Under the category: He has a point
by joshsun on Dec 21, 2011 8:13 PM EST
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PrintJames Harrison was recently suspended one game for his hit on Colt McCoy. Reading this article it seems like Harrison is very slowly learning what the league does and does not want in the NFL. In that article Harrison did make one point that got me thinking.
If his actions hurt McCoy that badly, why was the QB allowed to return to the game. In a league that pretends to care about concussions and player injuries, why is Cleveland not facing some sort of penalty in this instance?
I understand the NFL will be hiring a Certified trainer that will be responsible for guiding the team doctors on how to deal with players that have concussion symptoms. A good move that should have been made a long time ago but it does not address what the Browns did. They clearly ignored a league initiative and risked the long term health of a player. How is that really any different than what Harrison did?
In fact, one could argue that harrison's hit was a bad split second decision while the doctors responsible for his health had far more time to make the right decision and ultimately failed to do so.
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They can't punish the whole team for something that their trainers should have noticed
Colt didn’t have to come back in the game either. He had to have known that he was hurting. The Browns staff could use an upgrade in that department, but the whole team should not have to suffer for the mistake of one.
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You are right
I should have said in the poll, some kind of financial penalty.
250k or something like that.
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Still don't think so...
Like Profiler said, I don’t even think he was showing signs of a concussion early. Now, I’ve never had a concussion, but wouldn’t you kind of just know something wasn’t right with you if you have one?
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I have heard of concussions just like that
No initial external signs but those players always failed concussion tests with further testing. The more I hear about it, the more I think a decided lack of awareness on their sideline allowed this to happen.
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exactly ive played lots of ball and i honestly havent seen someone with concussion not get confused after good questioning and tests
ive seen guys play concussed where we literally have to remind him what he is doing before each snap
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That's the key
after good questioning and tests
There aren’t any currently. Players intentionally set their baseline responses to give them a better chance to pass when they get their clock cleaned. Why should the Browns be punished because McCoy passed his baseline tests and any other criteria to be able to return to the game?
It would be ridiculously irresponsible to punish a team because the league’s concussion rules aren’t perfect yet.
Here’s what I saw in the article:
McCoy developed concussion-like symptoms following the game
Following the game. Should they have let him back in the game? Probably not. Did they break any rules? Not that I’ve read. The possibility exists that they may have overlooked things, but until that info comes out….stfu and take your medicine Harrison.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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Poor Brownies
As if they dont have enough problems with having yet again another losing season (Unlike us :) They get in trouble with the league because their qb got gobsmacked by a mean man. Poor Brownie fans. I hope things get better for them…
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by YpsilantiJeff on Dec 22, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I get what you are saying here man
but I get the impression he was not tested at all.
If that is true, that is a huge failure on the Brown end.
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you watch the video on camera and theyre all looking at his hand as if the head wouldnt even be a concern after he laid there motionless
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that is a huge failure on their part then
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It was a failure on their part.
Just not a punishable one under the current rules. As he was down, he was squirming around and he was flexing his hand and they checked out his forearm, it appeared to me. He should have been tested and I can’t seem to confirm if he was or not. If he wasn’t tested, that is a shame on the Browns scenario.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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That is one way of thinking abou it
There is no precedence for fining a team for failing to check their player properly for a concussion. This event could be the precedence for future fines if teams fail in this area?
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It could very well be.
Its important to me to distinguish between setting a precedent and making an example of. Setting a precedent would be to (rightfully) adjust the rules. Making a bad example of would be to punish the Browns and leave it at that.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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agreed
For what it is worth.
I think you can do both. Adjust the rules to be more specific and punish the team because they knew damn well what the intentions of the rules were and choose to do otherwise.
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That's good enough for me.
We both want to get to the same destination. It just seems we’re content to ride different buses there.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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and I am not entirely opposed to your
point of view here.
I just think the Browns were overly negligent in this scenario.
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I've noticed that there have been a few recent issues
where I agree with you in principle, but it seems our discipline philosophies are a bit different.
I can live with that.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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yeah
me too.
its ok, we are human. Disagreeing is all part of the fun.
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I'll admit
sometimes I’ll play Tebow’s advocate, even if I disagree. Don’t tell anyone.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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happens, on a different but related point
I defend sometimes when i do not believe in the cause just because I know i my heart it is doing otherwise is wrong.
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Full disclosure:
I’ll do it just to piss someone off who’s being an asshole.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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lol
full disclosure:
Me too, generally because if someone is being an asshole, he is probably wrong.
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I strive to find a way
to do the right thing and be right….all while still being an asshole. Its a personal goal.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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no way, he was moving around quite suspiciously right after that
and he wasn’t even tested for it. Then after that so many things he did were suspicious as well.
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Suspicious?
I can’t roll with that. There was a guy lurking around my house the other day, acting all suspicious. I could have called the cops, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Turns out he was just reading my meter and couldn’t find it right away.
I’m willing to admit that as I don’t think I would have let McCoy play again that game. Even though I think it was irresponsible, I’m against punishing anyone for not breaking rules.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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His point is completely invalid
He was punished for an illiegal hit. One he has been fined for time and time again. The Browns made a mistak one that Holmgem and coaches have done everything to try and make good on to help prevent it from happening again. James Harrison as always is full of shit and making excuse for James Harrison the only thing he cares about. Truth is Colt showed no signs before going back in that he had a concussion. Why is that his or anyone elses fault ? Grade a BS to me.
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I understand that point of view
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btw
did he really show no signs or were they ignored. That is the part that worries me.
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From what I heard
Sounds like he did show any signs on the sidline and sense the trainers missed the hit dealing with other injurys. They never thought to check him. But the league has changed the rules now there will be a league employed doctor at all the games now in the boot that will see every hit and can talk to the trainers below to let them know if there is anything specific they need to be looking for.
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by The Profiler on Dec 21, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
no signs of it?
I mean I wasn’t there, but from what I saw he seemed to be showing signs. He was moving slower and with a very different gate. He didn’t perform normally once he was put back in and I can’t believe he even sounded the same. He seemed messed up to me.
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Chris Houston exhibited those same symptoms in our last game.
I don’t think it was a concussion though.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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Punish Harrison, of course.
..but I said it before and I’ll ask it again- Somebody should’ve lost their job over this. Complete mishandling of a serious injury to McCoy. His dad was right on.
They either ignored/didn’t know what the signs of a concussion were. That’s shit that a high school coaching staff would’ve recognized. Deplorable. Solidly inept. I really think someone should’ve been fired from the Browns’ staff. They didn’t even test the kid. They just asked him if he wanted to go back out. After a hit like that, you sit the kid, you monitor how he feels and you do not engage him in physical and mental activity. It’s pretty elementary.
Harrison deflecting blame for what he did onto idiot trainers/coaches is pathetic and disingenuous- but based on how he speaks and acts, it’s to be expected.
The entire situation disgusts me, to be honest. I’m nowhere close to a Browns fan, but a kid like Colt McCoy deserves better people around him. Right on up to Holmgren. Holmgren lost a ton of my respect for him after showing he couldn’t be truthful about what happened that day.
Fuck the Browns.
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They either ignored/didn’t know what the signs of a concussion were. That’s shit that a high school coaching staff would’ve recognized. Deplorable. Solidly inept.
yup.
I wonder how people around here would feel if something like this happened to Staff.
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I'd feel the same.
Change the rules. Don’t punish a team because of what the rules were supposed to mean, change the rules to have more clarity. I’m not giving the teams a free pass, I just think its necessary to have better rules rather than just formally punish folks using the ’that’s what we meant’ justification.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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I’m not giving the teams a free pass, I just think its necessary to have better rules rather than just formally punish folks using the ’that’s what we meant’ justification.
I understand that point of view but I tend to think of it like this.
We all know what the league was trying to do in relation to concussions. I find it nearly impossible to accept the excuse “well the rules are not clear” argument. That sounds like a cop out by a team that failed to do what it should have done to me.
I understand not everyone will feel that way but it just stinks of… Ok the rules are vague, lets dance on the edge of them until someone tells us otherwise.
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Assuming snippets of what I read where they checked him out are true,
how far past that do they go? Every hit should they give a full physical? Should they be punished for failing to do a CT Scan? I don’t see it as a “well the rules are not clear” excuse, I see it more as “we followed all the rules” excuse. If McCoy gets hit hard and complains of a hurt arm/hand, should they do a concussion check? If a player gets hit hard and hurts his ankle, like Big Ben, should they do a concussion check? Maybe they should, everytime. However, they followed the current rules and people want to punish them. Even though I completely disagree with the decision to put McCoy back in the game, punishing the Browns for following current rules is a pill I cannot swallow.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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I think that when the rules are put in place that a fine would be acceptable.
However in this case the rules arent “clearly stated” as to what to do when these things happen. Now, what i don’t understand in this case is even given the situation( other players were being attended to and no one saw the monster hit harrison laid out) how in the fuck they missed that. How NOBODY said hey you should check that guys head out, players,coaches alike. Kind of like someone mentioned earlier harris had a head to head hit that didn’t look half as bad and went to the sidelines and then the locker room almost immediately.
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This bothers me….
However in this case the rules arent "clearly stated" as to what to do when these things happen.
The browns know damn well what the intention was of those rules and that hit was not a run of the mill hit. He was flat out TRUCKED. A penalty was called on Harrison for helmet to helmet contact.
The abundant flags were there for everyone to see. Hell man, my first thought was “concussion” and I am just a regular person.
I just keep going back to it. The Browns failed miserably.
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They did fail.
I hope I’ve at least gotten that across in my posts. However, I’m trying to emphasize that the league’s rules have failed also. If they fine the team, fine, I don’t agree with it, but ultimately that’s not what I care about. What I don’t want to happen is they fine Cleveland and then don’t adjust the rules.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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Then you should be happy
The league is paying for each sideline to have a concussion expert for all games.
And these guys/ladies are not going to be paid by the teams. It stands to be tested how much authority these people will have.
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I heard they're going to be in the booths josh.
I have yet to see that they’re going to be on the sideline, like I think they should be. I could be wrong, but I haven’t seen the contrary.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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booths
yeah, I just read that online too.
Not exactly optimal. Unless….
they are up there to ensure this type of situation does not happen again. Say a QB gets laid out again, he/she calls down to the trainer crew and tells them they have to test this guy.
This persons power to control the trainers is paramount to this change and its effectiveness.
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Its a positive step, I'll take it.
I would like to see them on the sidelines overseeing though. Are trainers qualified enough? Kirwan suggested neurologists. Maybe a bit much, but I can’t say I hate that.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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How about Grad student Neurologists?
Those kids need real life experience and the NFL creates a ton of them.
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I can accept that.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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The more I think about it
the more sense it makes.
for three hours these kids are put under pressure practicing their heavily studied trade and it leaves a ton of time for further studies and work ect.
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and possible advances in concussion studies
by future professionals. I’m waiting for the downside.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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lack of pratical experience?
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I've never liked that one.
People always want experience, well, you gotta start somewhere.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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agreed
the litigious nature of our society makes people scared to be the ones to give out that hands on experience.
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If any good came of this.
Its that now there will be officials on the sideline that are looking out for these kind of incidents so teams don’t have the excuse that “they didnt see it”.I agree josh I think taking advantage of a rule not being stated is bullshit it just kind of is what it is in this case.
The league needs to designate somebody responsible for this.
As I remember, the browns said that the trainers were tending to other players, so they didn’t see the play and were therefore unaware of the extent of the possibility of concussion.
Despite the fact that I personally think the Browns’ story is a load of crap, it does have one very valid point. Why isn’t there somebody who is medically trained who’s job it is to ALWAYS be watching the play (and replays)?? That seems like an oversight that should be fixed.
If they just picked somebody who needed to clear a player to play (kinda like the ref has to give the ok to let a hurt guy back on the field in soccer) than the responsibility for this wouldn’t just slip through the cracks.
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The league needs to designate somebody responsible for this.
Boom! League shouldn’t punish the Browns, they should fix the problem with the rule. Nice work Unda
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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Didnt Favre and Kitna both have concussions in games before?
And still played the rest of the game but dont remember playing? same kind of thing
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Certainly possible.
Honestly if you told me Roethlesberger played during one I wouldn’t be surprised either.
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Everybody was ripping on Harrison for saying this
But I agree with him. If the league is SOOOOOOOOO Worried about injuries how can they not do anything? At the very least they should extend some kind of warning.
I'm with you
I think the league has gotten too sensitive about this stuff as a whole. Then again they don’t seem to mind doing things that punish players or even coaches but god forbid they do something that hurts the owners bottom line.
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I fail to understand...
How an NFL player can think he was fined due to the damage caused.
And With an obvious reality issue, how anything he says after that could be relevant.
I, as a fan, do not want to “go down that road” of fining teams/players for game time decisions with regards to concussions.
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Well we sat Harris, and went with wendling
Wasnt in the teams best decision but they did the right thing. It didn’t give our team the best chance to win but we sat him.
As much as Harrison pisses me off, he’s right, colt could of done more damage to himself by being out there. Harrison’s hit was head to head but it was colts horrible decision that set him up for it. He was prone to make more horrible decisions with a concussion
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by Gyorick on Dec 22, 2011 8:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly my point..
Getting a big paint brush out to make every situation the same could turn the game into a nightmare.
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I think this could serve a precident for the future
I can see fines coming if something like this happens again.
Happier than a pig in shit that I was wrong about Matthew Stafford since 2009!
Go Lions, Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons!
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I read that the Browns claimed that they followed the NFL guidelines for checking out players hit in the head.
There is supposed to be a procedure to follow with players that are hit like this. If Cleveland did ignore it, they should suffer some kind of penalty. Which is most likely a fine.
My 2011 Lions season prediction: 12 wins and 4 losses. I made this prediction the week after the New England preseason game. Well, so much for that prediction. 10 and 6 anyone?
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Agreed.
If they ignored it, then and only then, should they be fined.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
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See, I read that...
But after hearing Shurmer’s interview on Sirius NFL (MTC)… He said they did.
I’d rather believe a coach (1st person) than a ‘report’ that makes for a good story.
that’s just me.
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i have had a few concussions
And it takes somebody else to determine whether you’re jacked up or not. The worst one I couldn’t remember most of my senior year of high school. I got hurt during the first 15 min of the game and didn’t come out until half (soccer). Then when the half ended, I stayed on the field just standing there until my coach walked me off.
Others I have just forgotten a few minutes before. But everytime, you don’t realize as soon as it happens. Somebody needs to make that decision for you.
This is from my experience and is my opinion. Take it for what It’s worth.
by yamahawarrior89 on Dec 22, 2011 12:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
samething happened no my buddy in highschool but he wanted to ball so no one told him no....
but he was qb and we were in the playoffs and he rips like a nasty 70yd td run hurdled a guy and it was a great run… doesnt even remember doing it. We all got together after the game to watch the highlights on the news and it shows his highlight reel run and he was just shocked that the guy in the video was him he had no recollection
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
They said we were a one trick pony, talkin bout CALVIN. Well thats one hell of a TRICK!!!! - Nate B.
I have had my bell rung more than once
and my symptoms are similar.
There is no way a concussed player should be making the decision for himself. I took a nasty fall playing BB once and honestly do not remember anything about the fall or the game after. My friends on the team told me I appeared to be a little wobbly at the time and described the fall to me. They even told me how insistent I was that I could continue to play. which I did.
If high school kids are so competitive that they can’t be trusted to take themselves out of a game. What makes anyone think NFL players are any different?
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Geez'o'petes....
I have a solution… Have all the players’ mommies sign the permission slip…. or wives, along with the player.
Bottom line is… If you play football, chances are you’re going to get a concussion.
If you work as a drywaller… chances are, you’re going to have back problems.
If you work as a tailor… chances are you’re going to get arthritis.
SHEESH! I understand protecting the players. I understand controlling “hit zones” against players. HELL, I even understand the “defensless player” rules.
But concussions are so variable from player to player, hit to hit… that fining teams for “HINDSIGHT” medical decisions just does not seem right.
http://twitter.com/#!/rumbulls
And by "HINDSIGHT"...
I’m talking the player was worse off than appeared at game time.
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I agree 100%
as long as the team attempts to do the right thing.
From the reports and video, it appears they did not even make an attempt. That in my mind is a punishable offense.
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My question to the Browns...?
were you watching the game? does that explain why they’re so terrible?
to not see how he got laid out and even think to ask the questions… the play was replayed over and over again in slo mo during the telecast…
If the NFL is serious then fining the teams and coaches is the quickest way to solve this problem.
As for playing with a concussion, it was bad because the NFL has been stressing this issue but on the other hand, plenty of players have played with them
by BillySimsMadeMeDo on Dec 22, 2011 1:25 PM EST reply actions
but on the other hand, plenty of players have played with them
Hell man, most if not all of us that have played contact sports have probably had at least one in their lives and kept playing.
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Making these kind of wholesale changes is a process, not a quick fix.
It takes situations EXACTLY like this to hone and better define the rules and where to go to create a better remedy. If the Browns followed the current rules, it clearly shows the rules need to adapt to better alleviate future problems. This process needs to continue to adapt and adjust until it gets better and better.
James Harrison’s comments are utterly ridiculous. It seems to me he is basically saying, if I get in trouble, you should too. Its like a kid who gets in trouble then immediately rats out his sibling. Its bologna. It also sounds like he thinks this suspension is due to the severity of the hit rather than a consistent track record of illegal hits. James Harrison is an idiot. I fully expect that he won’t change, nor will he try. I predict that he will continue to get upset that he can’t get away with this shit and will just take his helmet and go home and retire. As a consequence, people will blame the league for his retirement rather than Harrison’s refusal to adjust. Its bullshit and I hope I’m wrong.
James Harrison, you are the weakest link. Goodbye.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Interview with Pat Kirwin… the firs couple minutes talks about how the NFL is/should correct this issue.
Moving the Chains; Tim and Pat’s take…..
http://siriusxmsports.posterous.com/tim-ryan-pat-kirwan-talk-about-concussions-in-34778
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I could only listen to the first one,
but I tend to agree with Pat. If the NFL is truly serious about concussions, there are steps they could take to improve.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Steps are being taken
Adding a concussion agent that is paid by the NFL and not the team to each sideline is a step in the right direction.
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but they're not going to the sidelines
they’re going to the booths. They need to be in the trenches.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Booths? Boothes?
These two utes.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Yeah, two yutes.
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Marissa Tomei!
Any excuse to look at those eyes and that smile…..
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Dammit.
Your pic didn’t work on my comp. I love her. Why won’t she return my calls?
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
how about this one?
Yeah, she is one of those amazing beauties.
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This one I can see.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, its time to take a “union break”
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
yup
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How about a pic from "The Wrestler"?
hehehe great movie. She only wears a thong for most of it!
Happier than a pig in shit that I was wrong about Matthew Stafford since 2009!
Go Lions, Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons!
Slums of Beverly Hills
It's turkey, Lions and Macy's. Any other combination is just ludicrous.
Twitter is for pussies. I follow people in real life.
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." - Charlie McCarthy
Devil something something
Opens with a nice doggy scene. Just sayin’.
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Awesome scene
Even better movie
President of the Eric Wright fan club.
Obligatory statement about being a huge Lions fan.
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DJ Moore is a pussy thug.
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