Lions Notes: Jim Schwartz Focused On Packers, Not Pro Bowl Selections
- Matthew Stafford is once again up for the FedEx Air Player of the Week award.
- Stafford wants to play the entire game on Sunday.
- It turns out that Stafford is the third alternate at quarterback for the NFC in the Pro Bowl. Cam Newton and Tony Romo are ahead of him. To me, that is just as ridiculous as Eli Manning being selected to the team over Stafford.
- Calvin Johnson said he is "looking forward to going back" to the Pro Bowl unless the Lions are still playing, in which case he would be headed to the Super Bowl instead.
- I think Jim Schwartz had the best quote when it came to all of the talk about the Pro Bowl:
"I mean, we’re playing games, we’re not trying to win contests or polls or power ratings, or Miss Congeniality," Schwartz said. "Anything somebody’s voting on or judging really isn’t real high on our radar. We like to play 60 minutes and when there’s a tie-breaker based on how many Pro Bowlers you have, then we’ll worry about that."
- Evan Dietrich-Smith, the Packers player that was stomped on Thanksgiving by Ndamukong Suh, said this week that there are "no hard feelings" and everything is "cool" because Suh apologized a few days after it happened.
- Speaking of Suh, he was at the Pistons' home opener last night.
- Earlier this week the Lions made a change to their practice squad by releasing cornerback Brandon Stephens and signing former Michigan State cornerback Ross Weaver.
- Georgia head coach Mark Richt, whose team is playing Michigan State in the Outback Bowl, said this week that he is "really happy for the city of Detroit" and for Stafford, who he coached in college.
- The Lions/Packers game on Sunday will be announced by Thom Brennaman and Brian Billick. This is the third time in the last four weeks that this crew will announce a Lions game. The one time they didn't was last Saturday when the Lions were on CBS.
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He trashes the team on Fox sports.com
Before the chargers game he had a power ranking page, he literally said the Lions need to find someone to compliment Calvin on the other side, they don’t have anyone else to catch the ball, and that Grew drops too many. Meanwhile, Burleson and Grew have as many catches as Greg Jennings, or more, on the season, and the third guy has over 40. Over 3000 yards in passing to guys not named Calvin, and that was his critique. Brennaman just plain hates the Lions, I’ve ripped them both more than once on Twitter and with email. Neither are man enough to respond. Haters.
Brennaman is scared of animals.
Cubs, Lions, everything trips his trigger. Wonder what happened to him as a kid.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Dec 29, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Can't Stand Him
His emotional ramblings are an annoyance.
He does break the game down… but my god, he needs to shut up and turn the volume down.
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Romo?
Really?
Screw the Pro Bowl, screw Romo, screw the gd cowgirls.
I hope we play them now, I wanna hand Romo his ass at home yet again.
Seriously, Romo selected before Staff? I feel dirty and need a shower, this is just wrong.
by GrumpyOldMan on Dec 29, 2011 10:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Pro Bowl
Is a joke
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by Detroitnr1 on Dec 29, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe Stafford didn't make it over Eli/Cam/Romo
But I think Romo should be 1st alternate over Eli and Cam. His QB rating is much higher and has given up less turnovers. Eli to me should be 3rd alternate, I still can’t believe he made it lol.
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by Reno09 on Dec 29, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How great would it be for Stafford to hit 40 TD's
"You simply cannot escape it. It's everywhere. There is a feeling the likes of which we haven't seen in decades. Emotions are high. Morale is climbing. People, once again, have something to talk about other than how disastrous our financial situation is and the collapsing of modern society." - Yahoo sports blogger.
Schwartz has it right. The Pro Bowl's just an annual amusement.
..nobody really takes it seriously.
Personally if I was Megatron, I’d give a statement during the Playoffs indicating he won’t even show up to play in such a trivial and arbitrary game.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
Sorry man, but F-That
If I was CJ, I’d be like, sorry bout you not getting in bro, but I got a free trip to Hawaii and a some bonus money coming to me. I’ll be going now.
Hell yeah
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by joshsun on Dec 29, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know about you man
I love a prime rib dinner. and I love a free prime rib dinner even more!
lol
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you saying Calvin did not earn it?
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but he did not break out his credit card to pay for it
I think we both agree here, just saying it differently.
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Just pointing out the difference between
a reward(achievement) vs free.
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yup
and I was having fun with an old saying.
Its all good.
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Fuck a Pro Bowl trip.
Dude’s already been there and has enough money to visit any day.
Shit is so corny.
That goddamn Okra and beans got you Oprah in jeans. Seems to me a little lean cuisine, wouldn't hurt much- Agh don't touch! -Obie Trice
I wouldn't go either.
Didn’t some of the redwings get suspended last year. Zetterberg I’m pretty sure those guys always skip the all star game.
Come on guys, Eli, Romo, and Cam all had great years at the QB position too.
No shame in arbitrarily being placed just behind them.
Now if Alex Smith was picked ahead of him I think I would puke.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
+1
Staff impressed this year and people are still in the process of taking notice to the new Detroit Lions. Let’s face it…if we wanted the pro bowlers and fame this year, we had to beat SF and have season they put together…though I’m not disappointed in our season by any stretch. Just saying it takes time for people to notice. By this time next year, we’ll have at least 6 starting PBers I’m sure.
If we beat San Fran in Week 6
we would have the season they had…the only difference being they’d still win their division and we’d still be behind Green Bay. That one win wouldn’t have made a difference in this case.
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by The Boourns on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don't agree
I’m sorry, I just don’t. I’ve already expressed my dismissal of the Pro Bowl rosters, but as far as saying Romo, Eli having better years than Stafford? No sir. Cam has been exceptional and I could almost see him going in over Stafford, but never as a full-fledged QB. At the same time, around this time last year, folks were dogging the shit outta Matt. “He’s injury prone” “He’s horrible.” “Another wasted 1st Round pick”, yet we’ve watched more games of Romo and Eli pretty much GIVE away games to their opponents week in, week out. Check the stats. In damn near every category, he’s better than all three of those jack rabbits. The same dude that hasn’t played a full freakin’ season threw 33 TDs. 33. And only half of them went to Calvin.
I love you guys, I love the Lions, and I love the game…but I’ll never say that those three QBs had a better season than Stafford. Never.
SAS broke it down real good on First Take yesterday
Fact is, no one even expected the Giants to be where they are right now, and that was before their secondary got obliterated. Eli and JPP put that team on their backs and slogged through the one of the hardest post-bye schedules we’ve ever seen in pro football. They didn’t have no crazy ridiculous 5-0 start either to fall back on either. It wasn’t always pretty, but you gotta give props to the man.
The Lions earned that 5-0 start
I have no issue with JPP being in the PB. He is elite and deserves it.
As for Eli, 10-5 compared to 8-7.
The stats between the two are so comparable, how wins does not come into it is silly to me.
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Exactly!!!
He said people didn’t think NYG would do shit since their CBs are down??? Because everyone thought lions were so much better than the giants at beginning of the season I don’t believe that for a second. I haven’t directly checked the stats but isn’t the giants oline better than ours?
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by Gyorick on Dec 29, 2011 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Like we have not had injuries in our secondary?
Not that Delmas being injured is any sort of surprise but yeah….
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Damn straight
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by Lionking4420 on Dec 29, 2011 3:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought these were supposed to be individual awards, not team awards ....
You could be on a crap team, but if you have an outstanding season that is better than others at that position, you should be in. Period.
I’ll admit that the QBs are also likely to be judged somewhat by team success, as they are often the team’s leader, but that should play a small part if any.
When you look at the statistics AND team success (team win/loss record and playoffs) AND turning around a team that has floundered for years, Stafford is more deserving than Manning, Romo and Newton.
If you use the argument that he didn’t win the “big” games, you could also tar Romo and Manning with that brush, as they also had troubling losses against teams they should have beat handily. And of course the Panthers won few enough games that if you are judging by team success, Cam shouldn’t be in this conversation.
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I will officially protest watching the probowl more than usual.
I always thought it was garbage but that is straight horseshit. They may as well spit in staff’s face.How can you place romo or eli in front of him, he’s going to the play off’s “for sure”. One of those two will not be making it to the play-off’s. Dallas because of romo’s awful play, he single handedly lost them several games.
yeah...the fact that those guys are ahead of him and have put up less wins on teams with better running games and more established defenses
is ridiculous.
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by The Boourns on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
That's It I'm done with bleacher report.
I read articles from alot of different sources about our lions. But they consistently publish shit articles that are poorly written and lack any credibility. Example: article today about emotional lions will be let down in the playoffs because if the momentum swings away from them they won’t recover because of their emotions……. So four comebacks in the regular season don’t count for anything? They also claimed staffords inconsistent and threw too many picks as proof of inconsistency…… 14 total ints 9 of which came while throwing with a broken finger.Inconsistent? 36 tds,4500+yards with another game to go. What dumbass would post that he’s inconsistent.
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM EST reply actions
I have not read the article
but in relation to the two elite QBs he is going to have to beat if he wants to take his team to the Super Bowl, he has been less consistent. So, I guess if the article was suggesting in relation to Brees and Rodgers (his potential playoff competition) than i could agree with that.
Hell, it does not take a genius to look back at the season and see all those slow starts Stafford had and think. If we have one of those against a playoff team, we are probably toast.
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Slow starts that still led to 10-5 or 11-5.
Not to mention this is staffs first full season to get in a rhythm with his wr’s.
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding, is that really what happened? Is that how we got there?
Wow, I would never have known.
Oh, wait. Everyone knows that and does not care. Does he get one “Mulligan” game because of that stuff? Nope
Bottom line, he has NOT been as consistent as the 2 elite QBs he is most likely going to have to beat if he wants to make it to the SB.
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Hey, no one is suggesting that Stafford is elite.
Joshsun, you keep ragging on him because he is not Rodgers, Brees or Brady. Give it a rest. If you did not see the Patriot vs Miami game, Brady got off to a horrific start too. Brees has had some off games this year too [loss to the Bucs] so dumping on Stafford because he is not perfect shows a lack of knowledge about NFL football.
Finally, when we do play those two guys, season long consistency will not matter at all. It will just be about how you play in that game. Period.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
If you did not see the Patriot vs Miami game, Brady got off to a horrific start too.
One bad start all season? I can live with that.
Brees has had some off games this year too [loss to the Bucs]
Again, one bad game all season. I can live with that.
so dumping on Stafford because he is not perfect shows a lack of knowledge about NFL football.
As for dumping on Stafford, where the hell did you get that? How about you quote something I said, in this post, that was dumping on him. Please.
I am still waiting…..
Waiting…..
Yeah, It is not there. I said he has not been as consistent as the two elite QBs he will have to face and beat if he wants to go to the Superbowl. That is reality. Does that mean he has sucked up the whole season? Hell no. It means he has not been as good or consistent as these two QBs. If you take that as insulting him, that is your own lack of ability to compare players objectively. HomerVision (tm :P) anyone?!?!?
Now, does that guarantee that he will start a playoff game terribly and cost us a win? Nope. does it guarantee he is not going to start a playoff game slow and cost us a win? Nope. Does it suggest that he is more likely than those two guys to start slow? Yeah, it actually does make it more likely.
Measuring a player against two of the best players at his position and finding him lacking is is not dumping on the guy.
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I'd say he had a pretty damn good season...
that ranked up there with the elite QB’s of the league.
….in his first complete season.
There’s a blip onthe “ELITE QB RADAR”…. and his name is Stafford.
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huge surprise you would say that
I could agree with him being a blip on the elite radar. Nothing more than a blip but he is still extremely young. Lots of time to increase his “radar signature”.
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You keep saying that Stafford has to beat those other QBs.
Not really. He has to play as well as he can against the defences of the Packers and Saints. This is not a match up of Stafford vs Rodgers or Stafford vs Brees.
Bottom line, he has NOT been as consistent as the 2 elite QBs he is most likely going to have to beat if he wants to make it to the SB.
but in relation to the two elite QBs he is going to have to beat if he wants to take his team to the Super Bowl,
You and the talking heads like to put it that way, but it is really never one against one. Yes, the Lions need Stafford to play at a high level, but there will be even more pressure on the defence when we play against the Packers and Saints in the playoffs.
"I’m sorry for all the people who want us to run the ball 40 times a game, but we’re going to put the ball in No. 9’s hands and he’s going to make plays for us like he did today," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. Amen to that Jim!
and more pressure on him to keep pace with those two teams
their elite QBs with their powerful scoring offenses.
I am not dogging on him here. He really does look to be a special QB but I am not convinced he is going to be able to keep pace with the big dogs of the NFC yet.
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Marino has to be the most
Over rated QB in the history of the sport in your mind.
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not even close
The man had the record for most passing yards in a season for 27 years! That is amazing. His skill set was so far ahead of his time it took almost three decades to catch up with him.
He would have fit in with this time’s QBs and been elite and possibly the MVP.
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No ring.
Never got his team to the Super bowl after his rookie season….
So-so winning percentage….
Using your argument… If Miami ever had a decent running game, his #‘s wouldn’t be so prolific.
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I do not remember the specifics of those miami teams
So I can’t really speak to their running games back then and looking up stats never tells the entire story.
I do know people commonly say he never had a real running game. Such a damn shame for a player of his skill and quality.
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I'm not really a Marino fan...
He earned points by being in Ace ventura… but besides that, I believe he never wanted a running game…. or at least skewed the Offensive game plan towards him.
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It really is no different than the prolific
passing games we see today.
He just did it almost 30 years ago.
I would much rather have 1500-2000 yards on the ground to add to any offense.
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You never did show me where I was dumping on Stafford.
yeah…..
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I'm waiting to see...
in “Inconsistencies”.
I see stafford as pretty consistent.
In 9 of the 10 wins this year, Stafford has had a QB rating of over 105.(dallas being the exception)
In the 5 losses(all to playoff teams (yes, Chicago with Cutler and forte))… Stafford has been consistently under 100… actually, 97.7 has been his best(vs Saints).
So I understand and agree your point about about Stafford needing to “beat” these types of teams to become “elite”. However, inconsistent doesn’t seem to be proper, as he has not yet had an ‘elite’ game against a playoff calabur team.
….(and NO San Diego is not a playoff calabur team…lol)
It is up to Stafford to lead this team to victory… Stats show that HE MUST play at an elite level (105 or above) for this team to be successful in the playoffs.
Its game time Stafford, time to become a Lion. (metaphorically speaking, not change into a lion… though that would be saaaweeeet).
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Inconsistent
All those damned slow starts. Over thrown balls. happy feet in the pocket. Over and over. Are people actually starting to gloss over the way he played this season? I know it was a great first full season but he has a very long way to go and a very high ceiling.
Beyond frustrating, resulting in double digit deficits a little too often.
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Gloss over?
Not really… As shown above, Stafford has been consistently good against non-playoff calibur teams…. and consistently mediocre against Superbowl contenders.
Nitpicking this pass or that pass without knowing what route, what responsibility, or the details is pretty impressive in itself.
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He has started numberous games this season
colder than a virgin nun’s teet.
That is the inconsistency I am talking about. That will kill a team in the playoffs. Ironically, the competition he struggled with the most this season are the same teams he is going to face in the playoffs.
So, my statement of him being too inconsistent does not look too crazy to me.
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Never said crazy. ;)
anyhoo… I hope he’s been watching tape of his inefficiencies during those games… and what proper adjustments need to be made.
Perennial playoff teams like the ones he will face… have a whole new scheme for the post season.
Here’s to Schwartz and company doing the same thing… tossing their regular season schemes and putting the pedal to the metal.
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I know you didn't say crazy
others did in different ways.
for what it is worth, starting out as hot as he did against the bolts was refreshing and a nice sign late in the season.
Lets hope he can keep pace in this next game.
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Furthermore...
I’d equate the Slow starts on the Running game… not the passing game….
Not sure the QB has too much influence on the 1st quarter gameplan.
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you really are glossing over
You have forgotten the games he started so cold, over throws, happy feet ect.
Selective memory is fun. Until reality kicks in.
Just go back to the game threads, the comments of him starting out cold are far too common.
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Sure...
Run twice, throw on 3rd and long.
Of course its going to be cold. I’m not discounting those starts, just pointing to other obvious reasons to why it collectively happened.
The San Diego game should be a model for games to come…. go to the throat early and keep a clamp on it throughout
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It is about damn time
we went deep on the first play of the game.
That would be my plan ever week, no matter the coverage. Calvin is that much of a freak, he can make it work if the ball is thrown in his general direction. Even if the throw is incomplete, you put the other team on notice, we will go deep. If it is intercepted, it is like a punt anyhow and it still tells the other team, we are going deep.
Back those safeties off. Force the LBs to play 2 steps deeper.
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He also played through injuries
and growing pains on the field, if he had even one full season under his belt that criticism might be valid.
Injuries?
Really?
Like every other player on the field, every week of every game.
Is it the fault of anyone else in the world that this is his first complete season? Does anyone else care?
Bunch of thin skinners around here. One word of criticism, even if it is made in reference to the two best QBs in the game, and people around here bust a nut.
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You're a huge douche, we all know
Also, smart guy, if Stafford hits the 4800 mark he will be only the 6th QB in history to do that, and if he hits 38 TDs he’ll be the 8th guy to do that
Eli Mannings best season before this one? 4000 yards, 31 touchdowns. I could go on with Hall Of Famers next.
Elite territory, first full season, with a broken finger for 4 games. Continue with your nonsense.
The fact that there are 2 QBs right now that have passed that mark (with one game left)
and 3 more with a chance says nothing to you right?
One QB has already passed and another is on pace to break Marino’s 27 year old single season passing yard record for a season. That’s right, two QBs are going to both break a 27 year old passing record in the same season. Correction, the record is going to be crushed!
Sorry, passing records from the past are becoming more and more irrelevant as teams throw the ball more and more.
So no, I am not impressed.
BTW, I absolutely guarantee you. If the team had it their way, he would not have anywhere near these numbers but a complete break down in our running game forced their hand and bloated his numbers.
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I'm pretty sure they'd keep his numbers right where they are and have a running game.
Hell with a running game his numbers could be better! Respect the run and theirs less coverage on our receivers.
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 29, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Do you watch football?
There is a finite number of snaps. If our running game was better, it would take snaps away from the passing game.
How many times this year have we dropped back to pass and you wished we had run?
I have gone entire game threads screaming Run Damn It Run! We do not have the tools to do it properly yet but we will eventually (I hope).
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Yeah as a matter of fact I've watched a game or two and
Only a few times have I wanted them to run it when they are actually throwing it. On the other hand I’ve been screaming all year long when they’re running it when they should be passing it. You know why? 4500 yards and 36 tds. That’s why! I’d rather stafford throws it than have Barry fucking sanders try to run with our oline making holes the way they don’t.
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 29, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
lmfao
I’d rather stafford throws it than have Barry fucking sanders try to run with our oline making holes the way they don’t.
wow, I did not expect you to prove my point for me.
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Yes Barry sanders is the greatest running back of all time.
Maybe you can try real hard and understand the illustration of how good stafford is…… No you can’t? I figured as much. But hey all bullshit aside hope Sunday you have whatever it is shoved up your ass removed and the lions fan in you shows up. Cuz the rest of us won’t be rooting for any other qb except this guy named stafford. Maybe you’ve heard of him?
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 29, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
You think Stafford is on the same level as Barry
You have to be smoking some of the best stuff ever, or huffing paint glue, or drinking gasoline or something.
You think Stafford is a lock for the HOF, an MVP award ect? That is wishful thinking at best and delusional at worst. He looks like he could be great but in a nasty league like the NFL, looks can be deceiving.
As for rooting for our team and players. would you like to provide a quote or two of me picking another team over my Lions?
You have been inflammatory and insulting in your comments in this thread and then call me a troll?
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Haha dude your fucking great.
You either love twisting people’s words to make the argument worse or your not very smart. As for providing a quote of yours, I would like to quote ANY OF YOUR POSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE LIONS TODAY! Oh right you haven’t posted ANY! Theirs a reason why you’ve been all alone posting about how good stafford ISN’T compared to other qbs.
Matt millen:He puts the oron in moron and the upid in dumb.
by awayfromthepride on Dec 29, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I would like to quote ANY OF YOUR POSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE LIONS TODAY! Oh right you haven’t posted ANY!
yesterday, in this same thread. Talking about the Lions, Stafford ect.
The Lions earned that 5-0 start
I have no issue with JPP being in the PB. He is elite and deserves it.
As for Eli, 10-5 compared to 8-7.
The stats between the two are so comparable, how wins does not come into it is silly to me.
by joshsun on Dec 29, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Check the time stamp, long before you started talking about me never saying good things about the team or Stafford.
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Really that's your evidence of supporting the lions all day yesterday?
Referencing support of players from a different team and saying Eli’s comparable to staff? The only positive thing in their was they earned a 5-0 start. Throw in:
“Hell, it does not take a genius to look back at the season and see all those slow starts Stafford had and think. If we have one of those against a playoff team, we are probably toast.” And you wonder why we defend him so much.
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 30, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ummm yeah
Eli is a SB winning QB. Saying Staff is on par with him and having more wins is saying a lot.
People might not remember it but Eli was a beast that season he won the SB and he is still one hell of a QB now.
Why would I expect you to recognize that. The NFL world obviously revolves around THE DETROIT LIONS for you. I know when you read the teams name you heard it in a bold deep baritone announcer voice.
"Hell, it does not take a genius to look back at the season and see all those slow starts Stafford had and think. If we have one of those against a playoff team, we are probably toast."
Do you remember all those slow starts? I do.
Do you think we can afford to have a slow start against the competition we will face in the playoffs and survive? I do not.
OMGZ! I must hate the Lions. LMFAO, are you serious? You compared Stafford to Saint Barry. I should have known at that very moment you are clueless.
Records Saint Barry held at the time of his retirement. Most if not all are still his.
[1st] Most Consecutive Seasons 1,000 or More Yards Rushing – 10
[1st] Most Games 100 or More Rushing Yards, Season – 14 (1997)
[1st] Most Consecutive Games 100 or More Rushing Yards, Season – 14 (1997)
[Tied for 1st] Most Seasons 1,000 or More Yards Rushing – 10
[2nd] Most Rushing Attempts, Career – 3,062
[2nd] Most Rushing Yards, Career – 15,269
[2nd] Most Rushing Yards, Season – 2,053 (1997)
[2nd] Most Game 100 or More Rushing Yards, Career – 76
[2nd] Most Combined Net Yards, Career – 18,308
[Tied for 2nd] Most Seasons Leading League in Rushing – 4 (1990, 1994, 1996, 1997)
[Tied for 2nd] Most Games 200 or More Rushing Yards, Career – 4
[3rd] Most Combined Net Yards Attempts, Career – 3,432
[Tied for 3rd] Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League in Rushing – 2 (1996-1997)
[Tied for 3rd] Most Games 200 or More Rushing Yards, Season – 2 (1997)
[Tied for 3rd] Most Rushing Touchdowns, Rookie Season – 14 (1989)
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Stafford has ten more tds 2 fewer picks a higher completion percentage on more attempts with a higher qb rating!
What am I smoking? What the fuck are you smoking?
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 30, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Eli has
less attempts per game and still has more yards total
Almost a full yard more per pass on average
A higher first down per pass %
more 20+ yard throws
Like I said, the stats are almost identical. One leads in some areas, another leads in other areas.
One has won 10 games while the other won 8. With the stats so similar, I think games won would be the tie breaker. Stafford has been better this year. But not by much. I said this exact same thing earlier in this very thread.
BTW, QB rating has always been a joke. QBR, while far from perfect, is a better representation of a QBs effect on a game. Stafford and Eli are less than a point apart in QBR for the season.
Like I said, every stat says they are almost identical except wins and loses and those can be related to Stafford having more TDs and less INTs.
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Joshsun you must be having a bad day.Lets just chill out and have decent debate:
You mention stafford being consiste t enough to beat breed Brady and Rodgers. We rank 4th in the league in average points scored. Staffs numbers as pointed out are among the elite. This guys on fire right now and I think the pro bowl snub will only feed him and the team to greater gameplay as if to say: pass me up for the pro bowl? Watch as I torch your ass!
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 29, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he uses this as fuel for the fire
I completely agree, he got snubbed.
That changes nothing, Rodgers and Brees have been more consistent and better players this season. Anyone here saying different needs to share what they are smoking.
it does not surprise me at all that he is not getting the recognition that a 4800 yard year would normally garner because 4800 yards is not the same landmark it used to be. Not even close. Brees is probably going to end up with 600 plus more yards than that.
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Who are you comparing him to? Brees. Brady. Rodgers. Super bowl winners. Know what else?
Staffords right behind them in the qb rating polls. Brees may have 600 more yards passing but only 5 more tds. Same amount of ints. Rodgers is lights out With 45 tds but only has 100 more yards passing. Brady Has more yardage but same amount of tds and a couple fewer ints. They’ve played healthy all year long. Stafford had a broken finger on his throwing hand, is 23 and on fire! I’ll take stafford thank you very much!
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 29, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
There you go again
making excuses. No one cares if he had a broken finger.
Did I say I did not want him on my team? Because you are reacting to me like I said that. How about you quote where I said that.
I will be here waiting…….
people can love a player and at the same time realize there are others in the league that are clearly better than he is. It is called being objective. Something you are clearly unable to do.
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It's not an excuse! I'm being OBJECTIVE when I say:
Staffords has had an elite year IN SPITE of an injury.i don’t have to quote you saying anything about stafford. Reading all your posts you think he isn’t an elite qb when alot of other people obviously do. I haven’t heard you say one positive thing about stafford or the lions! We all know brees/Brady/Rodgers are better RIGHT NOW. But their not THAT MUCH. Better. This is a lions fans blog and all day you’ve sounded like a fuckin troll.
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Staffords has had an elite year IN SPITE of an injury.
Everyone gets hurt.
I haven’t heard you say one positive thing about stafford or the lions!
In this very thread. Talking about the Lions and Stafford.
The Lions earned that 5-0 start
As for Eli, 10-5 compared to 8-7.The stats between the two are so comparable, how wins does not come into it is silly to me.
Perhaps if you could see past your homerism
This is a lions fans blog and all day you’ve sounded like a fuckin troll.
I said Stafford is not elite and is not on the same level as 2 of the top 4 or 5 QBs in the league. That is not trolling. That is trying to be objective. If you disagree, I have no problem with that. Perhaps you should try that approach because you are NOT going to change my mind.
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Out of curiosity
If you had to rate all of the starting QBs in the league right now, where would Stafford land on that list?
I’m not trying to troll you, I’m just trying to be clear on something.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Manning (the good one)
I am sure there are a couple others but those come to mind right off the bat.
That is a damn nice list to be second too.
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I agree, I put him fourth or fifth on the list, depending if you count Payton
He’s not in the top tier yet, but he’s the head of the “B” class at 23, which gives him time to jump up into that “A” class.
Is that roughly what you’re saying? I think Awayfromthepride thinks you’re saying he’s a “B” and can never be an “A”.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 30, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Away thinks he is an A (elite)
and anyone who thinks differently is “a fucking troll” or a stafford hater or (get this) does not realize that Stafford is greater than Barry Sanders.
BTW, I think there are other QBs that could be debated as better than Stafford right now. The ones I mentioned are just off the top of my head that are clearly better right now. Not a bad class of players to be behind.
There is no doubt in my mind that he is a B right now and has all the potential to become an A someday. If he can clean up a few of his Quirky faults and survive the treacherous gauntlet of the NFL.
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Staffords a b huh?
How many teams would trade their qb for him? How many wouldn’t? You are a fucking troll simply because you won’t say: hey I love my lions. I love where they are right now and where they are heading. Our qb is the future of our team and is having a great year!
And anyone who wouldn’t trade Barry sanders for the lions we have right now doesn’t know football. . We had Barry’s lions and you know what? They didn’t get anywhere.
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 30, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Stafford is clearly a B
If you want to give our QB an A for a season when his record against NFC playoff teams is 0-4 or 1-4, that is on you man.
I tend to think that the best players and teams should beat the other best players and teams. Silly me.
He is a solid B
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Yes silly you for thinking it means your doomed if your 10-5 in the playoffs where it's any given Sunday but 0-4 against those teams in the playoffs.
I give stafford an a for a winning season. An a for getting this team into the playoffs. An a for breaking lions td and passing records in the same season and an a for restoring this team and it’s fans.
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 30, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
good for you
Where did I say we are doomed?
I would like to see that statement of mine quoted.
I will be here waiting…….
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Stafford is quite clearly a B
He’s a high B, but he’s still a B. The fact that he’s a B at 23 years old and less than two full seasons played says a lot. It says he has a very high percent chance of becoming an A.
If I was told I had to win a game tomorrow, not next year or the year after, but tomorrow, there are three, four or maybe five quarterbacks I would rather have than Stafford. That’s why standing here today, he’s a B.
However, if I was building a team to contend in the future, to have as my franchise guy from now for the next decade plus, there’s only one guy I’d rather have, and that’s Rodgers. All the other “A” QBs are over 30.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 30, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
yup
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I just completely trashed the poor writing over there, told him to head back to college. He portrayed the entire team as weak minded and he says Stafford will fall apart if the crowd is mean on the road. You can’t make this shit up.
I think someone needs to take a deep breath and get a grip.
I’m not going to comment on the article because we all know Bleacher Report stories are amateurish.
But really, guy — you’d ask the writer to “step outside” because of a disagreement over football? A bit of an overreaction, in my opinion.
No slogans. Just win!!!
I like fucking with people, its a comment on the internet to make a point
Sorry if it disturbs you. I’m sick of seeing the players on this team trashed for 3 months straight, and I just don’t care anymore. He literally said Matthew Stafford will break down mentally if the opposing crowd is mean to him and completely discounted his season. That deserves some over the top BS in return.
by LionsD on Dec 29, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
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by awayfromthepride on Dec 29, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
3rd alternate?!? wow
Who actually decides on the order of the alternates, is it the coaches and players? In any case the game is arbitrary. I’m just glad we have the playoffs to worry about this year and not the draft or other things.
I'm just glad to be talking Lions and Superbowl in the same breath!
by LionGuy016 on Dec 29, 2011 2:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
that's a big breath
lots of football left to be played before we are ready to talk SB
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by detroit_fan on Dec 29, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is a big breath...
But usually at this time, we’re all talking about our top 10 pick in next year’s draft…
Instead we have top 10 TALENT at a few positions and we’re talking playoffs and yes, even super bowl. A welcome refreshment after 12 years of ineptitude.
by LionGuy016 on Dec 29, 2011 5:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I see we are all still a little bitter about the probowl snub
In the Detroit News article I read today, Bob Wojinowski (not sure how to spell his last name) wrote about how he believes this could very well end up being a good thing for a team like the Lions with so much to prove. Its like adding fuel to the fire for a team that’s getting hot at the right time. I have to agree with him.
I said this all along, I’ve always believed in Stafford ever since his final college game against Michigan State where he played poorly in the first half, but came out throwing lasers in the second and won the game for the Bulldogs. I wanted him then, we got him in the draft, and knew Mayhew and Schwartz would be the guys to get us to the superbowl.
The probowl snub? Ehh, its really not a big deal. Sure, I’m upset that Staff didn’t get in, but I know how good he is and so do all of you. He himself knows how good he is so what does a probowl berth mean in the grand scheme of things? Absolutely nothing.
So, as we head into the playoffs for the first time since 99’, we as Lions fans can finally be proud of not only the team and its future, but our young quarterback in Matthew Stafford. No probowl or popularity contest will change how we fans or the players feel about Stafford, but I’m sure if he gets the Lions to the Superbowl this year it would make next season’s aspirations that much better. Go Lions and here’s to our team for making us proud!
From 0-16 to the Superbowl baby!
by DLions4Eva on Dec 29, 2011 2:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Well said
I’d actually forgotten the Pro Bowl was still on TV. I don’t think I’ve actually watched a complete one in 20 years- too many good hockey games on that weekend.
Lions, Huskers, & Wings
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yup
too many good hockey games on that weekend.
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I love reading posts that are 50% joshsun comments.
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