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Lions Video Review: Detroit Defense Gets Webb'd

Easily the most frustrating part of the Lions' near-collapse against the Minnesota Vikings was second/third-string quarterback Joe Webb running wild on the Detroit defense. In the post-game press conference Jim Schwartz gave Webb a lot of credit, saying that they threw a lot of looks at him and Webb countered nearly all of them:

Our hat is in full off position to Joe Webb because he was very, very difficult for us to handle. We tried everything. We were spying him with five guys, we were spying him with four, we were playing coverage – we were all-out blitzing him.

Let's take a look at some of these defensive schemes and break down why they failed against Webb. WARNING: PAINFULLY GRAPHIC IMAGES OF BAD DEFENSE AHEAD

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The only place to start for this article is Webb's 65-yard scramble in the third quarter. It was third-and-10 and the Lions called an extremely aggressive defense to stop Webb. If you want to subject yourself to the pain, the video is below:

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The Lions send six rushers (two blitzers) against the Vikings' four-wide set. This leaves the five men in coverage in man-to-man against five receivers. The Lions are clearly trying to force Webb to make a mistake on third-and-long. With six pass-rushers going against five blockers, the advantage is on the Lions side to force Webb into a quick decision. Here's what happens:

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The blitzing DeAndre Levy draws a lineman, freeing up Cliff Avril to head straight toward Webb. Here's where the play breaks down. With additional pressure coming from the top, Avril must force Webb to either stay in the pocket, or direct him toward the extra pressure. Instead, Avril does not keep contain on his side and allows Webb to escape where there is no help behind Avril.

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At this point, the play is mostly over. You can see that if Webb would've been forced to his left, he would have run into trouble. But at this point, the only person who has a chance at making the stop is Stephen Tulloch. All other defenders in coverage have been drawn to the top of the screen by the men they are covering. Tulloch takes a bad angle and...

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Gone.

In my opinion, this was too aggressive of a play call by Gunther Cunningham. I understand the logic behind forcing Webb into a quick throw on third-and-long, but you are asking too much of your pass-rushers here. Webb is incredibly hard to contain, and when they have very little help behind them, the defense is way too vulnerable to allowing a huge play. Avril deserves some blame for this play, but the play call didn't put him in a favorable position.

The safer play call seems to be keeping a spy on Webb, which, according to Schwartz, was also tried on Webb. Fast-forward to the fourth quarter, the Vikings are facing another third-and-ten. This time, the Lions give a very different look:

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This time, the Lions only send three pass-rushers and have Avril as a QB spy. The rest of the secondary is in zone, with two deep safeties off-screen playing two-deep. Early on, things look good:

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Webb can't find anyone open downfield and begins to scramble to his right. Avril follows him, but over-commits to that side by heading into the backfield. Webb reverses field, but the Lions are still in good position to stop him well before the first down markers.

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Levy is in position to make the play behind the line of scrimmage with Corey Williams and the hustling Avril bearing down on Webb. Levy does the one thing he cannot allow Webb to do, juke him to the outside away from the extra pursuit.

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As a result, Webb picked up eight yards, the Vikings went for it on fourth down, easily converted, and eventually scored a touchdown bringing them within one score.

On this play, the call was correct, but the execution failed. Avril overcommitted on his spying duties and Levy just got straight-up embarrassed by Webb. But despite his initial mistake, Avril deserves a ton of credit for making the hustle play and stopping Webb before the first down. Check out where Avril comes from to make the tackle:

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So what did work against Webb? Well, not much. But on the play they needed a stop the most, the Lions called the perfect play. Watch this play and all of its glory below (ignore the title):

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The Lions are again playing a very aggressive defense. This time, they are sending seven pass rushers. Obviously, there is no worry of giving up a "big" play, as the Vikings only need one yard. The key to this play is Stephen Tulloch, who is currently seen shooting eye-lasers at his responsibility on this play, Toby Gerhart. Tulloch quickly sees that Gerhart is not getting the ball and is helping in pass protection. Instead of rushing Webb immediately, Tulloch slides to where Webb is beginning to scramble.

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Even if Webb is able to elude DeAndre Levy (which we all know he will not), Tulloch is in the perfect position to stop Webb well before he reaches the end zone.

A lot of credit goes to Chris Harris, who has solid coverage on Kyle Rudolph, the intended receiver on the play. Webb didn't like what he saw out of coverage and immediately went into scramble mode.

For his great positioning, Tulloch was given the gift of recovering the game-winning fumble...

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... or not. Nice try, Stephen.

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Even you guys have to admit

he was fun to watch.

"Winning isn't everything but losing is nothing" - Ace Bricka coach of the Galaxy Aces

by FFXVIKE on Dec 14, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely not.

If he was playing the Packers and he did this to you, would you sit back and go, “Boy, that was fun to watch, almost getting beat by the 2-10 Vikings’ second string QB.”

Nope.

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by Bighaircut on Dec 14, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Shit.

Packers Vikings

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by Bighaircut on Dec 14, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey I thought Barry Sanders was fun to watch

you guys need to be more open minded.

"Winning isn't everything but losing is nothing" - Ace Bricka coach of the Galaxy Aces

by FFXVIKE on Dec 15, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Even you guys have to admit

he was fun to watch.

Yeah I’m more of a Stafford guy, but what do I know.

That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice

by Skylar on Dec 14, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

When I was a child

I loved to pick at the scabs I had gotten from being a stupid monster of a child. It hurt and sucked but I kept doing it, probably because I was bored.

I think watching Webb run wild on my team is comparable to that.

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by joshsun on Dec 15, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

YES

I definitely noticed this reviewing the tape. Although Webb has a tendency to make everyone look slow.

by simscity on Dec 14, 2011 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Tulloch was never known for being fast.

But he’s strong and smart, and has a good feel for how plays developed. Look at how massive his thighs are — he’s not going to be very fast when he’s got two tree trunks below the hips.

No slogans. Just win!!!

by drgarnett on Dec 14, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing with Webb is

that not only can he run, but he is a BIG dude. He just doesn’t go down very easily (when players can actually get to him.)

Did you guys see the size of that chicken?

by studmo on Dec 14, 2011 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

it makes when Suh got him last year on the sidelines

when he almost broke containment that much more impressive-
he got the cutler shove but not penalty

by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Dec 14, 2011 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

It was definitely a problem of reps

The DEs probably hadn’t been practicing contain since Denver.

Thank God we got out alive is all I have to say

by Hurr Durr on Dec 14, 2011 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

I'd say it's easier to contain with Suh in there gobbling up double teams.

Although I’d say the DE do crash inside too much. KVB gets caught on those outside runs too.
I think we miss Lawrence Jackson a lot more than it looks.

No slogans. Just win!!!

by drgarnett on Dec 14, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure I buy this excuse

When the game was over, I was kind of thinking the same thing, but then I remembered that Ponder was looking like he wasn’t going to play throughout the week. And if they really didn’t take any reps with Webb in mind during the week, I think that’s a coaching mistake.

by simscity on Dec 14, 2011 8:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I get your point but

we’ve seen this kind of thing repeatedly this year — the ends or LBs (mostly Levy or KVB) come inside so hard that runners just bounce outside and get big gains. Forte did it, Jamaal Charles was doing it before he was injured, it just happens over and over. Avril has improved since he first started but he’s still prone to misreading plays on occasion.

No slogans. Just win!!!

by drgarnett on Dec 14, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody who says they didn't plan for webb (or try to excuse that)

has little ground to stand on. Like SC said, the notion that Ponder may miss the game was repeated on both national and local media, Coaches should’ve planned better for that.

That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice

by Skylar on Dec 15, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that's the only reason I'm not completely upset

Had they game planned an entire week for a qb with Webbs running ability and still let that happen, then I wouldn’t be as optimistic about making the playoffs.

by pvk162 on Dec 14, 2011 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

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