsh criticism and I suppose I am also openly pot-stirring, I will still try to tread forward lightly and with some trepidation as I am no doubt in the minority here and want to be careful not to offend.  I have watched the "stomp heard ‘round the world" quite a few times, probably even enough to get a tad callous about it.  Maybe that helps form my opinion... who knows.  Either way, my opinion is this... I don't think Suh should be suspended by the league or by the team.

Let me add right away that I do NOT agree with his actions here.  I think they were childish and completely self-serving, but egregious to the point of warranting suspension?  I personally don't see it.  My take is that this is a product of an overly haughty media and fanbase ready to vilify a guy that plays hard and is overly aggressive in what USED TO BE an overly aggressive sport.  I read the fanpost by Timothy Hockemeyer (very good piece, I might add) and agree with many of his points - most of them being ones that shape my opinion.  I won't re-hash those points in full, but the fact remains that football used to be played by men that were glorified for Suh's style of play.  Many of the greats like Jack Lambert or Dick Butkus have highlight reels full of plays far more flagrant than Suh's stomp.  I know, I know... different era.  It's still pure aggression nonetheless and regardless of what Roger Goodell and ill-intentioned media-lites want to do to the game of football, aggression does have a place here.

As I watch the video, I personally, understand Suh's frustration.  He gets bent over backwards with Dietrich-Smith's arm hooked around the back of his head.  He's trying to get up and can't at first and he gets pissed.  You know the two of them are "talking" at each other while on the ground and things are getting heated.  Both guys are likely riled up.  Suh retaliates.  To me... I say "big deal".  Should he have kicked the guy?  Absolutely not, but I can't say that at age 24 I would have been any less prone to acting out in a similar situation built of pure aggression.  There is absolutely NO denying that Suh has to manage that angst so that it doesn't hurt his team, but I am simply saying that I completely understand his frustration and subsequent outburst.  Guess that makes me a bad person too, huh?  I'd like to think not, but I'm sure everyone would have an opinion about that if I was famous and tweeted these sentiments.  My view is that while I don't have the answer and neither does anyone one other than Suh, the question of intent is completely pivotal in the case of whether or not a suspension is warranted.  Did Ndamukong Suh INTEND to hurt Evan Dietrich-Smith with his foot?  In my mind, the answer is a resounding "no".  When I watch the tape, I see a frustrated, immature young man stomping his foot at the situation and player causing him that frustration and nothing more.  I don't see intent to maim or injure.  I don't see this as any more egregious as someone swatting/swinging at the facemask or helmet of another player after the whistle.  A 15 yd penalty?  Yes.  Ejection... nope.  Suspension... nope. 

Ndamukong Suh is not a bad person.  He is not a villain.  He is not a dirty player.  He is aggressive and still a bit immature on the field.  He is still one of my all-time favorite Lion players.  He plays the game like a man... like it used to be played.  He has to keep that aggression from being a detriment to his team and he will.  And he will also, like most good players, grow up and learn to compose himself in a better way.  Once again, I am not absolving Suh of his actions, I just see a lot of glass house living stone throwers trying to make him out to be an evil person when they all know that is not the case.  Once again, I know that I am in the minority here and that's fine.  Everyone has an opinion on the subject... which can be part of the problem.  I feel like Goodell's currently weak public perception forces him to HAVE to suspend Suh because the talk of suspension started immediately after he was ejected.  After the game, the media jumped on this story like there was no tomorrow and set the stage for the suspension.  Now, there is no turning back.  If he hadn't been ejected, the talk would be of fines and only fines.  That is, however, not reality and Suh will be suspended and Detroit will be without their most dominant defender in the next game or two.  Yes, it is Suh's fault for acting out.  No, I am not absolving him of the blame.  And yes, I am highly irritated at what football has become to the league and in the eyes of the people who built the game into an empire on the wings of aggression and now seek to vilify those who still play that way.  Again, it comes down to intent and I don't believe Suh intended to hurt that player.  Let the second rounding of rock throwing begin.....

Just a warning that my glass house is pretty damn thick.... Lol.

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Hey,

Its frustrating when the big bully gets picked on.

The way I see it is… It’s getting hot in Suh’s kitchen, and since he can’t take the heat, the NFL is gonna take him out.

…. 4th down… on a 4th down play. You know damn well the Packer’s Oline had this in their plans. Its no different than a hard count, or snapping the ball as the d is trying to substitute…. Suh let them win.

For that I’m disappointed.

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by CLF on Nov 28, 2011 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

It was all in their game plan....pretty telling when teams now game plan for Lion player stupidity.

And your right Drew, first off I hope you had a wonderful vacation and hunt…..2nd of all you are late to the party and many things have been said. I feel my points are clear, and one of them is Suh will no longer be a focus of mine in being a Lion’s fan.

Is your head as big as your Mama's ass?

by delusional on Nov 28, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Good vacation, terrible hunt... lol

I just wanted to put my thoughts out there… been stewing on them for a few days. I certainly can understand the negativity towards Suh, but I truly think he’s been too harshly vilified in this. Football has gone soft.

by DrewsLions on Nov 28, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I do my own processing... always have.

My Dad taught me when I first started. I can do it pretty quickly now and I KNOW where my meat has been…. lol (pun intended). I make my own sausage and jerky too. Actually, I’m kind of a jerky connoisseur. Not bad for a white-collar finance boy, eh? Still got a lot of the U.P. in me…….

by DrewsLions on Nov 28, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Tannery Creek Meat Market?...nope

Neff’s Sausages on Atkins rd just east of Maplewood rd…He’s across Mitchell, then like 2 minutes from me.

He’s an old time retired sausage maker and butcher that used to work at Glen’s North before it was Glen’s. Very proud of his work, he showed me magazine write ups about himself. It wasn’t cheap, but he did do very nice work.

Is your head as big as your Mama's ass?

by delusional on Nov 28, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I used to have it done at Bud's. He's near your building, up the hill a bit on Myrtle st.

His wife had died and I wasn’t sure if he still did it. He used to be a butcher at Glen’s North also.

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by delusional on Nov 28, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm in agreement with you Drew ( I also feel like I'm in the minority)

and all the arguements for and against have been spewed forth over the last few days, whats done is done. Lets see what the punishment is and then we can complain about the double standard Suh is recieving when the next “dirty” incident happens no matter what team/player commets the infraction.

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by jalf on Nov 28, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Great post, Drew!

couldn’t have said it any better

Life is being on the wire, everything else is just waiting.

by I'mOpen,Matt!! on Nov 28, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Football HAS gone soft, and while the sound of that comment is that it's for the bad....what we as fans don't see...

Is the crippling life long handicaps many of players go through the rest of their lives after their 4 year average playing career is over.

This is a chew em up and spit em out business, granted they knew that going in but really what else do a lot of them know what to do for a living? While I along with the vast majority of fans loved the old school style of football, something had to be done to help these players walk away intact. While in the scrum dirty play is generally old school and still takes place, and while the NFL has gone a bit sissy at times with some of these protection rules, all I want is a team that plays hard and within today’s scope of rules.

I wouldn’t blink twice at a knee to another players padded junk, but a wound up stomp to a unprotected prone player is about as bad as it can get in my eyes, and I don’t even want such a player on my team.
 Everyone wants to say how great he is and how he’ll take us to the playoffs and beyond, all I see is a player pushing his own agenda, playing stupid, multiple times now, and a player who has hurt the team with selfish play as much as helping it.

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by delusional on Nov 28, 2011 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Del....

I understand these points, but that chew em up and spit em out business makes a lot of these guys millionaires overnight. They all know the risks associated. Knowing their lives could be changed in an instant deters exactly 0% of athletes not to sign that contract. That’s a fact.

I don’t wanna seem like I don’t care about player safety… I do. I hate seeing players get injured. But make that push in the area of helmet and uniform/pad design… not changes to nearly a centuries old game (that used to be played without helmets). You can’t take the heart out of the game… which is ferocity and aggression. Without it, it’s not football.

by DrewsLions on Nov 28, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Lose/Lose

The way I see, lashing out with that stomp was an unacceptable act, but thats no reason to dump your hate and fustration on him. You might as well hate Backus for every time he Holds…oh wait, that might explain alot…

If the NFL doesn’t hand out a signifcant fine and a 1-2 game suspenion I will be disappointed. Afterward all is fine and dandy.

But if the NFL punishes him more severly than what they did with Charles Woodson for that sucker punch against the Saints or Brain Robinson for jabbing T.J. Lang in the Nards, they have become a villian in there own right.

Also if the Refs dont start calling a fair game in the trenches. These guys will continue to get a bit rilled up.

This of course doesn’t excuse Suh. I really don’t understand the hate for him.

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by Phreaking Mohican on Nov 28, 2011 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

IMO one problem is Suh is 0 for 2 kicking in his professional career

good thing he is a lineman not paid to kick
nice post by the way…

- I think if he really intended to harm the guy he would have… I agree this was more like posturing, and very poorly timed, poor situational awareness… easily interpreted as going over the line regardless of his intentions and the ejection from the game was warranted.

I am still debating on the suh-pension but don’t think he is the worst of the worst and not much different than Lee who also got kicked out of the game after the whistle… and not as bad as Earle Doucet of the Cardinals who was punching the back of Dolshon Goldston’s head while he was down (Goldston got the boot for fighting but no suspension when he retaliated), and if prone position is a measuring stick then Stafford was prone when DJ Moore jumped him (even if Stafford started it)

This Lions team is edgy and highly emotional, and it wasn’t a stretch to see that penalties would continue to cost them in games kind of like I can see some more big special team returns taking place against the Lions this year as that’s been another running theme

Suh crossed the line, but has he been this way his whole career?…
people get to site the dirtiest player in NFL poll, his fines (at least one of which came on the cutler shove), and the fact he’s been self promoting. Having watched his whole pro career (minus the preseason games) the delhomme hit was nearest to this.
The McCoy hit could be argued he didn’t see the ball go,
the Cutler hit was a shove,
the Barber tackle was a hair pull,
the Cutler hit where he lost his helmet this year and no flag was thrown but the announcers and highlights still showed it suggesting dirty play was not flagged or fined… there was another call for a shot to the head where he blasted through two lineman and the hand came up but I didn’t think he intentionally went high….

also beware the Packer fans coming around here just to let you know Suh is dirty.
 … cue packer fans…
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by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Nov 28, 2011 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

what I've seen this year is..............

The Ref’s are letting the interior o-lineman get away with a lot of clutching . hooking. grabbing all throughout the NFL even for our beloved Lions.

I’ve seen a lot of frustrated defensive tackles this year the NFL has to accept some of the blame.

On the other hand they are calling chop-blocks on anything close even if the 1st blocker never engages.

Our coordinators need to adapt to the obvious NFL officiating agenda.

I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.

by Wayne Fontes on Nov 28, 2011 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

I was going to bring that up

Watch the 2 plays before the STOMP. The Packers center and LG are both bear-hugging Suh and picking him up. Another play, a Packer (I think it was the alter-boy Kuhn, not positive) purposely went after Suhs knees plain as day. The Packers coaches were coaching them to play dirty to get a retaliation and it worked.
I’m not defending the STOMP or Suh. He’s going to be suspended. I just hope the league office looks at the plays leading up the STOMP and uses that to determine suspension length. Anything more than 1 game is bullshit.

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by JazzyBBP on Nov 28, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

if this was really going on, we need video of it.

I will believe it when I see it again and again. (nothing personal bro)

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by joshsun on Nov 28, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I know. I've been searching for it

Tim Twentyman was on Ch7s Sports Works Sunday night and it was during his segment he presented this. I can’t find the clip.

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by JazzyBBP on Nov 28, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

That James Jones admitted that they were anticipating Suh losing his cool.

What would Earl Boykins do?

by FMFDOC8404 on Nov 30, 2011 3:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I have NFL gamerewind

I watch all the games throughout the week stop pause replay I enjoy breaking down the film the interior oline are getting away with muggings Suh gets held 7 out of 10 plays but it happens to a bunch of DT’s could be because of the stud DT’s coming out of college or just giving the QB time in the pocket. Look at how few penalties our interior lineman have the ones they get are generally on running plays. Explains why we haven’t heard Petermans name much this year.

I thought being lazy was a bad thing, So I gave up thinking.

by Wayne Fontes on Nov 28, 2011 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

They did call him

for a hold once though and the hold wasn’t visible to me. go figure

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by Justan Oldfart on Nov 28, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

this will all be old news soon

and i am already over it. vick, plaxico, rapelessburger, hatnesworth. noone talks about these much any more. let suh take his medicine and move on.

by dfwLions on Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

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