On Paper: Detroit Lions At Green Bay Packers
It's the final game of the regular season, but the Detroit Lions find themselves in a completely unfamiliar spot. Instead of having little motivation to win because they are already out of the playoff race, they have little motivation to win because they already have the playoffs wrapped up. Now I know the difference between a win and a loss could mean facing New Orleans versus facing Dallas, but if the Lions are going to make a playoff run, they're going to have to go against good teams eventually. No matter what happens, the game being played next week will be more important than the game this week.
The Lions are getting healthier but will have to face some tough decisions. Should they give some players an extra week of rest, or fight for that five seed. The Packers, on the other hand, have nothing to play for. They already have the one seed wrapped up and will likely rest a good amount of starters at some point in the game. I figure most starters will get some playing time, just to stay fresh (especially considering they will have next week off), but I don't expect to see much of Aaron Rodgers and the gang past the first half. Vegas appears to have the same sentiment, as the Lions actually enter Lambeau as a 3.5-point favorite. Here's where the teams stand statistically:
Lions Pass Offense (5th) vs. Packers Pass Defense (31st)Matthew Stafford has been electric lately, putting up passer ratings of above 95 in the past four weeks. His play has bumped the Lions into the top five in both passing yards and passer rating. It is becoming obvious that the Lions have an elite passing attack.
A lot has been made of the Packers' struggling pass defense and this chart seems to corroborate that theory. But looking at the passer rating allowed tells a somewhat different story. They have held nine of 15 opponents at or below their average passer rating. In fact, if you go by passer rating allowed, the Packers actually have the eighth-ranked passing defense. The Packers are very opportunistic on defense, having caused 29 interceptions (eight more than any other team). But most teams have been able to move the ball more than effectively against the Packers. Despite the fact that Stafford was intercepted three times in the previous matchup, the Lions have a clear advantage here. Lions +2.5.
Lions Run Offense (29th) vs. Packers Run Defense (16th)
The Lions running game has been very limited in the past few weeks. This is partially due to a small amount of carries by the Lions, but if you look at their YPC average, it hasn't been good regardless. Now, the Lions offense can be very effective without a running game. They effectively use wide-receiver screens and short passes to tight ends to serve the same purpose as a running game. However, it's always more risky to throw the ball, especially late in the game when the Lions are trying to run clock.
The Packers are an average run defense by almost every measure. They've held eight of 15 opponents below yardage averages, and eight opponents surpassed their season YPC average against the Packers. They are 16th in the league in yards per game allowed and 26th in yards per carry allowed.
There are too many factors involved to award an advantage in this matchup. The Lions aren't likely to devote a lot of snaps to the run game, and we have no idea what string defense the Packers are going to play for the majority of the game. Draw.
Packers Pass Offense (3rd) vs. Lions Pass Defense (14th)
Wow. Still perfect. Even in his "bad" game against the Chiefs, Aaron Rodgers managed to gain more yards than the Chiefs typically allow and he met the Chiefs' passer rating allowed average. Rodgers is going to win the MVP this year and rightfully so. His season passer rating of 122.5 is unreal. His 45-6 touchdown to interception ratio is phenomenal.
BUT, the Lions aren't likely to face Rodgers for a full four quarters. Backup Matt Flynn is young and fairly untested, but not horrible. In his short career, he has completed 58% of his passes with three touchdowns and four interceptions, for a 68.1 passer rating.
The Lions pass defense looks awfully similar to the Packers. They have been giving up a lot of yards, but have been very good at holding teams below their passer rating averages. The Lions are similarly opportunistic with 20 interceptions forced (fourth most).
It's hard to award an advantage, again, not knowing how much first string we will see from either team, but I think it's safe to say the Packers still hold an advantage, just not as big as it usually would be. Packers +1.5.
Packers Run Offense (27th) vs. Lions Run Defense (26th)
The Packers run offense doesn't look too threatening on paper. They've only exceeded defensive averages twice in terms of yardage and five times by yards per carry. But, as we've all seen, this hasn't slowed down the Packers offense at all this year. The Packers have scored 13 more points than any other team in the league.
The Lions are pretty average at stopping the run despite their low ranking. They have faced some of the toughest running games in the league and have held several of them below their yardage average. The real concern is the YPC allowed, in which the Lions are tied for last at 5.1 a carry allowed.
However, the Packers don't carry much of a threat on the ground, as they rarely commit a lot of plays to the run. In fact, they have the sixth-least amount of rushes this year. The running game should be a complete non-factor in the outcome of this game. Draw.
Overall
The Lions end up with a +1.0 advantage. The first thing that jumped out at me, after making these charts, was how similar these teams are. Both sport elite offenses that focus heavily on their elite quarterbacks and give little attention to the running game. Both defenses give up plenty of yards through the air, but are opportunistic in forcing turnovers and holding teams to low passer ratings. Both run defenses are average, but show signs of being solid.
The biggest difference this week will be motivation. The Packers have almost no motivation to win, other than keeping their home-streak alive against the Lions, while the Lions have a fair amount of motivation to win. A win could help pave an easier path in the playoffs. Therefore, the streak will finally end this year. Lions 27, Packers 17.
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Even a win won't be a win.
We’ll all hear about how “it doesn’t really count because it was against 2nd stringers”.
No slogans. Just win!!!
Boy,that statement gave me pause...
Nearly spit up my Honolulu Blue KoolAid ;)
We've become so dumb we don't know how dumb we've become. Source Obscure.
Don't sweat the petty stuff & don't pet the sweaty stuff.
by Lionz Fowlweatherfan on Dec 30, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'm SURE the Lions Defense
will be happy to allow Matt Flynn to showcase his amazing talents for the NFL and hope that he secures a fat contract after thoroughly humiliating them. How high are these guys? Flynn will get smashed. Delusional.
Is this the 1st time this year that GB is not Favored to win?
"Lemme Tell you why I have confidence in the long term future of this team... It's #9, That's why I have confidence in the long term future of this Team." - Jim Schwartz
The one thing to consider about season averages for passing, particularly for the Lions is Lambeau weather
We have a dome team that hasn’t had to play in this sort of cold weather this year. It will be interesting to see how much that will affect Stafford and Company. For that reason alone (not even counting the GB defense) I expect us not to put up the numbers we’ve seen over the last four weeks.
Lion fan in the Great Land!
If you think about it.
At best "outdoor teams" play what 1 or 2 games a year in bad weather?
Last time I checked all NFL teams have an indoor practice facility. I just do not buy into this outdoor stuff of teams north of the Mason Dixon line.
"But the point is, finger-pointing is just what sports fans do when something doesn't go right." -- Kurt Mensching
by RealityIsOptionable on Dec 30, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the forecast is for 32 degrees (high) on Sunday, so colder than our dome-sweet-dome
And I heard A-Rod on the radio today talking about how they always practice outdoors, as that gives them an advantage when the weather turns fowl. Hopefully it won’t be an issue for us. If they sit Rogers, I think we will do fine even if we are below our recent “averages”.
Lion fan in the Great Land!
This standard APC question has to be asked. :)
Who is Rogers?
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
The Lions Will Play To Win
Not only has Jim Schwartz mentioned this, but I am about 99.999% confident that he means it, no smoke and mirrors here.
Reason 1) Establishing an organizational mindset. Every game is important, period. All players, coaches, and team members will be expected to give 100% at all times. No exceptions.
By embracing this mentality it achieves two things. First off no one game becomes any more important than another. Which means that the team will eventually play more even keeled and have less emotional ups and downs depending on if they are playing lesser competition, a prime time game, or in a meaningless game at the end of the year. Secondly it prevents the team from playing tight, or getting lost with nerves in big games.
Reason 2) Pedigree. Bill Belichick does not sit players, ever. See reasons above.
Reason 3) This game is far from meaningless. Sorry Sim, I do not buy into the mentality that “sooner or later you have to play a good team”. For one, the later the better. For two you never know what can happen. The Saints were knocked off by the Seahawks last year. Injuries happen week to week too, and there is no guarantee that a team will not be much weaker a game later with a key injury or two.
On top of all of that, the Lions have their pride to play for, to end yet another bad streak and slay another demon. The more of them they get off the slate this year, the more they put that troubled past in the mirror and look forward instead of back.
Reason 4) Momentum. There is a certain ebb and flow to a season that a player gets used to. It is like a biorhythm. You play a certain schedule week in and week out for months on end, any time a player gets injured and comes back they have an adjustment period to get back up to game speed. To take off any time that is not absolutely necessary risks messing with this rhythm and game speed / shape that a player needs to play at top level. If the rest is needed because a guy is banged up then sure, rest him, but if not it can do them more harm than good.
Well that is how I feel about it anyways :) GO LIONS!
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I agree the Lions will play to win...
But mainly because of seeding reasons. They probably don’t want to play N.O.
SUPER BOWL CHAMPS
by Chief Oshkosh on Dec 31, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
See my comment below.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!
my question
what do you with borderline healthy guys like Delmas, Houston, Corey Williams, Kevin Smith, etc? If it were a playoff game, its a no-brainer that all of these guys play. But do you really want to risk re-aggravating an injury just for a bump in seeding?
Not saying the answer is definitively “no”, but I think there’s a little more to this argument than “just play to win”.
Play em all until the game is a blowout I say
Balls to the Wall. We haven’t been in the playoffs in more then a decade. I say we give it our all every game left in this season until we are unlimited.
As far as momentum goes
You guys know the Chargers have only lost three games in December in the last few years? If Detroit wins, that’ll be two years in a row that they’ve ended the year with a four game win streak.
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Now I know the difference between a win and a loss could mean facing New Orleans versus facing Dallas, but if the Lions are going to make a playoff run, they’re going to have to go against good teams eventually.
If your goal is the Super Bowl, then you still have to get past the elite teams, eventually, be it in the first round, or later.
Now, if a team’s ultimate goal is merely to win a playoff game, then, by all means, the quality of the first round opponent is important.
"Perfection is not attainable,
but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
"We're nobody's underdog!"
"We don't play scared!"
After further review,
the Munsters of the Midway still suck!

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